Stacy Peterson
UPDATE: ISP and the property owner hold press conference 5:30 CST: Nothing found today. Anthropologist has been digging in a 10 x 10 foot area. Search may go on for a week. Anthropologist is done for the day. Search is done for the day as of 6 PM.
TMZ reported this morning that based on a tip from fellow inmate of Drew Peterson, they are searching an area near Peoria for the remains of Stacy Peterson. Illinois State Police have disputed the source of the tip but they are indeed digging near the town of Metamora, Illinois. It’s been reported that dogs hit on a certain area where excavation is now taking place. Stacy’s family is at the scene this morning.
Pam Bosco, the Cales family spokesperson has told the press:
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Here’s Metamora on GoogleEarth
http://tinyurl.com/329xr87
I’m shocked that the report says Stacy’s family is at the scene. That would have to be Cass. Nothing could be worse than watching them lift a barrell out of the ground, knowing it could well be your sister.
Could that be a mistake? I can’t imagine the police allowing this.
No Atlgranny, they’re not standing at the “scene.” Everyone is at a staging area outside of the search grounds. Her family is there because they were advised they had a solid lead.
Phew…poor Cass. I pray it is Stacy, though, so that there can be closure for the family.
If the TMZ article is even nearly accurate, it looks like old Bozo Breath was once again bragging. For once, I’m glad of his narcissistic tendencies!
Bucket….thanks for the map. I have no clue where all of this is. Do people believe that the private land is in the town you’ve pinpointed?
AltGranny – It is possible that the dogs hit on something from a dead animal or blood from a deer that may have been shot by a hunter. (I think.)
Oh, I sure hope they wouldn’t drag the family out there unless they were almost positive that it was Stacy. That would be cruel!
I wonder where Drew did his “landscaping” ??
Does anyone remember if Drew started talking about “helping a friend with some landscaping”, shortly after his “head clearing” trip ??
Hi AtlG. Looking at the map I think it may be in that chunk to the left (west) of the town. It’s in the countryside, not the town.
I realize there aren’t a lot of people commenting on this yet, but I wonder….
IF this is Stacy’s body, how will that affect Kathy’s trial. (Or will it?) Surely the potential jury can’t help but hear about this fiasco.
Pam said: ““We’re hopeful that it is Stacy. It sounds like a good lead, but we don’t want to get our hopes up too high because we’ve been down this path before.”
I don’t remember there ever being a lead that was reported to be like this. Most of them were bodies that were found by accident. This is the only time I remember there ever being a lead which said, “look here” and they hit upon a find. The dogs they’d be using would be cadaver dogs — they only hit on dead humans. They know to ignore other dead things. So, if a cadaver dog hit on the same spot that the “accomplice” led police to, I’d say this is clearly in a league by itself as far as potential sites of Stacy’s burial place.
BTW, any guesses as to who the accomplice could be? That person has a lot of ‘splaining to do! Obviously they will plead a deal in order to get a lesser sentence, but they’ve kept this secret for how long? Is it almost 3 years?
Hi folks, just a reminder to resist the temptation to speculate. We are all eager to know the details of today’s story but let’s do our best to be patient while the facts unfold throughout the day.
Also, for those who are just coming to the site after hearing the news, we’ve been commenting on the story since 1am on an older post and there are links to stories and discussion there as well which may answer some questions.
http://www.examiner.com/x-7520-Chicago-Crime-Examiner~y2010m6d5-Stacy-Peterson-update-coroner-police-await-findings-of-excavation-in-rural-Peoria
http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?z=0&a=2615
Thanks gatekeeper, for the updates and everyone else. I just heard it on fox news the national one, where greta is on . I hope and pray this is her finally. I think what you guys are saying about a snitch, well sometimes if they are not in isolation they will put others with a suspect . to get information on what they did. just like casey anthoney . oh fox news just said this is just a tip and brodsky saying this is not true of this . or loudicrise regarding this . tip. he does not believe it. per fox news
HOW INFURIATING!!!! Who put out false report after false report of Stacy sightings shortly after her disappearance, which were “gossip?” The thing their stories had “in common” is the way they always proved to be Drew Peterson/Joel Brodsky bullshit.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Argh!
Cadaver dogs are trained ( usually, that is..) to detect human remains and not animals, so I am inclined to think that there are human remains at that site.
God Bless Cassandra Cales and the Savio family and all those here who have fought for justice.
Thanks for the reminder, Gatekeep.
Brodsky is so damn predictable. Of course he’d say that this is all nonsense. I can’t wait to see him slink off into obscurity when all of this is over — his career a total loss due to his inane grandstanding.
I just heard Kickapoo as the location and not Peoria on WBBM. ???
Man, that was some hastily written press release. How about the “rumors and gossip” about Drew working on a book, caught speeding, getting engaged to a 24-year-old, challenging Geraldo Rivera to a fight, wanting to work at a reality-show brothel? They were all of them true.
I also remember a certain “rumor” about Drew attempting to hire a hitman which was disputed by Drew, and what do you know, the guy showed up to testify at the hearsay hearings.
you mean no emphatic denials, such as occured when a body was pulled from the Des Plaines River and the buffoonsky was so certsin that it was not Stacy ?
Maybe when the buffoonsky loses his law license he can go work for BP’s public relations dept.
“There has never been one single factual piece of evidence regarding either Stacy’s disappearance, or in the death of Kathy Savio, that shows that Drew is guilty of any wrongdoing whatsoever.”
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That’s a bit of a silly statement from Joel, considering his client has been locked up for more than a year with a 20 million dollar bond on his head (!!)
Does any one else remembering when back of a Stacy sighting in Peoria? Recall this was a month or so after she disappeared.
Even if Stacy’s remains are to be discovered today (God willing) Joel will continue to say that Drew has nothing to do with it. Gossip, rumor and innuendo!
I know it’s his job to defend his client, so I can’t fault him on those grounds. But just once I’d like to see a decent, sensible sentence attributed to the man.
Full Story: http://www.wbbm780.com/TMZ–Police-Know-Where-Stacy-s-Peterson-s-Body-Is/7398814
I think it is possible that the person who told TMZ the story could have relayed the story wrong. Maybe the accomplice was in jail and told one of their inmates about helping Drew and about what Drew told him he did to her.
Yeah, a pregnant woman, who looked like Stacy, that some dork contacted Brodsky about, twice, I believe. Staying in a womens’ shelter. The facility later had to deny all of it. End of story.
I stand corrected. A pregnant Stacy in a supermarket. There have been so many Peterson/Brodsky sighting stories, it’s hard to keep them straight. She raced to Thailand after that. Or was it Kentucky?
Yes, WBBM radio in Chicago has been saying Kickapoo this morning. It is about 13 mins from Peoria.
Rescue — any new tweets from Joe? Are they planning to dig in spite of the rain?
I’ve heard Kickapoo and Metamora which are on opposite sides of the Illinois River near Peoria.
Well, the thread from last night shows a memo from M/Sgt Thomas Burak that says the staging area will be 6500 W US RT 150 near Peoria. So, it would make sense that the staging area is close to the actual site where they’re digging. Here’s that address on Google
6500 U.S. 150, Peoria, Illinois 61614
They turned his cell upside down also I recall looking for contraband. I wonder if they found something like letters, or anything that might of tipped them off. From my understanding they have to have a reason to search his cell. I wonder what was said, to why they wanted to search his cell if he is in isolation? That wasn’t to long ago, now we have this.
Oh, you’re right, Q4Y. The strip search was on May 25.
Q4Y – It’s my understanding that it is not uncommon to do searches after a “contact” visit.
Currently not raining in the Peoria area, although there is still weather moving through to the South. Hope this means they are able to get some excavation done.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/Media/break-stacy-peterson-case-police-search-rural-illinois/story?id=10835619
I’ll bet Drew is sweating puke just about now.
Heh, the cool-as-a-cucumber Drew? I don’t think anything rattles that man (I hate using that term). But, who knows what gets to him, except a wife that dares to go the opposite direction he is going.
tornado threat in Illinois today, esp. central, as per http://www.weather.com
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/authorities-pursue-a-lead-downstate-regarding-stacy-peterson.html
Do we have a link to the press conference? TIA
Interesting.
Well – I wonder if Drew has been to this gun club. People usually hide bodies at places they know very well that they think is very remote. (Sorry – it is hard not to speculate.)
