Your Thread – May 8 & 9
May 8, 2008
By popular demand…here it is.
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Thank you, Gatehouse
thank you gatehouse
Are there any 111’s around that area?
juror – don’t understand?
feisty – left a note on last one.
does anyone else here change their minds often about different aspects of the case? just curious cuz i have so many times
On the Psycic side of the FSP site, people kept talking about seeing the number 1… several times. What’s so curious to me about that is that I see triple 1’s all the time…. on my clocks, look up and it just happens to be on 1 minute 11 seconds…etc…
I’m not usually into that type of stuff, too much, but it’s been going on with me several times a week for several months now
I don’t think I change my way of thinking much as far as her being gone. As I said, I could very well believe that he started out by wanting to scare her and dragged her out of that house. Alive. With intentions of showing her how things were going to be and she’d better get used to it. Then, maybe things were seriously wrong. I don’t know.
I have no trouble not believing she just up and left, falling off the face of the earth. Blame that on my perception of what I’ve learned in the media, or my gut feeling. Leaving those two little people on a whim is just not easy for me to comprehend, and I cannot, honestly, say I believe she did. I have no trouble believing, either, that she loved her adopted sons also.
I-55
Route 171 (First Avenue)
(Now, First Avenue certainly can be connected to the number 1)
Harlem Avenue (Route 43)
I firmly believe there are many areas there that could have been used in the course of a crime! 15 miles NORTH of Bolingbrook.
i agree she loved the 4 kids. you can see it. & the only way i can see her leaving would be to get dp (in jail) before he got her(like he did kathleen.) still be awfully damn hard to leave the kids. but if someone said hey we are gonna get ya out & then nail him & then you will lead a happy normal life, no charges will be filed against you i might consider it. but as time goes by i think less of this theory for sure but it still pops in my mind every now & then.
Time for dinner… catch you all later
I admit I don’t go in for the pyschic stuff. But I do rescue pets – 2 cats and a pitbull.
feistygurl, on May 8th, 2008 at 6:40 pm Said:
does anyone else here change their minds often about different aspects of the case? just curious cuz i have so many times
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I have on other cases. NEVER this one. And I’ve always said “under concrete, over new construction”
Glad to heard about your pets, facsmiley.
I’m not a “believer” in the psychic stuff either. I do believe sometimes people can get a premonition about something, something powerful, but not see things that have absolutely no bearing on their lives.
My mother, when we were kids, had just gotten us off to school one morning. She said she laid down on the couch for a few minutes, but then got up to go look out the window. She saw a woman standing outside the window, dressed all in black, looking back at her. She said the woman looked just like her aunt. Turns out, her aunt died, and it was precisely at the time she looked out the window and “saw her.”. Now, that’s weird.
But, that’s as far as my psychic beliefs go.
I’ve had too many situations in my life for me to not believe in “psychic” phenomonal events. I don’t believe in tarot cards, palm reading, etc…but I do believe sometimes people may have the ability to have situations in their lives that “someone” from beyond, or above, has communicated with them in some means that mentally one can grasp the thought..or psyche. I was told years ago…if someone advertises and charges you for a psychic reading…they’re not true psychics. Those that have the ability, do not charge. I’ve kind of stuck with that belief, too.
rescueapet, on May 8th, 2008 at 7:30 pm Said:
I’m not a “believer” in the psychic stuff either. I do believe sometimes people can get a premonition about something, something powerful, but not see things that have absolutely no bearing on their lives.
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Ok, don’t laugh. I used to sleep with the radio on all night long on soothing music sounds…not talk radio or pop music, etc…sort of like calming “indian sounds” as it really helped me to fall asleep. One morning I woke up and I remember calling my mother in law on the phone and telling her that “last night as I was listening to my radio, the broadcast was interupted to state that Andy Gibb had passed away by a stomach ailment” She and I thought…how sad. He is so young. Anyhow…I went to work and mentioned it…keep in mind, it was not when Andy Gibb was prime in his career or anything. Anyhow…nobody had ever heard of this news broadcast. It was not until one full week later it was all over the news. Andy Gibb had passed away the night before. Exactly one week AFTER I “heard it”. Anyhow…I have had this happen many times with different types of scenario’s. Too weird. (I also knew the exact moment that my brother was attempting suicide by a drug overdose. There was no forewarnings and no reason to ever suspect he would do something like that. Luckily, he was found and was unconcsious and survived. )
facsmiley, on May 8th, 2008 at 7:19 pm Said:
I admit I don’t go in for the pyschic stuff. But I do rescue pets – 2 cats and a pitbull.
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Last night on the news, a man lifted the lid on his and there was a pit bull jammed in his engine.! The poor dog had eaten all his wiring too. He took a pic of it. Beautiful dog…even if it is a pit bull. Here’s the link:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/07/dnt.pitbull.stuck.in.engine.kcra
feistygurl, on May 8th, 2008 at 6:40 pm Said:
does anyone else here change their minds often about different aspects of the case? just curious cuz i have so many times
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I sure have.
I really wanted her to be “hiding out” until Drew was arrested for Kathleen’s murder.
As more time passes, I don’t think it’s possible that she’s alive because *someone* would know where she was. Someone said she’d “run away with Tom Morphey” but since we don’t know where he is, maybe they are in the same place. Who knows …
And I don’t think that the ISP and FBI would allow all the searches and fundraising to continue if she was alive. IMO
lavandadolce – I don’t dare laugh. It seems like you had the same kind of “reception” my mom did, but yours is unique, I guess, because Gibb had no association or meaning in your life. At least, I assume not. So, getting a premonition like this isn’t that far fetched.
I just have a hard time getting convinced about the many psychics out there that talk to “dead people,” and it seems like they’re cropping up more and more.
I do remember, though, hearing my late sister-in-law talking about a neighbor/friend of hers and my BIL that used to be able to sit down with people and tell them things she saw about them “in the future.” She told my SIL things that did, in fact come to pass.
Well, on to another couple of things I’ve been wondering.
When LE was doing their water searches in the Canal, and they spent a good week or two there searching in one particular area, I wonder if they ever did recover anything. Not, of course, SP’s body, but her missing passport, or her phone. Never heard a word mentioned one way or the other whether their efforts were fruitful. You never know.
gatehousechicago, on May 8th, 2008 at 6:28 pm Said:
Hello everyone,
To help ease the slow loading, let’s move the conversation over to http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/savios-sister-to-testify-thursday/
And when you move over there, tell us what you think about the idea of having daily threads.
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Yes, please!
I’m sure they have a lot of information that nobody will know…not until they’re ready. By the way, in the video of the lead investigator of the ISP…he clearly mentioned there was a things stated by the media that is “false”…he would not state what it was…but the way he stated it I got the feeling they have a lot more to go on than what we are privy to know. I can see if I can find the video to post.
LOL, I can totally imagine my dog stuck in the engine of a car.
As for changing your mind, I’ve looked at this from lots of ways and considered different scenarios. But when I think of the big picture and how Stacy was described as coming from this crappy family background and how she seemed to be the one who got away from it and was determined to have the family, the kids the house, how she called her dad every day even though he wasn’t the greatest dad ever, how she hung on to her sister and kept her close, how she gathered family together on holidays and became to be this sort of stabilizing factor, when I look at that picture of her with Laci in the playpen, I just can’t imagine her, ever, under any circumstance voluntarily leaving those kids, her sister, her dad or grandfather.
And I don’t mean to say that she’s “Saint Stacy”, just that she seemed to be the one member of a pretty disfunctional family who had beaten the odds and had set out on creating a really good future for herself and her family. Even though it meant latching on to this guy who, in the end, was probably the worst guy she could have latched on to.
gatehousechicago, on May 8th, 2008 at 6:28 pm Said:
Hello everyone,
To help ease the slow loading, let’s move the conversation over to http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/savios-sister-to-testify-thursday/
And when you move over there, tell us what you think about the idea of having daily threads.
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Daily would be awesome!
Rescueapet, LE seems to know how to keep their collective mouths closed! That’s why we don’t hear what was found or what was not found.
According to the reports, these are the three that testified at the Grand Jury today:
Savio’s sister, Sue Doman, testified for about an hour as did Lisa Ward, the daughter of Peterson’s second wife, Vicki Connolly.
A third witness was Steve Maniaci, who was dating Savio at the time of her death, Doman said.
Oh, thanks for the reminder, lavanda. Yes, daily would be good.
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Yeah, noway, LE does know how to keep quiet. I think that’s why Brodsky keeps going on his fishing expeditions. He throws stuff out there, like the thing with the cadaver dogs, and “asks” if anyone has heard something he hasn’t. I’ve gotten the impression he does that more than ever, since he’s the last one to know anything these days.
Update:
Chicago police said the remains were found at 1453 N. Dearborn St., which is an active construction site on Chicago’s Near North Side. Shortly after the bone was found about 2 p.m. Wednesday, construction crews turned it over to authorities, police said.
John Mirabelli, a Chicago police spokesman, said an investigation is under way. Officials said it was possible the site where the remains were found was once a cemetery.
Has it been verified that it was JB on the LP site?
It is interesting that near each event meant to raise awareness that Stacy is missing, JB or DP come up with something to distract the public.
It’s never about Stacy or how their Internet searches are going.
Should this go to trial it will be facinating to find out what all of these people have to say…. and what LE has found.
I had read somewhere that Grand Jury could go on until next Nov. They had originally had said 4 months… about 6 months ago.
Daily threads it is then. BTW, today’s grand jury story should be up shortly.
Oh, KS’s boyfriend was Steve Maniaci? I remember hearing that he was away that weekend, on business, I think.
Yes, juror, I read the same thing. They had the option to extend to November. You never really know someone, so they didn’t know what they’d find out about Drew Peterson.
lavanda – like Poltergeist?
I find it encouraging that the GJ is taking a long time. There must be a lot for them to look into….. I hope
Well, I’m going to pack up my migraine and go to bed.
Later
I have read that once he is charged, it’s 120 days or less for trial. Wouldn’t be too good to charge him just for the sake of doing so, and still be trying to figure out evidence.
Good night, juror.
Lavanda, I keep forgetting to say that I think if you want to link to your site, you can add that URL to your profile and if someone clicks on your name it will redirect there.
Thanks, Facs…I think I did…add it to my profile? I’m all over the place on the internet anyhow. LOL. Which is why I maintain the same screenname no matter where I go. Be glad when sports is over (is it ever?) and I can have some control of the television at night! LOL So this is my hobby. Hopping all over the web, reading, researching, posting, emailing…anyhow…off to watch TIVO w hubby before lights out at midnite.
G’nite all. Goodnite Juror
Huh – i guess it doesn’t automatically attach it to your screen name then? So how do other people have links from their names…
‘night!
Here’s the story on today’s grand jury which included testimony from Savio’s sister Susan Doman, Savio boyfriend Steve Maniaci and LIsa Ward, the daughter of Peterson’ second wife.
http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/sister-of-peterson%e2%80%99s-former-wife-testifies-before-grand-jury/
Thanks, gatehouse!
thanks. going to read now.
Frick- I accidentally posted this originally on the May 5th “Your Thread”. So, here I am, posting it again where I meant to post it the first time… DOH!
Just a thought from an insomniac ol’ Jewish mum in AK:
There seems to be a bit of conflict regarding Tom Morphey’s whereabouts. He is either:
A. In residential treatment for mental health issues (and/or, according to JB and DiP, drug/alcohol addictions)…
*OR*
B. He is in the protective custody of LE/the FBI, because he is potentially a valuable witness for the prosecution of DiP.
Now, that’s just a wee bit confusing, ain’t it?
Well, no, it’s not really- if you take a step back and look at the whole enchilada, instead of just the beans and rice.
It was reported that Tom tried to kill himself a day after he “helped” DiP with the barrel and cell phone stuff, right?
So, it would stand to reason that Tom would be receiving mandatory mental health care for his suicidal depression/anxiety/PTSD/etc. immediately (which is required in AK for anyone who tries to commit suicide, but ends up at hospital instead- not sure about IL law, sorry!)- right?
And, if LE/the FBI considers Tom to be a valuable prosecution witness, then would they not want to see that he gets the care and help he needs, so that he will be less suicidally traumatized, and more emotionally stable, if and when he is required to give testimony before the Grand Jury, and/or at the criminal trial?
Also, even if Tom is in a “lock down” or medium security mental health hospital, he WOULD be able to contact his loved ones, whilst still remaining safely ensconced and protected by LE as he heals.
Taking this all in, it is my belief that BOTH of these statements are TRUE:
1. Tom Morphey IS in residential treatment for his depression and anxiety about whatever occurred the night he was “helping” his step-brother DiP.
*AND*
2. Tom Morphey IS in the “protective custody” of LE, because whilst he is getting the help he needs, he is also being protected/guarded/monitored as a potentially very valuable witness by LE/the FBI.
And that’s all I have to say about that right now…
My guess is that Tom is both in rehab AND protective custody.
Maybe in a facility. They don’t let you out of those.
I was just over at IS, catching up. The BIL of Tina, SP dead sis, posts there.
Which made me think of Tina’s kids.
Which made me think of Stacy’s & Kathleen’s kids.
And Mothers Day.
And making stuff at school for Mommy.
And how sad those Bbk kids have to be each time they step out the front door and have to look at Sharons home.
And how much I hate her for putting another stab into their hearts.
And how the people who are building up the shrine rationalize the action because of their hate for Drew.
And I am sadder than ever for the little ones. I love little kids.
What happens to them now shapes what happens to them later.
Yeah, it’s hard on the kids. Imagine how it was for Tom & Kris to have to go the grave site of their dead mother, on holidays, maybe her birthday, Mother’s Day. Assuming Bbk’s father kept the memory of their mother alive and honored it with letting them pay their respects to her.
Imagine how hard it was on those same boys to get the stunning news that their mother “ran off with another man,” out of the mouth of their loving father.
I am sorry, but you have so much rage and anger directed and focused at a group of people that had nothing to do with the loss of those mothers, that it’s just incredible to try and justify.
Venting and raging at them by saying they are stabbing into the hearts of the children is just mind boggling. I am so at a loss to figure out how you can think the way you do.
Sorry, but they are just as angry, sad and bewildered, as you are about the loss of four children’s mother. Just because you can’t agree with the way they direct their anger is no reason to vent your rage at them, in my opinion.
