Stacy Peterson’s father, neighbor testify before grand jury

Stacy Peterson’s father testified Thursday before the grand jury investigating his daughter’s disappearance, saying investigators asked him general questions about his daughter’s marriage to former Bolingbrook police sergeant Drew Peterson.

Anthony Cales, 53, of Downers Grove, said the grand jury also asked about his daughter’s interactions with her family.

“They asked general questions about ‘Did Stacy ever go anywhere without the kids?’ She never left the kids, they were always with her,” Cales said. “They asked did I know about any marital problems or upcoming divorce, which I didn’t.”

Peterson’s neighbor James A. Mitchem Jr. and his teenage son also testified, but declined to comment.

Cales said he spoke with his daughter every day up until her disappearance. Other friends of family of the missing mom have said Stacy Peterson was the glue that held her family together, organizing family get-togethers and keeping in touch with everyone.

“She called me every day,” Cales said. “If she didn’t get me on the phone she always left a voice message.”

The last message Stacy Peterson left her father is on file with Illinois State Police. In the Oct. 17 message, a cheerful-sounding Peterson gave her father her new cell phone number and told him she loved him.

Stacy Peterson, the fourth wife of Drew Peterson, 54, disappeared Oct. 28 at age 23. Police have labeled the disappearance a “potential homicide” and named Drew Peterson a suspect in the case. Investigators also re-opened the investigation into the March 2004 drowning of Peterson’s third wife Kathleen Savio. An independent pathologist for Will County ruled her death a homicide in February.

A special grand jury investigating both cases has been meeting each Thursday since November and is scheduled to continue through April. In a Jan. 24 statement from the Will County State’s Attorney’s office, authorities said the grand jury could be extended another six months, if necessary.

Peterson has denied any involvement in either case and has not been charged with a crime.

Cales said he and Peterson used to get along but the two have not spoken since Stacy Peterson went missing.

“We actually got along really well,” Cales said. “We tried to do a lot of things together, family things.”

But Peterson’s recent behavior, including offering a $25,000 reward for Stacy Peterson’s “safe return,” have incensed Cales.

“I see him on TV and some of the things he says just burns me,” Cales said.

Monday marked the six-month anniversary of Stacy Peterson’s disappearance. While police, friends and family have spent that time chasing tips and searching for her, Cales said he has taken six months off work to look for his daughter.

“(We take it) day by day,” Cales said. “Some days are better than others.”

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457 thoughts on “Stacy Peterson’s father, neighbor testify before grand jury

  1. so the father didnt have a problem with dp and didnt know there was talk of divorce or problems between stacy and dp. funny

  2. I do not get it, why did her dad know nothing of any problems, if they were that close you would think something would have alerted him.There were so many people in her life but yet no one knew anything. Its really terrible that the entire family has been ripped apart by all of this.

  3. Well, I can’t answer to why she did or did not say anything about marital problems to her dad, but that’s not unusual, in my opinion. In my years of marriage, there were some rough spots, but I didn’t bring them to my mother.

    She had lots going on with a very ill sister, who later died. I would think that that was emotionally draining enough for her, without having to discuss possible marriage problems.

    I do, believe, though, that I’ve seen mention of others saying there were problems, at least from their observations of how controlling he was. I think her aunt in CA also mentioned something to that effect, that they were having problems.

    Just a thought.

  4. Rescueapet—

    I would have to agree with your assessment. It is not unusual to feel shame and guilt about how things are going in our lives and then try to compartmentalize them (hide problems from outside eyes).

    Marriage is intensely personal and private for people, and when it goes bad, many people have a hard time asking for help from anyone.

    I am glad, though, that Stacy did reach out. I’m just sorry that it has turned out this way.

  5. Neil – I am sorry that it turned out this way too. She didn’t have much “worldly” experience, still being such a young age. Yet, she seemed quite adept at taking care of and interacting so well with four young children.

    I think the sadest thing of all is the fact that they have lost a mom’s touch, a mom’s love.

  6. Amanda,

    I did not go to the cops in August but I did go as soon as Stacy disappeared in October. The only reason I did not go in August was because Stacy was deeply afraid for her safety. I simply honored her request. She was more afraid to report it than to simply try to live with the man.

  7. I have a question. Why on earth does the search team have to go out of town to learn how to search ? After 6 months ? Does that mean that they have bungled everything up to this date ? Why out of state and who is teaching them? Better yet who is going and who is paying for it ?

  8. i have looked for search info.there is nothing. cant even find out about this training. if i was a person wanting to go get trained how would i find out. any suggestions. i am not local but i know local ppl who have searched but cant find them on line either

  9. Neil, thank you for answering.

    In your shoes, I do not know what I’d have done, but hindsight is 20/20.

    I wish you’d gone. Maybe we all wouldn’t be discussing it now, or who knows? Maybe he’d have killed her for it then. Maybe you too. Who knows.

    One thing for sure, there wouldn’t be this stupid circus surrounding her, and a neighbor basking and smiling over her newfound Princess Diana crap.

  10. No clue why they need to whitewitch07. Maybe someone from FSP will tell you, but I doubt it. As far as I’m concerned, that’s their business since they are the ones searching for Stacy as a body and not alive in a resort somewhere. Good luck with getting answers to your questions.

  11. Neil why are you blogging about this case on the web if you are a potential witness? a very important witness I might add.

    regardless if she feared for her life so much how could you not go to the authorities.
    I agree she would have rather lived with the man then let the police know she gave a false alibi which made her an accessory to murder after the fact.
    sad truely sad

  12. “…how could you not go to the authorities.”

    The man just answered this question (see above). Please don’t badger him.

  13. freedom08 – Unfortunately, I think there are more than a couple of instances where secrets stay with people.

    In fact, a man named Alton Logan was just freed from spending 26 years in prison. He was innocent. There were lawyers who knew he was innocent, because they came to know that one of their clients was the one guilty of killing a man. Yet, the attorney-client privilege took hold and they had to follow the rule of ethics, not what they felt was right in their heart.

    I’m sure many people were outraged. Yet, the men with the secret protected the rights of their one-time client.

    Right? That’s a moral thought, more than anything.

  14. Carrying a person’s confession, or thought, not necessarily a person of religion, is a mighty heavy burden, I’d say. I couldn’t possibly begin to say what I would do.

    Imagine having an adult son or daughter come to you, as their parent, and divulge a deep, dark secret, one that you know was morally wrong, possibly illegal. Maybe your adult son or daughter brought harm to someone. Would you have the fortitude to stand up and say, “well, I am going to have to turn you into the authorities, because I am fearful you may do harm to even another human being.”

    I don’t think that is so easy to do, is it? I think you would anguish over what you know, try to reason a way to justify it, but doing the “right” thing isn’t always so easy.

    At least, until I can walk in those shoes, I won’t begin to say what is right or what is wrong.

  15. tooo many spouses are killed because those they confide in don’t take action.
    Kathleen is dead because no one took her cries seriously.
    stacy is more than likely dead and in the least when she came to the pastor with this information IMO some action should have been taken to try and get her to a safe place away from a murderer.
    I understand confidentialy but not at the expense of ones life.
    I also understand hindsight is 20/20 I don’t understand women being left in a dangerous situation when they are crying out for help.

  16. freedom08, on May 2nd, 2008 at 9:51 am Said:
    Neil why are you blogging about this case on the web if you are a potential witness? a very important witness I might add.

    regardless if she feared for her life so much how could you not go to the authorities.
    I agree she would have rather lived with the man then let the police know she gave a false alibi which made her an accessory to murder after the fact.
    sad truely sad

    Freedom, I don’t doubt for one second that Neil did exactly what he thought was best for Stacy at that particular time. Thank God she at least had him to turn to, or Stacy’s revelation about Kathleen might not have ever even been known to anyone. Stacy could have gone to the authorities herself, but it seems in her eyes, staying with Drew was the lesser of two evils so to speak, as far as her choices were concerned. It has been speculated that Drew tried to kill her with a gun even before she went to Neil, so she knew how much danger she was in and still chose to stay….for reasons that you and I might not ever know, or understand even if we did know.

    Neil, please be careful on these boards, There’s so much animosity about this case, and everyone involved in it is being verbally attacked by one side or the other. You never know what might be used against you if this ever does go to trial. I pray it will soon hat justice is served. You’ve a lot weight on your shoulders with all of this and I’m praying for you. God Bless and take care.

  17. freedom08, on May 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 am Said:

    I also understand hindsight is 20/20 I don’t understand women being left in a dangerous situation when they are crying out for help

    Freedom, Stacy CHOSE to stay with Drew, she was LEFT.

  18. I think it is quite regretful that some women are in horrible personal relationships, where their self-esteem is in the gutter, but who continue to live their lives out with the abuser.

    “tooo many spouses are killed because those they confide in don’t take action.”

    If your adult child comes to you and says, “mom,, Joe beat me, and he’s very abusive to me.” Of course, you would tell Mary to get the heck out of there. BUT, if she doesn’t, are you going to drag her out yourself, go to the cops and report him? As much as you’d like to, or wish harm on him, that’s not an option.

    Yes, too many “spouses” meet with harm. But, unless they make the move to do something about it, all the tea in China isn’t going to get them out of that house unless they make the move themselves.

    And if they say to you, “sorry, mom, Mary has to file a complaint.” Then what are you going to do?

  19. don’t yell at me cfs, I’m entitled to express my views just like you are. don’t know why youy think it’s your place to try and shut others views down just because you don’t like them.

    stacy chose to stay with drew and she also chose to give him an alibi for kathleens death. does that make it right?? no!
    would you leave your sister with a murder once you found out and she was expressing fear for her life? would you just walk away and say well that’s what she wants??
    reaching out to someone does no good if no action is taken.

  20. Well, in Stacy’s situation, if you were her sister, you’re saying you’d go to the cops with the knowledge that she is an accessory to a murder.

    So, assuming that is your response, you would do the same if any member of your family came to you with horrible information like that?

    Then, I’d say, you’re a better “man” than I am (just a figure of speech), because I sure would have to say that I would anguish, to say the least, over that situation.