Looks like David Alwan owns Echo Valley Meats and they process deer meat for hunters.
http://www.illinoismeatprocessors.com/pages/plants.php?type=deer
Hmm… Wondering if they have cameras keeping an eye on ole Drew. I’d love to be a fly on the wall to see how he is doing!
I missed something somewhere. Gun club?
I may have jumped to the conclusion that they actually process the meat for hunters… It is a meat processing company but I don’t know if they just have deer meat or they actually handle that stuff for hunters. Sorry.
Let’s hope so. I remember hearing constantly how Casey Anthony reacted when they told her the remains of her daughter were found, but that was, of course, once it was confirmed to be her baby. I suppose it would be helpful to see Peterson’s reaction after hearing this “news.”
OK – I think I’m losing my mind. I swear one of the articles I read said something about the search being near a gun club. I’ll see if I can find the article again.
Think, you may very well have read it. I’m trying to catch up and hadn’t seen any gun club mentioned on the pages here but maybe it’s in something from yesterday. I’ll go back to that thread too.
Link to Joe Hosey story with video
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/peterson/2358242,peoria-sources-search-for-Stacys-body-jo060510.article
Think, maybe initial reports translated “hunting area” into gun club, but in current articles, all I’m seeing is mention of “hunting grounds” and “private hunting area.”
I’m getting that sinking feeling……
Didn’t yesterday’s TMZ article say that the dogs had hit on a spot and when they injected probes into the area they hit something hard? I would presume that they dug in that spot first……and came up empty-handed??
Gulp….
Alwan looks like a pretty decent guy:
http://www.echovalleymeats.com/?q=node/8
From above link:
Illinois State Police, Peoria County Sheriff’s deputies and federal agents are at Big Hollow Sportsman’s Club at 7517 W. Grange Hall Road in rural Peoria County.
http://www.pjstar.com/breaking/x1834544444/Authorities-set-to-dig-for-Stacy-Peterson-body-near-Peoria
Someone else found this for me!
It would be easy for Drew and Alwan to know each other since Drew owned restaurants. No?
I’m not trying to imply Alwan knew anything about Drew possibly dumping Stacy’s body on his property. What I meant to imply was that if Alwan and Drew knew each other, it’s quite possible that he’d invited Drew to come hunting on his property at some point.
The inmate personally took authorities to the club about 10 a.m. Friday morning, when the search commenced. Officers are probing the ground and sifting through soil by hand, though an end-loader and back hoe are on the scene if needed.
This is from the link about the Sportsman’s Club. The inmate actually exists? And had contact with Drew? Someone who had been in the Medical Unit?
I’m sorry to be so far behind and probably posting stuff that has already been talked about. I hadn’t realized they have been searching since yesterday morning.
Alwan says he has never met Drew:
“The 150-acre parcel is owned by Dave Alwan, who said Saturday that he was asked by authorities not to reveal information about the search. Alwan did say he had never met Drew Peterson and had no idea why his property may have been selected as a site to dispose of a body.
“‘Heck no, not a guy like that,’ Alwan said when asked whether he knew Drew Peterson. ‘It’s the craziest thing ever.’”
There is NO inmate. That is wrong, false, inaccurate. It’s from the first web story from TMZ of this morning, and it’s been confirmed by LE it’s wrong.
The link above — http://www.pjstar.com/breaking/x1834544444/Authorities-set-to-dig-for-Stacy-Peterson-body-near-Peoria — says this: (It’s much more current than TMZ)
Lots of meat in that article:
Well – the person could have been a actual inmate – but most likely not an inmate that Drew talked to. Maybe the accomplice got caught doing something else wrong and started talking to save his own hide.
But – as we have seen many, many times – the media jumps to report something and sometimes gets things wrong and then go back to correct them. It’s hard to sit back and just wait until all of the dust (or mud) settles though. Just wishing that this part of the nightmare could be over for her family. :/
Could it be the “inmate” is from another jail? Someone being housed elsewhere than Drew, but still an inmate?
Location of Madison Park Shopping Center in Peoria:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Madison+Park+Shopping+Center,+Peoria,+IL&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.545434,92.724609&ie=UTF8&hq=Madison+Park+Shopping+Center,&hnear=Peoria,+IL&ll=40.687017,-89.643631&spn=0.072764,0.181103&t=h&z=13
How far is that from where this hunting spot is?
Well the link to Peoria could be from the accomplice that hid the barrel rather than Drew. I imagine that they have asked the land owner if he knows that person as well but Mr. Alwan has done a good job of keeping quiet for now. I feel bad for him – his life will be heck with all of the media who will be chasing him in the coming days and if her remains are found there then the national media will be all over him as well and the defense could try turning him into their Roy Kronk.
I think it’s been stated several times that Drew is being held in the medical wing. Isn’t it possible that another inmate who was in the medical wing might have the opportunity to talk with Drew? I honestly don’t believe that DP is kept confined 24/7.
Fromwhat I can tell it looks like the shopping center would be about 30 minutes away from Jubilee College State Park (which was mentined in one of the articles) but I’m not certain how close that is to where they were searching.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/archive/Drew-Petersons-Jailhouse-Interview.html
Wonder why you guys don’t give any weight to this quote, may I ask?
http://www.suntimes.com/2358222,drew-peterson-stacy-body-dig-peoria-060510.article
That letter could come back to haunt them because I would think that the date the letter was postmarked would help them to look at the cell phone records of the alleged accomplice who pointed the spot out to see if they were in that area at that time.
I was told there is no accomplice, but a source that “knows” where the remains of Stacy are buried.
Rescue, I give it weight.
“The tip did not come from an inmate at the jail,” said Will County Sheriff’s spokesman Pat Barry.
I’m just wondering whether it could have come from an inmate from ANOTHER jail.
facs and rescue — I’m not trying to ignore those posts about Drew being isolated as well as the one about nobody at the jail knowing anything…BUT…..haven’t we seen before when there have been things that came out later which showed that Drew actually did have contact with people and also that a jailer isn’t allowed to say anything that might compromise an investigation?
Just sayin’….
Well for one thing, it says they have no knowledge of anything, so that doesn’t mean there isn’t anything. Also, that latest article seemed pretty current and detailed. It may not be quite the way TMZ reported it, but there may be an inmate involved.
Well – the sheriff’s office didn’t know anything about the search until 3am and it apparently all started going down on Friday so he doesn’t seem to be “in the know” on this which I think also shows the link is probably not from Drew.
As I said though – maybe the person was in jail with the accomplice – not Drew – and maybe it wasn’t even in Will County. They could have been in Cook County Jail or somewhere else and Sheriff Barry wouldn’t have knowledge of what goes on in the other jails.
I will say though – TMZ did have some good information that was confirmed. But it appears to have been sprinkled with misinformation.
When I read that quote, the first thing I thought of was:
I know nothing. NOTHING!
~ Sergeant Schulz/Hogan’s Heroes
And that is why I questioned it.
TMZ has really changed in the last few years. I actually got excited when I saw that they were the ones breaking the story since their record has improved so much. But I agree, they probably don’t have all the facts or don’t have all the facts right.
LOL, then, I think in order to keep out the information we sometimes get from our “reliable” sources, we’ll just hold back on that and let the news accounts speak for themselves.
That’s what I was thinking, too. There are plenty of examples of the police saying things to throw reporters off the track. I didn’t give that statement too much credence for that reason.
Personally, I haven’t seen anything like that. I know that Drew is kept in isolation (for his own safety) and that his visitors are limited to those on his visitors list. AFAIK, he isn’t allowed any contact visits, though I could be wrong about that. I know in the early days I saw reports that he saw people through closed-circuit video. I do also remember the story about Drew and Joel playing cards and I don’t know if that was face time or not. I know when Raines visted him it was through video and headset.
Another thing the TMZ report that seemed exaggerated was the way they made it sound like they pinpointed a very specific location, and probed a “mass”. Either that, or it was dug up and turned up nothing. Hopefully we’ll find out soon.
Okay, rescue….I know…..I know…..
BUT….
Oh, never mind!
I think this is all pretty common when a new big story breaks.
I saw all of this same exact stuff when my daughter got clipped by a car that crashed into a group of kids standing/sitting outside of a local pizza place, crashed through the window, and almost to the counter. Even the police were quoted saying something that totally was wrong. They said the girl was parked and hit the gas instead of the brakes and she was driving through the awkward strip mall parking lot and plowed right into them. They even reported the car color wrong.
