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basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:23 am

First boat in the water here LOL!!!

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:24 am

Hey, I’m skiing right behind that boat!

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:26 am

Watch out for the damn sharks!

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:27 am

Aw, beans again…

Sorry about saying “&^@%”, gatehouse…

gatehousechicago // May 17, 2008 at 1:27 am

At least you all keep the wee hours of the morning entertaining

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:28 am

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:28 am

Bash - I don’t know if you ever heard this little tidbit, but here goes.

After the news came out about what Pastor Schori was told by Stacy, about him coming home and throwing clothes in the washing machine, Sneed, a columnist with the Sun Times, actually reported a snippet that LE was looking into water usage on the night Kathleen was murdered.

Now, I don’t know how they’d do that, but that’s what she reported. Water usage at a certain time of night, on a certain day. Hmmmmm.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:28 am

Oh, Gatehouse, so you noticed. Sometimes, when we all play nice, we get things done!

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:31 am

Water utility would have the daily meter readings for that residence. It’s required, so that they can monitor for leaks.

Course, DiP could always claim that Stacy couldn’t sleep, so she got up to clean house. You know how damn anal-retentive he is about maintaning a clean house/yard he is.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:32 am

Aw, rats…

Sorry I said “&^@%” again, gatehouse.

Must be something in the water up here…

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:33 am

“You know how damn anal-retentive he is about maintaning a clean house/yard he is.”

Dang… I’m starting to sound like Yoda on acid…

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:35 am

Yeah, but Bash, he’s stuck with whatever he told LE at the time of her death. He can’t change or move around the lies anymore. If he said he was in bed, asleep, at the time, then that’s the way it is. What, is he gonna say now he just remembered he got up to do a load of clothes? Not to mention that, supposedly, Stacy was calling him like crazy just prior to that looking for him when, again, he was supposed to be in bed with her.

And, another thing, knowing he was supposed to be home, you would assume he’d be concerned about those phone records showing calls from Stacy to him. So, how is it that those phone records never materialized when they were supposed to be part of the death investigation?

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:36 am

Uh, lemme guess…

Cause no one in LE ever subpoenaed them from the phone company like they said they had?

Wait- was that a trick question?

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:36 am

bash - Gatehouse said you were entertaining!!!!!!

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:37 am

That’s the point, bash. They would have been quite tricky for him at the time, knowing what we know now. So, me thinks somehow he got that little issue ironed out, but how, who?

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:42 am

Good night, bash.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:44 am

Good night, Rescue!

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:46 am

My guess is that he prolly called in a few “favors” from his buddies in LE to “lose” the paperwork.

“Favors” or blackmail, one or the other or maybe even both, if it would accomplish what he wanted.

somuchschoolwork // May 17, 2008 at 1:46 am

rescuepet. That is what is so concerning about this case. And I hope who ever was doing the ironing back then, is held accountable. They let him get away with murder.

somuchschoolwork // May 17, 2008 at 1:58 am

I cannot see how a coroner or LE on scene could have ever ruled this an accident.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:59 am

Me too, Somuchschoolwork- LE let Kathleen Savio seriously down when investigating her death.

I am glad that now she might finally get some justice for being forcibly and finally taken away from her sons and family, who deserved to be loved by her for a much longer time than she was given.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 2:01 am

The only LE on the scene was DiP, remember? Then the oparamedics that responded to the scene who tried to revive her, but ended up taking her to the morgue instead. Coroner hears “cop’s wife” or “cop’s ex-wife”, so he blantantly assumes that her death is on the up and up, and rules it to be accidental.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 2:01 am

Good ol’ boys club mindset at its finest…

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 2:03 am

Well, I’m plum tuckered out, so I’ll be hitting the hay now. Take good care, all!

somuchschoolwork // May 17, 2008 at 2:13 am

Nite basherette. Ive learned alot from reading what you all wrote tonite.

chateauofdoubt // May 17, 2008 at 2:14 am

The Alarm

Some theories:

1) Alarms go though the telephone lines, DP could have disable them to gain access to the house and then reconnected them at the NET-POP, it was after all, his home so he knew it very intimately.

2) When an alarm goes off, the monitoring station notifies the police to go check it out. Who is the police? Um, that would be Drew or any number of his friends on the force that could be involved.

3) He could have somehow gotten or guessed the code to disarm it.

4) He could have made arrangements to meet KS as a ruse to her and she let him in thinking he was there for benign reasons.

5) He or someone from the police department could have called the alarm company and said it was a runaway alarm and to shut it down remotely or give another code that would shut it down.

6) About a million more possibilities.

chateauofdoubt // May 17, 2008 at 2:21 am

The alarm company will have a log for all functions of that alarm for the time in question.

When it was on, off or otherwise. All of that is logged.

bbismytown // May 17, 2008 at 2:28 am

Was the home alarm in fact even connected to an outside monitoring service like ADT, Wells Fargo or Alarm 24?

Many people kinda got tired of the ever increasing monthly fees and just went stand alone on their home systems.

bbismytown // May 17, 2008 at 2:33 am

I am sorry but calling the local water people will let you know that the following is an untrue statement.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 1:31 am

Water utility would have the daily meter readings for that residence. It’s required, so that they can monitor for leaks.

Course, DiP could always claim that Stacy couldn’t sleep, so she got up to clean house. You know how damn anal-retentive he is about maintaning a clean house/yard he is.