They didn’t kill Kathleen Savio or harm Stacy Peterson. Maybe Mr. Bbk did, maybe he didn’t. But it sure looks like he did, and that’s enough to make anyone want to spit nails!
amanda i so totaly agree with you. to me they are selfish ppl. they want to get to dp anyway they can. & so what if it gets the kids. poor kids in the middle. makes ya wonder if these ppl were so spoiled got what they wanted when they wanted it. they think the process is moving slow & that they can get him to crack. why dont they let le do their job & leave the kids out of it. if it werent for the kids id be the 1st to say get him anyway you can. but i am not a selfish person. & i have always put children 1st & not just my own. i wish i could sit down one on one with sharon drill it in her head cuz it doesnt take a genius to figure out its flat out WRONG. shes an adult.
Yeah, well, they do want to get to DP anyway they can, you’re probably right about that. They think he’s responsible for killing two women, so that would be a valid idea.
But, as much as they’re out to get DP, DP and his lawyer are out to get anyone that cared for either woman, their families, friends, supporters. So, I guess it all evens itself out.
As to leaving the kids out of it, do you think it was a sickening idea to parade them around on national tv in a staged video, solely for the purpose of using them to make their father look good? That’s selfish, isn’t it?
I wish you could sit down and drill that into DPeterson’s head. Leave your kids out of your staged videos. That is just plain WRONG to use them for your purpose.
Just read the article by Hosey that Peterson’s attorney is shifting focus to KS’s boyfriend, since he just appeared before the GJ. Says he should lawyer up and take the Fifth.
This guy hasn’t uttered a word in public, hasn’t shown his face, hasn’t been quoted anywhere, and solely because he was compelled to appear before the GJ by subpoena, Brodsky is now trying to make him look like he should be looked at as a suspect in her homicide. Heaven help anyone that knew and loved either woman. They’re toast when it comes to the Peterson/Brodsky men. Just plain toast.
i think dp is just plain wrong also. but i have no ambition to talk with him. just because i get on sharon & the army does not mean i am for dp. then it turns into who is more wrong. who gives a crap. like i said getting him would be a valid idea but i myself would put the children 1st no matter what. yes stacy would be happy that ppl are looking for her ect. but being the loving mother i think she was i dont think shed be calling sharon her best friend now. i certainly know i wouldnt
well of course dp wants the heat off himself
rescue that reminds me why do you think mr cales has never said anything negative about dp & vice versa. i have always wondered this
feisty – because not everyone is the same and comes out swinging. Maybe Mr. Cales suffers within himself, and he doesn’t get personal satisfaction voicing his dislike for his son-in-law. I don’t know the answer to that.
I guess you have to be in a person’s shoes to know what it must be like to lose a child. Something none of us ever want to have to face, nor should we. That is just not right to lose your child, by any means or ways. Period!!!!!! Some people use anger to vent their rage about losing a loved one, maybe even blaming their God. Some retreat into darkness. That takes some serious soul searching to come up with an answer for that.
As to the neighbor, and the plant people, and the supporters, well, there’s plenty of finger pointing that can be done, yes. But, this whole scenario is not the norm either. It’s not every day you see the story unfold regarding the relationship of a 17 year old teenager, who winds up marrying a man over 30 years older, bears two children, adopts his two after their mother died, and winds up missing and presumed dead. This is not what your average girl-next-door story, is it?
I think it’s safe to say Peterson perks up when young, young women are in the mix. I hope it’ll all get straightened out some time or other. I certainly wouldn’t want to see him be imprisoned for crimes he didn’t commit. That wouldn’t be serving justice.
But, then again, I don’t like anything about him, and I can very well accept the ideas that he had ways and means to do the destruction he is accused of doing.
oh i m sure mr cales suffers. so why do you think dp has never said a negative thing about mr cales? when he has stated lots of neggative stuff about everyone else.
That’s easy, feisty. Because Mr. Cales hasn’t said a word against him. That would be silly for Peterson to cast the first stone and stir up a frenzie about his reputation. After all, that is his missing wife’s father. Would that endear people to Peterson if he started hacking away at him, solely because he’s his wife’s father, and for no other reason? How would Peterson justify saying something negative against him in public, when, in all reality, almost no one has hard anything about the man. We have, because we’re local. But, he’s never been on tv or in national newspapers.
oops, no one has “heard” anything about the man.
dp casts the 1st stone many times. look at what he said about ks boyfriend sm. i am not local but have heard lots about mr cales 1st hand. if i was missing & my dad thought my husband did it he’d be knocking. im not digging at mr cales im truly just puzzeled. seems weird on both ends.
feisty – where did you hear anything about Mr. Cales? Only here is where I have, and I am local. Amanda who posts here is the one that laid it all out about him, and that was her version. Not saying she’s right or wrong. Just saying that’s who openly wrote about the man, and that’s the ONLY thing I’ve seen anywhere. You saw something else?
Funny, I never once heard the name of KS’s boyfriend before. Only now that it was reported he was subpoenaed and compelled to appear before the GJ.
Another thing that was recently reported was that Mr. Morphey’s friend and brother appeared before the GJ.
Neither KS’s boyfriend, nor Tom Morphey himself, has said a word in public, either on tv or in the press.
Yet, the Peterson team has come out swinging against both of them, solely because of GJ reporting.
What’s up with that?
my brother lives near Mr. Cales. i agree about tm & sm but find it weird that he attacks them as soon as they go to grand jury but not mr cales. thats what makes it weird that he comes out swinging but on mr cales he hasnt uttered a word. dont you find it strange with all the swinging going on as you have stated
I have never heard of a father 6 months into an investigation never uttering a word about the suspect in his daughters murder. He has been interviewed several times. Not a word. Makes no sense.
nothing about this case makes sense in my mind.
‘Cales said that although he talked to his daughter practically every day, she never confided in him about the problems she had with her husband, Drew Peterson, a former Bolingbrook police sergeant. But Cales—who at 53 is a year younger than his son-in-law—said he was confident that Stacy would not desert her children.
“She never left her kids,” he said. “She called me every day. If she didn’t get me on the phone, she’d leave a voice mail.”‘
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To me it sounds like he had nothing to say about Drew because Stacy never talked about the problems between them. Since he doesn’t have any info about the case, he has nothing to say to the press.
There’s this too, but this is all I’ve ever seen from him about Drew:
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Cales said he’s suspicious of Peterson’s offer this week of a $25,000 reward for information leading to Stacy’s safe return…
…Cales said he’s frustrated by Peterson’s media appearances and antics. Before Valentine’s Day, Peterson proposed participating in a “Win a Date with Drew” contest on a radio station.
Cales hasn’t talked to Peterson since Stacy vanished, he said.
“We actually got along really well. I thought we were pretty good friends,” Cales said. “I see him on TV, and it just burns me up, the silly things he does and says.”
I am surprised too that KS’s boyfriend has never once been quoted in the press about anything. Or, for that matter, DPeterson’s estranged son, Eric.
I’m sure the media and the reporters have, in fact, asked them for comments. I’d probably bet odds they said “no comment.” Some people do that. Then, there’s nothing to pick apart for everyone else!
rescueapet, on May 9th, 2008 at 9:24 am Said:
As to the neighbor, and the plant people, and the supporters, well, there’s plenty of finger pointing that can be done, yes.
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Sorry, in advance. I have to tell you, I really laughed at the “plant people”. I am in full agreement with Amanda in that building a shrine for Stacy is a wonderful gesture…but on the lawn of Sharon and in full view of the children is totally inappropriate. For goodness sakes. Seems to me that the money and time spent to tend to a garden “in memory of Stacy”…that could be better used towards the Savio/Peterson children who lost their mother.
I would rather have seen a tree of gift cards and things on Drew’s lawn for the children…as opposed to flowers, posters, pictures, angels, frogs, and the rest of it makes it look rather like a cemetary:( Sorry, but that is how I feel and I am a very avid supporter of Cassandra finding her sister and bringing her home for a proper burial….but it has gotten a bit out of hand. I imagine the little kids are probably wondering why they don’t have flowers in their yard? The teens are probably wondering why if Stacy and Kathleen was their mom do they not have this kind of attention? And adding Kathleens photo to the mix is a real confusing issue for the children. Good gracious….all I can say is that they may see that their neighbor has all these flowers and gifts……..and they are the ones that lost their mothers….and it WAS their mom…..not Sharon’s mom. Kids are never going to be able to view this other than a personal invasion. (By the way, it was my 13 year old son who gave me the explanation on how he would feel if he were Drew’s child)
I’ve been reading the posts above, and . . .
I would also like it if Drew didn’t put his children in his interviews and other publicity stunts.
I would like it if Sharon stopped with the multiple pictures of Stacy in her windows and the flower garden.
And, if the pictures and flowers really bother the older boys, then Drew should have them tell Sharon. For everyone’s sake, it might be best if a neutral third party was involved so it doesn’t turn into a public spectacle.
IMO, a public display of all these flowers would get more attention for Stacy’s case. For example, in front of the library or some other public place. Get people talking about why the flowers are there.
rescueapet, on May 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am Said:
That’s easy, feisty. Because Mr. Cales hasn’t said a word against him. That would be silly for Peterson to cast the first stone and stir up a frenzie about his reputation. After all, that is his missing wife’s father. Would that endear people to Peterson if he started hacking away at him, solely because he’s his wife’s father, and for no other reason? How would Peterson justify saying something negative against him in public, when, in all reality, almost no one has hard anything about the man. We have, because we’re local. But, he’s never been on tv or in national newspapers.
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Rescueapet, I can assure you if Stacy’s father spoke of anything negative about Drew in the public….DP and JB would not hesitate for a second to lash out in some ridiculous retaliating method. Lets not forget that he has not lost just one daughter, he also lost Tina…he also has probably adhered to the advice of the ISP to not speak out. Sounds like a smart man to me.
Quote from Lavanda: I would rather have seen a tree of gift cards and things on Drew’s lawn for the children…as opposed to flowers, posters, pictures, angels, frogs, and the rest of it makes it look rather like a cemetary.
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Drew would not allow these things on his lawn. And I don’t think a garden/shrine in his yard is any better.
You want people to look for Stacy?
You want people to be aware that there is a woman who is loved very much who is missing?
Put the flowers where they are going to generate conversation with the public. Visitors to Bolingbrook … business people who travel … whoever.
I don’t think something of this magnitude belongs in either yard. Something small and private, yes. But as this grew, it should have been used for good.
As always, all my opinion.
truthisthere, on May 9th, 2008 at 9:52 am Said:
I have never heard of a father 6 months into an investigation never uttering a word about the suspect in his daughters murder. He has been interviewed several times. Not a word. Makes no sense.
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Just because he is not uttering a word to the press does not mean he is not livid and talking with family. There is also the fact that Stacy’s children are residing with Drew (yes…Drews children too)…thus that is another thought as to why he may be keeping his mouth shut. I’m sure it is not an easy task. By the way, he is very quiet and somewhat passive. He didn’t speak much at the FSP either. Some people may not be able to handle all of this trauma….and add the media to the mix? Good gracious. That’s a lot for anyone to partake.
truthisthere, on May 9th, 2008 at 9:52 am Said:
I have never heard of a father 6 months into an investigation never uttering a word about the suspect in his daughters murder. He has been interviewed several times. Not a word. Makes no sense.
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Makes sense to me. My mom used to say, “If you can’t say something nice about someone don’t say anything at all.”
IMO, nobody has to say anything bad about Drew. His actions speak louder than any words.
noway406, on May 9th, 2008 at 10:18 am Said:
Quote from Lavanda: I would rather have seen a tree of gift cards and things on Drew’s lawn for the children…as opposed to flowers, posters, pictures, angels, frogs, and the rest of it makes it look rather like a cemetary.
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Drew would not allow these things on his lawn. And I don’t think a garden/shrine in his yard is any better.
You want people to look for Stacy?
You want people to be aware that there is a woman who is loved very much who is missing?
Put the flowers where they are going to generate conversation with the public. Visitors to Bolingbrook … business people who travel … whoever.
I don’t think something of this magnitude belongs in either yard. Something small and private, yes. But as this grew, it should have been used for good.
As always, all my opinion.
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I didn’t say to put a garden/shrine on his lawn. I said I would rather they have made a gift card tree for the kids…naturally that is something that wouldn’t ’stay up”….but it sure would have been nice for the kids to wake up and see a tree on their front lawn w a bunch of gift cards attached. Not an everyday run to the lawn and keep adding things. I also said the “shrine” is a wonderful idea…….but somewhere else.
He didn’t speak much at the FSP either. Some people may not be able to handle all of this trauma….and add the media to the mix? Good gracious. That’s a lot for anyone to partake.
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The above was meant to say “at the FSP Fundraiser”.
noway406, on May 9th, 2008 at 10:21 am Said:
Makes sense to me. My mom used to say, “If you can’t say something nice about someone don’t say anything at all.”
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Hmm …
Drew has told these children that their mother has left them (not just him) for another man, another life.
Their neighbor, aunt, and a whole bunch of other people think their mom is missing, maybe dead. And that their Dad did it. Even the police call him a suspect. The only suspect.
Because there is this conflict between what the people they love think … IMO, this is just not a gift card giving situation.
Enough already!
IMO, the more people who know about this case, the better. There must be people who just pass through Bolingbrook who would have no idea that Stacy Peterson is missing.
Make that flower garden work for the effort to find her.
I have one word to say about dragging Mr. Cales into this. I will not say another word about it, truth. The man did nothing, nothing, nothing!!!!! He did not cause his daughter to disappear, and what he did in his prior life means nothing to me. Me hating him, the neighbors, the plant people, the supporters, the family, isn’t going to save the day.
Believe you me, what Drew Peterson did IN HIS PAST is going to make a whole world of difference in this, not Mr. Cales.
It’s which lawyer can make the jury want to convict or acquit Drew Peterson. They don’t give a rat’s hoot about the plant people or the sign people. It’s the hate and rage the bloggers have for it them that makes it a circus.
You know, I’ve heard quite a few here in the past voice their dislike for SP, and point out that she was romping around with Drew Peterson when he was married to KS. Well, if read Gatehouse’s article about this latest GJ appearance, you will see that KS was also “the other woman” when he was married to his second wife!!!!!!!! Should I drag reputation through the muck now? Not me.