  21. you give them options you show them there is a different way to deal with the situation then just grinning and bearing it.
    Yes if my daughter was being beat up by her husband I would drag her out of that house and call the police.
    The laws have changed and in most states the abused is not the one that has to press charges. LE presses charges on anyone that physically abueses their partner.
    The reason for this is due to how many women keep droping the charges after they are beat to a pulp.

    I’m not blaming or lashing out to Neil, I’m trying to understand the logic that makes no sense to me when were are talking about abused woman and saving their lives.

  22. rescue if I was stacy sister and obtained that knowledge yes I would find LE outside of BB and take her to them and work out a deal for her to turn states evidence and get her safe.
    would I anguish you bet, but I would know that was the right thing to do considering her husband has already murdered wife #3.

    I agree rescue god help anyone in that situation.

  23. But if your daughter, son, or sister, or brother, confided in you that they were aware of someone close to them committing a crime of murder, could you so easily run with that information to the authorities? Would you disregard the fact that they told you not to say anything for the moment, and go ahead and tell the cops anyway?

    That’s all I’m asking. Could you do it? My answer is, thank God I am not in that situation, and I hope to God I never am.

  24. rescue YES murder is not acceptable in my value system or covering up for murder.
    I will not cover for a murderer even if my family member wants me to be quite about it.
    my morals override my sense of keeping quiet in the case of murder.
    common sense tells me if my sisters husband killed his exwife my sister will be next!!

  25. freedom – didn’t want to leave yet without acknowledging your last post.

    Yes, you are absolutely right! Murder is not acceptable, and reporting one is ethically, morally and legally responsible. I’m just expressing a viewpoint as to how and why the players in this situation may have reasoned why they didn’t do it, that’s all.

  26. bolingbrook,

    I am the pastor, and I still have great concern over this case. I try to stay up-to-date on the case because I want to see resolution.

    I will, however, give no details related to what I have or have not shared with the police.

    The interview on FoxNews is the one and only TV interview that I have done. Greta Van Susteren was very fair and honorable with me.

  27. I probably ran him off when I asked why he was posting on a public board. which I don’t think any potential witness should do. or he followed the link someone posted. Or he’s a fake, which I’m kinda doubting.

    bye rescue talk to you soon.

  28. Freedom,

    My posting on a public board only impacts the case if I share details related to the case. AND, I’m not doing that.

  29. Pator Neil did you give stacy any info on help for abused women, shelters, information, how to stay safe, when the most dangerous time is for an abused woman?

  30. Ok Neil that’s your call. I don’t think you will share details I just know how the www is and how words get twisted and rumors started.
    regardless I appreciate you communicating with us.

  31. I appreciate your posting here Neil, but do be careful.

    BTW, I listened to an MP3 of the sermon you gave about the time of your testimony and I found it very comforting. It was about husbands and wives.

  32. rescue thanks, yes I understand that each person has their own reasoning,
    I just don’t think there is any valid reason to cover for murder. It never turns out with a happy ending when one choses that route. IMO

  33. freedom, neil – I’m still reading, and usually do, and I do look forward to having lively discussions. They have usually been very intelligent, with varying viewpoints.

    But, and this is only my opinion, once a certain blogger comes on, it’s downhill from there on.

    For that, I am sorry.

  34. i just sent pastor shori and email, if he responds i will applogize for doubting him. thats all i can do.

  35. you actually spoke to him? i called and left my name and number, i guess being a member of the press has its advantages. as soon as he responds to my email or phone call. i will applogize

  36. Thanks gate for verifying that for us.

    rescue participate, there are a few that I feel the same about but I won’t let that get in the way of me expressing my views. I grin and bear it.
    Also sometimes once we get through the ruff spots of different personalities things settle down and sometimes we find that the person we did not care for isn’t all that bad. when we put up fences we can’t get to that point.
    but do as you must I enjoy your point of view as I do bb’s and others, and hate for you to hold back.

  37. I don’t think doubting who is who on the internet is anything wrong. I can’t count the times fako’s have used someone elses name only to play games with others.
    gate handled it perfect as usual!!

  38. freedom – thank you. You rock.

    For the record – I can ignore the disagreements and opposing viewpoints. After all, it is a blog with differing ideas.

    It’s just very hard, having been here in the past for all of it, to ignore being accused of being a double poster, or watching the personal name calling.

  39. awe thanks rescue that’s very kind.

    well I know each person is different but I really don’t let name calling or false accusations about me phase me. I’ve been accused of being drew, brodsky, wife #5 and called a few choice names and have called a few choice names myself. I just chalk it up to the internet and move on because I know who I am and what I am not. I also try to learn from others even when they are calling me names or vice versa.

  40. How funny some of you are cautioning the good reverend. What? You don’t think he’s already heard it all, and doubted himself in the process?
    I bet you a dollar he already is using caution.

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  42. I don’t understand why Neil would tell Brodsky when he went to the police. Why would he give that confidential information to them? I have a gut feeling the police are asking Neil to say certain things.

  43. I think that was already public information. He wouldn’t say anything that wasn’t already out there, and he is very aware of what is out there.

  44. He gave an interview to Greta Van Susteren. In that interview, I believe that is when he said he went to the police in October, once it was reported that Stacy Peterson was missing. He didn’t do it in August, when she told him about DPeterson killing KSavio, because she asked him not to.

  45. Rescueapet, I have trouble posting links on here but here is the pastors interview and he never says when he went to the police. You can copy and paste this link just add an h in front.

    ttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316418,00.html

  46. truth – Yes, you are correct about the Greta transcript, and he didn’t mention that in there.

    So, in that regard, unless there’s a newspaper clip, I guess he’ll have to answer that here himself.

  47. I found a reference to it on a Greta blog:

    Comment by Elli
    December 11th, 2007 at 8:51 pm

    The Pastor said he went to the police as soon as he learned about Stacy being reported missing.

  48. Danya-
    I forwarded you information yesterday and just wanted to make sure you received it, as I have not gotten a response and the person I tried to put you in contact with as not gotten a response.

    Since it seems FSP has tried via a petition to shut down a Herald News report, the ball is now in your court, it would seem.

  49. I would imagine that Neil would have felt if Stacy had four years of life with Drew and nothing happened thus far, that by honoring her wishes to keep the secret a bit longer would have been doing as she wished. How we all wish we had hindsight before making complicated and moral decisions.

  50. No, it has not been disclosed publicly when Pastor Schori went to the police.

    It has been rumored, not confirmed. Posters on many sites wondered if he went straight to the cops (which it seems he should have done) or is he went after she was missing.

    In his own words he confirmed it here when I asked him.

    He is not responsible for what happened to Stacy (whatever that may be) but so many many people were forewarned by Stacy herself.

    All of them told it to the press AFTER she was gone.

    Too damn bad somebody didn’t try to help her. They all had a chance. All of them.

    Unless she truly is missing of her own will.
    I doubt that scenario, especially after seeing the pic of her in the crib with Lacy.

  51. I continue to be amazed at how many potential witnesses think it’s okay to be blogging on the Internet.

    My dad was a lawyer … and the only thing he would let a client say is “No comment.”

    I think it really would serve Kathleen and Stacy well if those involved in this case would heed that advice.

    IMO

  52. And let me say that his clients were not involved in murders. In that respect, there was less on the line.

  53. AmandaRW, what do you mean “Unless she truly is missing of her own will. I doubt that scenario, especially after seeing the pic of her in the crib with Lacy.”

    In the crib?

  54. And another Q for kimmer about her statement: Since it seems FSP has tried via a petition to shut down a Herald News report, the ball is now in your court, it would seem.

    Trying to shut down a Herald News report? Tried to go to FSP but the forum is closed. Problem with updates.

  55. I’ve been thinking about Neil’s statement that Stacy was too afraid to go to the police but instead decided it was better to stay with Drew.

    That was in August.

    In October, she had contacted a divorce attorney.

    Something changed in those few months.

    Yes, she could have contacted an abuse organization and said “I’m afraid for my life; my husband admitted to me that he killed his first wife (and they would have told her to GET OUT NOW … in my opinion).

    Yes, she could have been killed by her husband (he may have found out she contacted the abuse organization but didn’t know she had also told Neil Schori about Kathleen).

  56. Noway – I think it may actually be a play pen, but there is a blog entry on this site with a link to the slide show containing the photo. It’s very sweet.

    Is that the one you mean, Amanda?

  57. noway, if you are a member at our board, go to the picture thread, on second thought, I don’t want to put it here.

    What I mean is, she is/was a very loving mother, you cannot fake eyes and in her pics with her kids, you can see love, nurturing, caring, special-bond love. I am not saying saint in any sense of the word, she was responsible for some bad stuff/mistakes/terrible choices. She doesn’t get a sainthood pass for being *murdered * (if) but she was HUMAN. Mistakes and sweet things, we all have that.

    I agree with you about the blogging and witnesses but also glad they do. It gives us more info to chew on.
    We need a tidbit now and again.

    I’m glad Neil had the courage to answer the question. I admire that.

  58. Yes, facs, thats the one I meant. It shows Stacy as a Mom. It isn’t posed, it’s very natural.

  59. There is a lot of “stuff” people don’t want to be put out in the news.

    I want to know why. Why? What is it?

    Oh and I can only hope FSP is taking months and months of advice and cleaning up the litter box they have become.

    Put a link to the stuff, take it off site.

  60. Noway, I think something must have changed prior to August. To me, going to the pastor was part of Stacy’s change from dependency to trying to free herself from Drew. Even if she told the Pastor that she intended to stay in her marriage, something motivated her to meet with him and tell him about the murder after so long.

    It’s hard to say if there was one thing that made the change happen or if, as she said in her email to Cesare (sp?) that she was becoming more aware as she matured.

    Anyone remember the year/month when Tina died? We know that event had a huge impact on her. Maybe it was part of what brought about the change?

  61. And just to be fair, we know she was flirting in a pretty explicit manner during that time as well. Which, again could be part of wanting to end the marriage.

    I know when *my* marriage was ending…well, that’s a story for another blog!

  62. Amanda, I’m confused. If there is new information revealed about the case reporters are going to report it and media outlets are going to broadcast it.

    Why would anyone even think that they could supress a news report?

  63. I don’t know, thats why I’m so curious to know whats going on.

    Oh, and I think what preciptated or brought this all to a head is the gunshot through the floor….

    Maybe?

    Tina died 9/17/06, a year or so before all this stuff.