In order to monitor individual accounts to that degree of accuracy would require much more sophisticated metering systems than presently used.

But such metering is not in place.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:37 am

It is where I live, and also where my grandmum lives in the lower 48. Why wouldn’t a city so close to snazzy huge Chicago have a system like that too? Doesn’t make sense that podunk places would have it, but a big metropolis like that wouldn’t…

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 8:14 am

I think we are inbetween podunk and snazzy, but I’m sure we don’t have something that accurate.

Would be nice if Bolingbrook did. But bb would know.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 8:15 am

I don’t recall anything about hi-tech water metering being one of the mayor’s accomplishments during his time in office.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 8:48 am

I saw that someone asked about the alarm on SpeakYourMind. Can’t remember if it was Bash or not.

It seems that Joel is going to only answer Qs by personal message now?

Now … if you received a PM from Joel, what is to stop you from posting it there (or anywhere for that matter).

And would Joel be able to claim you misquoted him or changed what he said?

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 10:08 am

Here’s Brodsky’s reply to the lockpicking question:

“If you mean the locksmith opening the door was “forced entry” you misunderstand. Locksmiths remove the lock cylinder to gain entry, they don’t “pick” locks. We checked with an forensic expert on locks and tool marks (Speckin Labs in Michigan) and they told us two things. First, even the best locksmith on his best day would take at least an hour to pick a lock with a lock pick set(its not like TV - he said an amature on a good day would take 4 to 6 hours to pick a lock even with a professional lock pick set) and secondly, a professional locksmith entering a house would not mask the tool marks of a recent prior forced entry. Finally, when the locksmith opened the door and Carerano and the other neighor went inside the arlam was off. Whoever turned it off had the code. Drew did not have the code.”

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 10:21 am

Isn’t he just tying everything up in a nice tight package?

I am just not sure why he is allowing himself to be questioned on a blog like that, except he’s trying to get ideas as to what he might expect from logical thinking people, something he has no clue about.

DP managed to get his puss on tv after all, since it has been a while.

Saw him on CLTV and he’s complaining that the ISP are harassing his family and friends, and there’s one particular young agent that is acting unprofessionally, according to him.

I didn’t know they allowed him to be around when they’re interviewing people. Or, gee, is it he’s just putting his spin on everything again? Yup, I think that would be it.

LE pretty much said they’ll interview just about whoever they please.

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 11:10 am

Has everyone here visited the LegalPub blog? I first went there when I got a link to the Thomas Morphey blog post, and then I saw that Brodsky had left some comments.

My first thought was that it was odd that his comment didn’t address the blog post at all, but was actually a reaction to the story about Drew and the 22-year old.

As soon as I saw that I felt a little bit suspicious. For one thing, why was he commenting on a blog at all? For another, why wasn’t the comment about the blog post? My first hunch was that the entire blog might be a set-up where he could promote himself.

So…today I see that he added yet another comment to that now three-day-old story and he advised that people start reading other blog posts on that site.

So I did.

Now, I’m even more convinced that the whole blog is kind of a pro-Brodsky site where he can promote himself and his team. I think he’s very much thinking beyond the Peterson case and trying to create so good press for himself. I mean, just LOOK at these anonymous comments following one of his:

Anonymous said…
I am really changing my opinion of this Joel B. guy. He is a real smart lawyer. His last few comments on stories are very helpful and informative. He may be the excellent lawyer L.P. says he is!

May 16, 2008 12:06 PM

Ms Calabaza said…
Thanks Mr. Brodsky for that explanation. I have to agree with anonymous 12:06.

May 16, 2008 1:28 PM

Anonymous said…
Me too. Joel you amaze me. If we are not talking, D.P., I actually like you. Very good insight.

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 11:12 am

Anonymous said…
Thanks Joel. Your insight around here is really appreciated!

Holly

May 15, 2008 12:12 PM

Anonymous said…
Joel is an alright guy after all!

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 11:12 am

It’s pretty funny. He has the first comment on just about EVERY story, and then they are followed up by these anonymous strokers.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 11:32 am

How brilliant of a lawyer can he be if all he can think of for a username is joelabrodsky and anonymous.

Not sure I believe that Drew did not know Kathleen’s alarm code.

Personally, I’d have the alarm set all the time even if I was in the house (if it didn’t have movement sensors, that would not be a problem).

Don’t think I would get in the tub without making sure it was set though. Especially if I’d had experiences with my ex-husband coming in my house without invitation.

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 11:37 am

Yeah, I just don’t know about the alarm. My first thought was that she wouldn’t have it on if she was home and up, but then I’m the person who moved into a place with an alarm system and never paid to hook it up because I decided the blinking light on the units and the stickers on the windows were probably enough of a deterrent.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 11:38 am

Ah, very insightful, facsmiley.

I agree that he’s setting himself up, trying to get himself some further recognition. Especially, since there is no reason anymore for any news talking heads to have him on. He’s been there, done that. He can only say so many times that LE doesn’t have enough evidence to charge his client with any crimes, and everyone in Drew Peterson’s life is a piece of garbage but him. Well, except for the latest 22 year old hottie that he thinks is being harassed by LE.

Its quite laughable, too, that Drew Peterson has made comments to the press now about his disappointment in the ISP, and how they’re harassing his family and friends. Does he think the viewing public cares? I guess he does, but he is delusional.