I also saw all kinds of misinformation out there on the Oswego crash that killed 5 kids.
People are just hungry to get the latest and greatest and the media no longer only reports just facts – articles are facts mixed with speculation and they quote other news (or quasi-news) sources and change their wording a little which makes it like the telephone game.
Yep. We’ll know a lot more in a day or two. Right now the media is putting a lot of information out – probably not all as confirmed as it should be.
Kind of silly poll up on the Chicago Tribune asking why you care if Drew Peterson was involved in Stacy’s disappearance:
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/tribnation/2010/06/do-you-care-if-drew-peterson-was-involved-in-stacy-petersons-disappearance.html
Photos from the scene today:
Photo 1:
Illinois State Police Master Sgt. Tom Burek speaks with occupants of an official vehicle leaving the Big Hollow Sportsman’s Club in rural Peoria County, Ill. Saturday, June 5, 2010.
Photo 2:
Law enforcement officers including Illinois State Police and Illinois Department of Natural Resources Conservation Police secure the entrance lane to the Big Hollow Sportsman’s Club site in rural Peoria County, Ill. Saturday, June 5, 2010.
AP Photos/Josh Bradshaw
Photo 3:
An Illinois State Police official speaks to homeowners adjacent to the Big Hollow Sportsman’s Club site in rural Peoria County, Ill. Saturday, June 5, 2010.
/Edited to add descriptions/
Any idea who the people are in the third photo?
“An Illinois State Police official speaks to homeowners adjacent to the Big Hollow Sportsman’s Club site in rural Peoria County, Ill. Saturday, June 5, 2010. Investigators picked their way across a muddy stretch of remote central Illinois Saturday as they followed a lead into the disappearance and possible homicide of the fourth wife of former suburban Chicago police officer Drew Peterson. Peterson already faces a murder charge in the 2004 killing of his third wife, Kathleen Savio. No one has been charged in the 2007 disappearance of his subsequent spouse, Stacy Peterson, and her body has not been found. (AP Photo/Josh Bradshaw)”
Some photos of the search scene up at TMZ. Yellow tape and a white awning. Maybe where they dug at first?
http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/05/drew-peterson-stacy-peterson-body-search-scene-photos-peoria-illinois/
More photos:
Photo 4
Joe Hosey/Sun-Times Media
Photo 5
Larry Kane/For Sun-Times Media
All I can say at this point is that I feel really sorry for Cass and Pam and any other family members that traipsed all the way to Peoria. I’m sure they were expecting a quick and clean “find,” but it seems at this point that nothing has turned up.
Nothing is worse than the wait. I pray they find something today.
Hey TAI good to see you! Finally, they are onto something big, hope and pray for Stacy’s family and friends
The press briefing said they will continue to search tomorrow as well. What a long night it will be if that’s the case. Well, the second long night techincally.
The tent could also just be setup near the area they were looking so they had something to protect them from the rain today. I’m starting to get the feeling this isn’t the lead they thought it would be. But it is good to see them doing a thorough search and I pray they find her.
I agree. It has to be a very long weekend for them. Prayers for the family and the searchers.
Just talked to someone who has had to sit in Will County Jail before. I was told that some of the inmates work in the kitchens etc and earn commissary. So, it could be possible he might have contact with maybe some of those inmates if they deliver the food. I know they help cook, and clean, in the kitchen not sure if they deliver or the guards do.
IMO though, I am leaning toward thinking whoever this accomplice is might of opened their mouth to someone, and that someone might of went to ISP who led them to the accomplice but I guess we won’t know the truth until it is told, and confirmed.
Any idea when or if it will be broadcast live (or streamed for those of us who don’t live in IL?)
There is something really nagging at me here. I can’t shake the “coincidence” of the two locations being only 14 miles apart — the shopping center where the unsigned letter came from and the property that is being searched. I honestly believe that Drew sent that letter just in case the body was ever found, pointing to how close they are.
CBS2 News is showing video right now. They show a bulldozer and they are digging a long hole by hand underneath the white tent. The tent is one of those ones that you can buy at Menards that has 6 posts and could fit a car or two underneath it.
I am thinking it will take awhile to dig being they take out layer, by layer as to not destroy any evidence, or anything around the crime scene should they find something.
I am wondering who this source is that knows where the remains are, but are saying there is no accomplice. Obviously if someone else knows where a body is hidden, and hasn’t said anything all this time, wouldn’t this make them an accessory to something? I mean your helping to hide, and conceal I would think, if you know about it and don’t come forward till now right?
My prayers,and thoughts with the family hoping they are holding up alright, and Stacy is found.
AltG – It is possible that if there was an accomplice they sent the letter while down there when they would have buried her or at a later visit. People usually bury people in remote places that they know very well. The thing is – the police have that letter and it is postmarked so the police can go back to the alleged accomplice’s and Drew’s cell phone to see if it pinged in that area on the day or day before the letter was postmarked.
The next part showed them digging very little amounts at a time – almost skiming the top with the shovel. They show 3 guys under the tent but only one shoveling. They also said it was near a private shooting range in Kickapoo, IL.
They said there is a news conference at 5:30pm.
The only thing new I gleaned from local news coverage was Joel saying that Drew “only wishes” he had a cell mate and that the isolation is wearing on him.
Also that the news conference with LE and the property owner will be held at 5:30 local time.
I guess I watched the wrong channel thinkaboutit. I was watching NBC News, but it didn’t have the CBS coverage you mentioned! We’ll see what happens at 5:30 then.
That gives me hope that it is just a tedious process and they are being extra cautious. Good for them…….but poor Cass and the family that had to drive down with their heart racing only to be sitting around waiting for news in a strange area.
Photos of digging here:
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/stacy.peterson.body.2.1734363.html
AltG – The only thing I can think of is to go to wbbm780.com and click on Listen Live. They may not cover the actual news conference but they usually play clips from them and have been talking about the search today when I’ve had my radio on.
Oh for the love of Pete! Nobody ever said that DP had a cell mate; only that he said something to another inmate. What a jerk.
I hope this version of the story is right:
“‘We faced the reality a long time ago that [Stacy] is not with us anymore, that she’s dead,’ Bosco said, adding that the family is not expected to travel to the scene of the search Saturday.”
It really will be a relief to know that the family is still in BB, not having to pace and wait.
Hosey’s story is being updated often. Always a good idea to check back for new quotes, etc.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2358222,drew-peterson-stacy-body-dig-peoria-060510.article
Based on this article I stand corrected that he wouldn’t even be around kitchen inmates. From what Joel says, which isn’t always accurate is that Drew isn’t allowed around ANY inmates at all, except his immediate family, and attorneys. Although it has been said Chrissy has been up there recently and she isn’t family so who knows what is truth, or not, or really going on over there.
AFAIK, he communicates with visitors through video and headphones…or did. I guess that might have changed.
Here is a link to the video from the CBS2 5pm news:
http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=71786@wbbm.dayport.com
Thx, TAI.
I can’t hear the news conference anywhere but Hosey is updating his Twitter that nothing was found yet and that they may be there for a week.
joehosey No evidence found on first day of search. A forensic anthropologist has been digging with a shovel in a 10-by-10 area.
1 minute ago via txt
A forensic pathologist. Good. They’re not taking any chances of botching the investigation.
How much you wanna bet that ISP is going over the videotapes of the post office from the day the Peoria letter was mailed? I still think that’s a stong connection.
WBBM780 is reporting that they are bringing in an expert anthropologist but nothing else new.
Oops. Forensic anthropologist.
WTH?? Joe Hosey is now posting on Twitter that there is an about face and the forensic anthropologist is giving up and the police may or may not keep searching. Why would they say that minutes after saying they may be looking for a week.
Very, very odd. Wow.
That makes no sense. All parties put their heads together before a press conference. Why would there be two totally different messages coming out of the same press conference?
Something is wrong here. How cruel.
Maybe he means for TODAY. Just for today they are done?
Search may go on for a week…but police and anthropologist are giving up? Color me confused.
IDK – Maybe I need to just totally step away from all media outlets when these “leads” come about. :/ I just keep thinking I cannot imagine being her family or the children. My prayers go out to them.
The family has got to take some comfort in the fact that tips continue to come in and that the ISP continues to follow up. We know she is “somewhere”.