  64. I don’t think it’s supressing a news report. It may just be a matter of trying to get a particular reporter off a case. There were some rumblings of starting a petition to get a reporter off of the case becuase he was given the same information as Danya was the other day by me. There is alot of weight being thrown around right now.

    As for FSP being down, does it have anything to do with everyone being out of town for search training…nobody to watch/moderate?

  65. Physical exertion is required for the training, so the turd would still be there to moderate.

  66. I assume you aren’t talking about the book that Joe Hosey is writing? I know some people don’t like the idea of him profitting from the situation.

    Personally I’m perfeclty fine with a journalist following a story and writing a book about it, although in this case I think it’s premature, since no one has even been charged of a crime.

  67. I think it would take more than a petition to keep a paper from reporting the news.

    I have no idea what’s at issue here though so I’ll sit back and be quiet until more is revealed.

  68. Now does anyone have any idea why this isn’t a news story? Pastor Neil Schori is blogging on WordPress and tells Amanda he did not go to the police until Stacy went missing. He had never said that before in any statement. He says the only interview he ever gave was the Greta one. You can read it and see for yourself.

    Interview Greta

    http://tinyurl.com/5toy7e

    amandareckonwith, on May 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 am Said:
    Neil, did you go to the cops in August?

    Neil, on May 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 am Said:
    Amanda,

    I did not go to the cops in August but I did go as soon as Stacy disappeared in October. The only reason I did not go in August was because Stacy was deeply afraid for her safety. I simply honored her request. She was more afraid to report it than to simply try to live with the man.

    Neil, on May 2nd, 2008 at 10:56 am Said:
    bolingbrook,

    I am the pastor, and I still have great concern over this case. I try to stay up-to-date on the case because I want to see resolution.

    I will, however, give no details related to what I have or have not shared with the police.

    The interview on FoxNews is the one and only TV interview that I have done. Greta Van Susteren was very fair and honorable with me.

    gatehousechicago, on May 2nd, 2008 at 11:15 am Said:
    Pastor Schori’s identity has been verified.

    truthisthere, on May 2nd, 2008 at 8:30 pm Said:
    I don’t understand why Neil would tell Brodsky when he went to the police. Why would he give that confidential information to them? I have a gut feeling the police are asking Neil to say certain things.

    WordPress http://preview.tinyurl.com/6l38y9

  69. truth – I’m sorry, but I don’t follow what you’re trying to convey. That he’s blogged a couple of times here? I

    Pastor Schori openly admitted he didn’t go to the police in August, when he learned of KS’s fate by way of SPeterson.

    What’s the news story?

  70. That’s the story? Michael Sneed first reported the conversation between Stacy and Pastor Schori in November, so I always assumed that he had just gone to police then. So, he actually went to them in October?

    I don’t really see that as revealing too much except that he went to them earlier than I originally thought.

  71. As far as Brodsky and Drew knew he could have gone to the police earlier and LE was gathering information before Stacy ever went missing. There could have been a GJ meeting on the Kathleen Savio case before Stacy ever went missing. But I guess he took that worry off thier plate now.

  72. This is from a November Sun-Times article:

    “Schori revealed that in an eerie coincidence he had briefly served on a recent Will County grand jury convened to reexamine Savio’s death.”

  73. I’m sorry, but I’ll have to back off this one. I don’t find it newsworthy, nor do I see the point you’re trying to make.

    Sorry.

  74. I’m in the same boat, Rescue. Either I’m just missing the importance of this or else I’m failing to see why the media would be interested in things that “could have” happened or theories about the police instructing people on what to say based on nothing other than one person’s imagination.

    I apologise if I’m just being really dense about it, but I’m just not getting how this is news.

  75. facsmiley, on May 3rd, 2008 at 10:10 am Said:
    I think it would take more than a petition to keep a paper from reporting the news.

    I have no idea what’s at issue here though so I’ll sit back and be quiet until more is revealed.
    ——————————
    I don’t think it’s the paper, itself. It’s against a particular reporter…to get Hosey re-assigned. Again, I don’t have full evidence, just rumor of the petition.

  76. Hmmmmmmmmm I guess it just bothers me when a GJ witness in a murder case comes on a blog and tells information that has never been spoken in the press.

    Why would he do it?

  77. Anything a GJ witness in this case who tells about their testimony to the GJ is just giving help to Drew and Brodsky.

  78. I would feel alot better if he was doing it because the police asked him to. Maybe that is just wishful thinking or my imagination.

  79. Okay, I’ll bite. How does it help Brodsky/Peterson by Pastor Schori divulging he went to the cops in October?

    Do you mean to say, he is giving fuel to them for NOT going to the police sooner?

    I’m just not getting this.

  80. “Last month, the Westbrook Christian Church’s pastor of spiritual formation told The Associated Press that Stacy Peterson requested an August meeting with a member of their pastoral staff when the church made a routine call to see why she and Drew Peterson had not attended services in recent months.

    The church official made a “judgment call” not to alert authorities and did not consult with other church staff, Rob Daniels said.”

    So it appears that as of at least December when Rob Daniels said this, it waspublic knowledge the Pastor Schori didn’t go to police in August.

  81. Wait, the article says “last month” Rob Daniels made the statement, so that would have put the info out there in November.

  82. Rescue, I think you are doing this on purpose but I will try one more time. There is a defense in this case. It is drew and brodsky and they are having to research and plan every step of their defense. They did not know when Schori went to the police. They had to spend time and money on the possibility that he had gone earlier. They really need to know everything and plan on everything. That is what a defense team does.

    Now Neil tells them don’t waste time or money on that.

    As far as Brodsky and Drew knew he could have gone to the police earlier and LE was gathering information before Stacy ever went missing. There could have been a GJ meeting on the Kathleen Savio case before Stacy ever went missing. But I guess he took that worry off thier plate now.

  83. If Drew and Brodsky were reading the papers in November though, they would have seen the church official’s statements saying that Schori did not alert authorities at the time of the meeting in August.

  84. whitewitch07, actually you had about 10 questions, but why do you feel the search team or anyone associated with Stacy has to answer to you about this?

  85. Remember, when the story first came out it wasn’t through Neil Schori but via other sources. He was an ‘unmnamed clergy member” for a while. So, although we only got the one interview with him via Greta’s show, there were other church representatives telling us about what transpired and explaining his actions.

    It’s true that no one ever said, “He first went to the cops until November” but they did say that at the time of the meeting “he made a judgement call not to alert authorities” I think most people (and I include Brodsky with them) assumed that when Schori first came forward publically that he had also just gone to police.

    So, we come to yesterday when Amanda asked the Pastor if he went to the cops in August and he confirmed what was already public, that he did not. He then added that he went in November. So now we know the month.

    We’re all free to speculate on what that may or may not mean to Drew’s legal team.

  86. Thanks for all your responses to my earlier explosion of questions!

    As far as the pastor’s testimony being made public … he said he didn’t feel comfortable telling everything he told ISP or the GJ.

    But IMO, he didn’t realize what he had and had not said to the pubilc. I didn’t think he’d gone in August but I don’t have any official source for that knowledge.

    ISP … if you are reading these blogs: Get your witnesses to stop posting!

    IMO, anyone who has been called in front of the GJ should not be posting on any blog or forum under ANY name. Unless it’s “No comment.”

  87. Sorry – I keep writing November, when Schori actually said “October” here. all the press that followed was in November.

  88. Feistygurl … what reminds you of Mims and his timeline?

    Sorry, I yabbered so much, I just don’t know what you’re agreeing to.

    The part about not knowing what you’ve already made public and what you didn’t?

  89. The post above really should have been: The part about not knowing what HE’s already made public and what HE didn’t? …

    I didn’t want anyone to think Feistygurl was the pastor.
    ;-D

  90. Oh … yes. And I guess it’s not the Illinois State Police who should be telling the witnesses this … it’s the District Attorney’s office.

    Although maybe it wouldn’t hurt for them to hear it from more than one source.

    I do think Neil Schori just made a big boo-boo.

  91. It was already public knowledge that I did not go to the police in August. Some of you sound like monday morning quarterbacks.

    Do something to help…speculation and accusation does nothing but take the focus off of the real issue.

    Stacy is still missing and 4 kids need their mother…period.

  92. It made me think of Mims as well.

    For ourselves, I guess all we can do is be responsible.

    If we do have the opportunity to converse with someone close to the case in a public forum, we can resist the urge to ask questions that could jeopardize the case. Of course we are all curious but we have to use our heads too.

    We share the blame in these disclosures if we’re the ones asking them the questions.

  93. Why can a grand jury witness talk about his or her testimony?
    In the federal courts, the witness is not sworn to secrecy, and may disclose whatever he or she wishes to whomever he or she wishes. The witness exemption was adopted in part because it was thought that requiring witness secrecy was unrealistic and unenforceable, and in part to allow the witness to rebut rumors concerning his or her testimony. There is a basic revulsion in the United States about secret testimony.
    __________________________________________

    thats from the american bar association web site
    http://www.abanet.org/media/faqjury.html

  94. Why can a grand jury witness talk about his or her testimony?
    In the federal courts, the witness is not sworn to secrecy, and may disclose whatever he or she wishes to whomever he or she wishes. The witness exemption was adopted in part because it was thought that requiring witness secrecy was unrealistic and unenforceable, and in part to allow the witness to rebut rumors concerning his or her testimony. There is a basic revulsion in the United States about secret testimony.

  95. I saw that a couple of people had suggested this to Ric Mims (that he not talk at all about the case). I think he basically just ignored them.

    In spite of not thinking they should blog, I would like to know EXACTLY what changed Ric’s mind about Drew. Maybe there was no “one” defining moment … just a bunch of little things.

  96. Neil, I am not monday morning quarterbacking, I think it is very strange and questionable that you are coming on a blog and telling your testiomony to a GJ in a murder investigation. As far as I can tell in research you had never said when you went to the police until yesterday.

    If I am wrong please correct me.

  97. May people in this case blog.

    I really haven’t seen anything from any of them that divulges anything that would hamper LE from charging DPeterson with a crime, or crimes.

    If posting on a blog is detrimental to nailing DPeterson, I’d say his going all over the news shows with his garbage has got to have some impact here. I guess I’m just trying to say it goes both ways.