Now, if he wants to start sharing the time line he gave to the police, what he did for three days on his “head clearing” trip, leaving behind his four children and family to deal with the onslaught of police and press, I’m up for that.

I look forward to your comments regarding Brodsky’s posts. I can’t stand the thought of going there myself because everything about him makes me sick.

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 11:43 am

Rescue, I looked for the latest Drew story at CLTV, but there’s nothing on the site yet.

Brodksy had an answer about the 3-day trip. He stated that Drew was at “an old friends house near Madison Wisconsin.” and that the motorcycle remains in that friend’s garage.

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 11:46 am

How brilliant of a lawyer can he be if all he can think of for a username is joelabrodsky and anonymous.
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facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 11:47 am

That was supposed to be me laughing at Noway’s comment.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 12:03 pm

When Mark Fuhrman was reporting from Bolingbrook about the DP cell phone records that never made it to the hands of the investigators in the KS death investigation, didn’t he say they were never requested at all? I think that’s what I remember about that interview one night.

If he had his phone off, obviously, the records would not show any calls made to his phone. But, I suppose he’s either one who leaves his phone on 24/7, or turns it off at night. That would certainly be reflected during the time line of KS’s death, whether his phone was on/off, and if there were calls showing up on it. If it was on, then it may be very telling about other calls too.

Her phone records, it would seem, are the most telling, since she was the one that made the calls to his phone, according to what the pastor said.

Maybe someone could ask the lawyer of the year if Drew is someone who leaves his phone on 24/7.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Because, if he is one who leaves his phone on 24/7, how is he going to explain why he has calls made to his phone when he was supposed to be next to Stacy in bed?

If his phone was not on, why would she use her phone to call him?

I suppose, too, if he turned his phone off that particular night, he might want to explain why.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 12:24 pm

I read on the MySpace page that the picture of DP that was posted by Mary2 really wasn’t posted by Mary2 . . . now what does that mean?

Was someone posting under her name? How could that be?

Makes me question the validity of every post I’m reading!

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 12:25 pm

To clarify, that picture was posted on FSP.

I just thought she wasn’t banned for it because her husband’s dealership had made a large contribution to the Fun-Raiser, but now I don’t know . . .

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 12:31 pm

noway - lavanda mentioned something here last night that she was no longer going to post here, because it came to her attention that blogging was going on (at the other forum, I assume) with imposters posing as others. Maybe M2 was one that was hijacked, I don’t know.

Now, here, if you’ll notice, that icon associated with your name is unique to you. It follows you everywhere you go on wordpress, as long as you sign in with that screen name and email address. That icon is mathematically created by your IP address. So, that helps to eliminate any imposters using your name.

somuchschoolwork // May 17, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Hi Noway. Where is the Myspace page. Thanks

somuchschoolwork // May 17, 2008 at 12:43 pm

I like my icon. It looks kinda like the recycle thing

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 12:43 pm

Your icon is very schnazzy, somuchschoolwork!

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 12:46 pm

At first I liked mine because I thought it was the only gold-colored one, but then I saw someone who had a true gold one, and now I think mine is more pee-colored. Oh well.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 12:49 pm

Okay, I have a question. If KS had all of her jewelry on and her hair was down, like it usually was throughout the day, what time of night could it have been?

Stacy was asleep, but woke up to find DP gone. So, what time would they have gone to bed? It had to be a common time, right? 10:00pm, 11:00pm, 12:00am, what?

If it was late in the evening, or early morning hours when he slipped out of the house, why would KS still be in jewelry, etc? Was she expecting “someone.” Otherwise, being late in the evening or early morning, I would venture to say, yes, she would have had that alarm armed. Why wouldn’t she?

somuchschoolwork // May 17, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Hi rescuepet. One thing I was wondering last nite ..was about the position Kathleen Savio was found.
It is my understanding she was found slumped forward and over, with her hair over her face.
My question is how in the world this could have been ruled an accident.
If it was as simple as DP had made it seem, simple household accident..
She would have had to haven fallen backwards, hit the back top part of her head….THEN pulled herself up , and some how got her face in the water enough to drown.
Someone correct me if I have this wrong.

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 1:01 pm

I’ll throw this out there, if it helps:

BADEN: Well, from the beginning we’re talking about from the rigor mortis and the lividity that was present when Kathleen was found in the tub about 11:00 PM would indicate that she died sometime between, say, 2:00 and 6:00 AM Monday morning, I think just the time that Mark has found out that Drew doesn’t really have an alibi. Whatever it is, whoever did it, was done — she died around 4:00 AM, plus or minus two hours, on Sunday morning.

somuchschoolwork // May 17, 2008 at 1:03 pm

Hi Facsmiley Your icon looks more green on my computer than pee colored. It looks like a snowflake.

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 1:05 pm

Aww, somucschoolwork. That’s nice. But just don’t eat that snow!

FUHRMAN: It would be nice if we found something that didn’t focus the attention on some act of Drew Peterson. I mean, when we go through these things, just like Michael Baden does the autopsy, when I go through these things, I’m not omitting objects that, you know, exonerate Drew Peterson. They all seem to inculpate him. Every time we look at something, it is drawing us closer and closer to a conclusion. So I’m not sure hypothesis or theory or really reading the facts as they should have been read in 2004 is a little more accurate. I will say this…

VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, I don’t disagree with you, Mark. I guess it’s just that, like, I’m so scandalized and horrified by the lack of police work there that I’m just sort of…

FUHRMAN: I, too, Greta…

VAN SUSTEREN: … almost groping, thinking there must be some — you know, that’s — I guess why I’m — I’m so scandalized, I guess.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 1:21 pm

Oh my!