I “thought” I understood from WBBM that they didn’t expect to continue searching tomorrow, but are leaving the door open. I can’t recall exactly how it was stated, but the reporter mentioned starting back up on Monday as a possibility.
That’s even more confusing. Why not tomorrow then?
Maybe the conditions are so bad with all the rain.
Rescue, I’m leaning toward the same thought. If the mud was bad today, then it’s going to be worse tomorrow. I think storms are moving through Illinois until late tonight.
Can anyone tweet Joe for clarification?
New update from Joe Hosey:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2358222,drew-peterson-stacy-body-dig-peoria-060510.article
That’s intriguing.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Cops-Deny-Lead-on-Stacy-Petersons-Body-tmz-95683979.html
It must be considered a very valid lead as I don’t think the cops are going to run out with their shovels on any old “hearsay, gossip and innuendo” or information from “a friend of a friend of a friend” as Joel Brodsky likes to imply.
I just listened to WBBM again, and the reporter stated no additional searches for today or tomorrow, but they are not ruling out a possible search on Monday. No reason given in the brief.
I can’t wait to hear what Greta has to say tonight. She’s doing a special at 9 ET on Juron van der Sloot (or whatever his name is). I bet she’ll mention this search.
I feel so bad for the family. This has got to be a tremendous let down. I can just hear Brodsky crowing now. I’m sure he’s setting up a press conference as we speak!
I don’t see anything newer than this story quoted up above.
The part that doesn’t make sense is that the first part of the press conference (as quoted here — I didn’t hear it) said that they were going to continue, even if it took a week. Then a few minutes later they said that it was being abandoned.
What is that all about? Rescue, is there any way to get clarification from Hosey?
Is this his final story?
http://www.suntimes.com/2358222,drew-peterson-stacy-body-dig-peoria-060510.article
They still aren’t admitting who provided the tip?
Maybe in order to put the “sophisticated equipment” that was mentioned in place, see if the ground dries up any…who knows?
That’s the latest I’ve seen.
Geraldo is featuring a clip on the Drew Peterson investigation. On right now.
Greta’s show was a bust! Most of it was stuff that she covered years ago.
Geraldo showing the scenes from Peoria County. Not sure if it will follow the Joran Van der Sloot segment or come before it. Watching now. Show beginning with the oil slick problem.
Fox News Chicago did an extensive story, mostly information we already know, but they did report that this “tip” and the search are by no means over. This isn’t the end of it.
Geraldo talking about DP now. Has Craig Wall on at the scene.
He said it is significant in that the ISP said they are not done. He just said they “are far from done.”
Geraldo: Do you have any further information about the origin of the tip? Craig: No. It did not come from someone in the jail, but from some other lead.
All the reports I am seeing tonight say not done digging, not done searching in that area.
BTW, reports of tornadoes currently moving through central Illinois. Reports of extensive damage in Streator. Take care!
Watched WGn news and Marcella Raymond was not on camera because they had to tear down their equipment. She had just emerged from some nice person’s basement.
Has Kimberly Guilfoyle and Baden on the show. Going to a commercial.
I must note that Brodsky was interviewed and absolutely thinks this is all being done by LE in light of Peterson’s upcoming trial, trying to rattle him.
Ok then.
That just brought a big smile to my face. DP rattled? Mr. Cool and Collected?
Gosh, why would an innocent man be rattled?
No, gosh, why are we to believe that Brodsky saying this elaborate scheme is all a hoax, just to rattle his client? Why, is his client rattled?
Yeah, The State needs publicity for the trial because they don’t have anything – LOL !
I just recalled that earlier today when Joel made the comment about Drew wishing he had a cell-mate. He added “the isolation is wearing on him.” Isn’t that an odd statement when usually Joel makes sure to mention that Drew is doing just fine, that he’s bearing up well?
Why today, of all days, mention that Drew isn’t doing particularly well? Cuz maybe today Drew wasn’t doing so well and he felt he needs to explain it somehow?
So Drew is “rattled”, is he?
Well, now, did he require anti-rattle assistance today?
Seems Brodskers is a tad rattled as well. Must be catchy.
Yeah, the isolation is wearing on Drew, so they (Drew & Defense) drag out the trial as long as they can with every silly motion and excuse they can think of.
Remember Joel, the State said they are ready – why aren’t you ??
LOL@rescue
I still say the letter was mailed by Drew from the shopping center as part of a ruse in case Stacy was ever found. I bet he’s a lot more rattled than ever before in his life.
Interesting, when those remains were found in the Des Plaines river year ago, Joel Brodsky reported that drew was “unconcerned”.
Certainly not rattled.
Funny how Joel doesn’t emphasize Stacy isn’t there this time.
He only emphasized on the fact Drew didn’t do the talking (!!)
Raw video of Fox interview with Joel Brodsky. In this interview he states numerous times that Drew was upbeat today (although the isolation is wearing on him), so make of that what you will. Thanks, Docsdaughter for the link.
Just had a thought. Suppose the forensic archaeologist started working the soil and determined that it was too hard and undisturbed. That it couldn’t possibly have been dug up in any recent years? Perhaps they just needed to go back to that source and regroup.
The dogs hitting on that area would be one thing that could jeopardize that theory, though.
Wonder why they even felt the need to talk on a Saturday? Glad to hear everything was so upbeat and unconsequential. Jeez..Drew could have used that phone call for…I don’t know…one of his kids maybe?
Joel produced photos of “Stacy in Thailand” well after the so called Peoria sighting/letter at the time.
Wouldn’t you think he’d be making a lot of noise and waving these photos around again now as proof of his clients innocense ?
NO, all Joel says is that Drew never talked to any inmates how Stacy was killed and where the body was buried……..
6:41 minutes in. Watch Joel state something emphatically, and then hesitate, twitch, blink, writhe and touch his face. LOL. It’s just too rich!!
Wow, he is 100% sure that this is LE devoting all of this time and manpower just to dirty up Drew Peterson a month before his trial, and they’re going to request and expect a change of venue and a delay in the trial? This is just LE playing mind games with Peterson?
Amazing.
Brodsky brings up the bones being discovered along the Des Plaines River, and blaming someone, anyone, for saying it was Stacy, even though the bones turned out to be male. How about, there were other victims’ families also waiting for identification of those bones to see if it was their loved one. He’s so full of himself, he acts and thinks like everyone who listens to him hasn’t got a brain to think past his nonsense.
Joel:
So Joel is going to file a motion to delay the trial because the state continues to look for Stacy? And according to Joel this is all “incorrect news” ?
How does anyone “dirty up” Drew Peterson? We’ve been watching Drew do that for over two and a half years.
OMG – Brodsky is such a bonehead!!! The ISP really had nothing better to do than stage all of this to mess with Drew? REALLY? What an idiot! Spending time, money and resources for the fun of it?
NEWSFLASH JOEL – I seriously doubt that the ISP are jokesters like Drew!!
The blank stares from Brodsky are new in that interview. He had several of them.
I noticed that too. Joel didn’t seem nearly as agitated as he usually does. He seemed almost introspective at times. Me thinks he has a lot on his mind!
G’night all!
Problem is they could be digging in right area just a foot or so over from where it really is. Just because Dog might of hit in an area, the remains could be over a foot or two and throwing them off. It will take time but if Stacy is there, they will find her! It must be a really good tip, and lead, somebody they believe to be credible to go hiring professional forensics, and start digging up, with the coroner on call waiting. They won’t do that just because somebody came forward and said that, unless they really believed she could be there.
I especially like how he rambles on about all of the false rumors against Drew since Stacy disappeared, but conveniently must have forgotten all of the false sightings he and his client blubbered about over and over. Peoria, Kentucky, Thailand, Florida. Must have forgotten that he blatantly held up 10 year old pictures of Tom Morphy on a cable news show as depicting Morphy being high in the present.
The biggest lie and rumor of all? Stacy ran off to bathe in the sunlight, on a beach, with a mystery guy, taking her bikini along.
How about the big sigh and “phew” at the beginning of the interview.
Amazingly he didn’t say: “here goes my Saturday” or “here goes my Summer” – LOL !
Cadaver dogs, backhoes, a forensic anthropologist all employed to search the sodden shores of Kickapoo Creek…not to find a missing person, but only a expensive, heartless charade (remember the families are praying) staged to make Drew Peterson look bad.
So whenever the ISP launches a search for a missing person are we not to conclude that it’s really just an evil game to rob some poor sap of his constitutional right to a fair trial?