    The future jury that has the fate of DPeterson in their hands has to be an impartial one, one that isn’t influenced by any of this. In other words, they’re, most likely, not going to be bloggers or forum members.

    So, IMHO, DPeterson’s fate rests with the jury that will analyze the evidence presented to them. If they choose to throw it out the window because a Pastor said on a blog that he went to the cops with information he had days after a woman went missing, then so be it. I guess they’ll have to live with that.

  98. Rescueapet … don’t even get me started on Drew Peterson and his “interview of the day” defense by Joel Brodsky. Ugh.

  99. Oh, and by the way, the first thing a defense attorney does is tel his client to shut up, keep quiet.

    Instead, not only has DPeterson not done that, his attorney has encouraged his actions.

    So, honestly, I am really not concerned what Brodsky knows or doesn’t know about Pastor Schori’s timelime as far as his information. DPeterson and Brodsky have been hammered by a number of high profile attorneys about his client’s games by going on tv shows, and his so-called defense.

    If anyone needs to tell someone to back off, I think the time would be better spent on reminding DPeterson to hush up.

  100. You’re right about that Neil. We’re a bunch of armchair detectives and we’re used to discussing the case away from family members, friends and others who are close to it.

    IBecause of that, we may seem callous, rude and nosy (and some people here are!) but still, it all comes down to the fact that we are caught up in Stacy’s story because it’s real and something about it touched each of us.

    A lot of the people here have walked, searched and donated. We have an emotional investment in the case and want to see justice served.

    Personally, I don’t understand the hoopla about what you said here yesterday. I don’t think it aided the Drew/Brodsky camp in any way.

  101. Yeah, and I hope JBrodsky never stops representing DPeterson because he’s doing a heck of a job. NOT.

    The more he defends him, the worse it gets for Drew. Hiring a PR agency to re-do his image. How the heck does one have to have an image re-done if one is a good person to begin with? Stay on, JBrodsky. Stay on.

  102. “I don’t think it aided the Drew/Brodsky camp in any way.”

    Drew/Joel will use everything said by key witnesses. They will twist what is said to serve their purpose.

    I guess it’s my dad’s influence that witnesses should keep quite until the trial. He has been dead for some time now, so he never had to address a client or witness blogging, but I imagine his advice would have been the same.

  103. truthisthere,

    You are correct that I had never shared when I went to the police. However, it was already common knowledge, as reported to the AP by another pastor at the church that I used to work for, that I did not go to the police in August.

    Secondly, grand jury testimony can be shared at anytime after you are questioned. I, however, have chosen to be silent.

  104. Pastor Schori,

    I’m sure that when you answered the question yesterday, you didn’t think at the time that someone was going to take what you said, create some inference from it and then try to shop it to the press.

    That’s the only wrongdoing I’ve yet to see in this.

  105. The biggest issue for me, right now, is the teens. SPeterson either left the house on or own, or she didn’t leave the house on her own.

    So, there were four other people in that house besides her and DPeterson. Two of them are little people.

    I can’t understand why DPeterson would then not allow his sons to go before a GJ and say: “I saw my mom leave, she said to watch Lacy and Anthony, because she was going out.”

    Or, “I never saw my mom leave. She must have sneaked out without telling us where she was going, but my dad said she left with another man.”

    Which is it? They have the key to a lot of this!!!!!!!!!!!!

  106. noway,

    Volunteer to help with searches if you have not done so already, and pray for justice.

    We are all emotionally tied to this case, so it is easy to get worked up about differing opinions, but my challenge to everyone is to stay focused and not be so quick to forget what is really going on here.

  107. Facs, you made a good point about us armchair detectives and our anonymous discussion away from family and friends.

    We just get these thoughts in our head and post without really thinking about who is reading them.

    I visit other threads trying to find out if there is ANYONE who thinks Drew is innocent and why. Yes, the constitution is a fine reason. I wanted opinion.

    I wanted to discuss the other possibilities to see if I was indeed only looking at one side.

  108. I’m not near enough to search, but I certainly can pray for justice.

    Stacy is missing. Her children are missing her.

    Don’t believe for one second that her older boys are “bored” with the topic and would rather watch something else on TV. It sickens me that Drew would even say such a thing.

    (Yes, I used another word earlier, but there is a pastor in the room.)

  109. noway,

    Haha…thanks…I’ve never heard those words before 😉

    I hope all of you keep the passion that you have for this case. Pray for justice and join the search if you’re close. My time on this site is up.

    Peace,

    Neil

  110. Noway- the only defense I’ve seen on behalf of DPeterson is the attempted destruction of his missing wife’s reputation. Unfortunately, anyone that defends her honor or has information that debunks his tales of being such a wonderful guy, get dragged right into the mud with her.

    He and his attorney have made every conceivable attempt to muddy up her name in the public, even though she has not had a hand in muddying up his name in public. She’s not here to do that, it’s been at the hand of others. Yet, in spite of being the mother of four young children, two of whom can hear all of this disgusting baloney on the news, they continue to hammer that point away.

    That’s their defense. Make her look like a racy, text receiving, man chasing woman, who was spoiled and “depressed.”

    Doesn’t it seem mighty strange to you guys that the mention of her having knowledge of a crime has never left the lips of either JBrodsky or DPeterson. Time and time again, I’ve seen other bloggers say she was no saint because she covered up for him. Can you imagine Brodsky trying that one for a defense? Ah, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. My client should go free because his missing wife is a liar who said he took the life of another, and even though she’s not here to defend herself, find my client not-guilty because he’s good and she’s a man-loving, text receiving, spoiled brat.

    Yeah, right.

  111. hello, newbie, just registered. i guess i was too late to ask neil questions? why do you think he said his time is up here? also, next to my name date and time, it says “Your comment is awaiting moderation”. does that mean each comment has to wait? going to take along time i guess.

  112. not sure on the time is up thing. seen a post removed too, then see your post is waiting moderation. i have no clue. maybe someone told the pastor to quit blogging or maybe time on comp was up , or leaving the office not sure

  113. rescueapet i think they are gonna say all kinds of things & try to pin things on different people. i think dp did it but the trial aint gonna be so black & white as most ppl think. gonna be some gray in the mix thats for sure

  114. Neil you do realize that there is much more fundraising and planning events than there is actual searching, right?

    FoSP has turned search teams away as well. They said in interviews that fuel for planes and boats costs up to $500/day and no aerial searches are being done.

    Look outside. What do you see? I see leaves. On the trees. From above, that is all a plane can see now. Not the ground.

    I am not giving one more dime nor I more day. I am emotionally invested still, and pray for justice.

    Whatever that may be. Above all, I’d like to know the truth and all the truth.

  115. I think Pastor Neil (I felt funny calling him Neil … don’t ask me why … my upbringing probably) was just saying that he had to leave.

    Just telling us “good-bye” without just dropping out of the conversation.

    Wouldn’t have the slightest idea whether you can call him. Or why you would want to post here that you want to!

    As far as your comments … I think LD said that all her comments go into “hold” and have to be released. It has something to do with AOL as her service provider or that her comments (maybe) include a link to her forum. My posts seem to come right away, but after I refresh the screen, I’ll see no posts and then suddenly 5 or 6 … maybe just timing on my part, who knows.

  116. onlythefacts, maybe your IP has been tagged for some reason. Or maybe they are just being more cautious with new members here now.

    If you click on Neil’s name you’ll get the web site of his church. You should be able to contact him through there.

  117. Well, people do try to look at other angles, things that would help DP. I’ve seen words to the effect that maybe she went “underground.”

    DP can’t change his theories. He said she left, she called him, took money and a bikini, and that’s it. She’s gone.

    No matter what else you throw in the mix, saying she left voluntarily, she’s hiding out, he cannot deviate from what he said, and that’s his defense. He’s got to go with that now. He’s got to convince everyone what he says is true, and he’s got to have something to back up what he’s saying, by way of divulging his whereabouts during the relevant times (to prove his innocence), phone call from Stacy, etc.

    He’s got to wham her and say she’s a party animal who loves men, and that’s why she went away. He’s also going to have to prove, in my opinion, that she was carrying on with one particular man, the one she “ran away with.” It’s obvious he’s trying to do that already, by coming up with “racy text messages,” and even dragging Pastor Schori into it with saying she dressed a certain way when seeing him.

    See, it’s all smoke. Once it comes, it goes. I say, “show me the proof.”

    So, he’s got his work cut out for him, so to speak.

  118. No, you won’t be the first to say they called him. I’m sure you won’t be the last to call him. Press, media, bloggers. I’m sure they line up to call him.

  119. If I was a preacher I would have a really cool message on my answering machine. Please leave a message after the beeb for me and remember he is listening too. Something like that.

  120. I’m sure it was him.

    Didn’t you all feel a bit guilty for some of your posts. Nobody but a pastor (or priest) has that kind of power.

  121. But he did give me an idea for my siggy: Post like there’s a pastor in the forum.

    It’s good advice.

    Way back somewhere, we were talking about the boys testifying in front of the GJ. Do any of you know whether that has been decided?

  122. Yes, I did feel guilty. But my uncle was a priest … and it sort of made me feel like my uncle was correcting me.

    And maybe you have nothing to feel guilty about. I just didn’t about who the rest of you are … I mean that you might be friends or family.

    Even when I first read “Neil” I just kind of skimmed through the posts until I saw that it was verified that he was Pastor Neil.

  123. Oops … didn’t THINK about who the rest of you are.

    Kimmer, did you get verification about the emails you sent to Danya?

  124. noway- there was a hearing on 4/29 regarding that, but not a word has been in the news about it. I don’t know if there’s going to be another hearing, or if it was determined that they will, in fact, be compelled to appear before GJ.

    Why stop them???? If they know the facts surrounding her leaving that house, it is what it is. Unless they are told to say otherwise, they’re going to have to say what they know about those circumstances regarding her leaving that house.

    Did they see her leave, or didn’t they??

    If they didn’t see her leave, when’s the last time they did see her? What room of the house was she in when last they saw her?

    What was she doing in that room when last they saw her?

    What was the last thing she said to them?

    Inquiring minds want to know!!!!

  125. I haven’t been able to get to FSP, so thanks Truth. I thought there might be an update there.

    So the judge is still deciding and no mention of when he will make up his mind, I guess.