I read on the MySpace page that the picture of DP that was posted … meant Legal Pub.

MySpace relates to another post that I wasn’t sure I was going to post here until I had more info.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:22 pm

Oh, facsmiley, I had forgotten half of what I’ve heard about this KS thing, but this is chilling, absolutely chilling. I watched all the Greta coverage, but it’s been awhile, and there’s just so much between both crimes.

“Mark found out Drew doesn’t really have an alibi” during the time of KS’s time of death.

And it was ruled an accident? But, as we all know now, there was just so much wisked through, never looked at. Crime scene that was trampled through, as though it was a “routine” death, by way of falling in a bath tub.

What is it about this man that had so many people looking the other way for him? What has he done, or can he do, for them to have made them go along with buying his story, his alibi, overlooking the circumstances of her death, the letters, the telling of family about him? It’s scary, very scary.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 1:22 pm

I’m not worried about my posts here so much but wonder whether I thought I was reading a post from someone on FSP that wasn’t really that person. Make any sense?

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:25 pm

Brodsky has a post on today’s Legal Pub website. He’s not likin’ Hosey too much. Seems Hosey is getting more attention than he is. As Martha Stewart would say, “that’s a good thing.”

Joel A. Brodsky said…

I don’t want to get into a p-ssing match with Joe Hosey, but we did have words yesterday. (5/16/0 Bottom line is this: He chose to write a book, and the more a book sells the more the author makes. Therefore (unless he has a very unusual deal) Hosey appears to have a financial interest in keeping the Drew Peterson case in the public eye since if the story dies out the book won’t sell as much. (Is this why his paper is the only one that seems to be pursuing the story of the 22 year old girl?) This creates a potential for conflict of interest. I think that if Hosey is going to continue to write for the suntimes group on the Peterson story then full disclosure of his book deal needs to be made.
May 17, 2008 8:08 AM

truthisthere // May 17, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Who all in a home knows the code to an alarm?

Could this be the divide between Drew and his

one son?

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:29 pm

LOL, so here’s the deal with Brodsky. Unless the talking head or the reporter addresses him as “yes sir, no sir,” he gets all hissy.

Unless I’m reading this comment of his wrong, he says nothing about Joe Hosey misquoting him or printing “lies.” He’s only mad that Hosey has a book deal and he’s keeping the story alive in the public eye.

This is so funny.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:31 pm

truthis - I don’t know the true reason for Eric Peterson disowning his father, but I did read somewhere along the line that he chose to do so when DP became involved with Stacy.

I’m not sure if he walked out of his life prior to KS’s death, or afterwards. He’s been very dignified, quiet, stays out of the news, and apparently, stays out of the life of DP.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 1:33 pm

Wouldn’t it be funny if LP suddenly added that feature and you saw all the posts by Joel A. Brodsky and Anonymous that were the same.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:36 pm

LOL, but the quote of JB’s I just cut and paste above is making much better use of grammer and spelling. Maybe he “hired” someone to do it for him, what with all the defense money that was collected via Drew Peterson’s “get me out of jail free website.”

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 1:42 pm

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:31 pm

truthis - I don’t know the true reason for Eric Peterson disowning his father, but I did read somewhere along the line that he chose to do so when DP became involved with Stacy.

I’m not sure if he walked out of his life prior to KS’s death, or afterwards. He’s been very dignified, quiet, stays out of the news, and apparently, stays out of the life of DP.
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I’d read that Eric did not like Stacy because she was so young (didn’t like that his dad and her got married).

But Joel answered that question (probably on SpeakYourMind) and said something different.

IMO it was just a bunch of yada yada. Sons and fathers have differences of opinion or something like that. I don’t think he actually said why Eric doesn’t speak to Drew. But he didn’t say “Eric didn’t like Stacy.” or anything so clear as that.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 1:49 pm

Oh, well, if it was something favorable to DP and went against Eric, Brodsky would be the first to slam bam him. After all, he doesn’t mince words about anyone else, most of all, the mother of four minor children who doesn’t have the benefit of defending herself against their verbal attacks.

I’m sure it’ll all come out eventually. People talk and someone knows the true reason.

I’m going to check to see if the LE statement is available yet in print on the CLTV website. They had a very proper way of saying to DP that they’ll investigate whoever they darn well please.

somuchschoolwork // May 17, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Hopefully someone in the media will do a indepth story on the scandalious investigation of Kathleen Savio’s death. Including who.. why… those in charge would cover up for Drew Peterson.

Now that would be a best seller and maybe stop the corruption.

cfs7360 // May 17, 2008 at 3:23 pm

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2008/Unanswered-Cries/index.php?cp=1&si=0#artanc

Have you all seen this recent article on Kathleen Savio? Pretty interesting.

letthetruthbefree // May 17, 2008 at 3:38 pm

I happen to not believe the Kathleen’s death was a murder. I personally think the first ruling was the correct one.

I think it was a tragic accident. I truly believe she slipped and fell, possibly while drying off, and hit her head on the tub itself, or the faucet fixture. If she had started to let the water drain as she grabbed for a towel that would explain the no water in the tub. It doesnt take a hit that hard to create a brain injury, and a fatal one at that.