Even Joel doesn’t look like he believes the BS he’s trying to spin.
I really wish we knew who the source was, and what exactly was said, and how they know, or think Stacy is there. That would answer alot of questions. If this person is from the area here in Bolingbrook we might even know who the source is. I guess they going to keep it tight lipped, and not say a word about it till they know one way or the other.
Oh, right, Facs. Even Joel doesn’t look like he believes what he’s saying. In fact, in the lightness of the moment in the raw video, doesn’t he say “how’s that,” or something to that effect.
I don’t want to watch that again to see if I got that last part right. I don’t want to and you can’t make me.
Yep I agree and totally denying Lenny, and Paula did those overhears. He denied a lot of things and said it was false, later to be proven otherwise.
I’ll have to give Drew sole credit for that. He started out pretty much unknown and then his media-whoring and bad behavior exposed some pretty dirty stuff. No, wait, Joel helped too — whenever possible.
Right exactly Drew complained and whined that the media was hounding him yet he was on tv, or the radio every chance he got. If anybody tainted the jury it was his own self, and his attorney. They were the ones promoting the case, and his chicken wings, nobody else. You can’t pick and choose what info is out there if your provoking it, and then mad because someone comes forward with the real story, and truth.
*UPDATED*
Police end search for Stacy Peterson’s body
June 5, 2010
By JOE HOSEY jhosey@stmedianetwork.com
The search for Stacy in the muddy, rugged terrain of a wooded property outside Peoria ended with a forensic pathologist throwing in the towel after sifting through a 10-foot-by-10-foot patch of earth from dawn till about 6 p.m.
The state police combing through the same area gave up along with the anthropologist and had no plans to return Sunday morning.
“We’ve exhausted the digging portion (of the search) with the anthropologist,” said Master Sgt. Tom Burek, a spokesman for the state police.
A detail of troopers was staying behind to guard the site, Burek said, and detectives were expected to return at an undisclosed date to check out the mysterious “lead” that brought them to Peoria in the first place.
“We are pursuing some other avenues in reference to this lead and we will be back in this area,” Burek said.
Peoria lead
Burek would not disclose where the lead came from or how it was developed. He also declined to say whether or not any evidence was recovered during the search, but another law enforcement source was more forthcoming.
The source said nothing was found. He was also less than optimistic about the potential of this lead.
“I’m not convinced yet,” he said. “Put it that way.”
Earlier in the search, there was a much greater air of hope.
“It was a very positive lead they were following up on,” Pam Bosco, the spokeswoman for Stacy’s family, said of the impression she was given by the state police. “They’ve been more positive on this than any of the leads they’ve had in the past.”
But by day’s end, that hope had evaporated.
“It just seems like a lot of chaos over nothing much,” Bosco said.
Missing mother
Stacy, the fourth wife of disgraced former Bolingbrook cop Drew Peterson, vanished in October 2007. The state police suspect she was the victim of foul play and that Peterson had a hand in doing her in, but have yet to charge him with harming her.
Stacy’s disappearance forced the state police to take another look at the March 2004 drowning death of Peterson’s third wife, Kathleen Savio. The state police insisted for three and a half years that Savio was the victim of a freak bathtub accident, but changed their minds after Stacy went missing.
Peterson was charged with Savio’s murder in May 2009. He is in custody at the county jail and set to go to trial July 8.
Big Hallow Sportsman’s
The police and the anthropologist searched an area northwest of Peoria. The property is closed off by a wrought iron gate identifying the place as “Big Hollow Sportsman’s,” punctuated with pictures of deer and pheasants.
The owner of the property, David Alwan, said he knew little of Drew Peterson.
“I heard the name and that’s about it,” he said. “I saw him on TV like everyone else.”
Bosco said that, to her knowledge, Stacy may have never visited Peoria during her life.
Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, scoffed at the idea that Stacy might be under the ground in Peoria — the same central Illinois town where she was supposedly sighted wandering around a Kroger supermarket in the months immediately following her disappearance.
“That’s unbelievable,” Brodsky said. “What a mess.”
Another of Peterson’s attorneys, Joseph “Shark” Lopez, compared the search to Geraldo Rivera’s infamous opening of Al Capone’s vault and asked if the police found “any horseshoes?”
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/peterson/2358242,peoria-sources-search-for-Stacys-body-jo060510.article
Dang! I want to know the source for this information so I can decide for myself how “credible” they are. Could the credible source have been given less-than-credible information?
By Patrick Oldendorf, Phil Luciano and Matt Buedel
Journal Star
Posted Jun 05, 2010 @ 11:21 AM
Last update Jun 05, 2010 @ 10:07 PM
DUNLAP — Law enforcement officials have exhausted their initial search for the body of a former Bolingbrook police sergeant’s fourth wife in rural Peoria County, but the effort will resume within days.
Illinois State Police Master Sgt. Tom Burek told reporters Saturday evening that investigators and an anthropologist had finished digging in a 10-foot-by-10-foot area on Dave Alwan’s Echo Valley Farms property.
They were looking for the body of Stacy Peterson, who has been missing since October 2007. Her husband, Drew Peterson, has been charged with the death of his third wife. The cases have attracted national attention.
Burek said investigators would be back to the site as early as Monday, though he would not say why they stopped digging Saturday evening or what they would be doing when they returned.
Peoria County Coroner Johnna Ingersoll confirmed that no human remains had been found as of Saturday evening.
The Peterson investigative team arrived in Peoria on Friday morning after receiving what was deemed a credible tip.
Alwan, owner of Echo Valley Meats and the new 309 restaurant, described the way he felt when he got a phone call from police Friday morning asking him about his rural Dunlap property in one word: shock.
“It was like ‘Are you kidding me?’ ” he said. “I was in shock. Who would have ever guessed?”
Alwan said he went out to Echo Valley Farms, located on Grange Hall Road near Trigger Road, to accompany about 15 investigators onto the land.
“I took them out on my John Deere tractor,” he said. “They wanted to make sure that the spot they were looking for was on my property.”
Alwan said he has never met Drew Peterson and has no idea whether or why his property may have been used to hide the body of Stacy Peterson. The farm is primarily used to grow soy beans and alfalfa, Alwan said
Conflicting reports abound as to where that tip leading to Alwan’s land originated. Initial reports indicated an inmate with Drew Peterson in the Will County Jail led authorities to Alwan’s property. The likelihood of that scenario has been called into question, but sources also told the Journal Star it was correct.
Those sources also said the inmate personally took authorities to the site. Burek would not say when the tip was received or confirm those reports.
The Illinois State Police, Will County State’s Attorney criminal investigators and several other police agencies arrived on the site, located on West Grange Hall Road near Trigger Road at about 10 a.m. Friday morning.
Sources told the Journal Star a cadaver dog alerted handlers to human remains in the area sometime Friday. An anthropologist from the Dixon Mounds site in Fulton County was called in to aid with the search. Sources said the scientist was brought in to help determine whether the ground had been disturbed.
Police didn’t start excavating until Saturday. No equipment or personnel were visible from the road. The dig site was located a considerable distance off the road in a heavily wooded area.
The rain that fell overnight Friday didn’t make the digging any easier, though Burek said he didn’t believe it was hampering the search.
Burek wouldn’t confirm that police were searching for Stacy Peterson’s body, though several other authorities, including Ingersoll and State’s Attorney Kevin Lyons did.
Stacy Peterson’s family was alerted of the tip, and the Chicago Sun-Times reported that her family had arrived in Peoria on Saturday to await news.
Stacy Peterson has been missing since October 2007. Drew Peterson is incarcerated in isolation at the Will County Jail on first-degree murder charges in the 2004 death of this third wife, Kathleen Savio. She was believed to have drowned in her bathtub, but the case was ruled a homicide after Stacy Peterson disappeared.
Bolingbrook is 140 miles from Peoria. Sources say they know of no connection between Drew Peterson and Peoria County, such as for hunting or social reasons. Burek reiterated that claim at a press conference Saturday.
However, in November 2007, Drew Peterson revealed that he had received an unsigned letter alleging Stacy Peterson had been spotted in Peoria. The letter, bearing a Peoria postmark, purported that a possibly pregnant Stacy Peterson had been at the Kroger store at the Madison Park Shopping Center. Police could never confirm that information.
http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1834544444/Authorities-set-to-dig-for-Stacy-Peterson-body-near-Peoria
Looks like they had some rough weather out that way, even tornados
Journal Star
Posted Jun 05, 2010 @ 08:08 PM
Last update Jun 05, 2010 @ 11:04 PM
ELMWOOD — At least 15 tornados have touched down in the Tri-County Area between 7:45 p.m. and 9:15 p.m., and a tornado watch for much of central Illinois remains in effect until 11 p.m.