  126. I just feel bad that I started switching to third person today and talking about him as if he wasn’t part of the conversation. In retrospect that seems kind of rude. But, I did that was because he wasn’t posting.

    I hate when people talk about me when I can hear them. Hey, I’m right here!

  127. Why is there this big question about whether they should testify?

    Is Drew holding them back or is that an assumption on my part?

    What “reason” did he give? Does he think the children would be harmed somehow?

  128. If it was continued for another hearing, it’ll be on the Will County Court Docket. It’s possible to find it, but, not knowing the date, it would take some time to go through that online to find it.

    If it was decided, you can bet your bippy Brodsky would have been out there with the big news that they won’t have to appear before the GJ. So, that leads me to believe it was continued to another date, or they will now have to appear.

    I don’t know how they’d pull off that stunt, keeping them away from the GJ. That would be a feat in and of itself.

  129. Noway as soon as Neil put himself in the public eye he was fair game. No matter what his reason for putting himself out there was. I wanted a question answered and I got it and he explained it. That was about a 0 drama on the drama scale he faces daily as a preacher .

  130. I wonder what would stop one of the boys saying they killed Stacy if they were granted immunity as it has been leaked.

  131. DPeterson has retained a lawyer to represent them, one who is trying to fight the subpoena for them to testify.

    DPeterson is saying that they already talked to a child advocate early on, and, supposedly, he was given assurances that by allowing that, they would not have to appear before the GJ.

    Now, I’m not buying any of it, but that’s what’s out there and that’s what’s going on.

    Amazing how DPeterson’s kids can be the only ones that can be held back from appearing before a GJ. The man is a miracle worker, a real pip.

  132. Well, I’m glad that anything he said here WAS already known by the public, even if it wasn’t known to everyone here.

    He didn’t want our conversation to be about him.

    He wanted us to focus on the fact that Stacy is missing not “when did the pastor go to the police.”

    I do think it’s important to look at everything and delete out the stuff that doesn’t matter.

    The Illinois State Police think Stacy did not leave on her own and are continuing their investigation. With that in mind, I have to believe they know what they’re doing. After all, they are privy to way more evidence than I have!

  133. truth – one of the boys saying “they killed Stacy?”

    Where did that come from?

    Giving them immunity, in my opinion, would allow them to say they know what really happened, but they withheld saying anything to LE because (fill in the blanks).

    That’s what Stacy’s being held accountable for now. She told the Pastor she knew DPeterson killed KS, but she kept quiet.

    Same thing with the boys. Maybe they have information that looks bad for their dad, but they’re not saying. So, they’re being given immunity so as to speak freely, without legal recourse.

  134. Well, LE says she did not leave on her own. He says she did. It’s up to LE to prove she didn’t leave on her own. If they have evidence or facts to “prove” she didn’t leave on her own, then I guess he’s going to have to destroy that with his evidence that she did. Racy text messages, bikini missing.

    Sure convinces me she left with another man (yeah, right)

  135. If one of the boys killed Stacy, what the heck did they do with her?

    I don’t think it’s a possibility.

    Now, one of them MIGHT say he did it, but then there would be about 500 other questions. And if Drew helped cover that up with his lie that Stacy left him for another man (and getting rid of all evidence), Drew would be charged.

  136. Nobody would be replying or even reading if there was only fact to talk about.

    We can’t just come here and say… ‘oh is she still missing’ because truly, that’s about all we know for sure.

  137. I have to say that the whole “racy text message” for me is a nonissue.

    I have nieces about Stacy’s age, and they exchange all kinds of (in my mind) questionable messages with their friends (male and female).

    It’s just part of how that particular friendship is. Don’t know if that makes sense.

    Yes, they might be pornographical or racy, but that’s really as far as they go. They’re just messages.

    Personally, I probably had similar conversations (too old to have texted) with friends of my own.

  138. rescueapet said:
    Same thing with the boys. Maybe they have information that looks bad for their dad, but they’re not saying. So, they’re being given immunity so as to speak freely, without legal recourse.

    They are kids. They wouldn’t be held responsible for not saying bad stuff about their dad.

    Plus, if one of them had killed her or some crazy thing like that, they wouldn’t go to jail for it.
    (no I don’t think that, just going with the convo)

    But you could maybe see some animosity between the boys and the woman who broke up their home.

  139. wow, sure am getting more questions to ask the more i read.
    truth, are you saying it was leaked one of the boys said he killed stacy? sure would like to see where that came from.
    what if the boys get immunity and then plead the 5th like dp says he is going to do? really messed up then i bet.

  140. probably cuz they are out of town. rescue noone said one of the sons killed her it was asked what if & what would stop them. maybe could be a legal move for dp. i dont think anyone believes thats what happened

  141. No one said it was leaked one of the boys said he killed Stacy. Where in the world did you see that here?

    Some “suggested” if they had killed her, maybe their father is covering for them.

  142. I think the immunity is from the statements they may have given to the advocate and police (if any) before.

    I don’t think they would be immune from prosecution.

    HOWEVER

    I do not think that you were saying that either of the boys had done it, only that they might be coerced into saying they had?

    If not, I have to agree with rescueapet … let’s not even go there.

  143. truthisthere, on May 3rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm Said:
    I wonder what would stop one of the boys saying they killed Stacy if they were granted immunity as it has been leaked.

  144. it was leaked they were granted immunity. & rescue i think he meant the boys could say they did to cover for their father not the other way around

  145. Just for discussion sake, it is interesting.

    That had to be a tough situation with the older boys. They saw SP fight with KS, they had to know what was going on, all the fighting with DP.

    I think the kids side with their mama, not daddy doing a kid not much older than them.

    All of a sudden they are motherless and in the hosue with her and now she’s mom, and all this time she knows DP did it.

    If I’m K and T, I think I am hating on SP big time.
    I’d be glad to see her gone… in their shoes.

    Whaddya think?

  146. Onlythefacts I agree with you 100% it appears like it could all go to heck the way they are playing their cards but i think you are wrong in this case.

  147. what if the kids overheard dp confess to killing ks and they took it out on stacy. now that i think about it, not many if any pictures are shown with the older kids and stacy are there? just speculation.

    it wasnt leaked the boys are granted immunity, it was in the news article. that wouldnt be a leak, would it?

  148. I think it would be called a leak, the prosecutor can not tell anyone anything about a GJ witness. No one should know they have been granted immunity unless they told.

  149. fyi
    [IL] Drew Peterson’s kids subpoenaed to testify (2/2008)
    Feb. 28, 2008Two of Drew Peterson’s children from his marriage to Kathleen Savio have been subpoenaed to testify in front of the grand jury investigating his possible involvement in her death and… Feb. 28, 2008Two of Drew Peterson’s children from his marriage to Kathleen Savio have been subpoenaed to testify in front of the grand jury investigating his possible involvement in her death and the disappearance of his fourth wife, Stacey Peterson, ABC News has learned.The two boys, Tom, 15, and Christopher, 13, were served with subpoenas Wednesday and were granted immunity in return for their testimony. They are currently living with their father.A coroner’s inquest had previously ruled the 2004 death of Savio, Peterson’s third wife, an accident, but an autopsy report last week determined that Savio was killed in her Bolingbrook, Ill., home, a few weeks before her divorce from Peterson was complete.Peterson, a former Bolingbrook police officer, has not been named as a suspect in Savio’s death, but he is considered a suspect in Stacey Peterson’s disappearance. Authorities reexamined Savio’s death after Stacey Peterson disappeared in November. (more…) (less)

  150. so check this out….
    http://www.abanet.org/media/faqjury.html
    What is a grant of immunity?
    A grant of immunity to a grand jury witness overcomes the witness’s privilege against self-incrimination, and the witness is then required to testify. The prosecutor is prohibited from using that testimony or leads from it to bring charges against the witness. If a subsequent prosecution is brought, the prosecutor bears the burden of proving that all of its evidence was obtained independent of the immunized testimony. In practice, it is difficult to successfully prosecute someone for criminal activity they discussed in immunized testimony unless the prosecution had a fully prepared case before immunity was granted.

    Many states grant the witness “transactional immunity,” barring prosecution for a transaction discussed in the immunized testimony regardless of whether there are independent sources of evidence.

    so that means with immunity, you can confess anything to the gj and not haved that you against you?

  151. What is a grant of immunity?
    A grant of immunity to a grand jury witness overcomes the witness’s privilege against self-incrimination, and the witness is then required to testify. The prosecutor is prohibited from using that testimony or leads from it to bring charges against the witness. If a subsequent prosecution is brought, the prosecutor bears the burden of proving that all of its evidence was obtained independent of the immunized testimony. In practice, it is difficult to successfully prosecute someone for criminal activity they discussed in immunized testimony unless the prosecution had a fully prepared case before immunity was granted.

    Many states grant the witness “transactional immunity,” barring prosecution for a transaction discussed in the immunized testimony regardless of whether there are independent sources of evidence.

    CANT ADD LINKS

  152. ok, i just thought that using the link would be better than posting the whole text. trying to make it faster to refresh the page that way. oh well.

  153. Hopefully, the boys would not be dumb enough to confess to a murder they did not commit.

    It only came out that Stacy knew about Drew killing Kathleen and covered up for him AFTER she went missing.

    If the boys heard Drew and Stacy arguing, who would they be madder at: The man who killed their mom or the woman who covered up the knowledge of that murder.

    And would they be any better for covering up Stacy’s death?

    No … just don’t buy that they were involved and I don’t buy that either of them would confess to protect Drew.

    IMO they might know something without realizing they do.

  154. Onlythefacts, you’re as speedy as bb60440 when it comes to finding stuff.

    He/she has some competition!

  155. noway, is that the guy that takes down flylers fsp wrote about?
    i search for a living, on disablity and thats how i earn my keep, doing research. sorry that offends you.
    don’t know the answers to your questions. not easy to get in a teens mind. i said i was only speculating.

  156. Onlythefacts, according to bb60440, he/she is not the person who took down flyers.

    Searching for a living … that explains why you are so fast. You know what you’re doing. For all I know, bb does the same. Why in the world would it offend me that you’re fast with the answers. Saved me from going into my favs and finding the Grand Jury link from bb.