Sadly, Baden has seen better days and I wouldn’t trust a word out of his mouth after seeing him recently testify. And it’s also political season, so a lot of finger’s will be pointing, all in the name of votes.

Just my opinion.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 4:00 pm

letthetruthbefree, if she had started to let the water drain, she would not have drowned. Would she have? How long would it take a tub to drain versus a person to drown?

letthetruthbefree // May 17, 2008 at 4:13 pm

It would all depend on how she fell, did her body block the drain at all?

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 4:15 pm

I truly don’t believe there was much of a difference in findings between the first autopsy and the second and third.

It was the way it was ramrodded through the death investigation panel, and the sloppy way records were dealt with. As a matter of fact, there were people on the original panel that said they would rule homicide now if they had not been shielded from some of the findings.

Oh, and by the way, Drew Peterson supposedly brought home women’s clothing to drop into the washing machine along with his that night, according to some of the things that were reported coming from Pastor Schori.

Wonder if there were clothes lying next to the tub where she supposedly was taking her bath. There should have been two sets of cloths. The ones she had on, but taken off for her so-called bath, and the bedclothes she would have put on after the infamous bath.

Baden has seen better days? An experienced, knowledgeable doctor who happened to rule against the original findings of the death panel, and he has “seen better days.” I would have to disagree with that. Because, a younger doctor performed the third autopsy and came to the same conclusions. The autopsies aren’t the problem - it’s the way the whole investigation was handled in the first place. The findings are what they are. She didn’t grow new bruises and cuts/abrasions in the coffin!

Everyone can’t be old, lacking knowledge, mental cases, drug addicts, senile, busy bodies and, well, I’m sure there are some other adjectives that the Peterson camp have used.

JMHO.

truthisthere // May 17, 2008 at 4:30 pm

Kathy remained fatalistic, however. Anna and Kathy’s nursing-school colleague Mary S. Parks offered to let Kathy and her boys move into their homes for protection. Parks recalls that by late 2003, Kathy “felt [Drew] was going to get her” no matter where she went. “She felt like he was omnipotent.”

truthisthere // May 17, 2008 at 4:37 pm

Who knows if her body blocked the drain, the experienced police officer moved the body in an attempt to take the pulse of a corpse that had been dead for 36 hours. Jumped right in and destroyed the crime sceene

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 4:38 pm

letthetruthbefree - “If she had started to let the water drain as she grabbed for a towel that would explain the no water in the tub. It doesnt take a hit that hard to create a brain injury, and a fatal one at that.”

Did you mean to say she fell, hit her head, causing a fatal blow, and died from that blow and/or drowning?

Because, I believe, all of the findings in the autopsies indicated that the gash on the back of her head was not enough to cause her death, or even render her unconscious.

Early on in this new investigation, Brodsky was trying to throw out to the public that KS had a “heart defect” of some kind, and tried to indicate that may have caused her to black out and go down.

What’s funny now is that he’s saying her “former” boyfriend (he claims they broke up 2 weeks prior to her death) should lawyer up and should have taken the Fifth at the GJ hearing. Claims he had access to KS’s house and the security alarm code.

So, which is it? Is Brodsky agreeing to the second and third autopsies now, or is he sticking with the first one, because he’s all over the place and doesn’t make any sense.

letthetruthbefree // May 17, 2008 at 4:41 pm

Rescue, I appreciate your opinion. Even though we dont agree on this, it can be discussed.

I believe Baden is nothing more than a hired gun. Fox brought him in. Once a media outlet becomes involved, that is when they lose me. They will say over and over that it was the Savio brought him in. That would be all good and fine, had they done it years ago, not when Fox arrived on the scene with Mark and Greta. Baden is a hired commentator on Fox.

I don’t know if you happen to watch Court TV, or anything similar, but Baden during the Spector trial was a mess. He was literally eaten alive on the stand during that trial. It was shocking. He had the “ah-ha” moment on the stand, not when he did the autopsy. It became almost comical if it happen been such a serious case.

He used to be very good, and very creditable.

I happen to believe all these big guns, Baden, Lee, Wecht get a little too big for themselves.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 4:42 pm

Dr. Baden detailed bruises on her hands, chest, abdomen, and thighs. In his interview with Van Susteren, Baden described the hand injuries as “defensive” wounds.

“”There were indications then of multiple blunt force traumas, of being beaten up,” Baden said. “One of the things we were able to look at today, those bruises were still there. And we could see from the naked eye they were fresh.”

truthisthere // May 17, 2008 at 4:43 pm

What does baden have to do with it, that is not the report the State is using.

letthetruthbefree // May 17, 2008 at 4:45 pm

I’m basing my idea on what I have heard.

And just like all of us, we have very little, hard, concrete evidence.

Do I wish things had been handled differently, of course I do. And yes Will County was very corrupt. I just dont know to what extend Drew had within that ring.

I’m just waiting to see this all unfold, time will tell then.

letthetruthbefree // May 17, 2008 at 4:47 pm

Thats my point Rescue, that is what you believe. I dont happen to believe him, or his report.

But this is the beauty of it, get all different opinions, and see if something comes up that nobody has thought of before.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 4:55 pm

truthisthere // May 17, 2008 at 4:43 pm

What does baden have to do with it, that is not the report the State is using.

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Officially, nothing, I would imagine. His autopsy findings were done independently of the second official one, but for the family’s use in a future civil case.