Two of those tornados hit Elmwood four minutes apart, causing what witnesses said looked like a war zone.
Officials there said there were no apparent injuries or fatalities as of 9:30 p.m.
Tornados also touched down in Peoria, Hanna City, Washington and East Peoria. Damage reports from those twisters we not immediately available.
For more complete details, check pjstar.com later or read Sunday’s Journal Star.
http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1332185244/Tornado-warning-in-effect-after-tornado-touches-down
Just wanted to point out that despite Joel’s allegations, the State doesn’t appear to want to use news of this search in any way in regards to the murder charges for Kathleen Savio. It is Joel who mentioned be might try to leverage it to get a change of venue or a trial delay. Good luck with that, Joel.
This looks like the “final” story Hosey mentioned in his tweet:
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/peterson/2358242,peoria-sources-search-for-Stacys-body-jo060510.article
Looks like Joel wants to use everything and anything, whether it is relevant or not, to get rid of Judge White, drag out the case until Judge Whites retirement, obtain a change of venue away from Judge White, different Jury selection, or all of the above !
“That’s unbelievable,” Brodsky said. “What a mess.”
Oops maybe you should remember to use your depends next time before the interview!
That’s what I was thinking last night.
Big question remains as to why the cadaver dogs would hit on the site. I wonder if cadaver dogs will hit on an old scent (meaning that a body had been there, but is no longer) or only hit on active scents.
Interesting first-hand observations posted at Web Sleuths from someone who lives in the area of the dig:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5254062&postcount=295
…..continued
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/05/drew.peterson.search/?hpt=T3
I’ve heard Sgt. Burek make comments enough in the past to know he words his statements very carefully to reflect the actual events of the moment. I certainly don’t know what he was either saying or trying to avoid saying, but there’s a usual meaning in his choice of words. Who knows, maybe, if this is all as credible as they say, there are personal effects/clothing in one area, and human remains in another. In my wild imagination, I can envision that the clothes a murder victim was wearing at the time of death would attract a cadaver dog if they were buried at a location that was different than the remains. JMO.
This would explain why the news conference suddenly took a turn from (paraphrased) “we’ll search for a week if we have to” to “we’re done searching and don’t know when we’ll be back.” If indeed they were creating a ruse to get everyone away from the area so they could remove something, that makes sense.
The only reason I can think of for the high-level secrecy would be to keep Drew and his team off-guard, which would be a good reason. It’s quite possible that ISP doesn’t want the Stacy case to jeopardize Kathy’s case — for now.
Where does Joel hope to move the trial to? Peoria? I find many of the comments from the defense to be unprofessional. Total lack of class. IMO
Congratulations, DD! That means you’re normal and you’ve been paying attention!
OT but Peoria-related.
You’d be surprised that Peoria is uttered in our household pretty regularly. We’ve adopted its alternative meaning according to “The Greater Meaning of Liff” by Douglas Adams (Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy) and John Lloyd.
http://folk.uio.no/alied/TMoL.html#anchorP
Peoria (n) The fear of not peeling enough potatoes.
Another of their suggestions works for us, too:
Kentucky (adv) Fitting exactly and satisfyingly. The cardboard box that fits perfectly into a space in the garage, the book the fills the bookshelf precisely is referred to as “all nice and Kentucky”.
If you’re not acquainted with the above, I promise you a treat of a read.
I hope no one thinks I’m being disrespectful. I just was thinking that Stacy and Kitty, both homemakers, would have a laugh at this with us. (and know from experience the frisson peoria!)
LOL @ DD “Joel wanting to move the trial to Peoria!”
Grabbed this photo from the Tribune site. I thought it was a good overhead image of the area where they were digging yesterday. The stream is Kickapoo Creek.
I keep thinking of the accomplice/inmate/whoever who was reported to have travelled to the spot with LE and indicated where to dig. If this was a false tip, that would be a a pretty ballsy move on their part, IMO.
Of course, Casey Anthony walked the halls of Walt Disney World with LE saying she worked there and took them to an apartment that had nothing to do with her child’s disappearance. But, the difference is that Casey was being questioned and under duress. What was the situation with this Peterson tipster…if they even exist?
Sorry, facs, I believe there is more to the story than we’re being told. It was confirmed that dogs hit on that site, which is no small matter. Those dogs train daily and know the difference between human remains and a dead possum. The letter sent from the nearby shopping center really nags at me, too. Of all the places to send an anonymous letter, the fact that one was sent from a location 14 miles away from the possible burial site is too much of a coincidence to ignore.
The eyewitness report above also leads me to believe that something was fouond and taken away from the site, but they didn’t want the press to catch on. They shooed everyone away as we saw on one video clip.
This Channel 7 truck seemed to be far enough away to not cause problems, but both the camerman and reporter felt that the way the police were acting was not the normal crime scene behavior. They feel convinced that something was going on and that the van which was seen rushing off amidst the police cars was a corroner’s van.
My hunch is that something important was found yesterday and once the coroner was safely off the property the press conference suddenly changed tune to one of “nothing here guys….we’re goin’ home….” so that everything would die down so they could work on the evidence collected without the media frenzy.
I know in my own criminal case (I was a victim — not the perp!) there were several times the police threw out misleading statements, telling us victims to sit tight and NOT believe what we’d be hearing in the news.
Just a hunch…..because that’s the only thing that makes sense to me right now.
Think about this for a moment….
Why the heck would the police give a rat’s $%# if the media stayed at the hunting site? All the media knew about the press conference and anyone who wanted to go there could go. Or stay and send someone else on their team to the confernce.
Why would the police be shooing everyone away from the property if there was nothing to hide? Surely they couldn’t care less if all the reporters were at the press conference.
I sure hope you’re right atlgranny!
I’ve been out scrubbing down my back porch all morning and thinking about this case. I check the thread when I come in on a break. (My last child gets married next Saturday, so I’m trying to catch up on Spring cleaning before all the guests arrive!)
The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced that something was found. The bizarre way the press conference switched tune mid-sentence. The police clearing the area. The letter. The dogs. The probing of the soil which hit something that caused the police to bring in a forensic archaeologist for that one particular area. The archaeologist quitting the site before dark when it had already been announced that they would stay the course for as long as necessary.
I keep thinking back to the numerous times that Cass and Pam had said they can’t talk about everything the police had found and knowing that in my own case there were many times that we were told things that we couldn’t share until the trial.
Go back to Pam’s statement — they were more hopeful with this lead than with any others. Has she made any statement since yesterday saying how disappointed they are that nothing was found? Not to my knowledge.
Even Brodsky was more subdued than we’ve ever seen him. That braggadacio was missing last night (for the most part — after all, we are talking Brodsky here).
Naw….my gutt screams that something very important was found yesterday and they either don’t want to sideline the Savio case or they are waiting for DNA evidence to clinch their case on Stacy. As a matter of fact, I think that the fact that the Savio case is so close they are almost compelled to keep anything they find out about Stacy under wraps so that it won’t jeopardize that case.
Granny, I totally agree with your outlook, I had the same feeling yesterday evening, when that abrupt turn of face from the Police happened, re the searching. The rushing off of the media to a press conference in the land owners restaurant, no doubt, feeding them a meal also. Something is definitely up, I am just not sure what exactly. I believe DP is going to go down, and he is going to go down HARD!
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said, ATLGranny. In my comment above yours I was pointing out that someone gave a very specific tip and is reported to have brought LE to the spot. My point that was that it would be a very ballsy/bizarre move to do that if was a false tip.
I couldn’t help but notice in the Brodsky video-someone here mentioned Brodsky’s ‘blank stares’. Did you all see that? When he’s not talking, (which, granted, is not very often), but when he’s listening, he DOES NOT BLINK! Eyes for Lies, where are you when we need you? LOL-just kidding.
It’s creepy, though. I’ve even tried doing it, and can’t. If he can control his reflexes, sure looks to me like he could control his mouth!
Cher, we should send her a link to that video and see what she has to say!