And, the fact that they’re on their high horse that SP is a bad woman because she kept a dark secret to herself is amazing. That means these same people are looking past the fact that Drew Peterson is, in fact, a MURDERER. He gets a pass, she doesn’t. Whew. Help me.
well if they moved the garden no one would drive by & see the pics in her windows in the back yard. id suggest a garden at a childrens hospital
LaVonda, what one G*d’s green earth makes you think for even a moment that DiP would use those gift cards for the KIDS?
Heck, people have been wanting to send greetings cards filled with gift cards since before Christmas, but that idea was nixed because there’s no guarantee that the kids would ever even see them.
I look at it this way- the less people mess with DiP’s yard/trees/house, the less stressed he’ll be about it, and a less stressed atmosphere is what all four of those children need. There’ll be plenty of drama later on as the case develops, but for now,the less drama for those children, the better.
I think 1 sign on the lawn is plenty. I also think that the flowers would make a noticeably bigger statement and have more impact if they were planted somewhere in a busy, public area in the Bolingbrook village center.
But that’s just me…
Rescueapet, I agree. Mr. Cales is a man whose daughter is missing. What he says about the man who is a suspect really has no bearing on the fact that his daughter is missing.
And just to clarify, my “Enough already” was for the people who can make a difference in this case, not directed to anyone posting here. Unless of course, you are one of the people who could make a difference in how the flowers are being handled.
i dont give dp a pass. & i dont like how fsp handles things. its not like oh im on this side or this side. never even said a bad thing about mr cales. which i could but have not. he had nothing to do with her missing. we all pretty much know who did though. how much money do you think is in that garden. wouldnt it serve a better purpose than to cheer up sharon. dont 4get sharon likes cheeseccake on a stick when you go to the fun raiser
I think there’s a lot of impatient people with lots of time on their hands, and it’s consuming them. There, I said it.
I don’t think they’re evil. I can’t compare a group of well-meaning, if misdirected busybodies, as being evil, with a man suspected of causing harm to two women.
It’s all how you perceive what you see.
Basherette said: I also think that the flowers would make a noticeably bigger statement and have more impact if they were planted somewhere in a busy, public area in the Bolingbrook village center.
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I agree completely. Get people talking in Bolingbrook and the surrounding area.
Why are all those flowers being planted?
It’s to raise awareness for missing people in the area, including Stacy Peterson, Lisa Stebic, Brad Olsen, John Spira …
Get people talking in the town that matters!
Also, regarding Stacy’s father:
Yes, her mother lost 4 children- SIDS, house fire, cancer and (most likely) murder. She went missing almost 10 years ago. I think she killed herself or might be a Jane Doe in a psychiatric hospital.
But- her father also lost 4 children. Who the hell knows what his state of mind is right now? I’d be depressed and worried and angry and scared as allgitout if I was bearing the load he’s carrying around- wouldn’t you? So personally, I don’t give a flying fig whether or not he decides to speak publicly about this tragedy. I do, however, pray for peace for the families involved, because losing just 1 child is beyond hard to bear and can break a person- losing 4, well… I can’t even begin to imagine the magnitude of that amount of pain.
lavandadolce, on May 9th, 2008 at 10:26 am Said:
noway406, on May 9th, 2008 at 10:21 am Said:
Makes sense to me. My mom used to say, “If you can’t say something nice about someone don’t say anything at all.”
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She never would have been able to handle these blogs!
I don’t think they have computers in Heaven, do they?
I see it as how sharon puts it out there. Lets get dp, he lives next door to mehe killed one wife & one is missing & presumed dead, he brings girls home, leaves kids alone at night, you can see she has let her hate for him take over. i would hate him also if he lived next door to me but i still would be able to see the hurt & sadness in the childrens eyes
It’s hard for a neighbor to “see the hurt in the children’s eyes” if she’s not allowed to see them at all.
well she knows the garden & pics are hurting them ask any psyhcologist. google it see for yourself whats apporpriate death of a parent in childhood. theres lots of info
& nowhere does it say keep the death of the parent in their face 24 -7. why cant ppl grasp this. cuz they let their selfish thinking take over. sad sad sad
Hey who is this all about? Where is Stacys name?
Hey everyone, Seth here with one quick update-
The “Fun” raiser is this saturday at the Ditka Dome in Bolingbrook starting at 5 pm. We hope that each and every one of you can make it out for this event. Right now, the 46 Zone and the Ditka Dome are handling all of the food for the event but the desserts are our responsibility. I’m personally making 20 or so dozen cookies (whatever the batch ends up making) and bringing those with. If you are attending the event and could possibly bring a dessert item to share it would be greatly appreciated (Sharon seems to like cheesecake on a stick, fyi) but any and all dessert items are welcome.
Thanks for your time and your continued support and we hope to see you all at the event on Saturday!!!
that right there truth irks me to no end.
Doesn’t mention Drew’s name either. So?
Ah- but, according to DiP, there HASN’T been a “death in the family”! Stacy’s not missing, she “ran off with another man”, remember?
What in tarnation is cheescake on a stick? Never heard of it. Is it like a popscicle?
Well, if this was posted on the Friends of Stacy Peterson/Find Stacy Peterson website, it’s pretty obvious isn’t it?
If this is a press release you are quoting, they need a good proofreader.
Why all the resentment over desserts? That’s the second cut and paste from that site concerning them.
For heaven’s sake, let people have their sweets.
Don’t hate over cake!
Facs, in some peoples’ eyes, FSP can do no right. And I thought we weren’t supposed to post threads from there … or even say the name. My bad.
Back to the previous convo- like I said, according to DiP, Stacy ran off with another man.
Ok, so what happens to kids in that situation? Dad tells them that mom left him for another man, and she didn’t even bother to say, “Goodbye!” to them. They hear that OVER and OVER from Dad. How do they FELL? They’re confused, angry, don’t understand why mom didn’t take ‘em with her, feel sorry for Dad, and they miss her.
Similar emotions occur when a parent dies (by natural causes), but the depth of the emotions increases dramatically. It increases even more for the child of a parent who has been murdered by their other parent/step-parent/another family member.
So, basically, even though I think it was a nice idea, the garden has grown so large that it really should be moved. It IS Stacy’s garden, so I think it should be put somewhere with more daily public access, so that it can graner more attention to help keep high interest in finding Stacy and her case.
I honestly don’t think the flowers mean anything to the children other than being something very pretty to peek out the window at. DiP is the one who’s stessed out about it, and that added stress is not good for the children. Hence, my previous post- if you want to help the children in whatever way you can (short of arresting their father- yet), then give their control freak father less stress.
Why does this have to be so complicated?
Because there is this conflict between what the people they love think … IMO, this is just not a gift card giving situation.
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Noway….you’re right. Actually, you’re very right. Enough with the fluff and get down to finding Stacy and move the garden to where it can be seen by the general public.
Sheesh- should have read: How do they FEEL?
*SIGH* And that should be “garner”, not “graner”…
I look at it this way- the less people mess with DiP’s yard/trees/house, the less stressed he’ll be about it, and a less stressed atmosphere is what all four of those children need. There’ll be plenty of drama later on as the case develops, but for now,the less drama for those children, the better.
I think 1 sign on the lawn is plenty. I also think that the flowers would make a noticeably bigger statement and have more impact if they were planted somewhere in a busy, public area in the Bolingbrook village center.
But that’s just me…
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Yes. I agree. And just for the record…I was NOT saying for someone to come up with and start putting a gift card tree in DP’s yard! I merely stated I would rather see that ….and the money towards that…..then to see the “cemetary looking” memorial in their neighbors yard. I agree the “shrine” should be elsewhere.
im not saying dp handeled it right neither. but 2 wrongs dont make a right. whats it gonna be like this summer on those kids. go out & play in their face. i thinks he is responsible for the deaths of both. would you like it if they were your children. sure i would want them to remember me & my ,ove for them. but i still would want them to be kids with happy days. not seeing me everywhere they turn. sharon has turned this in to her own thing. i would haunt her everyday for doing it to my children. & of course id haunt my huband also
It was an act by one person, who was thoughtful enough to include anyone who wanted to be included, and it was personal.
Now, I think would be a good time to move forward and make it benefit all missing people in the area.
Look at the bigger picture.
Yes, it would get Stacy’s name out there (and the name Stacy’s Garden can stay as far as I’m concerned) but let “Stacy’s Garden” stand for something more.
noway406, on May 9th, 2008 at 10:42 am Said:
lavandadolce, on May 9th, 2008 at 10:26 am Said:
noway406, on May 9th, 2008 at 10:21 am Said:
Makes sense to me. My mom used to say, “If you can’t say something nice about someone don’t say anything at all.”
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She never would have been able to handle these blogs!
I don’t think they have computers in Heaven, do they?
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Awwwwwwww. I’m sorry to hear:( This is probably an especially hard weekend for you. My prayers and thoughts for you. As for computers in heaven? Well…..probably not. Darn! Aren’t we all going to be kibbeeing when we get to heaven! lol
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I look at it this way. I’m not givin’ DP a pass. I don’t have to agree with the way his wife’s supporters run their lives and what they do with them either. If the plant people want to draw attention to the neighbor’s yard, to me, it’s whatever floats your boat.
I cannot, however, for the life of me, see how such rage from anti-Stacy supporters can consume them so much that they pull the focus away from the suspect in a missing woman/possible homicide matter to giving a rat’s hoo too about cheesecake on a stick, and a bunch of plants on a lawn.
The only one in Drew’s camp so far that hasn’t, to my knowledge, chewed up and spit out the plant or cheesecake on a stick people, is Brodsky. He’s too busy worrying about the ones that are really hurting his client, ya think? Even the ones that haven’t uttered a word about him!!!!!!! Say, like, Mr. Morphy, and KS’s boyfriend now. He could care less about cheesecake on a stick and plants.
basherette, on May 9th, 2008 at 11:13 am Said:
What in tarnation is cheescake on a stick? Never heard of it. Is it like a popscicle?
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They’re actually delicious…its a circle of cheesecake dipped into white choclate with choc drizzle..or vice versa…on a stick and wrapped in celophane with a bow. WinCity from FSP has her own business and makes them. She donated hundreds to the FSP foundation. They are quite expensive and a real delicasy. Yummmmmmmmmmmm.
“Mr. Morphey.” I know how to spell his name, LOL. It was a typo.
im not pulling attention away from finding stacy. they are doing it. i want this mother home. i dont get why you cant see this rescue. do you have children? & where do you get it that im an anti supporter of sp. sounds like name calling to me. maybe i can say you are an anti child supporter
feistygurl, on May 9th, 2008 at 11:32 am Said:
im not saying dp handeled it right neither. but 2 wrongs dont make a right. whats it gonna be like this summer on those kids. go out & play in their face. i thinks he is responsible for the deaths of both. would you like it if they were your children. sure i would want them to remember me & my ,ove for them. but i still would want them to be kids with happy days. not seeing me everywhere they turn. sharon has turned this in to her own thing. i would haunt her everyday for doing it to my children. & of course id haunt my huband also
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No doubt I would haunt his arse. As for Sharon, I believe she will be planting all those pots of flowers. They have at least stopped coming…right?
Two thoughts:
A. Quit worrying about typing errors. Ew all nkow hwat yuo maen.
B. Quit classifying each other into groups.
feisty – whether I have children is irrelevant and is not the issue here. I never said you were an anti supporter of sp. I didn’t call any one a name, I was stating an opinion.
Now you’re focusing your frustration on a blogger with a different opinion of how people make use of their time in the support of Stacy Peterson? Come after me all you want. If it makes you feel better in your case, knock yourself out.
“anti child supporter?”
Flowers and cheescake … both wonderful but off topic! LOL
It makes me think of the way Drew operates. Distract the public with talk of this and that.
Never let them bring up the wife murdered and the wife missing. And if they do, just say you don’t know how to respond to that. Or say it never happened.
IMO Just more distractions to keep the focus away from what we were discussing. Why?
From what I can see…we all agree we want Stacy found, we want justice and it would be in the best interest to move the flower garden. Let’s move on with another thought…one that won’t cause personal misunderstandings.
noway406, on May 9th, 2008 at 11:50 am Said:
Flowers and cheescake … both wonderful but off topic! LOL
It makes me think of the way Drew operates. Distract the public with talk of this and that.
Never let them bring up the wife murdered and the wife missing. And if they do, just say you don’t know how to respond to that. Or say it never happened.
IMO Just more distractions to keep the focus away from what we were discussing. Why?
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Uhhhhhhhhh cuz we are women? Women tend to chat in all directions?
Let the flower garden grow in another direction.
LOL…Noway…you and I had to have typed the word “direction” at the exact same moment in two different contexts! LOL
Yes, the focus today is, as a matter of fact, Brodsky getting in the newspaper, once again, and stating that maybe KS’s boyfriend should get a lawyer, she his girlfriend died in a house that he had access to and knew the security code of. Never mind that it fits his client too. Just shaking my head on that one.
Another poor soul that hasn’t uttered an unkind word about anyone in the press for him to bam, slam.
Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, claims Maniaci and Savio broke off their relationship the weekend before she was found dead.
“If he was smart, he took the Fifth,” Brodsky said of Maniaci. “If it was my girlfriend who was found dead, and it was declared a homicide, and I had the code to the alarm system, and there were no signs of forced entry, I would have a lawyer with me.”
Maniaci could not be reached for comment. Savio’s niece, Melissa Doman, disputed Brodsky’s assertion.
“No. If memory serves me correctly, he was at my aunt’s wake,” Melissa Doman said. “Why would he be there if they broke up?”
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So how would Brodsky have known that they broke up? Did Drew tell him that? So how did Drew know that if he couldn’t get ahold of her? I am pretty darn sure that Kathleen did not divulge to Drew that she and her boyfriend “broke up” as she was handing the children to him for the weekend.
Besides, I thought Peterson and Brodsky have been denying the latest reports that she’s a homicide victim. Why is he telling someone not his client to lawyer up, and making the public think he should be considered by the cops as a suspect in a homicide? Duh! Throw it all out there and see what he can get to stick.
Lavanda, I meant that the person who posted the information about the fundraiser wanted to keep the focus away from what we were talking about.
And thanks, but if I want to read what is on other sites, I’ll go there.
And that’s what I like about this place. I can talk in all directions.
LOL, yeah, and as I said already, I love the part where he says “I would have a lawyer with me.”
When Drew went to the GJ and plead the Fifth, he didn’t have a lawyer with him. He had Brodsky. What’s up with that?