However, I believe the official autopsy findings would not dispute the fact that she had the bruises that Dr. Baden referred to. The first one is probably on line somewhere too, isn’t it? Wouldn’t it also detail all of that bruising? Pictures were taken at the time she was found. So, those bruises were there in the first place. That alone is enough to make you wonder what in the world was going on.

Did someone explain away those bruises as something else to make this all fit in with the idea she died after falling and drowning?

Again, it appears that Brodsky has switched to a new theory, one that points the finger at KS’s “ex-boyfriend,” since he made ridiculous remarks about him getting a lawyer, etc. So, for that matter, he’s agreeing now that the bruises are defensive on her hands, and that she was beaten. Maybe he decided he can’t explain away the findings anymore, and he has to take a new turn.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 5:06 pm

I think Joel tried to say that Kathleen’s long thick hair may have blocked the drain (doubt they checked the drain at the time of her death).

Even if we go with the first report, it was not the head injury that caused her death, it was “drowning” … but I thought I read something about the water in her lungs … or not in her lungs.

I’ll go look at the first autopsy report and see where I’m going with this.

And letthetruthbefree, please do continue to post what you believe. If we all think the same way we could miss something important.

There was talk about whether Kathleen would have set the alarm while taking a bath, and I thought she would for sure, being as she feared Drew would kill her, why take a chance when you are so vulnerable (naked in a tub).

But then I read a post in which the person said that in her opinion, the alarm was not set yet.

And it came to me that she wasn’t taking a bath either. I believe she was put in the tub to make it look like she had fallen.

Any report of blood and/or hair on the faucet or any other surface of the tub where she hit her head?

truthisthere // May 17, 2008 at 5:09 pm

I am sure drew handled the faucets and spout when he checked the pulse of the 36 hours dead corpse.

noway406 // May 17, 2008 at 5:15 pm

Considering how long the first autopsy determine that she’d been dead, why would an experienced cop with “32″ years experience (including first-aid experience for accident and seizure victims) take the pulse of a woman who had to be clearly dead?

Hmm … me thinks he had to touch the body so that he could account for any evidence from him.

genegene // May 17, 2008 at 5:16 pm

DANCETIME!

— to the refined bathrooms of America.

Wonder is Drew did the Moonwalk?

Good Bye
Gene Gene
The Dancing Machine

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:17 pm

Hee Hee- told ya the alarm was off! Nice to have in in JB’s own words though- how thoughtful of him!

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:17 pm

Blood in bottom of tub only. And on Kathleen, of course. Have not heard about the drain yet.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:18 pm

Ok, now I gotta go back to the last post I read and work my way to where everyone else is right now…

Be back soon!

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:22 pm

HEY! I got an answer to my query to JB! Pardon me while I do a happy dance cause I was right!

basherette at 6:50: (3) The only legal thing that had been done was the dissoluton of the marriage so Drew could marry Stacy so they could get insurance coverage for Stacy who was pregnenant. This shows it want not the angry divorce it is portrayed to be by this point in time (things had calmed down after an admittidly rocky begining). Kathy had temporary custody and it was agreed that Kathy would get custody in the final judgment, but the details still had to be worked out. Joint custody like you are referring to is very common in Illinos and I would think that would almost certainly have been the agreement in the end. When Kathy died Drew got full legal custody by operation of law, no court order was necessary.

http: //wespeakourmind.proboards50.com/index.cgi?board=stacy&action=display&thread=339&page=5#2712

(Take out the space between the “:” and the “/” when you cut and paste)

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:30 pm

Rescue: The phone records were never subpoenaed by LE from the phone companies. The phone companies, however, keep the records for 5 years, both landline and cell, so you can bet your sweet bippy that LE has those sapsuckers now.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:31 pm

Facsmiley- your icon is a very pretty sunshine yellow. Be proud.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Alarm: if the doors were locked, it should have been on. The fact that it wasn’t is a big RED flag in my book.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:39 pm

OK, I have a question. Baden says Kathleen was found in the tub at 11PM.

How did DiP convince Steve and the lady to go to her house so late at night?

And how the hell did they find a locksmith open that late on the weekend?

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Hadn’t Drew already messed with the keypad on the garage door once before when he entered Kathleen’s house to berate and threaten her?

Why shouldn’t we think he would do it again?

He didn’t know that she’d written the state’s atty about the incident.

fascinatingtermsofdeservice // May 17, 2008 at 5:49 pm

seppy’s stuck on the alarm! Check yesterday last post seppy.

Doors locked doesn’t meen the alarm was on/armed.

If you have an alarm system, and you want to stay in the house with the system armed, it goes like this:
You lock your doors AND THEN you arm the system in a specific way (different than when you go out) so you bypass the motion sensors.

Anyway, glad to see you guys discussing KS.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Facsmiley- YES, he did. The SWAT/knife/basement stairs episode.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Guess DiP’s got a thing for garage door openers…

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 5:52 pm

Glad to see you tossing out your loopy and inaccurate misidentifications, as usual.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 5:53 pm

Uh, who’s “seppy”?

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 5:58 pm

As far as Brodskty and Hosey go, Brodsky needs to freakin’ grow up. If he doesn’t want to be quoted out of context he should stop feeding the press tidbits like “that’s just the kind of guy he is” about Drew. Even Greta VS reamed him over the stupidity of that comment.