Oh-and one more thing. At 2:36 of Brodsky’s interview, he says, I swear:
“…3 walls of concrete and 1 wall of 1-way glass where they can see in and he can see out…”
What? This is bizarre, even for the Brod.
(I’ve listened to it 3/4/now 5 times.)
I heard that, too, Cheryl. That’s just Brodsky speaking faster than he can think. Nothing unusual there. We all knew what he meant.
Interesting. Credit to Websleuth, Read the last sentence
facs, I was basing my comment on your last sentence: “What was the situation with this Peterson tipster…if they even exist?”
I think the tipster was spot-on and they found something. They’re just not talking about what they found.
I wonder if the site at Kickapoo was the position of a fire, the dogs trained in smelling residue of accelerants, anthropologists brought in to look for bone fragments? Take soil samples away to the lab? Job done?
“Sources say that could be expedited, because in recent weeks, both of Drew and Stacy Peterson’s kids were swabbed for DNA to be used in case remains are found……………….”
Oh, my. This REALLY makes ME think that THEY think they could have something. I’d sort of denied myself thinking that until I read the link from WS, and then this. I mean-why just recently would they swab, after all this time?
I guess it could be that someone recently realized that another ball had been dropped, but still…
Dogs are trained for specific things. A dog trained for accelerants (arson) would not be trained in cadaver. Likewise, a dog trained in rescue (live bodies) is not trained in cadaver.
I have a relative that does fire department arson investigation with his dog. There are very specific things they must do each day with the dog to keep them in training. He actually competes around the country with his dog. Dog training is not easy. It’s extremely focused on whatever the end result is.
“It’s extremely focused on whatever the end result is.”
What I meant by that is they don’t mix up the dog by training them to search for bodies one day and then accelerants another day and drugs another day. A drug dog only does drugs. A cadaver dog only does cadavers. An arson dog only does arson. Etc.
Bucket, that’s brilliant. Really. A way of going around the end to get to the middle. Good on you.
Bucket @ #233. That is an interesting idea.
I have to say that, after watching Brodsky’s interview of last night, I don’t care and want to know what his interpretation of Peterson’s demeanor was throughout the day when he was told of this latest development. I’d rather hear the explanation of his reaction from the people who are monitoring his confinement! Why would I expect Brodsky to say Peterson was wigging out, bouncing off the walls, and anguishing over the day’s events? That would be stupid of him to say, no?
You’re right, Rescue. What Broddy says doesn’t mean a thing.
I don’t think DP’ll be enjoying his Sunday Dinner bologna loaf, though.
I had pointed out that Casey Anthony was under duress and in the middle of questioning at the time she took investigators with her to show them numerous false places of interest. I was contrasting that to the situation of this tipster at the time they spoke to LE and wondering what their situation was.
Not questioning at all that they were being accurate and also not questioning that they would speak about what they found. But since we have some reports that there was no accomplice/tipster I gave a nod to the possibility that they may not actually exist. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. I thought that it was.
Oh…I was thinking that you were doubting that the tipster had given good information and that, if it was bad information, that tipster was a jerk. My response was that I felt the tipster gave the right information and they found what they were looking for.
On another note, I’m not sure if getting DNA samples from the kids will make all that much difference. Wouldn’t Cass’s DNA sample be a closer match?
Blast from the past. Joel Brodsky will be talking to the softball throwing enabler and apologist, Dana Pretzer, on his Scared Monkey’s radio show tonight. Gag order, WHAT gag order??
Thanks, DD for the info:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/06/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-%e2%80%93-sunday-june-6th-2010-%e2%80%93-special-guests-joel-brodsky-jossy-mansur-blink-from-blink-on-crime-clint-van-zandt-red-from-scared-monkeys/
Facs- What would not be covered under the gag order? Can Brodsky speak about the Stacy Peterson search since Drew has not been charged with that? Joel wants the microphone again. Yawn. I bet he’s been working on his quotes all day.
Every time they stick a microphone in front of Joel he tries to talk about the Savio case, even if he’s been asked about Stacy Peterson! I’m surprised he’s not putting Drew on speakerphone for the media at this point.
BTW, I’m encouraged that there will be a number of guests on Pretzer’s show tonight besides Le Brodsque. That means it’s at least a possibility that someone will interject an intelligent question or comment.
Television interviews, radio shows no wonder Joel says there’s noway he can be ready for a July 8 trial date. I think he has his priority’s out of whack. Remember, he has a client who is anguish to go to trial. Yah right
According to Joel, he had a twenty minute conversation with Drew on Saturday. That’s a fairly lengthy call. That in itself demonstrates some concern. Maybe Joel is finally going to give everyone an update on their search notes for Stacy Peterson. You know all those searches they’ve been working on with Drew’s limited funds: credit cards, internet searches, etc. Drew can’t find Stacy, but he had no problem locating “Ashley.”
Twenty minute conversation on a Saturday…
Check out the second video at 42 seconds. Does it look like someone is down in a hole digging? It sure seems like there is digging inside the tent which is not just surface digging that we see in other clips.
Also, in the first video they do say that “cadaver” dogs hit on the site. I was pretty sure that I read initially that cadaver dogs were sent out, but I’m not sure which article I read that in.
altgranny- I thought in one of the many videos I’ve viewed during the past 24 hours, that there appeared to be a deeper rectangular hole toward the center of the tent. Then I thought maybe that’s they way they do a professional dig – in grid sections-working each part of the area carefully down, layer by layer, segment by segment. Maybe we’ll hear more in the upcoming days.
I just found out that if you put your mouse on the video and right click, it will give you an option of watching it on You Tube. Duh. I guess everybody knew that but me.
However-Granny, to answer your question, yes, there is a hole, yes, someone does go down into it at :42. Indubitably. Looked to be about 3′ deep. Am I talking about what you’re seeing?
Check out the second video at 42 seconds. Does it look like someone is down in a hole digging? It sure seems like there is digging inside the tent which is not just surface digging that we see in other clips.
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Yes, something is up in Peoria that’s for sure and this search is not the result of a body already being found that could belong to any missing loved one, but a very specific search for Stacy Peterson as the result of a tip off (!!)
Therefore Joels flippant remarks about previous investigations and the body found on the river bank last year were extremely disrespectful and totally irrelevant to
anything happening at present.
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Joel Brodsky on Scared Monkeys said very much the same thing he said in the Fox interview (only he sounded like he was in a bar this time).
Joel said he first heard of the TMZ story via a 4am call on Saturday morning. Said that Drew confiding in an inmate at the WCAD facility is “impossible”. Also said (strangely) that the search in Peoria was “similarly impossible”.
Then he added that he would really like to see the ISP “wake up” and look at the possibility that Stacy Peterson might be still alive and in hiding. He said a couple times that in three years NO lead has been verified or substantiated as to Drew having any involvement in Stacy’s disappearance.
Blink of “Blink on Crime” weighed in with her take on Joel’s statement. She mentioned Thomas Morphey as an example of a lead that has panned out (and how!).
She also shared an interesting rumor. Her sources tell her that some person who had known Drew from his previous life (and pointed out that meal-bringers and bookcart wheelers are inmates) approached Drew in jail and acting as a decoy told him “You have four weeks to trial. Tell us where she is so we can move her” and that’s how the tip was obtained.
Interesting. But unverified.
Either I’m losing my mind, or this latest news coverage makes absolutely no sense! They’re actively pursuing this latest tip, but there’s no plans to resume the search on the farm to which this tip is attributed to.
Okay then.
Thanks for “forcing” yourself to listen to that folderol Facs, and filling us in.
You know, I don’t think it’s far fetched about the possibility that the meal-bringers and/or bookcart wheelers are (wink, wink) some one other than “inmates.” Besides, he’s probably so bonkers by now being isolated and cooped up, it’s hard for him to use the head on his shoulders for a change to do his thinking.
Maybe they just don’t want the press to spoil the area where they’re investigating. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want fingers pointing in my direction if I just tipped off ISP as to where they might search. Maybe the whole jail house tip is a diversion. There has been a lot of rain, so perhaps they need to let the ground dry a bit. Didn’t ISP say that there were officers left behind to guard the site? Why guard something of no use to the investigation?
She also shared an interesting rumor. Her sources tell her that some person who had known Drew from his previous life (and pointed out that meal-bringers and bookcart wheelers are inmates) approached Drew in jail and acting as a decoy told him “You have four weeks to trial. Tell us where she is so we can move her” and that’s how the tip was obtained.
Interesting. But unverified.