Gee- dunno what’s up with that.
*snort*
“snort” right back, LOL.
I heard a small mention, maybe at one time or another, from KS’s sister about her boyfriend, but maybe only one time. I wondered why he wasn’t much of an issue or hounded by the press. I wonder what he had to offer at the Coroner’s inquest regarding KS’s death. Seems to me if LE was looking to rule out homicide as a cause of her death at the time, they would have just as well investigated her current significant other, right along with Drew.
Why would Brodsky think we’re stupid enough to buy into his latest line that he thinks the boyfriend should lawyer up and LE should look at him????? Could he have been at two places at the same time?
Kathleen’s boyfriend probably had a real alibi, unlike Drew.
yeah, I agree, and I would assume that they investigated both men for their alibis at the time. Accepted both of them. Just seems like they left a few loose ends that are being called into question now, though, like cell phone records that they were going to look at but never did (Drew’s).
I feel sorry for the guy now, since it looks like Brodsky is going to focus on him now, after appearing at the GJ. So far, that’s the guy’s only reason for that. If Brodsky is changing his tune about KS’s death from accident to homicide, along with LE, he’s going to rip this guy for it now. Too bad.
Human Remains Story Makes National Headlines
http://www.whnt.com/Global/story.asp?S=8291915&nav=menu108_1_3
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rescueapet, on May 9th, 2008 at 12:15 pm Said:
I heard a small mention, maybe at one time or another, from KS’s sister about her boyfriend, but maybe only one time. I wondered why he wasn’t much of an issue or hounded by the press. I wonder what he had to offer at the Coroner’s inquest regarding KS’s death. Seems to me if LE was looking to rule out homicide as a cause of her death at the time, they would have just as well investigated her current significant other, right along with Drew.
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It’s a thought. However, if they DIDN’T call him then that would certainly pinpoint a problem. Definetly would mean something was amiss. Maybe he was called and that is where he stated they “broke up” and that may be how Drew found out.
rescueapet, on May 9th, 2008 at 12:15 pm Said:
I heard a small mention, maybe at one time or another, from KS’s sister about her boyfriend, but maybe only one time. I wondered why he wasn’t much of an issue or hounded by the press. I wonder what he had to offer at the Coroner’s inquest regarding KS’s death. Seems to me if LE was looking to rule out homicide as a cause of her death at the time, they would have just as well investigated her current significant other, right along with Drew.
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I had read that the boyfriend was out of town at the time of her death and that LE had ruled him out. I don’t remember the source but will spend some time digging around to see what I can find.
noway – yes, that is what I heard too at the time KS’s boyfriend was brought up by her sister, that he was out of town at the time of her death.
Seems to me it would’ve been pretty easy for them to pinpoint where he was during that time. Just, too bad now, four years later, after moving on with his life, he has to be brought into the public’s eye solely because Brodsky chose to do so. That, I am sorry to hear, without knowing anymore than I do.
Of course Drew had an alibi, which went poof once Stacy disappeared. But I guess she isn’t around to turn on him either…
lavonda – I think that is a shame that SPeterson’s name was even associated with those skeletal remains the other night on NG. That was just wrong!
Noway, that is what I remember.
Also Drew was relying on the blue line to accept his alibi. No citizen would have gotten away with that.
Yup, I think DP got away with a lot of winks and nods. There better be a lot of feet held to the fire for all of this.
Yes, I was home in bed with my wife. Now give us the 2 million please.
I guess it was not LE who ruled him out since it was not a homicide then. Maybe it was Kathleen’s family who did not think he was a suspect.
Maybe they had not been dating long? This sounds like maybe the last time Steve M. spoke with Kathleen?
Quote: Maniaci spoke to Savio on the phone two nights before she was found drowned in her dry bathtub in March 2004.
State police initially found no indication of foul play in connection with Savio’s death. Their opinion was contradicted in November after a forensic pathologist performed additional tests on her remains and concluded she was the victim of a homicide.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/drew.peterson.savio.2.719827.html
It’s all becoming very clear now what Brodsky is up to.
Every time a mention is made in the press about who was at the GJ, he starts with his ugly remarks. Of course, why should I be surprised.
Even Drew’s mother couldn’t escape her son’s wrath. Called her senile and let himself get quoted in the press as saying that, merely because the woman was appearing in front of the GJ due to a subpoena. In other words, if his mother said something to the GJ that wasn’t good for him, he wanted the public to think she’s a senile, old woman. Never mind that she came out on his behalf in the beginning. I think that should be brought out more than anything. He’ll stop at nothing, no matter who it is, to bring bad press on them.
He’s a real piece of work, isn’t he?
truth – Kathleen was “the other woman” too during his second marriage. Sad, but true. If SPeterson is guilty of that indiscretion, it goes both ways.
As to her going along with the secret, if one were to believe she did, it also says he DID murder Kathleen. Now what?
Don’t get me wrong, I really can think of a lot of good reason why Stacy would not say anything. I believe he had her brainwashed bad by that time.
I was just saying no real detective would trust an alibi based on the words of two people who stood to benefit from a death. Unless that person was a cop and cops wife.
Wonder if Steve was part of that Alibi?
Brodsky can throw out anything he wants to, and have it picked up and quoted in the press.
If he’s got private investigators working for him and he always claims he does, then I would venture to say he’s had this guy checked out already and KNOWS what he wants the public to hear.
He didn’t say “we’ve done some investigating ourselves, and Mr. Maniaci’s whereabouts can’t be substantiated by anyone.” Instead, he says he had access to the house, knows the alarm code. If that goon had something to spew about this guy, he’d have been pounding on The Suntimes front door in a heartbeat. He’s playing around with words.
As to Mr. Maniaci being “part of the alibi,” I guess if he deposited lots of money into his savings accounts after KS died, well, then, maybe they can come up with something. If not, then there’s nothing I can see that he’d gain by it. Money talks. Show me the money.
truthisthere, on May 9th, 2008 at 12:52 pm Said:
Wonder if Steve was part of that Alibi?
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Not sure that Steve Maniaci had anything to gain from Kathleen’s death. Would be interesting to know whether Stacy mentioned anything about Steve M. to the pastor. As far as “part of that alibi” but I would guess not … or Mr. Maniaci would have been called much sooner.
Question: Drew says that Kathleen and Steve M. broke up the week before her death.
If so, then why would her family list him in the obituary?
SAVIO, KATHLEEN
Kathleen Savio, age 40, suddenly March 1, 2004, at her residence in Bolingbrook, formerly of Glendale Heights. Survived by her loving children Thomas and Kristopher Peterson; devoted daughter of Henry (Marcia) Savio; sister of Anna Marie Savio-Doman, Susan M. Savio, Henry M. (Mary) Savio and Nicholas Savio; aunt of Charles H. Doman, Melissa (Tom) Moore, Michael E. Lisak, Angela M. Lisak, Elizabeth Savio, Robert Savio and Noelle Savio; niece of Mike Szpak; dear friend of Steve Maniaci; preceded in death by her Mother, Mary Savio. Visitation Friday 3 to 9 p.m. at the Anderson Memorial Chapel, 606 Townhall Dr., Romeoville. Funeral Saturday, March 6, 2003, 9:30 a.m. from the funeral home chapel to St. Andrew Catholic Church for a 10 a.m. Mass. Interment Queen of Heaven Catholic Cemetery in Hillside. 815-886-2323. Published in the Chicago Tribune on 3/4/2004.
this is so crazy. reading here and reading at FSP is one and the same. just different names except for lavonda, who got booted. nothing new is being said because there is nothing new. drew is free, no arrests, no body fournd. the coppers cant even give him a ticket. so whats the fuss and all the hate about?
I think he’s baiting Mr. Maniaci to come out and speak in the press, and give away tidbits for Brodsky to chew on. Why else would he say:
“If he was smart, he took the Fifth,” Brodsky said of Maniaci. “If it was my girlfriend who was found dead, and it was declared a homicide, and I had the code to the alarm system, and there were no signs of forced entry, I would have a lawyer with me.”
Don’t you think he wants Mr. Maniaci to lay it all out for him and SAY where he was, what he was doing, what they last spoke about? He’s on another fishing expedition. He threw out the bait, now he wants to catch his fish.
What Mr. Maniaci should do is have his well educated, high-class lawyer come out and say he has advised his client not to make any comments at this time during a pending homicide investigation. The facts will come out later.
Not everyone is as stupid as Brodsky wants them to think they are. There are other clients who have REAL lawyers. Not dried up wanna be ones.
Joel is just trying to give the public another suspect, even if the police don’t name him as such. It’s all about taking the eyes off his client.
Unlike Drew, Steve Maniaci can probably back up HIS timeline fo the days prior to Kathleen’s death with proof.
FYI, the post of Kathleen’s obituary is on http://www.acandyrose.com. That’s where I pulled it from.
http://www.acandyrose.com/kathleen_savio_documents.htm
ioncrime, on May 9th, 2008 at 1:02 pm Said:
… nothing new is being said because there is nothing new. drew is free, no arrests, no body fournd. the coppers cant even give him a ticket. so whats the fuss and all the hate about?
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The “fuss” is about a murdered woman and a missing, possibly murdered, woman.
What did you think these blogs were talking about?
noway – ???????? think about it.
Someone shoulda taken that left turn at Albuquerque…
? Rescueapet ?
i forgot, only opinions that coincide with the few who post on here are allowed. a thousand pardons. just keepstirring that pot.
Chilly today.
In Illinois, that is.
Sorry everyone … I’ve been trying to find the information I’d read a long time ago about Kathleen Savio’s boyfriend … that he was out of town on business.
rescueapet, south central here, where are you?
15 miles from Drew.
sorry. lol
Everything I’ve come across says “her boyfriend at the time of her death” or “the man she was dating”, but nothing about him being out of town or two of them breaking up.
I only know of him being out-of-town due to KS sister saying that somewhere, sometime, during the KS media reports, maybe shortly after she was exhumed?
Quote: Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, claims Maniaci and Savio broke off their relationship the weekend before she was found dead.
“If he was smart, he took the Fifth,” Brodsky said of Maniaci. “If it was my girlfriend who was found dead, and it was declared a homicide, and I had the code to the alarm system, and there were no signs of forced entry, I would have a lawyer with me.”
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/drew.peterson.savio.2.719827.html
Joel seems to contradict himself. Either they broke up or Kathleen was Steve’s girlfriend. Which was it?
And if you substitute “girlfriend” for “exwife” then this explains why Drew took the Fifth.
Other way … substitute “exwife” for “girlfriend” … although I think you all knew what I meant.
But at other times, according to Brodsky, Kathleen’s death is purely an acident and the homicide ruling is in error, so why should Maniaci be concerned?
Doesn’t explain why Drew didn’t have a lawyer with him. Oh, shoot, is Brodsky a lawyer? I forgot.
See, he switches so much, you need a secret decoder book. Can I borrow one, does someone here have one?
Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, claims Maniaci and Savio broke off their relationship the weekend before she was found dead.
Didn’t I see somewhere that he, in fact, spoke to her two days before her death? Or am I imagining that?
Obviously the anguish of the breakup cause her to forget to put up her hair or remove her jewelry before showering. It also caused her to gyrate wildly while bathing and consequently to slip, hit her head and drown in the tub.
Ah, here’s one:
Maniaci spoke to Savio on the phone two nights before she was found drowned in her dry bathtub in March 2004.
http://www.nbc5.com/news/16210167/detail.html?rss=chi&psp=news
He talks out of both sides of his mouth.
But I am grateful to Joe Hosey and other reporters. It’s good that someone is around to report the (IMO) stupid things Joel and Drew say.
When I read the reports about Kathleen’s death and the subsequent investigation, it makes my skin crawl.
How did so much just fall into the cracks?
I just feel so bad for her family.
noway – DrewPeterson is a mystical individual. I’ve never seen so many people fall into line as I have seen with the unfolding of his life.
What is it about this man that made people snap to it when he said to?
He’s not a governor of a major city, or a cabinet member, he’s a now retired police sgt from a small suburban police dept. Where did he get so much “power” to cause the chaos that is going on now, with one woman being exhumed and dirty players all around, and another missing, with questionable “street kids” helping the man out?
You have people from a former death panel saying they would reclassify their ruling “had they known,” they weren’t given information they know now. What the heck?
I just don’t get it!!!!
I have no answer for that. I just don’t get it either.
From http://www.acandyrose.com:
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: “And I should tell the viewers that after you called me with this — and frankly, I missed it, and I thought it was extraordinary – - good work, Mark — but we went back and looked at the transcript from the coroner’s jury, the one from May 1. And just so that the viewers know, is that the Illinois State Police, Herbert Hardy, was testifying, and he says, in part, “The only thing we’re waiting for now is some phone records, to find out if certain phone calls were made when they said they were made.” – “There’s another part where even a coroner’s juror member said to the witness, to the Illinois State Police witness, “Are they verifying the phone records, correct, that the calls were made?” The witness, “Yes, those take quite a while to get. So yes, we’ve got phone records coming from her phone, his phone, Steve’s phone and the rest of it. So yes, we still have to verify that.”
MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: “Now, the Illinois State Police agents that are [were ?] working on this, the detectives, they supposedly told the coroner’s inquest jury that they had phone records, but they were not — they had not yet received them as of May 1 [2004]. And of course, we know Kathleen Savio died March 1 [2004]. And in that — in those documents — in that testimony and in those documents, it states that, Well, we don’t believe that those phone records will give us any other outcome. Well, I started doing some research. Well, first, we know Drew Peterson and Stacy had Nextel. They keep those records for five years, luckily. But I cannot find anything at the county courthouse. I checked with them. There was no search warrants served in the name of Kathy Savio, Drew Peterson or Stacy Peterson in the year 2004.”
So, not only do you have Stacy giving Drew an alibi even though she knew he had killed Kathleen, you have Drew’s uncle being named executor of the estate, you have records that would collaborate Drew’s story never being ordered …
The whole thing is just mindboggling …
Good vs Evil
Yes!! Somehow Steve Peterson was part of Drews alibi.
Wait maybe that is steve m they are talking about.
Truth, I want to reply to you but I just start to ramble.
There is good and evil in everyone involved in this case.
Or Steve Carcerano … sp?
IMO there are just too many people named Steve in this case.
Quote: So yes, we’ve got phone records coming from her phone, his phone, Steve’s phone and the rest of it.
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I thought this meant Steve Carcerano because he was one of the people who found Kathleen.