    I had not heard the rumor that one of the boys would testify that HE had killed Stacy. This would only protect him from being charged (unless they could show that what brought them to this conclusion was not the boys testimony, correct?)

    Now, if you could get into a teens’ mind, you would be set for life. Selling your secrets.

  157. onlythefacts, on May 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm Said:
    does any one know why findstacypeterson is down?

    If you’ve gone to the site, you know what we know.

  158. i dont think i want to get into a one on one conversation with you, noway. does not take long to get slammed on here,does it?
    i only repeated truthisthere, on May 3rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm Said:
    “I wonder what would stop one of the boys saying they killed Stacy if they were granted immunity as it has been leaked”.
    i will go back to just reading here .

  159. Oh, this “rumor” stuff about a kid killing Stacy is disgusting. Again, I’m not even going to go there.

    All I’m doing is offering why they were granted “immunity.” In the very beginning of Stacy’s disappearance, those boys talked to Sharon and Mims. One of the sons went to stay at his best friend’s house, who’s father is the principal of their school.

    Maybe, innocently, he uttered words that were curious, words that somehow account for the mystery surround his mother, and what may have happened to her. Maybe what he uttered at first didn’t jive with the rendition his father was giving out.

    So, knowing that from speaking to all interested parties, wouldn’t it be understandable that these teens would be granted immunity, especially to satisfy any lawyer that is going to be representing them, to ensure that if they say what they know, they won’t be held accountable for any legal wrongdoing?

    Hmmm?

  160. Rescueapet, I understand why they were granted immunity.

    I had not heard the rumor that one of the boys would confess to the murder, having been granted immunity.

    I wish Truth had not left … or would post where he/she read or heard that rumor.

    And, Onlythetruth, I don’t think anyone slammed you. It could be that Truth IS looking for the source on what he/she posted.

  161. If you’re talking about bbismytown taking down flyers, what happened is not what has been rumored.

    He took down posters of Lisa from in front of their home, to save the kids a bit of heartache (from someone trying to ballbust Craig).

    He did not take down Stacy flyers. That is a lie. FSP and the turd propegated that lie along with many others, but did not bother to apologize to him when the truth came out.

    bbismytown and bolingbrook60440 is not the same poster.

  162. Come on you guys with the other forum stuff! Gatehouse came out with a post that said no mention was to be made of that stuff anymore, or they were thinking of closing this one down.

    If it’s going to go back to the forum lots seem to know and hate, then I guess I’ll have to go back to reading too.

    Sorry.

  163. I’m just waiting for someone to say “Gestapo” again, so I can cite Godwin’s Law and declare victory!

    I keed. 😉

  164. Amanda, thanks for that information. I had read from posts that they were not the same person, but I didn’t know that bbismytown HAD NOT taken down Stacy flyers.

  165. rescuapet, i misread it then, what you wrote. i think you meant that the granting immunity was leaked, not that one of the boys said they killed stacy, do i have it correct now?

  166. only – that’s what I “know.” I would leap buildings at a single bound if I knew the “leak” was out there that said one of the boys was going to admit to doing harm to Stacy.

    What IS out there is that they were granted immunity to testify before the GJ. I’m not a lawyer, and I don’t know why they would have done this, except that is something the lawyer representing them would specifically ask for.

  167. The “boy killing” thing is not a rumor, it is conjecture for discussion.

    Sort of a “what if”.

    Conjecture means:

    a: inference from defective or presumptive evidence
    b: a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork
    c: a proposition before it has been proved or disproved

  168. LOL, I’d leap those buildings trying to cut and paste the report that says that. Ooops, sorry.

  169. noway,
    Anthony knows it, Sharon knows it, Kerry knows it,
    the whole frikken committee knows it, but not one apology.

  170. Well, the issue of conjecture, then, isn’t going to cut it, amanda.

    Drew has to go with the theory he put out there in the first place. That SPeterson left him for another man, she called him to tell him so, and only mentioned where the car could be found. I’ve not seen him repeat any other information from that call, such as “tell the kids I love them, kiss them goodby.

    It’s up to LE now to prove otherwise. Unless DP is charged with that crime of her disappearance and murder, he doesn’t have to prove anything right now. He said it, it’s done.

    So, whatever else gets tossed out there, even in his defense, he can’t change the rules now. He’s stuck with the ones he’s got.

  171. amanda – I’m asking you this nicely, okay. No offense. Are you going to continue with the fsp stuff? If so, I’ll say goodnight, it’s been great, another time, okay?

  172. I think it was no talk about other forums and especially no talk about people at other forums since they aren’t here to defend themselves.

    We don’t need it. There’s plenty to discuss without forum gossip.

  173. Rescueapet, exactly.

    There is NO WAY either of the boys are going to confess that they killed Stacy. They couldn’t have. She called Drew at 9 p.m. and told him she was leaving him for another man.

  174. I am only amandareckonwith, aka amanda on all the forums I post at currently.
    However, I have been other nics. Not either of the bb’s.

    And– rescue, I would agree with you on the idea that DP has to go with what he first said.

  175. I’m sorry for the mention of other forums. I answered the Q about whether bb60440 had taken down flyers.

    And I was glad for information I hadn’t known. I don’t know the person who took down flyers, nor do I know of that person’s connection to the Stebic family, or their right to decide what was or wasn’t good for the Stebic children.

  176. rescueapet, go or stay. I will post what I want, not what suits you.

    I can assume you will do the same.

  177. I hate to see posts removed. They can contain good information as well as stuff that breaks the rules here.

  178. Okay. So here’s my thoughts on his defense.

    He’s doing exactly what he set out to do. He said she left him for another man, took off, and that’s it.

    He’s got no choice but to discredit her reputation, dig up and throw out whatever crap he thinks he has on her (which, by the way, makes you wonder how he would know all of this stuff, huh), and goes with it.

    Imagine going on tv and saying “Stacy always had to have male attention.”

    Duh, unless the women here don’t give a rat’s butt about how they look and feel, who’s going to deny they don’t appreciate having a man look at them and thinking they’re attractive? Acting on that is another thing, but, come on, then why do most women spend hours getting their hair done, their nails done, their toes done, and a whole bunch of other stuff? Yeah, you may do it for your husband, but doesn’t everyone care how they look to other people?

    He’s a goon.

  179. can we get back to what if?
    what if the one of the older boys did hear the conversation with dp and sp about ks? that would be from august to october when sp vanished, correct? what if your son came to you and said he heard that or part of it, and the father, from august till october, put thoughts or ideas into that that young mind? just saying what if. i do not put anyone past doing anything.

  180. Personally, if I looked like Stacy, I’d make the most of it too. Yes, I’m very happily married, but if I had it, I’d flaunt it.

  181. I answered a question, get over it. I know a lot of answers and will give them if asked. Same as the rest of you.
    Boohoo if it involves another forum.

    Matter of fact, the other forum is the one who got those FALSE rumors started.

    When corrected and admitted fault, no apology was forthcoming. The attack sure was public though.

  182. What conversation between Drew and Stacy about Kathleen? In August?

    I’m a little confused.

    Stacy talked to Pastor Neil in August.

    I don’t know of any conversation in August between Stacy and Drew.

  183. onlythefacts: Exactly!!! What if, at 18 or 19 years old, which is what Stacy was when KS was “murdered,” he did the exact same thing with her.

    Like: well, Stacy, if you open your mouth and say I killed Kathleen, you’re going down with me.

    But, remember, KS’s death does not come from the lips of DPeterson or Brodsky. DPeterson has no choice but to ignore that, because he never expected it to come back to haunt him, and LE has all kinds of resources now to look into it. He has to go with the statements he gave at the time of KS’s death, good or bad, and now LE will go over it with a fine-toothed comb. Yikes.

  184. Onlythefacts: I just don’t buy it.

    Don’t think the boys had anything to do with Stacy’s disappearance.

    They may have seen or heard something and don’t realize what it has to do with the big picture.

    But as far as planning a murder … NO WAY.

    IMO

  185. getting there rescue.
    what if, thoughyour father was pounding in your head what an evil wicked stepmother you have for helping with your moms death.or killing your real mom…..etc.?? i can not count anything out of the question here. just speculating

  186. I have to say that I wonder why ONLYTHEFACTS would speculate in this direction.

    I’m off to dinner. bbl

  187. In case any missed this post or needs a reminder, these are the latest guidelines that were posted.

    gatehousechicago, on May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm Said:
    Everyone, we have had to delete more than 50 comments today. We are dangerously close to shutting the comment section of this blog down if the insults continue.

    Here’s a few rules:
    1) Absolutely no personal attacks.
    2) Do not mention any members of other forums on this blog.
    3) Leave other forums as a whole out of your discussions. We did not want to make this rule. But, every time that subject is brought up, it engulfs the entire thread and leads to useless insults. We want everyone to feel comfortable posting here, regardless of what forums they are on. Unless a forum has some real news value, don’t mention it. We also want to encourage of variety of topics, and that isn’t possible with the current environment.
    4) No profanity (and substtiuting symbols for vowels isn’t going to cut it.)

  188. right, so do not think its so far fetched for kids to murder. like i said, nothing is out of the question anymore.

  189. Nobody has to answer my question. I just didn’t know what conversation onlythefacts was talking about between Stacy and Drew that took place in August.

    Oh, I believe kids commit murder.

    I just don’t believe THESE kids killed Stacy because she covered up their Dad killing their mom. If they did, then how are they any better?

    If they killed Stacy because she killed their mom, how are they any better.

    I just DO NOT buy it. From anyone.

  190. I’m just staying away from that discussion, as it interests me not.

    I’ll jump back in when I have something to add.

  191. can not discuss all aspects then, rescue, mind has to open if it is to work, like they say about parachutes

  192. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/60359

    Article by Rebekah Price about Drew Peterson.

    Quote: The people of Will County have to decide how to deal with Peterson and Stebic day to day until all the facts are in. What is known is that two young mothers remain missing–one after a year, another after six months–and their husbands remain the prime “persons of interest”. If Drew Peterson thinks he can assuage his guilt and win over some public favor with his feeble and meager reward offering, he is once again mistaken. It is too little, too late.