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LOL, priceless if it went down that way.
Hey Guys. This has really turned into a convoluted mess of sorts, huh? After hearing Brodsky blame the prosecution for trying to “dirty up Drew” I couldn’t help but think it was just as feasible that Drew and crew could also possibly be the ones stirring all of this up to try to get another delay or change of venue, as well as sending law enforcement off on a wild goose chase to use it as another example of how the media has misreported and misrepresented so much about him in the past. Especially after reading the rumor Drew was approached in jail by a decoy asking where Stacy was, and hearing Brodsky also say that Drew was in good spirits at the beginning and end of their conversation. I mean seriously…could anyone really think Drew would be stupid enough to give someone that information just because he only had four weeks to trial? I don’t buy it, and can’t see that scenario going down at all, but one thing is for sure, someone opened this cans of worms, and it will be interesting to find out who it was.
I should have said that I didn’t think Drew would give the actual location of Stacy, but might have given a false location just to see how it played out. That was the gist of my post. Sorry.
Youtube video @ comment #243 @ 1:54 minutes in… VERY INTERESTING GUESTURE MADE BY ANTHROPOLOGIST that was digging @ the scene! He’s digging, stops and makes guesture of upper body torso/rib cage area…
SYW. I just did. That is VERY interesting. We can only guess at to what he is saying, but he is certainly indicating something about the rib area.
Might give way to what others are saying about “leaving so quickly,” etc.. maybe they have found some evidence and are trying to keep hush, hush?!
“They had pretty solid leads with specific coordinates,” said Alwan, who police sources said is not considered to be involved in Peterson’s disappearance.
Burek said the search remains limited to Alwan’s property.
That statement above is very telling! Just because they haven’t found anything yet the coordinates could be just a tad off throwing them off. If Stacy is there, they are going to find her! Even one or two feet can make a big difference.
Why must we listen to Brodsky bellow about false leads from 2007 (such as the truck drivers), yet, he and his client spewed false lead after false lead of Stacy Peterson sightings. Oh, just shut up.
I just hope it all comes to fruition and Stacy is finally found this time. Her poor family has suffered enough.
Wonder what he is saying as he makes this gesture:
More than a dozen federal, state and Will County investigators met with Alwan, a local restaurateur and meat wholesaler, on Friday and asked permission to search his property. A police source familiar with the investigation said that authorities identified where they wanted to dig with the help of dogs, who led investigators to the patch of land.
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This part is significant too -
the man power and dogs involved …….
Exactly Rescue. But don’t you know he spent a lot of time on his press release, and actually said “it was pretty good, huh?” Did you catch all that in his interview at #181? Plus, he was really concerned about make-up and his bald head shining in the lights. I mean, how vain can you be??
I can’t remember, but did they put out a press release and make these accusations about this being a vast conspiracy to muck up Peterson when the remains were found last year along the Des Plaines River? This recent reaction is sure a lot of noise that they didn’t make before, yet, the finding of those remains attracted a lot of attention also.
I’m just wondering, since the anthropologist had been digging since daybreak, if his rib cage and stomach area were starting to get sore, and that was what his gesture was all about. Been there, done, that in my garden, but who knows? They said no remains were found, but that might not be factual either, as a lot of this hasn’t seem to have been.
CFS – LOL just had the same conversation. You’d think his back would hurt rather than his ribs…but who knows?
CFS – I agree with you 100%. That was my thinking. He had been there since dawn, digging, and my reaction to watching that was him showing where it hurts.
Interesting gesture. I agree that if he was feeling the effects of digging for so long that he’d be holding his back and stretching. That rib-cage gesture is odd. You’d think he’d be rubbing it if it hurt.
I don’t think he’s complaining about his pain, I think he is talking about ribcages, but he could have been talking about any one anywhere. He’s not pointing at the hole.
Plus, those aren’t just regular state police investigators w/the anthropologist @ the scene, they are “CSI” — “CRIME” Scene Investigators!
Didn’t they say Feds were in attendance, too?
I don’t remember reading that.
Also, cfs @262 – I agree that Drewfus wouldn’t be dumb enough to share with someone the details of Stacy’s whereabouts just because it’s four weeks to trial date. If anything, he’d be confident that if they hadn’t found the body yet, they never would.
I have always felt that he needed an accomplice, though. If he needed Morphy to help carry the body out of the house, then he’d need someone to help him lift it out of the vehicle. He had enough slimy “friends” that owed him, I have always thought that someone who he had a whole heap of dirt on would be the logical choice. Could be that this particular someone has now found themselves behind bars and has decided now might be the perfect time to spill the beans.
BINGO has been called!
I wonder if the tip was someone turning up the coordinates somewhere among DP’s things…phones, computers, Little Red Shallow Grave Record Wallet? Scratched into the paint of the motorbike? Sorry. so little information, such a big imagination.
altgranny@281 – The involvement, somehow, of an accomplice in all of this was along my line of thinking as well, either by that particular person sharing it with officials directly, or by sharing it with someone else who shared it with officials. Regardless, we’ll probably find out at some point, but I sure don’t believe it came from Drew just because his trial was drawing near, or for any other reason, except for the help he may have needed to dispose of Stacy’s body. As I said, I think if Drew were prodded, he would send whomever on a wild gooses chase, or deny he had any involvement at all. My thoughts and hopes are that someone in whom he trusted has finally betrayed him, and this will all unfold for Stacy’s family’s benefit, and to seal his fate.
Although……….I can see now where an accomplice could have told another individual about helping to dispose of Stacy, who then might have gotten incacerated at some point, and who then shared the information with officials to try to get their sentence lessened, who then set up some kind of sting with the inmate, all under the jailhouse roof. Hmmmm. Bucket, you’re right. Not enough information for our big imaginations.
I second or third that thought.
Drew was extremely prone to pulling in people that he could hold things over, dropping bombs on their head whenever he felt the need to put them in their place. I believe that with Drewfus in jail for a year, he’s been unable to keep pressure on any accomplice. If they felt “safe” from his ability to seek revenge, they may well decide the information can only help their own case if they needed a “get out of jail” card. And that time is now.
Having the actual coordinates is freaking me out.
Was it determined that actual coordinates were given — as in those you’d have when you use a GPS? I don’t remember that, but it’s possible that the accomplice went back to the site with a GPS and jotted it down in case he ever needed it.
LOL I don’t mean I’ve got the actual coordinates. But if it’s true that information came in that form…maybe it didn’t really..hmmm. Maybe they looked, recorded the coordinates before showing them to the property owner?
For all we know, officials could have pulled up a Google Earth satellite map and asked “whomever” to point out the location of the disposal site from an aerial view, and then marked the coordinates from that. I can’t imagine Drew, or an accomplice either for that matter, recording coordinates for any reason, but again, who really knows?
Well, unless “they” might have wanted to relocate her body at some point. Hate to even think about such a thing though.
I think he may’ve hidden the coordinates somewhere…just in case he needed to move her.
Can anyone recall long ago about the GPS in his car?phone?…something about them being sent to be analysed but that it would take a long time? Maybe I’ve got that all wrong….
If you want to refer to the very first story on all this, the TMZ story stated that the “accomplice” who helped bury Stacy, rode with LE to Peoria and brought them to the approximate area, at which point dogs were brought in and they hit on a specific area.
Of course, later reports called all this into question and beyond that report we have only a variety of other rumors as to where the information came from. We can guess ’til the cows come home…
Bucket, I can’t imagine it would take 2 1/2 years to gather data from a GPS. It is possible that he would write down the coordinates — pretty stupid, but possible.
Wasn’t it reported somewhere on Saturday that Alwan’s property was alongside of or surrounded by a shooting range? It’s quite possible that Drewfus went there at some point during his career as someone’s guest. It struck him as being remote and he remembered it as a good spot if he ever needed to hide a body.
Or…
Alwan has said that his property is limited to his family or friends and he’s never had Drew on the property. I can’t help but wonder if Drewfus wasn’t invited there as a friend of a friend at some point for a hunting expedition.
It just fits too well that the letter from Peoria came about two weeks after Stacy went missing and the location of the post mark is only 14 miles from this location. Something about that tells me the chance of this location being a wild goose chase or a coincidence is pretty remote.
cows? I have high-powered binoculars in the closet and I think I see cows on the horizon…..they’re headed home.
Drew’s gonna rot in jail, no matter which way the puzzle pieces fall.
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