Who *wouldn’t* take a gem like that and use it? He’d better start thinking about that because, as Greta pointed out, he’s going to hear it every time the prosecution addresses the jury.

“Why, ladies and gentlemen? Because that’s just the kind of guy he is!”

letthetruthbefree // May 17, 2008 at 6:00 pm

I’ll say this much, IF there is ever a trial, it will be one interesting case to watch.

So many characters, so much dirty laundry. Nobody will be safe on the stand.

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 6:00 pm

Bash, they think that you are someone else. At least I can tell you that Seppy is a very smart and fair woman, with good legal knowledge. If they have to misidentify you…it could be with someone worse!

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:02 pm

Oh. So it’s a good thing?

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 6:05 pm

To me it’s a good thing since I liked and respected Seppy.

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 6:05 pm

I saw this on Kimmer’s site:

In response to the lawyer’s comment
First, even the best locksmith on his best day would take at least an hour to pick a lock with a lock pick set

I have seen this with my very own eyes
entry gained in 25 seconds, picked a deadbolt open, lock left intact.

See for yourself on the you tubes below, there are 100’s more:

I hate it when people try to bullshit me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsQ9Y_G-uuQ&feature=related

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/877953/how_to_pick_your_front_door/

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:07 pm

fascinatingtermsofdeservice // May 17, 2008 at 5:49 pm
If you have an alarm system, and you want to stay in the house with the system armed, it goes like this:
You lock your doors AND THEN you arm the system in a specific way (different than when you go out) so you bypass the motion sensors.
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Exactly. So Kathleen’s alarm should have been ON. Duh.

letthetruthbefree // May 17, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Her alarm would have been on if she armed it.

There is no telling whether or not she did.

Someone posted about people shying away from them more and more, and I agree. Some are so sensitive that a stiff breeze sets it off. And many towns are now charging for excess police calls due to an alarm.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Facsmiley- AH! JB must have only been talking about his experiences with graduates from the *Special Kind of Stupid School of Locksmithery*.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:12 pm

The security company has records for the all activity/inactivity/code changes/etc. for her alarm system. LE/FBI has all of this now too.

Guess we’ll just have to wait and see who’s right about this one, eh?

letthetruthbefree // May 17, 2008 at 6:13 pm

We sure will. The alarm we have is not connected to a service, it was at one time, but now its just an audiable alarm.

I seriously dont know that if it goes off, without being connected to a service, if there is anyway to know if it went off or not.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 6:15 pm

Re: Blood in bath tub. Some things I found:

Savio was found to be free of drugs or alcohol. She had no prior history of seizures or fainting spells. Yet she wound up drowned in a dry, blood-splotched bathtub with bruises all over her body, and a bloodied head from blunt force trauma.

The bathtub was dry of water when Savio’s body was found. But her hair was wet. The blood, in some areas, was reportedly wet. There was blood splotched around the tub. If the tub had drained on its own, why were there splotches?

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 6:15 pm

Ooops - Sorry Gatehouse. That wasn’t my swear - it was just in the cut and paste!

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 6:16 pm

Re: Getting into the house:

Another foreshadowing: she detailed how Peterson secretly programmed a way to open her garage door and get into her house. She told how Peterson ambushed her, threw around his authority as a police officer, and held a knife to her throat.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 6:16 pm

This incident is significant because when Savio’s body was found, Peterson made sure he told Steve Carcerano that he couldn’t get into the house. One question: why did a trained, and reportedly aggressive, cop, send an unarmed civilian into a home where the cop thought something might be wrong?

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:18 pm

letthetruthbefree // May 17, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Her alarm would have been on if she armed it.
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Kathleen had that alarm system for a damn good reason. She would have kept that sucker on if she wasn’t home, and if she was home alone, and if she & her boys were home at night. The ONLY time she would have had the alarm off is if it was daytime and her boys were in and out playing.

Now, I am guessing that the alarm system was already in place when she and DiP both resided there. Probably didn’t use it often, but it was there. After all the 911 calls, the beatings and the stalking, I’d bet my left tit that she would have had that alarm system ON more often than OFF. It was something that made her feel safer. NO WAY would she have NOT had that sucker ON if she was home alone, or away from home. FOR ANY REASON.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:19 pm

LOL Facsmiley! And I thought I was the only potty mouth around here!!!

facsmiley // May 17, 2008 at 6:20 pm

Personally I think we do ourselves a disservice if we make statements like “she would have definitely had that alarm activated” or “why would she have the alarm on if she was taking a bath?”

I mean, we could play that all day. We can talk about what might have taken place if it were on, and what might have taken place if it were not on, but there’s no way we can know right now which was the case.

i always thought it was odd that there was some amount of blood around the drain. So does that mean her head wound continued to bleed after the water had drained? Do you keep bleeding after death, even when there’s no blood pressure? I know blood tends to pool at the lowest point in a dead body, so maybe her head was pretty low in the tub.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:22 pm

Blood pumps as long as the heart is still beating. After that stops, it’s all about gravity, and how fast her blood would coagulate at the wound site.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:22 pm

Ewww. I just grossed myself out.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:23 pm

Who says there was water in the tub at all?

She could have been drowned in the toilet.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:24 pm

Water that goes to the toilet is the same kind of water that goes to bath tub pipes and kitchen sink.