    Instead of returning to the same drawing board, Joel Brodsky would do well to offer his client a radical new idea. One that is so farfetched even Drew Peterson could not come up with it on his own. No, he would need legal counsel for this one, and good legal counsel if he could find it. The haphazardly choreographed, egocentric atmosphere of the Brodsky-Peterson burlesque would break all its own rules with this unconventional approach that could change everything.

    All Drew has to do is tell the truth.

  193. “I wonder what would stop one of the boys saying they killed Stacy if they were granted immunity as it has been leaked”.

    The leak I was refering to is the leak that they have been granted immunity.

    Nothing else.

  194. truthisthere, on May 3rd, 2008 at 7:17 pm Said:

    “I wonder what would stop one of the boys saying they killed Stacy if they were granted immunity as it has been leaked”.

    ***********************

    Answer: their father. period.

  195. If the boys confess they killed sp they have to tell how they did it and where it’s the body. If dp killed sp the boys can get him off the hook taking it upon themselves and dp will never be charged with her murder. If sp run away the boys cannot say they killed her; they will not be able to “provide” a body for the ISP. I believe this “immunity offer” it’s there so ISP can see if sp was killed or not. If the boys do not “confess”, sp run away.
    I believe ISP has their suspicion that sp disappearance it’s just a scam.

  196. in your opinion, fascinatingtermsofdeservice, you think the state police suspect sp vanishing is a scam?

  197. onlythefacts it’s obvious! Just compare the way the investigation of Lacy Peterson disappearance was done with the investigation of sp disappearance. In LP case we saw the police searching the marina. In sp case we see nothing. No leaks whatsoever. I never saw a police investigation where were no leaks. Did you? Why there are no leaks here? Why we never heard of police searching different areas after that canal search? After the search of the canal was called off everything went quiet… hmmmm.. bizarre isn’t it?

  198. fascinatingtermsofdeservice,
    Remember: the boat, the concrete, the gas receipts, was seen there, fishing on Christmas Eve alone…… there is more, but that is part of the reason they were searching that marina. Don’t forget, Scott was not a Cop, so he was not privy on how to hide a crime. I think after the kids go to the GJ, LE will make an arrest in the SP case.

  199. Those boys have already suffered the death of one mother and the loss of their family members (Savio’s) after their mom, Kathleen, died. Since, they now have to endure the ruling of homicide attached to their mothers death. (which should have been the ruling at the get go.) So now we talk about reopening wounds. Add to that the missing status of Stacy..and her presumed death…the media hounding their home…the whispers behind their backs……………………………………..and you guys are going to “hypothetically conjecture” a “thought process” of “what if” the boys were involved in Stacy’s death?…………………………..Are you all for real here?……………………where is your thought processes regarding those children?………………..imagine if someone publicly posted a “hypothetical thought process” regarding one of your own children and attach them to a possible murder scenario?…………………………………..THINK before you post. Not all “thoughts” need to be put in writing for Gosh sakes………………………THINK PEOPLE.

  200. lavandadolce – I refuse to touch that “thought process” about the boys! I think that is just a baiting response for the rest of us, to get a heated reaction from us. JMO.

  201. By giving the children immunity, the hopeful outcome (from Drew’s perspective) would be to enact the law so that the child can plead the fifth ammendment and this is primarily because the children, themselves, live and reside with the parent of whom the courts want to have the child “testify against”. This is common practice to try and have the children receive immunity as well as not testifying….and because the children reside with Drew, could very well be granted and they may be called to testify…but can legally plead the fifth.

  202. rescueapet, on May 4th, 2008 at 8:15 am Said:
    lavandadolce – I refuse to touch that “thought process” about the boys! I think that is just a baiting response for the rest of us, to get a heated reaction from us. JMO.
    **************************

    I agree. For heaven’s sakes…they’re children! And with a lot of pain in thier lives.

  203. First of all, the boys will have to endure the GJ appearance before they “endure” what’s written on this forum. Pathetic excuses have always been used to cut “the freedom of speech” but with no success. So pathetic it’s not working try something else Lavanda.
    In Sp case the police has more info that they had in Lacy P case. Here they have TMorphey and his story, they have dp being breathless and jiggling his car keys, they have the priest confession, they have Cass’, Pam’s Sharon’s testimonies of sp being in fear for her life, they have Kathleen Savio death. They have the bullet in the garage ceiling… they have tons of info comparing with Lacy P case where even Lacy’s family considered Scott innocent in the beginning. I know it’s hard for some of us to accept that we invested so much energy and money for a scam, but I believe it’s time for us to “cut our losses” and think out of the box.

  204. Once one is given “immunity” , he/she CANNOT plead the Fifth in front of the GJ!

  205. A witness who has previously discussed facts relevant to a grand jury investigation with an FBI agent, investigator or Government attorney may still assert the 5th Amendment privilege before the grand jury as to testimony concerning those same facts. An immunity status is given when it’s agreed that “should they give pertinent information”…that the info cannot be used “against themselves”….(transactional)….and/or not to be used as “evidence to indict” (Use Immunity)

    The immunity status “of pleading the fifth” is really when it’s relevant to “protecting oneself”….In the particular case of the children of Drew, they are going for the “USE IMMUNITY”, (not the “Transactional Immunity”)…….in other words, the whole point is that whatever the children say they will want to be sure that “use immunity” is applied and that his testimony cannot be used as a basis for a criminal indictment.

    There are also seperate laws written, in the case of minor children RESIDING with a parent in which I believe they can indeed “plead the fifth”, while under “use immunity”…because upon release of the GJ…they go back home to the residence under the care of the “subject in question”. (Drew Peterson)

  206. fascinatingtermsofdeservice, on May 4th, 2008 at 8:47 am Said:
    First of all, the boys will have to endure the GJ appearance before they “endure” what’s written on this forum. Pathetic excuses have always been used to cut “the freedom of speech” but with no success. So pathetic it’s not working try something else Lavanda.
    *************************************

    I don’t believe those that created the US Constitution, and placed the indicators towards “freedeom of speech”….would be too proud that you would use that as your basis to create a hypothetical situation in which children may have partaken in a murder scenario….hypothetical, or not. I believe in the “laws” of decency, common sense and privacy when it comes to children…..sorry you believe that those that indicated “hypothetically” ( if the children took part in the demise of their mother)…as “conversation” and “freedom of speech”….well, it’s immoral, in my opinion.

  207. facsmiley, on May 4th, 2008 at 9:22 am Said:
    Don’t buy it. Total nonsense. Moving on.

    Thread over. Next.
    *****************************

    LOL. Slow down there Facsmiley 🙂 What is over…what is next? What don’t you buy?

  208. Lavanda, read my posts carefully; If necessary reread. I never said that the boys killed Sp!
    Lavanda you keep bringing lots of nonsense in this discussion. I found it extremely annoying. Sorry I rather talk with someone else but you.

  209. fascinatingtermsofdeservice, on May 4th, 2008 at 9:36 am Said:
    Lavanda, read my posts carefully; If necessary reread. I never said that the boys killed Sp!
    Lavanda you keep bringing lots of nonsense in this discussion. I found it extremely annoying. Sorry I rather talk with someone else but you.
    *************************

    And I never said that YOU said that. I merely stated that those here who are “hypothesizing” and creating scenario’s in which the children partook in a criminal act of murder…is NOT kosher and is NOT what “freedom of speech” is designed for.
    And if you don’t like conversing with me…that is fine. Then please don’t address posts to me. If you find my posts annoying….skip em. Real easy solve. Eh?

  210. lavandadolce, on May 4th, 2008 at 9:27 am Said:

    LOL. Slow down there Facsmiley What is over…what is next? What don’t you buy?

    ——————————–

    ‘New’ poster: Wacked out theory. Baiting.

  211. Gotcha, Facsmiley.

    It’s just beyond my own comprehension why anyone involved in ANY of the grand jury proceedings would talk to the media, or post in ANY forum or blog…nor can I comprehend anyone trying to portray the children as “more involved”, hypothetical or not.

  212. facsmiley, on May 4th, 2008 at 9:58 am Said:

    ‘New’ poster: Wacked out theory. Baiting.”

    —————————————–

    I understand you facsmiley. I know there are people that would accept sp was abducted by aliens rather than she run away.

  213. There are lots of people very close to the case coming out of the woodwork posting on blogs. I think it is a concerted effort by LE.

  214. I wonder what Drew taught his boys about respect for women. I remember an uncle of kathleens saying they were taught no respect for her.

  215. lavandadolce, on May 4th, 2008 at 10:13 am Said:
    Gotcha, Facsmiley.

    It’s just beyond my own comprehension why anyone involved in ANY of the grand jury proceedings would talk to the media, or post in ANY forum or blog…nor can I comprehend anyone trying to portray the children as “more involved”, hypothetical or not.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    i sure wish someone would call neil at the christian church and hear it from himself that he was the one posting on here. lavanda, how about you, would you want to call him and ask him for yourseif? 630) 983-5600 ext 112

  216. Ok, here is Neil Schori Pastor of a church, he will be the main witness in the murder trial of Kathleen Savio, for sure if a hearsay law passes which it appears it will, and he is blogging about the case. He has linked his church and phone number to this blog for some unknown reason. Makes no sense unless he was asked to by someone.

  217. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 10:43 am Said:
    just in case you missed it lavonda. children do kill, get your head out of the sand.
    *********************************************

    Your screen name totally contradicts your post. Do you think I live in a cave or something? Of course there are children who have killed. Tell me what that has to do with Stacy Peterson?

  218. Hey I loved my dad, if he was being accused of a murder that I believed he did not commit and I was offered immunity to testify I would think real hard about saying I did it to get my dad off.

  219. i sure would like to hear it from him(neil) and not blogged on here. i don’t know why i dont believe its true, but it is really eating at me. has he blogged on FSP? isn’t that strange if he has not? i guess i do not trust anyhing anymore.

  220. Just sounds like things are being “over blown” and “out of proportion” here. I’m sure the children do love their dad. It’s all they have left. At this point, it’s the only parent that they feel have not “abandonded” them. (no thanks to Drew Peterson)
    I’m sure the questioning would be along the line of “what occured at home on the day Stacy went missing?”
    The GJ questions would not be “assumptions”…such as “Do you think your father killed your adopted mom , Stacy?”….I doubt that very much…and if they were asked such, I believe the lawyer for the children would object and it not have to be answered.