Maybe Drew just has the magic mix that allowed him to get away for a while with misdeeds that would have caught up other people much sooner.
We know he has charisma ( I don’t really see it, but then I’m not 19, and he’s not schmoozing me at my boring job. At that age I did have friends who dated older married men…)
His job put him in a position of power.
His job also gave him a strong support network and the ability to escape prosecution for lesser misdeeds.
He seems like a regular and friendly guy (helps his neighbors, etc.)
He has a way of finding weak people, befriending them and then using them, putting them in a subordinate and dependent position.
Sometimes he reminds me a little of a charismatic church leader like Jim Jones. Jim Jones did great work for the poor and minorities. He gained the trust and admiration of people with his work and he convinced a thousand people to come with him to the jungle to build a utopia. He also convinced them to die with him. Obviously, DP is nowhere on the level of s Jim Jones, but I think the power of charisma just can not be underestimated.
I think that “Steve,” is the KS boyfriend, Steve. No his son.
That smiley wink totally placed itself there. Was supposed to be an end parentheses. Now it looks kind of dirty in a way I did not intend!
*embarrassed*
Quote: So yes, we’ve got phone records coming from her phone, his phone, Steve’s phone and the rest of it.
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Her phone (Kathleen’s)
His phone (Drew’s)
Steve’s phone (Steve Maniaci’s)
And the rest of it … (no idea)
Facsmiley …
Her phone might be Stacy’s too.
Since Mark is quoted as saying that no search warrant was issued on Stacy’s phone or Drew’s phone.
Wonder if they’re done now with the SP GJ witnesses? Except for the teen sons, who they’re still fighting over appearing, maybe they’re done. I don’t recall seeing much reporting about KS witnesses, except for the doctor who performed the second official autopsy.
I wonder if they would call Baden before the GJ for his findings, or if this is not allowed in the GJ? Curious about that.
I always read that quote to mean:
Her phone (Stacy’s)
His phone (Drew’s)
Steve’s phone (Carcerano)
Now i have no idea…
Many witnesses testified who were not “recognizable” by the press. And they chose to not comment on what they told the GJ.
I think the GJ can call anyone they want to.
facsmiley, on May 9th, 2008 at 3:03 pm Said:
I always read that quote to mean:
Her phone (Stacy’s)
His phone (Drew’s)
Steve’s phone (Carcerano)
Now i have no idea…
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I don’t know why they would look at Stacy’s phone records since at the time, Kathleen’s death was ruled an accidental drowning.
I can see why they would want them now.
I can see looking at Kathleen’s and Drew’s. And if the boyfriend said he talked to Kathleen two days before she was found, then his.
I’m not sure why they would want Steve Carcerano’s. I think all he did was find Kathleen’s body and possibly call 911. Not sure what happened then … did Drew get on his police radio and call for backup?
You know, putting aside any knowledge those teen sons had the morning/day/night that Stacy Peterson disappeared, wouldn’t it make sense that the GJ would question them about all aspects of their home/family life? Like, did their parents fight, were they loud about it, could they hear things?
Same goes for their home/family life with their dad and biological mother. I’ll never forget hearing this: (a cnn/Nancy Grace transcript):
JON LEIBERMAN, CORRESPONDENT, AMERICA`S MOST WANTED: ………. Yes. I mean Kathleen Savio in 2002 filed an order of protection saying, quote, “She feared Peterson would kill her.” She told her family over and over again that if anything happened to her, he would make it look like an accident.
And Nancy, I have to throw in something about the kids because kids do not lie. And the Savio family shared with us a Christmas card, a note to Santa Claus that one of their kids wrote. It said, quote, “All I want for Christmas is for daddy to stop hurting mommy and for daddy to give mommy a divorce.”
I wonder if the GJ would question that kid about that, and ask him “why did you ask for that? What did your daddy say and do????”
noway – Stacy’s phone records at time of KS investigation? Maybe he said he was with Stacy from XXX time to XXX time. So, if he said he was, he certainly wouldn’t be placing any calls to her phone during that time. Pretty benign, unless there IS a call during that time which they were supposed to be together.
Just a thought.
Stacy told the pastor (or at least he says) that she woke up alone and couldn’t find Drew so she called him over and over but he didn’t answer his phone.
I think that’s why Fuhrman was interested in why it was that the phone records were never produced.
Because if Drew was home in bed with Stacy (as was his alibi), why on earth would she be repeatedly calling him from her cell?
And the phone records would prove or disprove her attempts to call him.
The weird thing is that ISP stated that they had asked to see the phone records at the time of the inquest but Fuhrman discovered that there were no search warrants served for those phone records in 2004.
facs – isn’t that disgusting that those records were never requested and never looked at. Even after they were specifically referred to at the time of the hearing.
Seems like somebody was dong somebody else a favor. How could all of that go on? It’s sickening, that it all has to be re-investigated four years later. Who does Drew Peterson know??????
Corruption, though it may start in “low” places, thrives and strengthens increasingly as it spreads to the very “highest” of places.
I, for one, believe that is yet another reason why the FBI is involved, and also why the ISP & GJ are taking their time to make their cases as airtight as possible.
Bollingbrook may be considered “small town”, but Chicago certainly isn’t, so there could be quite a hell of alot of gladhanding going on. Takes more than one to tango, so where there is one dirty cop, there is usually at minimum one other- capice?
Oooooooooo- Italian with a Jewish British ex-pat accent- I just gave myself goosebumps! LOL!
Is that capisce or capice? Oh, hell- I give up on my damn spelling! ;-(
capiche
capisce!
There was a recent “tidbit” in the Chicago Sun Times from a regular columnist that a well known Will County Mayor is about the be indicted by the feds.
Hmmm. Sure sounds interesting!
Who’s next? Tipsville . . .
April 17, 2008
BY MICHAEL SNEED Sun-Times Columnist
Sneed hears the federal net is tightening around the neck of the mayor of a Will County suburb who is reportedly this/close to being indicted on public corruption charges by a federal grand jury.
Is another family member involved? Is it all about $$$$?
Yipper, I saw that too- was a bit of a fuss over it because some were hoping the article was slyly referring to the mayor of Bolingbrook about to have his balls in a sling. Haven’t heard anything about it since then, though- have you?
what is the overwhelming thoughts about steve c? negative and positive.
No, bash, but I do check her column every day. She was not reporting all this week – must be on vacation.
I just don’t know who else she would be referring to, but, who knows. We’ll just have to wait and see if it is the Bolingbrook mayor or someone else. There’s plenty of scandal to go around. Mayor Daley/Chicago sure can attest to that. He’s the teflon mayor.
That wasn’t Claar, from that article.
I’m thinking Romeoville, but too tired to look it up.
Oh, but Mayor DeWald resigned in February, and her tip kind of sounds like it’s a current mayor. Column was from April. I’m not clear on why the Romeoville Mayor resigned, but he was also arrested last year for a DUI, I think.
Facsmiley said:Because if Drew was home in bed with Stacy (as was his alibi), why on earth would she be repeatedly calling him from her cell?
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Of course, it makes sense that they would want Stacy’s records now because of what we know from Pastor Schori.
But when Kathleen died, and Stacy said that Drew was with her, would they have any reason to want her cell phone records then?
The quote is from May 1 (Kathleen died March 1, I believe). I was just trying to figure out who “hers” was.
theoriginalsami, on May 9th, 2008 at 7:02 pm Said:
what is the overwhelming thoughts about steve c? negative and positive.
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Steve Carcerano? I think he was innocent of anything having to do with Kathleen’s death.
I have heard that Drew paid off gambling debts for him, and I wonder whether he later felt that Drew had killed Kathleen and this was a payoff to keep quiet.
Maybe Drew just did it as a “we’re even now” kind of thing.
I haven’t seen any valid source for the debt being paid off … I mean that Steve C. told Greta or something like that.
I don’t think “valid” is what I meant to say … but cannot come up with what I mean. Very tired and not thinking straight.
I know what you mean, after I had to take 3 posts to say what I was trying to say about the phone calls, i decided to take a break.
Breaks are good. Me too. Just checking in once in a while.
‘-)
still the same three slinging the same dirt at the same guy i see?
reason i ask what the thoughts r about steve c. is that
some people accuse him of covering or even helping drew. wouldnt the same apply to stacy? not bashing just being realistic. if people can put steve c. under a microscope & they should, then we also have the right to put 4 years worth of siding with drew under a microscope.
I don’t think that Steve C had a hand in KS’s murder or cover up. I actually think he was and is an unwilling participant. I also think he’s a friend of Peterson’s, and he accepts him and everything about him, warts and all.
Maybe he has his doubts, but until he hears otherwise, I think, he sticks with Peterson, even if it is against what everyone else thinks. Remember, too, that since KS’s death, it’s been reported that his adult son, Eric, has nothing to do with him. So, it’s a personal issue within themselves, and only they can answer as to why they believe or don’t believe in a person.
JMO.
I guess ultimately we stand to find out more about Steve’s involvement than Stacy’s since he’s alive and his whereabout are known. We can’t really know if he’s been involved in anything illegal until some charges are made and testimony is presented.
I think it’s interesting that he sticks so closely to Drew when others have fled for the hills. So…it could be he’s just a very loyal friend who believes in Drew’s innocence. It might also be that he has some shared secrets that would make sticking close a good move (to his mind). He hasn’t lawyered up or anything yet, has he?
Yeah, it’s hard to figure out how a man’s son can disown him, but not his friend. Gets you thinking, doesn’t it?
On the other hand, Drew’s son Paul remains faithful. It must be awful when a family is split by this sort of thing. Think how Betty Morphey must be feeling.
Wait, Paul is his brother. I think I meant Steve.
Putting four years worth the siding with Drew Peterson relative to the death of Kathleen Savio gets you from (A) to (B).
(A) – she covered up for him and gave him an alibi, keeping silent for four years;
(B) – therefore, Drew killed Kathleen Savio.
What is the solution, then? She’s gone, so she can’t be prosecuted. He’s here, he can be.
facsmiley – if I were Betty Morphey, I think I’d be socking my idiot of a son for telling the media that I’m a senile old woman, merely because I was subpoened before the Grand Jury, not of my own free will. Now, that just goes to show you what a “man” Drew Peterson is. Calling his mother’s mental stability into question in case she said something to the Grand Jury that wasn’t favorable to him.
theoriginalsami, on May 10th, 2008 at 11:07 am Said:
reason i ask what the thoughts r about steve c. is that
some people accuse him of covering or even helping drew. wouldnt the same apply to stacy? not bashing just being realistic. if people can put steve c. under a microscope & they should, then we also have the right to put 4 years worth of siding with drew under a microscope.
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I don’t know that Steve C. covered up anything though. At least not at first. Does anyone know when Drew paid off SC’s gambling debts or whether that too is just rumor too?
It is hard to scrutinize Stacy because I didn’t know her and the only thing being reported is that she is missing and was a good mother who exchanged racy emails with her friends. Unless you have more you want to talk about?
I didn’t mean to exclude this:
Stacy told Pastor Schori Drew killed Kathleen and she (Stacy) knew this as of the date of Kathleen’s death and covered for Drew for the last four years.
Certainly she benefited since the alternative would have been single motherhood, which is difficult in the best of circumstances.
I don’t know, noway, this all reminds me of a childhood game. Red Rover. People took up sides, held hands and each individual tried to break through the linked arms of the other’s. Who was left standing was the winner. That’s about what all this comes down to, IMO.
Some think DP is guilty, but can’t let go of that dislike for Stacy, so they lash out at her by reasoning why she’s bad and leaving out why he’s not.
Some think Stacy, her family, her friends, her supporters, all contribute to the nuttiness of the whole thing and attack everything they do and stand for, solely, again, because they’ve reasoned that “Stacy is no saint.” Before anyone goes into attack mode, I am not all in favor of a lot of things they say or do, but that does not make then as bad or worse than the man they’re against and/or not supporting.
Poor Kathleen Savio is gone, taken away from being a mother to her two children. God rest her soul. But it is just as well known that she, too, was “the other woman.” Plenty of adversity to go around.
I would just rather discuss things Drew throws out there about how he is or is not involved, than discuss the skeletons in these women’s closets. I think he manages to draw attention to himself enough, without having to psychoanalyze why people supporting Stacy are crossing the line with some of the things they do.
JMHO.
sami – are you here?
OK…let’s twist it around and say that it’s Steve C. who has been missing for 6 months. Friends and relatives say that Drew controlled Steve, stalked him and threatened him. He told people that if he disappeared to look for him, that he was terrified of Drew. The police say there is only one suspect and that is Drew Peterson. It is suggested that Steve may have known about an earlier crime of Drew’s but never talked about it.
In the scenario, Stacy is alive and well, and she stays by Drew’s side and supports him.
So, I’d want to scrutinize Stacy. I’d wonder how much she knew and if she knew anything about Steve’s disappearance. The fact that Steve had some knowledge about Drew’s earlier crime would only indicate to me that he had a good motive for wanting Steve dead. So I wouldn’t be so interested in trying to indict Steve for any of his past sins of omission. I’d be way more interested in finding out where he went, if Drew killed him and why. Because Steve is gone and his murderer could very well be walking free and could kill again.
Something to think about, facsmiley. Good reasoning.
I’ve said it before: Everyone involved in this case is going to have their lives picked through with a find tooth comb.
Whether it is by law enforcement or the public or both.
I think t.o.sami’s point was that Stacy was in a way responsible for her disappearance. If you play with fire, you’re going to get burned.
Based on what the pastor said, I’m going to believe that Stacy knew from the day of Kathleen’s death that Drew had murdered her.
What in the world would make Stacy think she was not going to suffer the same fate … because she had the goods on him? Ha.
That would be the REASON she would suffer the same fate as Kathleen.
I’m not saying that she DESERVED to be missing or dead.
I’m just saying that it doesn’t make sense to me that she thought she was by any means safe.
Steve C. is scrutinized because he was with Drew when Kathleen was found and continues to stand by Drew. There are rumors that a debt of Steve’s was paid by Drew. All these things add up to why Steve was and continues to be scrutinized.
If Eric Peterson hasn’t had anything to do with Drew Peterson since KS’s death, obviously, he’d have nothing to offer by way of information to the GJ about SP, but I wonder if they have already or would have him appear regarding the death of KS?