Tub didn’t have to have any water in it at all.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:26 pm

UNLESS she had one of them toilet cleaner tablet thingies or liquid toilet bleach containers in the tank of the toilet, the water found in her nasal passages could have come from any water source in or out of the house. Even a garden hose.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 6:27 pm

Bash - there’s reports that KS’s fingers were wrinkled. If her fingers were wrinkled, then at some point she had been submerged in water. but, yet, she was found in a dry bath tub.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:27 pm

Coroners would have had the water in her nasal passages tested. Maybe that’s one of the reasons that the second autopsies test results took so long. “More sophisticated” tests, remember? Pretty easy to test the water in her and see if they come across any toilet bowl cleaner stuff in it.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:28 pm

ONLY her fingers were wrinkled.

What about her TOES????????????????

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 6:31 pm

Honestly, don’t know about toes? Good point.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:36 pm

ORIGINAL CORONER’S REPORT:

http: //www.acandyrose.com/2004-03-01-SavioAutopsyReport.htm

(Take out space between the “:” and the “/” when cutting and pasting)

TOES NOT WRINKLED- only her FINGERTIPS.

WHY?

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:36 pm

Cause she didn’t take a bath. That’s why.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 6:38 pm

Thank you, bash. I’ll go look.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:39 pm

Prepare yourself- it’s kinda gruesome…

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 6:41 pm

5. On the mid shins, there is a 3/8 in., circular-shaped, purple contusion on each.

Okay. Interesting. On both??????? Handcuffs are circular!

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:44 pm

The wrinkling was ONLY noted on ONE hand- on the LEFT hand the fingertips and her palm showed wrinkling.

Autopsy was done on March 1, 2004, at 2:20AM.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:46 pm

Um, “a 3/8″ circular contusion” means a roundish bruise.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:46 pm

Handcuffs would leave a linear contusion.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:47 pm

Like this:

6. On the right outer wrist, there are ½ in. and ¾ in. linear, red abrasions.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Except abrasions are slightly different than contusions.

An abrasion means that there is some scraping of the skin surface- like a skinned knee.

A contusion means that the skin surface is unbroken.

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 6:51 pm

Oh, I understand, bash. So, what would cause circular bruising on each shin. Getting banged in the shins, or banging into something?

The linear abrasions ont he right outer wrist is more along the lines of the “handcuff” mark?

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:52 pm

(Hit enter by accident!)

A contusion means that the skin surface is unbroken, but that there is a visible injury under the skin surface. Like a bruise and/or swelling like you’d get if you whacked your head and got a goose egg.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 6:58 pm

She was 65″ tall- so 5′5″. Now it says “shins”, so I infer that to mean both legs. At her height, in the bathroom, what could she have whacked her shins on? The toilet. The edge of the tub. And that’s about it. Outside of the bathroom, well, whe had 2 kneebiters in the house, so she could have whacked her shins on toys, furniture, whatever. Unfortunately, we do not know WHEN she got the bruised shins, so it’s all speculation.

I’m more interested in the LINEAR ABRASIONS she had on her wrist. Fingernails scraping her skin from being held?

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 6:58 pm

The bottom line is: She was beaten, fought, drowned.

Was she was held down under water and that was the cause of death? Or, was she was rendered unconscious, put in a tub with some water, and drowned? Blood was spattered within the tub, so wouldn’t that indicate movement in the tub?

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 7:01 pm

Ah, the bruising was explained away at the original death hearing by saying it was due to exercising, kids’ toys, horseplay with the kids.

That was acceptable to a panel of people, that she was so bruised up by normal, everyday activities?

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 7:03 pm

Handcuffs are more likely to leave bruising contusions than abrasions- they’re smooth metal. Now, you CAN get an abrasion from handcuffs, but only if you apply a hell of alot of force to the cuffs against the skin- which would result in abrasion AND contusions. You’d have BOTH- scraped skin and deep, swollen bruising.

She only had abrasions- but she had 2 of them on one wrist. Her right wrist. She was rigth handed. If she was struggling, that would have been the hand she’d use the most to fight with, so it’s more likely also the hand that the killer would need to control the most.

That’s why I think the abrasions are from the killer’s fingernails- from gripping her wrist.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 7:04 pm

Where did you find that “blood was spattered in the tub”? I must have missed that- can you find a link?

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 7:09 pm

I just found an answer to one of my questions regarding DP’s cell phone. I wondered if he had it on or not.
Per Mark Fuhrman:

Stacy actually confided in the pastor, she made a statement that she woke up in the middle of the night, she could not find Drew. And this was the night before Kathleen is found in the bathtub. And she can’t find him in the house, and she starts calling incessantly, numerous times, to try to get a hold of him. He never answers.

“He never answers.” Didn’t say it went to voicemail, said “he never answers.” If a phone is turned off, it doesn’t ring, it goes immediately to voice mail.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 7:10 pm

Anyone know if Baden publicly released his autopsy report, cause I can’t find it if he did. If you find it, could you post a link?

rescueapet // May 17, 2008 at 7:10 pm

bash - let me look for the link again about blood spatter in the tub.

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 7:12 pm

There ya go, Rescue - “he never answers”…

Voicemail would have been mentioned. It wasn’t. Process of elimination. Good find!

basherette // May 17, 2008 at 7:13 pm

3. Water in the ethmoid sinuses.

But NOT in the lungs? Then how did she drown?

cfs7360 // May 17, 2008 at 7:14 pm

Rescue, Bash,