I thought I’d read that he wasn’t happy with Drew marrying Stacy because she was so young. Maybe he knew something about Kathleen’s death? Or suspected something?
Wouldn’t that be questions that GJ would want to ask too, now that the KS death investigation is open again?
Is the grand jury only for the case of missing person Stacy Peterson?
Or is the grand jury also for murder victim Kathleen Savio?
I know the two are connected (pastor who knew Stacy says she told him Drew killed Kathleen) but would they call a separate grand jury to look into Kathleen’s murder?
That same GJ is hearing evidence on both cases, as well as Stebic.
The comparison of the two people, Stacy Peterson and Steve Carcerano, is a pretty limited one.
Here’s what they have in common:
Both were intimates of Drew Peterson
Here’s what they may have in common:
Might have (had) knowledge of crimes committed by Drew
Here’s how they are different:
Stacy was legally bound to her to husband, while Steve has no legal ties to Drew
Stacy was financially dependent on Drew and Steve is not
Stacy told someone that Drew had killed his third wife shortly before she went missing, while Steve has never spoken out about any misdeeds (that the public knows of)
Stacy was no longer on good terms with Drew and was taking steps to get away from him while Steve still appears to be close
Stacy has gone missing (and is probably dead) while Steve is still alive
at least im willing to admit that steve c. is no better of a human to go along with supposed crimes by drew. u state that stacy was legally bound to drew. only bound by choice. u state stacy was financially dependent, that proves people’s point of reaping the rewards of kathleens death with no guilt. four years & two babies later does not show remorse for either one of them. it took 4 whole years for her to come out with it. thats after she seemed to have found someone else romantically-text messages. i say they both are as criminally negligent as the next. missing or not.
OriginalSami, I’m not really saying or interested in who was the ‘better’ person morally. I’m just saying there’s not really too much basis for comparison between the two since they were really very different people and their relationships to Drew are very different. Also we have absolutlely no idea what Steve may or may not know about Drew, whereas with Stacy we do since she told someone.
I don’t really see the reasoning for trying to take a moral stand on whether one was a better person than the other. I just don’t see how it relates in finding out what happened to Stacy Peterson.
I do think that Stacy’s knowledge of Drew killing Kathleen was a huge motive for him wanting her dead. But that’s pretty much the only reason why I think that statement to the pastor is of any interest. But that’s just me. I can see that you want to take a moral stand. Personally, I’m just not interested in it.
facsmiley
nor am i interested in half the things u bring on here but for the interest of fair play, have to deal with it. when talking as people do here, about a possible murder case, then not one person involved gets immunity because it might hurt someones feelings. I say oh well. a person steps in mud, their feet are as dirty as the next fool who steps in the mud.
This is certainly going to be my last post about Stacy’s morality, or what some consider to be the lack of it.
If, and I assume it’s true, Stacy did cover up for Drew and kept the murder of Kathleen secret for four years, morally, and this is strictly my opinion, her God is the one she would have to answer to. And if the fate of Stacy is that she has been taken from this earth, than I believe her immortal soul has been judged.
She no longer has to fear anyone judging her mortal life.
id give u more credibility if u werent so demanding of the oneside of the issues-your issues & only ur issues. you sit in judgement of everyone BUT her, my point is all should be judged.
last post? what until you declare what is to be spoken about? how pompous is that? sorry, but it swings in every direction & again, I’m willing to see the flaws in drew, steve, brodsky because I am open minded, but ill be darned if i or others have to stay away from questioning ms. stacys movements during this whole thing. I do care about kathleen savio & i believe stacy peterson was a huge reason for it happening & her & drew getting away with it.
OS, you had an opinion that you wanted to state, which is fine. Why not go ahead and state it? Instead you asked everyone how they felt about comparing Steve C and Stacy when really you just wanted to say how you felt. Next time, maybe just say how you feel.
The thing is, I don’t even know that Steve C has any involvement in any crime whatesoever, so I’m in no position to judge him, much less try to compare his lack of moral fiber with a dead woman.
Why be judging Steve C?
Drew was cheating on his second wife, Vicki Connelly, and she divorced him because of that. He was cheating on her with Kathleen Savio. They had been married (Connelly and Peterson) ten years.
It’s well publicized and she has been quoted as saying that Drew Peterson told her could kill her and make it look like an accident.
Kathleen broke up a ten year marriage, and went on to have two babies with that man.
Stacy is a “huge reason” for it happening to Kathleen, you say? Then what is Kathleen’s excuse, if you’re going to go that route, for being the other woman while he was married to Vicki? She had no problem doing it, and having a family with him either. He threatened her, and you’re now saying that Stacy is responsible for that? Okay, your opinion.
Um, but could you answer this question, then? Who’s responsible for him threatening Vicki Connelly? Kathleen?
The difference, though, is that Vicki got out with her life.
If it’s OK to take a slight change of direction…
NOWAY said:
Based on what the pastor said, I’m going to believe that Stacy knew from the day of Kathleen’s death that Drew had murdered her.
What in the world would make Stacy think she was not going to suffer the same fate … because she had the goods on him? Ha.
That would be the REASON she would suffer the same fate as Kathleen.
I’m not saying that she DESERVED to be missing or dead.
I’m just saying that it doesn’t make sense to me that she thought she was by any means safe.
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I think Stacy probably would have been safe with Drew as long as she stayed under his control. But once she decided that she wanted to get away from him, once she started being interested in other men, obtaining he own cell phone, talking to a lawyer about a divorce and giving him a deadline for moving out of the house, she was already screwed.
My guess (and this is only my opinion) is that the final straw was telling him that she was going to go to the police about Kathleen if he didn’t let her go.
I think maybe she tried to bluff him. She probably thought that was the her big trump card, but it backfired in the worst possible way. I wasn’t smart, but she was young and probably never stopped to think that she was just as expendable as Kathleen.
I don’t understand what we’re being asked of here. I am not going to speak for anyone else, but I agree that Stacy is not blameless here. I can reason why she kept secret what she did, she was young, she was pregnant when it happened, she was afraid of Drew, and she learned to live with looking the other way. I agree to that. But, then that changed!
I just don’t understand why we’re fighting over the same thing over and over with sami, really I don’t. On one hand, sami, is saying we’re only judging Drew, Steve, and on and on, but we’re not judging Stacy and we’re not blaming her. No, I’m sorry, I totally disagree with that in my case. Where have I ever said that, or give that impression? But I draw the line when it comes to puttin’ the blame on Stacy for having a hand in Kathleen’s death. Why did she have a hand, sami, because she was the “other woman?” Again, so was Kathleen at one time!
Now, the issue at hand. If Stacy was coming to grips with the horror of keeping Kathleen’s fate a secret, and was beginning to emerge from it, what in the world was she to do? Wasn’t she beginning to see a lawyer. Do you know what she told him? I don’t. I’ve never seen her words printed, as far as what she told Attorney Smith.
But, I am not about to say I am turning my head when it comes to facts that are known about Stacy.
I judge Peterson by what I’ve seen of him in the press, and how he comes across personally to me on tv. I don’t like him, I don’t believe a word he says.
If you don’t like Stacy, that is your opinion, and you have an absolute right to feel that way, based on whatever criteria you use to get there.
I happen to disagree with you saying that I am ignoring what she did or didn’t do. That is not true. Period.
Well, to my eyes, Sami is not really fighting a battle with us. She’s expressing her frustration with the attitudes of some people at that site which will remain nameless. It doesn’t have anything to do with the conversation we’ve had here and that can be confusing or frustrating if you don’t have the mindset that she is railing against.
I think you stated yourself very well, Rescue.
what a farce, same three debating the same carp. kathleen still dead, stacy still missing. FSP having a big party to raise funds for someone they are never going go find. what makes me sick is that FSP has the nerve to associate kathleen and lisa stebic with this accessory to murder, homewrecker and all around you know what. get over it, peterson wont be brought to trial on any of this, you all are making him a celeberty. its only 3 of you, dont you see how stupid you look?
Just seems we keep chasing the proverbial tail, facsmiley!
:->
Chilly in Chicago, facsmiley. How about you?
Actually, Sami I owe you an apology. I shouldn’t have talked about you in the third person. You post and read here and I should have addressed you directly. I’m sorry.
kathleen didnt receive millions from the 2nd wife. kathleen never took the 2nd wife’s children. kathleen never helped in a possible murder by the husband. dont even compare the two. kathleen’s family hasn’t gone all over the internet and television talking trash. two totally different classes or at least how they act as classy or trash. kathleen allowed for stacy to be insured during her pregnancy. alot of thanks she got in return. no, they are completely different.
phew. nothing else to say.
Good night. Happy Mother’s Day.
It’s a cool one tonight, Rescue. No argument.
theoriginalsami, on May 10th, 2008 at 6:44 pm Said:
kathleen didnt receive millions from the 2nd wife. kathleen never took the 2nd wife’s children. kathleen never helped in a possible murder by the husband. dont even compare the two. kathleen’s family hasn’t gone all over the internet and television talking trash. two totally different classes or at least how they act as classy or trash. kathleen allowed for stacy to be insured during her pregnancy. alot of thanks she got in return. no, they are completely different.
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You’re judging on assumptions.
A. Stacy didn’t receive millions from Kathleen. It was placed in a trust for the sons of Drew and Kathleen. Don’t you think if they were spending that money it would have been all over the news/media by now?
B. Stacy didn’t TAKE Kathleens children. They were on visitation as any other children are in a divorce. She adopted them legally AFTER Kathleen died.
C. You DON’T know all the specifics in regards to “helping in a possible murder” of Kathleen. We can only go by what Pastor Schori stated and even at that …there was much left out that perhaps can have a whole new outlook once the trial occurs.
D. I don’t know where you are getting that Stacy’s family is “all over the internet and television talking trash”? Cassandra did a few interviews at the onset and if you go back and review them…there was no TRASH talk. If you’re referencing people in blogs and boards…well that is NOT Stacy’s family.
E. Kathleen was considerate of the fact that Stacy was pregnant…where you get she “allowed” Stacy to be insured is beyond me because Drew carried the insurance…….and you don’t know Stacy…you don’t know what she did to keep Kathleen’s memory alive for the boys…one thing we do know is she took very good care of them, loved them as her own, had their mothers pictures in each of their bedrooms and had their mothers pictures on the wall of the family home.
To talk trash about either one of them is pretty sad considering neither Kathleen NOR Stacy are here to tell their sides. Where is the respect? Can’t you talk about a case without having to bash the victims? Because invariably that is what your doing by presenting your thoughts in the format that you did above.
How about waiting until the REAL FACTS are presented? The only thing we know FOR SURE…is that Drew was a cheating husband, he abused his wives, he dated a 17 year old girl at 46 years old, he was controlling and invasive, he stalked previous girlfriends and wives, his story’s don’t make sense, he did unsavory things as a policeman, he abused his job as a policeman, he surrounded himself with some very shady characters, and not one…but TWO wives have both told people that “Drew is going to kill me”. So you tell me who is the underdog here. It’s not Stacy….and it’s not Kathleen.
What I am not understanding at this point is how people can point at an assortment of flowers and say that it does harm to the children, and in the next post type out biased and hateful comments about a woman they don’t know with no consideration of how that might make a child feel to see it. I don’t believe for a moment that the concerns I see posted here have anything to do with Kathleen’s or Stacy’s children.
These posts are all about someone’s need to be right, someone’s hurt feelings at being shunned or banned from a web site.
For shame.
facsmiley – we need to move on, I’m afraid. I really don’t think we’re on the same page with the conversation and debates we keep getting into over this. No matter how many times I clarify my feelings/statements/remarks, it’s not good enough. We just keep going around and around in circles. I’ve made myself quite clear that I don’t like Drew Peterson based on what I’ve seen of him, I don’t believe a word he says, and I can conclude quite reasonably that he has done some dastardly things.
If some would admit their “true” feelings, maybe we could move on from this stale debate.
This bitterness and anger over how someone thinks others should act is just mind boggling.
How can one can so angry and lash out at a missing mother over things that have nothing to do with bringing her back, or solving the mystery surrounding her.
Rescue, in my mind it comes down to two explanations, neither of which have anything to do with an interest in finding justice.
lavanda u need a valium. maybe your constant novel lengthed posts could be cut short to just a few pages.
bash? you are a hypocrite dear lavanda. who gives u the right to bash anyone? or do we go by lavanda on who can question. now read carefully:
I dont give a crap about the pastor. now read on, ur lovely angel stacy gave the cops drews alibi, FOUR years ago. way before the pastor of which u cant seem to get ur head out of.
circles rescueapet? give it a break. when someone wont conform to ur ideaology of who should be bashed, then we’re conversing in circles. just because someone went missing does not make them a saint & no matter how much ur cult like actions try to make people think, stacy peterson was trailer trash.
there, u wanted my true feelings. u got them. lavonda, i never bashed kathleen. never. so dont try lumping my feelings about stacy as the same for kathleen. facts that are facts in this case dont make stacy peterson look good. the only halos put on her is from a bunch of family members & their fanatics but if u took all that “talk” away, the facts look bad about her. kathleen on the other hand was much more of a class act. i don’t go around promoting pinatas but u do lavonda, don’t u? yea, real nice for the kids. not only drews but all the kids that were at the fundraiser. dont even have the smarts to keep that stuff away from kids yet u want me to swallow ur nonstop posts on every forum in the sky? lavonda, get off ur high horse & check ur posts out before u accuse me of talking trash. i took the liberty of checking out some of ur posts on different forums & some r downright disgusting. including the pinata. rescueapet i like horses too. hmmmm.
Since you’ve directed a line to me about horses, let me just address that. I saw you ask me that the other night, and your post was deleted. You asked me a question the other night, and I answer you in a courteous, dignified way, something you have a hard time comprehending.
Horses? Only you know what you are talking about. If you want to cut the cryptic stuff and tell me what it is you’re getting at, maybe we can get someplace.
So, what’s your point? Horses?
To me there is a woman dead and another either dead or missing (depending on what you want to believe). We only know maybe a 1/4 (if that) of what the pd knows. Will we know the complete truth about everything? No we will not, there will be things that are never let out to the public. We can speculate all we want on people but it doesn’t change the fact that there is one dead and another either dead or missing. Personally I’m glad I’m not part of the pd or grand jury on this, with how people want instant results, it has to be alot of pressure on the people in the pd and gj.
facsmiley, on May 10th, 2008 at 11:13 pm Said:
What I am not understanding at this point is how people can point at an assortment of flowers and say that it does harm to the children, and in the next post type out biased and hateful comments about a woman they don’t know with no consideration of how that might make a child feel to see it. I don’t believe for a moment that the concerns I see posted here have anything to do with Kathleen’s or Stacy’s children.
These posts are all about someone’s need to be right, someone’s hurt feelings at being shunned or banned from a web site.
For shame.
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Certainly hope you’re not talking about me as I can assure you I’m neither hurt nor shunned. Was a little upset at the onset, but not because I was banned…because of WHY I was banned. Due to another poster and her lies. As for harboring feelings due to that about the entire site……..To each their own, I say. No biggie in my life.
theoriginalsami, on May 10th, 2008 at 6:44 pm Said:
“kathleen didnt receive millions from the 2nd wife.”
TRUE, because the 2nd wife did not die, so there was nothing for her to inherit. However, Stacy also did not inherit anything of Kathleen’s- DiP and his sons did.
“kathleen never took the 2nd wife’s children.”
TRUE AND FALSE, as Kathleen was a very active stepmum, and she did, in fact, help raise Steve and Eric.
“kathleen never helped in a possible murder by the husband.”
UNKNOWN, though I believe that is most likely an accurate statement.
“dont even compare the two.”
WHATEVER. You have your opinions, and I have mine. You don’t get to tell me what to do, bucko.
“kathleen’s family hasn’t gone all over the internet and television talking trash.”
OBJECTION, as this statement is based solely on what your definition of “talking trash”, which may or may not be the opinion of others.
“two totally different classes or at least how they act as classy or trash.”
OBJECTION, AGAIN, as this statement is based solely on your opinion of what constitutes “class” and “trash”, which may or may not be the opinion of others.
“kathleen allowed for stacy to be insured during her pregnancy.”
FALSE, as Kathleen was not in charge of allowing Stacy to have insurance, or anything else, for that matter.
“alot of thanks she got in return.”
UNKNOWN, as you have no idea what, if anything, Stacy ever thanked Kathleen for.
“no, they are completely different.”
DUH, they are two different individuals, and as such, each have their own physical and mental characteristics, thoughts, and behaviors.
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theoriginalsami, on May 10th, 2008 at 11:41 pm Said:
lavanda u need a valium. maybe your constant novel lengthed posts could be cut short to just a few pages.
bash? you are a hypocrite dear lavanda. who gives u the right to bash anyone? or do we go by lavanda on who can question. now read carefully:
I dont give a crap about the pastor. now read on, ur lovely angel stacy gave the cops drews alibi, FOUR years ago. way before the pastor of which u cant seem to get ur head out of.
circles rescueapet? give it a break. when someone wont conform to ur ideaology of who should be bashed, then we’re conversing in circles. just because someone went missing does not make them a saint & no matter how much ur cult like actions try to make people think, stacy peterson was trailer trash.
there, u wanted my true feelings. u got them. lavonda, i never bashed kathleen. never. so dont try lumping my feelings about stacy as the same for kathleen. facts that are facts in this case dont make stacy peterson look good. the only halos put on her is from a bunch of family members & their fanatics but if u took all that “talk” away, the facts look bad about her. kathleen on the other hand was much more of a class act. i don’t go around promoting pinatas but u do lavonda, don’t u? yea, real nice for the kids. not only drews but all the kids that were at the fundraiser. dont even have the smarts to keep that stuff away from kids yet u want me to swallow ur nonstop posts on every forum in the sky? lavonda, get off ur high horse & check ur posts out before u accuse me of talking trash. i took the liberty of checking out some of ur posts on different forums & some r downright disgusting. including the pinata. rescueapet i like horses too. hmmmm.
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lol. You have no clue. It’s obvious you just see what you want and believe what you want. You say you don’t give a hoot about Pastor Schori…yet you’re basing the theory that Stacy covered for Drew for four years…without the full knowledge of what transpired. And you call me a hypocrite? What if it comes out that Pastor Schori was not telling the truth? Then what? Far as you and I know…WE DON’T KNOW. We can only assume. However, you’ve built hate around your assumptions. To call someone trailer trash is very concerning when you don’t even know the woman or have a clue as to what really transpired in her life. You’re only going by your hypocrite and biased opinions. Shame on you.
As for the pinata’…not sure where you came up with that at…because I had nothing whatsoever to do with the pinata. Nada. Zippo. Zilch. Can you comprehend?
LaVonda, she wasn’t talking about you.
Facsmiley wasn’t talking about you, I mean.
I really oughta start proofreading my posts before I click… DOH!
basherette, on May 11th, 2008 at 4:06 am Said:
this statement is based solely on your opinion of what constitutes “class” and “trash”, which may or may not be the opinion of others.
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It’s the kettle calling the pot black, basherette. She proved her lack of class when she felt the need to take personal attacks on posters and name calling. Clearly she is not one to judge on class.
scott15, on May 11th, 2008 at 3:40 am Said:
To me there is a woman dead and another either dead or missing (depending on what you want to believe). We only know maybe a 1/4 (if that) of what the pd knows. Will we know the complete truth about everything? No we will not, there will be things that are never let out to the public. We can speculate all we want on people but it doesn’t change the fact that there is one dead and another either dead or missing. Personally I’m glad I’m not part of the pd or grand jury on this, with how people want instant results, it has to be alot of pressure on the people in the pd and gj.
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I agree Scott15. The mere fact that the GJ is taking a good solid long time surely says to me that they are building one heck of an intricate case. For the record, while 7 months seems long for onlookers…there are cases that have taken much longer. I respect that they are being very thorough.
Well, yes, I’m afraid she/he made it quite clear that she/he must read Emily Post quite infrequently, unfortunately…
Ditto, Scott15, ditto!
This, indeed, IS what it all comes down to…
Gotta ask…So, TheOriginalSami….what’s your thoughts on Drew? Just curious. Have you shined his halo today? What I do know as facts is…even despite the fact that Kathleen is dead, and Stacy is presumably dead….. that Drew Peterson is a despicable person…just in knowing that he was a 46 year old 3-time MARRIED man, a police officer, and courting a 17 year old girl. You want to talk trailer trash? That is FAR beyond trailer trash, in my book of opinions….errrrrrr…should I have said in my novel of opinions? As for class? That statute of the cop holding the little girls hand is a sick insult to police departments everywhere. It’s not funny. It’s not sweet. It’s downright sick…and talk about lack of class? DP presents it to the media with a chuckle?
theoriginalsami, on May 10th, 2008 at 11:41 pm Said:
lavonda, get off ur high horse
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What is it with you and horses anyhow?
I think the “horse” fixation was a Freudian slip of his/hers…
One that I do NOT want to know more about, please, thank you G*d!
Now, I don’t think the horse fixation was a Freudian slip.
The other night, one particular poster was trying to “out” me as me amya. Putting 2 + 2 together, I guess, was the reasoning. The poster was truthis. Said something like a very good friend of hers rescues pets too. I thought she was on the up and up, but she wasn’t. I had no clue who she was talking about. But, since my screen name fit her stab-in-the-dark assumption, she let her imagination kick-in.
Yesterday, I got the shock of all when I saw a couple of posts on “the” forum referring to a main member’s nephew. A horrible thing happened to him, but we’ll just leave it at that. (I prayed for that baby!)
I, of course, now “get it” who truth was trying to “out” me as. AmyA. Well, if I am not mistaken, the all knowing sam-the-slam is running with it, and thinks my “pompous” self must be her. Maybe not. I don’t know if that lady rescues animals, maybe horses. I don’t know her personally.
So, hence, my explanation here. I just have to say one thing.
When sami starts treating me with civility and respect, I will return it with kind. Otherwise, go blow hot air somewhere else. You’re schtick is getting old.
A QUOTE FROM SAMI:
circles rescueapet? give it a break. when someone wont conform to ur ideaology of who should be bashed, then we’re conversing in circles. just because someone went missing does not make them a saint & no matter how much ur cult like actions try to make people think, stacy peterson was trailer trash.
I’ll just let this speak for itself. No need to answer to any of this. It’s garbage, and when I have garbage, I throw it out.
lavonda what part is it that you don’t read? are u too busy writing novel lengthed posts? i have stated over & over & over again that i think drew is dispicable. did u read that? for crying out loud. no halo there! no halo on stacy either but because i don’t bow down to the illusions that are put out about her, then that must mean im in drews corner. IM NOT. nor am i blind enough not to see stacy peterson is nothing like kathleen savio who did not do the things stacy did. period. how is it that u ignore what stacy told the cops FOUR years ago? she reaped the rewards of kathleens death & that is a fact. drew reaped the rewards of kathleens death & thats a fact. lavonda if the savios made a pinata out of stacy peterson back then u would have a fit, yet u & the kool aid drinkers think it’s appropriate to do nutcase things like that at drew peterson, with his kids, older kids that can hear & see these things. Not to mention the kids at the fundraiser. im trying to point out that this stuff has gone way too far & there are no angels in stacy or drew but at least i dont have matching pinatas for the both of them.
rescueapet
no not amya. not talking about her but u already know that.
Once more Sami, you’re expressing your frustration with the activities of some people who post at a certain website. Why do you feel the need to drag that into conversations here, with people who don’t particpate there nor represent the place?
I think you’ve made your opinions about that group clear, over and over again. When no one takes the bait, you feel the need to elevate your tone, call names, point fingers and ignore what other people are saying.
Whenever people here want to discuss the particulars of the case in a clearheaded manner, you try to steer the conversation back to that topic – which we aren’t allowed to discuss here. And your post above is exactly why.
facsmiley
no i dont think u get that just because 3 of u want to stay on one particular subject-bashing drew, does not mean that if someone comes in & raises points on stacy or others that they are bashing. u state u want to speak of the particulars, well lets talk. ALL of the particulars. stacy included. its obvious that speaking about her actions is some kind of threat to the veiled halo that has been thrust upon her & shoved down everyone elses throats. ill stay off of fsp subject, but i wont stay off of ALL the characters here, and that includes stacy’s actions as well.
lavonda, u should recheck the millions of posts u post before u deny certain things.
theoriginalsami, on May 11th, 2008 at 9:50 am Said:
rescueapet
no not amya. not talking about her but u already know that.
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Who? Why the big secret. You like playing games?
Garbage. I throw out garbage.
I just logged on to check the lastest posts, and it’s just amazing how things can turn upside down on this blog on a daily basis. Sami, we all are aware that Stacy gave Drew an alibi, and THAT FACT, in my opinion, is why she’s no longer here. Calling Tracy trailer trash and demeaning her family, plus telling other posters on here that they need medication for what they post as their opinions, not to mention calling people names such as hypocrites, nutcases, and whatever else you’ve called people on here just lets everyone posting know what kind of person YOU are. You can’t seem to come on here and be civil to anyone on here, EVER! You’ve made your point over and over and over and over and over, and won’t let go of it. WE GET IT ALREADY!!! You don’t have any respect for Stacy, PERIOD!! And you’re trying to sway everyone else to feel the same, or garner sympathy for yourself because no one seems to agree with you. Poor Sami….she’s the only one “smart” enough to figure out what Stacy did. Well, let me tell you!! There are lots of others who feel the same way about Stacy covering up for Drew, including me, but I find it very CRASS, as well and a total exhibition of lack of class and any form of manners whatsoever to come on here and bad mouth a person who is no longer here to defend herself, who also has four children at home on Mother’s Day with NO MOTHER to share it with. Didn’t you say once on here that you have FIVE children? Count your blessings and theirs that you are able to spend today with them and share their love for you. Stacy can’t do that today, but you can. She made some mistakes, but she paid for them with her life. Happy Mother’s Day Sami.
The three of us? Well, I don’t want to speak for anyone else, but I’m not paying attention to anything you say anymore. You’re cruel, your vicious, you won’t engage in civil, respectful debates, and your just baiting and looking for someone to argue with.
If fact, half of what you say is gibberish and doesn’t even make any sense.
Stacy was trailer trash? Who the heck talks like that? Can’t you defend a position without lowering yourself to name calling?
I have to say that my opinion of Stacy’s adoption of Kris and Thom took a creepy twist when I found that she had been Drew’s alibi but KNEW that he had killed Kathleen. Again, I’m trusting what the Pastor says is true.
Possibly, she adopted them out of guilt.
Possibly, she wanted to be able to provide for them if Drew went to prison.
Remember, according to Drew, none of Kathleen’s family wanted anything to do with the children. Maybe Stacy believed that. I think she believed most if not all of what Drew told her about other people. Until maybe she heard what he said about her family, and knew it was not true?
I do think that once she showed she was not under Drew’s control (asking for a divorce), she became expendable.
It occured to me that might be why Steve C. continues to support Drew. He knows what the consequences could be. But then again, Ric Mims probably knows too, and he has publicly turned his back on Drew.
I saw lots of widespread conversation over the last few days, but just one poster who has only one topic to discuss, who baited people into discussing it and who, when people don’t agree with her, becomes aggressive and insulting.
If you’d like to see the documentation of the baiting it starts out with OriginalSami asking what everyone thought about Steve C “negative and postive”, hoping people would bash Steve so that she could then call them out for not bashing Stacy the same way. Of course, no one took the bait, nevertheless she worked herself up into a frenzy and 24 hours later…finally has the hateful rant that she wanted to say all along. Unfortunately, it comes complete with accusations, name calling and fury because everyone doesn’t immediately jump up and agree with her.
I hope you feel better OSami, now that it’s out of your system. Are you done now? May we move on?
Happy Mother’s Day to all you moms.
And no matter what labels anyone attaches to Stacy, or Kathleen for that matter, neither of them deserved to be taken from their families.
They are victims.
Their kids don’t deserve this either. They deserve to know what happened to their moms.
o.t.sami, if a witness comes forward and testifies under oath that Steve Carcerano knew that Drew had murdered Kathleen and kept quiet about it, I’m sure I will have a different opinion of him.
I can’t find anyone or anything that verifies that he knows and the payoff of his gambling debts are hush money for what he knows about Kathleen’s death.
Time for all of us to move on from sami mode.
Just in case anyone on here might not have see, here is a report about the “funraiser” this weekend and Brodsky’s comments.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=6513075&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Guess he’s out of his own ideas. Gets them spoon fed to him now from blogs, his admirers. Questions about fundraisers. Questions about there not being enough evidence after six months to charge his client.
You know, it’s down right coincidental that those same, exact accusations have been blogged right here! Word for word, day in and day out. Think he reads the blogs? Nah. He must of come up with those ideas all by himself, he’s so smart.
By the way, the part with the Illinois Revenue Agents closing down the last fundraiser must have gotten cut off of the video I watched, because I didn’t see it. Anybody else see that? Because I am relatively confident that they would have been there to do so, what with all that scamming going on. The Illinois Department of Revenue and/or the Internal Revenue Service Agents have Brodsky to help them run a tight ship.
Nothing left for Brodsky to do then, since if there’s no charges of crimes, there’s no need for Peterson to have a lawyer.
I say, thank goodness Brodsky has a telephone ringing off the hook with prospective clients, since he’s shown all the druggies, thieves and felons what a great bargain he is for the money.
Need a lawyer? Call Brodsky. He’ll set you with all the talking heads and get you world-wide recognition. Maybe he’ll even write about you in his upcoming book.
theoriginalsami said: how is it that u ignore what stacy told the cops FOUR years ago? she reaped the rewards of kathleens death & that is a fact. drew reaped the rewards of kathleens death & thats a fact. lavonda if the savios made a pinata out of stacy peterson back then u would have a fit, yet u & the kool aid drinkers think it’s appropriate to do nutcase things like that at drew peterson, with his kids, older kids that can hear & see these things. Not to mention the kids at the fundraiser. im trying to point out that this stuff has gone way too far & there are no angels in stacy or drew but at least i dont have matching pinatas for the both of them.
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I am not about to speak ill or my opinons about somebody that anything that they’ve said or done has not been substantiated. Why do you think I wrote “FACTS” about Drew Peterson? Let me repost the FACTS….and by the way, your basing your assumption Stacy knew Drew was involved with Kathleens death merely by Pastor Schori’s words. What if HE is not telling the truth? Hence…since it is not FACTS as yet……..I have nothing to say about Stacy Peterson being unsavory and/or trailer trash as you’re so quick to point out. I do know however, that THESE ARE FACTS:
The only thing we know FOR SURE…is that Drew was a cheating husband, he abused his wives, he dated a 17 year old girl at 46 years old, he was controlling and invasive, he stalked previous girlfriends and wives, his story’s don’t make sense, he did unsavory things as a policeman, he abused his job as a policeman, he surrounded himself with some very shady characters, and not one…but TWO wives have both told people that “Drew is going to kill me”.
Got it yet?
With all due respect, Lavanda, I think it was three wives. Vicki Connelly said he could kill her and make it look like an accident.
Kathleen Savio spoke out numerous times about her fear of him killing her.
Stacy Peterson claims to have told her Pastor she had fears of him, but, putting that person aside, her sister told her if anything happened to her, it was he who did it.
If I’m wrong, I stand corrected.
Good afternoon… and Happy Mother’s Day. I’ll have to read posts to catch up… it looks like
rescueapet, on May 11th, 2008 at 5:21 pm Said:
With all due respect, Lavanda, I think it was three wives. Vicki Connelly said he could kill her and make it look like an accident.
Kathleen Savio spoke out numerous times about her fear of him killing her.
Stacy Peterson claims to have told her Pastor she had fears of him, but, putting that person aside, her sister told her if anything happened to her, it was he who did it.
If I’m wrong, I stand corrected.
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Make that 3. SB stated that Stacy sat down on the curb crying her eyes out a week before she disappeared and after putting his boxes of stuff in the garage. She told SB that “I’m not going to live”.
I hope all had a wonderful Happy Mother’s Day as well. Thanks all who posted the same wishes.
It sure was a rainy, gloomy day weather-wise. Good day to chill out and relax. I hope everyone had a good Mother’s Day too.
Well….. I’m caught up now… LOL
Sami…. I would like to say that I don’t think anyone would have a problem with your disagreements on issues, if you could just state your position without all of the venom.
I actually agree with some of your statements, but only to a point.
I don’t think Stacy lived an angelic life. I think she was a gullible and naive teenager who was swayed by a man of authority and charm. Yes… charm.
People often wonder what the ladies see in him. (Me, too!) A reporter, doing an article for a magazine did a blog story of his experiene in Bolingbrook as he did interviews. I won’t go into his whole story, but he said that what surprised him, was that Drew was the most charming of the bunch. (So was Ted Bundy!)
I don’t know Stacy. I don’t know what her circumstances were. I don’t care if she was a prostitute on skid row. (NO…she wasn’t). She didn’t deserve to become….uh…. missing. Nor did Kathleen deserve to have an “accident” in a dry bathtub.
As a Trial Watcher… I probably wouldn’t bash Drew too much, but it’s too darn easy ‘cuz he’s such an unlikable guy. He may be charming on a one to one basis, and he may be trying that with America….BUT… he only comes off as a total uncaring, unbelievable, lying, self-centered AH.
If Stacy or Kathleen were alive and acting like Drew, we’d be Bad Mouthing their behavior, too.
Personally, I don’t know if Drew killed those women… although I lean towards “yes”. I bad mouth Drew Peterson and Joel Brodsky because they act like unscrupulous idiots.
Yes, JurorThirteen…and I agree with your post and you brought up a very good point…Neither Stacy nor Kathleen are here to “plead their cases” nor the rumors that are surrounding them and their lifestyles…but Drew is and that is why the conversations have escalated of people’s opinions. He no doubt may have been…and is (?) a charmer, however…his actions in dating a 17 year old girl, at 46 and 3 times married, is enough to make me see him as dispicable.
And, remember, obviously Brodsky/Peterson read this blog, as well as others, because Brodsky’s statement yesterday about the fundraiser, in addition to his babble about LE not having enough evidence on Peterson, is just about word-for-word what gets hammered out here day in and day out, over and over again.
Brodsky says that there’s not enough evidence. I think it may be the opposite.
The Grand Jury was only scheduled to go for 4 months in the beginning. Now it may go on until next November. I think they have to extend it because there’s so much evidence and it keeps growing.
I can’t help but wonder if they have more on Peterson than the possibilites of 2 murders.
I can’t help but wonder about the drug shake downs etc… in his past…
If you haven’t read this old article…. please read it. This should make for an interesting discussion.
It’s an interview from one of Kathleen’s friends with Steve Huff.
http://www.truecrimeweblog.com/2007/11/disappearance-of-stacy-peterson-what.html
Till this day, I will never, ever understand how KS could sound off all of those alarms, including her sister making a statement at the time of her death to look into the possibility of foul play, and he was cleared, she was buried, and he went on to live his life as he saw fit. I just can’t understand how all of the players in that sick scenario fell into place. It could not have been an easy task for Peterson to get past the accusations without scrutiny. How in the world did that happen??????
One word:
CORRUPTION
I very much wonder about those cell phone records and why ISP states they asked for them, and yet no warrant was served.
Is it too late?
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How is is that phone records were referred to, as in saying they were being requested to validate an alibi, but that never went any further? Who was responsible for following through on that, or was it they were found, but kept quiet?
Phone records are kept for 5 years, so yes, they are still available.
By this time, LE (with the FBI assistance), should have already obtained a warrant for the records, served it and received them.
The investigating police officers of the death of Kathleen Savio bear the responsibility for securing and serving the warrant for the phone records. If no warrants were requested, then the buck stops with the investigating officers.
Wonder how many of ‘em were close buddies of DiP’s?
By the way, to all our beautiful mums here:
HAPPY MOTHERS’ DAY FROM THE FROZEN NORTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
basherette, on May 11th, 2008 at 7:02 pm Said:
One word:
CORRUPTION
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That’s what I’m thinking, too.
I have always had a problem with where the 25K came from that Stacy supposedly took from his safe.
The site’s getting sloooow again…. is it me or too much posting?
juror – They’re doing new pages every day, so there will be a new one in the morning.
Jurorthirteen, cash from a safe is so hard to prove. I certainly don’t have $25,000 hanging around in a home safe.
Is that normal for a police officer from Bolingbrook with 29 years in the service?
Not only did the death investigation breeze through, but how did a lawyer for the boys and the estate get kicked off in Probate Court and Drew’s uncle slid in? Who’s in charge of that mess, do you think?
Hell yeah, it’s perfectly normal- if he’s a corrupt cop…
I know what you mean. However… it’s now part of his alibi…..Hahahahaaaaahaaa… He’s the one who will have to account for it… and………… I’m sure his banking records are being looked into, especially after that statement.
Drew…… “what cha gonna do when they come for you???”
Speaking of alibis. Whatever he gave as an alibil, wherever he said he was, whatever she said he was doing, he can’t change it now. He’s stuck with what he said at the time, and now that the real police are going to go over everything, maybe someone will make sense out of this whole thing.
rescueapet, on May 11th, 2008 at 7:35 pm Said:
Not only did the death investigation breeze through, but how did a lawyer for the boys and the estate get kicked off in Probate Court and Drew’s uncle slid in? Who’s in charge of that mess, do you think?
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Funny how that happened….. hmmmm? LOL
I heard in an on-line paper, that the mayor is in trouble. Does anyone know what that’s about?
I thought that DiP’s uncle- who was named as the executor of the Savio estate- appointed a different lawyer for the boys (or did he appoint himself?), so that’s how the boys’ original lawyer got sacked.
Darn it… I need to go find and read some links about this…
whatever “he” said he was doing. Doesn’t really matter what Stacy said, She’s not here anymore to confirm it.
I’d be looking into the guy who let him back on the force after the drug stuff, too.
J-13
About the mayor … not sure if it’s Bolingbrook mayor or the Romeoville mayor. Both are a piece of work.
I’d go look for this stuff on my site, but I’m sitting here in a towel drying off after a hot bath…… and I’m just too darn lazy.
Can I blame it on Mother’s Day??? LOL
Haven’t heard squat about the upcoming corruption scandal at all…
Maybe any leaks about it were quickly sealed by LE/FBI, cause it’s turning out to be a real whopper?
Mmmmmmm… a hot bath sounds like heaven to me right now…
Be back later, friends!
I’ll see if I can find the story. I don’t think I did a peice on it, but I MAY still have it on file somewhere…
BRB
juror – the mayor thing is unclear. noway’s right, the Romeoville mayor is in a whole heap of trouble, but he resigned in February, so I’m not sure if that’s the mayor the columnist was talking about. It sounds like it’s current mayor.
jurorthirteen, on May 11th, 2008 at 7:45 pm Said:
I’ll see if I can find the story. I don’t think I did a peice on it, but I MAY still have it on file somewhere…
BRB
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I couldn’t find the article….sorry
I did not get to meet her I was to busy chasing grandkids LOL Never heard how much money.
How many people showed up?
Carol Penning was as sweet in person as stuff I had read about her. She put the fun raiser together even though she buried her sister last week.
Wow…. sad about her sister. How sweet she came to the event.
I was there about an hour and I would say 50 people then.
Cool
Good question!
I guess you are right Noway.
When you say “they” are you possibly talking about Admin? Maybe they have an interest in each other…. I’m not trying to spread a rumor.
I met my hubby and had a long distance relationship with him. I know they met last March…. who knows ?
noway406, on May 11th, 2008 at 7:34 pm Said:
Jurorthirteen, cash from a safe is so hard to prove. I certainly don’t have $25,000 hanging around in a home safe.
Is that normal for a police officer from Bolingbrook with 29 years in the service?
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Drew was tight with his money and Stacy. I understand he kept every penny she had accounted for. Does anyone really even believe she would have known the passcode to the safe? Not me. Don’t believe it.
I think it is cool. They both work hard to find stacy and it seems to have brought them together.
I don’t believe it either, Lavanda. I’m sure when money was spent he knew about it. It’s another form of control.
jurorthirteen, on May 11th, 2008 at 8:19 pm Said:
I don’t believe it either, Lavanda. I’m sure when money was spent he knew about it. It’s another form of control.
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I agree. I recall Cassandra saying that he would never allow her to have any cash…I recall a story she told of Stacy running in with a Starbucks card to buy a Salvation Army bell ringer a hot choc at Xmas…. and I can see his personality as not allowing her any cash…Cash is hard to trace. No way would I believe she knew a combination to a safe.
I’m going to go to your site Lavanda, I’ll check in with you there
basherette, on May 11th, 2008 at 7:44 pm Said:
Haven’t heard squat about the upcoming corruption scandal at all…
Maybe any leaks about it were quickly sealed by LE/FBI, cause it’s turning out to be a real whopper?
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I’m sure they have many things to investigate regarding DP that we are not aware, as yet. Such as a Sgt on the police force with a lot of excess cash, a safe, a private plane. I’m sure they have scrutinized everything from where he’s been on that plane and who he’s met up with. For all we know he could have been drug running. One never knows till the handcuffs come out. (Cracks me up that Brodsky is soooooo confident that DP will not be arrested. Good gracious. Unless the whole state of IL is corrupt….he’s going in handcuffs.)
I’ve always wondered why HE was so sure he’d be arrested when he did his first interview on the Today show with Matt Lauer.
Lauer asked him if he thought about the death penalty and Drew actually said “yes” but that his kids were taken care of.
Sounds like a slip-up to me!
I would like to know that the money I gave is being used for searches, and not forum member travel expenses. Just my opinion. Sorry if anyone is offended, but this is the way I feel about it.
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And I agree with your statement 100%, CFS. I for one have not donated anymore and will no longer. Should the FSP Fund records be made public and it’s put to rest that a 24-hr blogger was not paid for “in the name of a spokesperson”…then I may rethink donating. Until then…not a penny.
Ok. My hot bath is calling me now. Have a great eve and a good week, all.
J13, I’ll catch up w you tomorrow eve. Night all.
Im really disgusted with the truthisthere,I heard of her and her friends chatting with Drew in a bar. So what are you doin truth.In fact you met up with Steve Cessarano right?
Only you would know truth. Why dont you tell everybody what you did this weekend.
Right, I figured as much.
Duece, I don’t know anything about any of that, and I don’t believe she’s on right now. I’m signing off too. Maybe Truth will answer you tomorrow. Have a good night!
Get um suspect lover
Oh you think I love a double murderer? Hmmmmmmm
That is why I have been going over every kinda record
you can imagine to nail the guy in the last 6 months.
It just happens all this
other info keeps popping up in all this paperwork.
Here’s the link to the new daily thread for you all to continue discussion tomorrow, er…today.
http://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2008/05/12/your-thread-may-12/