  221. lavanda
    how is that a contradiction? kids can do murder is all i am pointing out. you have your mind closed to any other possibility other than dp killing sp. that is all i am saying.

  222. LOL, talk to the hand!!!!!

    LOL. Hey fascsmiley, hey lavanda, hey neil. Guess we’ll all need to run for cover until Gatehouse can get this straightened out.

    See ya all later.

  223. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am Said:
    i sure would like to hear it from him(neil) and not blogged on here. i don’t know why i dont believe its true, but it is really eating at me. has he blogged on FSP? isn’t that strange if he has not? i guess i do not trust anyhing anymore.
    *********************************

    I agree with you on this, as well. Personally, whether he is or not is none of my business. So for me to phone him and ask “hey, is that you posting?” would be an invasive, imo. Who am I to question what someone elses actions are? I’m just of the belief that anyone who is going to be called forth as a witness should not be blogging or creating a website of their own (Rick Mims)…nor “appearing” as guests in forums to answer questions posed of the public. We’re talking about an ongoing investigation. Divulging information, or “confirming” information regarding an ongoing investigation should be a strong no-no.

  224. “truthisthere, on May 4th, 2008 at 11:00 am Said:
    Hey I loved my dad, if he was being accused of a murder that I believed he did not commit and I was offered immunity to testify I would think real hard about saying I did it to get my dad off.”

    I agree with you. Most of teenagers will cover for the “only” remaining parent AND not only they will get their father “off the hook” but it will put an end to this drama which I’m sure those kids desperately want to see it’s over.

  225. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 11:04 am Said:
    lavanda
    how is that a contradiction? kids can do murder is all i am pointing out. you have your mind closed to any other possibility other than dp killing sp. that is all i am saying.
    **************************************

    I’m 99% positive he did it, in my opinion. There is a 1% part of me…slim chance… that “could” see a possibility that she is under witness protection…as for running away, yes…I’m absolutely 100% closed to that.

  226. truthisthere, on May 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am Said:

    Hey rescueapet! Are you involved in Neil posting here?

    Did you ask him to?

    *************************************

    Yeah, I’m involved in him posting here, and I asked him to.

    Icky little troll.

  227. rescueapet, on May 4th, 2008 at 11:05 am Said:
    LOL, talk to the hand!!!!!

    LOL. Hey fascsmiley, hey lavanda, hey neil. Guess we’ll all need to run for cover until Gatehouse can get this straightened out.

    See ya all later.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
    now what do we have here? is this what dayna said she didnt want? rescue is trying to do an us against them situtation beacause once more someone with a different point of view speaks up. oh well, i think this thread will survive without rescueapet. why dont YOU call neil, rescueapet?

  228. lavonda, i for one would like to hear from neil himself that he is the one posting here and not some impostor. i know dayna said it was verified, but how?

  229. #
    onlythefacts, on May 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 pm Said:

    hello, newbie, just registered. i guess i was too late to ask neil questions? why do you think he said his time is up here? also, next to my name date and time, it says “Your comment is awaiting moderation”. does that mean each comment has to wait? going to take along time i guess.
    *********************

    My, my, my. Yesterday, you were a newbie. Today, you know what “Danya said she didn’t want.” That’s very interesting.

  230. you are correct, ms paranoid. all you have to do is scrool up,:) rescueapet.
    i thought you were leaving? dont let me stop you

  231. facsmiley, on May 3rd, 2008 at 5:10 pm Said:
    In case any missed this post or needs a reminder, these are the latest guidelines that were posted.

    gatehousechicago, on May 1st, 2008 at 7:56 pm Said:
    Everyone, we have had to delete more than 50 comments today. We are dangerously close to shutting the comment section of this blog down if the insults continue.

    Here’s a few rules:
    1) Absolutely no personal attacks.
    2) Do not mention any members of other forums on this blog.
    3) Leave other forums as a whole out of your discussions. We did not want to make this rule. But, every time that subject is brought up, it engulfs the entire thread and leads to useless insults. We want everyone to feel comfortable posting here, regardless of what forums they are on. Unless a forum has some real news value, don’t mention it. We also want to encourage of variety of topics, and that isn’t possible with the current environment.
    4) No profanity (and substtiuting symbols for vowels isn’t going to cut it.)

  232. rescueapet how did you know what Neil knew?

    ………………………………………………………………..

    rescueapet, on May 2nd, 2008 at 8:32 pm Said:
    I think that was already public information. He wouldn’t say anything that wasn’t already out there, and he is very aware of what is out there.

  233. “onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 11:25 am Said:
    could you look any dumber? ”

    Oh ho ho! Please don’t encourage her! LOL

  234. now look at this news article. just what we were speaking about. kids taking the heat for the father and vice-versa.
    Son denied bail, dad’s set at $5 mil. for murder

    May 4, 2008Recommend (3)

    BY MARY WISNIEWSKIStaff Reporter mwisniewski@suntimes.com
    A 22-year-old South Side man was ordered held without bond Saturday for allegedly killing a man who had fought with his father at a West Side factory last week.

    Ermilo Flores is charged with first-degree murder, as is his father, Filberto Flores, 49, who was held on a $5 million bond. A second son was also allegedly involved, but police said he has not been arrested.

    According to prosecutors, Filberto Flores got into an argument Wednesday with Santos Rivera, 28, a father of three, at O&G Spring & Wire Form Specialty Co.

    Prosecutors say Filberto, a supervisor who had been a factory employee for more than 20 years, went home to get a gun. Ermilo Flores took the gun from his father, and the two of them and a second son returned to the factory together, prosecutors said.

    Both Ermilo and Filberto Flores have confessed to the slaying, prosecutors say.

  235. OnlyTheFacts, I really don’t think the children are going to take “any heat” for any of their father’s actions. Just like I don’t find fault with Stephen Peterson because of his fathers actions. And I highly doubt the children would confess to something that they didn’t do…in order to take the heat off their dad. We are talking 13 and 14 year olds. Even if they tried…I’m sure it would fail.

  236. lavanda, i am just showing you that it is possible, THATS ALL. i am not saying the kids had anything to do with this mess other than the bad luck of having dp as their father. you only want to see what you want to see. dont give me the 13 14 yr old stuff. i already pointed out kids at that age can do some terrible things. colombine ring any bells? its just a discussion here, that is all it is. kick around ideas. until people like rescueapet blows a gasket and acts like a fool 🙂

  237. Is there not a place, blog, etc. to be able to in a decent manner, exchange thoughts without the “gatehouse” “admin” threat? As it becomes difficult to drive home a point when having to tip toe around certian issues

  238. fugatzi, on May 4th, 2008 at 11:50 am Said:
    Is there not a place, blog, etc. to be able to in a decent manner, exchange thoughts without the “gatehouse” “admin” threat? As it becomes difficult to drive home a point when having to tip toe around certian issues

    There are several private boards that allow discussion.
    I posted a link to one upthread.

    Although there are “hushers” here, a lot of good discussion is allowed.

    To get to the truth, issues have to be discussed, even the ones we don’t like.

    Of course, everyone has a tolerance level. So, when it gets to bother you too much, you need to take a little break.

  239. just scroll up fugatzi (which means fake in italian, fugazi,could that be your rescueapet? :)) and you will see things were going fine till a gasket was blown.

  240. You are right about the meaning although it’s technically italian slang as in proper Italian it would be falsificazione.

    I am not Rescue, nor do I blow gaskets about anything, I am very very interested to shoot the breeze about any and all angles, but hate to have to walk on egg shells as is the general atmosphere in some of the forums and now here somewhat.

  241. Rescueapet, the reason I question who you are is because when I made my post asking why Neil posted you jumped on it within 2 minutes. You had not posted for almost 9 hrs. Just seemed kinda funny.

    rescueapet, on May 2nd, 2008 at 11:37 am Said:
    freedom – thank you. You rock.

    For the record – I can ignore the disagreements and opposing viewpoints. After all, it is a blog with differing ideas.

    It’s just very hard, having been here in the past for all of it, to ignore being accused of being a double poster, or watching the personal name calling.

    truthisthere, on May 2nd, 2008 at 8:30 pm Said:
    I don’t understand why Neil would tell Brodsky when he went to the police. Why would he give that confidential information to them? I have a gut feeling the police are asking Neil to say certain things.

    rescueapet, on May 2nd, 2008 at 8:32 pm Said:
    I think that was already public information. He wouldn’t say anything that wasn’t already out there, and he is very aware of what is out there.

  242. I am reading upthread and beyond to get caught up here. May I ask how is anyone sure that the Neil posting is/was in fact actually and for sure the Pastor?

  243. Well, whatever he said about disclosing exactly WHEN he went to the cops, I had not read that anyplace, and for sure not from him.

    I’ve read most everything from this case, did not recall reading that.

  244. gatehousechicago, on May 2nd, 2008 at 11:15 am Said:
    Pastor Schori’s identity has been verified.

    bolingbrook60440, on May 2nd, 2008 at 11:17 am Said:
    can i ask how, dayna?

    bolingbrook60440, on May 2nd, 2008 at 11:17 am Said:
    i just sent pastor shori and email, if he responds i will applogize for doubting him. thats all i can do.

    gatehousechicago, on May 2nd, 2008 at 11:19 am Said:
    Because we contacted him to make sure someone wasn’t using his identity.

    bolingbrook60440, on May 2nd, 2008 at 11:22 am Said:
    you actually spoke to him? i called and left my name and number, i guess being a member of the press has its advantages. as soon as he responds to my email or phone call. i will applogize

    bolingbrook60440, on May 2nd, 2008 at 11:27 am Said:
    my apologies to the pastor for doubting him.

  245. fugatzi, on May 4th, 2008 at 12:03 pm Said:
    I am reading upthread and beyond to get caught up here. May I ask how is anyone sure that the Neil posting is/was in fact actually and for sure the Pastor?
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    dayna said she confirmed he was the pastor. but i dont know why i still doubt it so much. i tried callling yesterday while he was on here and only go voice mail. if you want, why dont you call him yourself. the phone number is here.

  246. In Neils answer to me he stated:

    Neil, on May 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 pm Said:
    truthisthere,

    You are correct that I had never shared when I went to the police. However, it was already common knowledge, as reported to the AP by another pastor at the church that I used to work for, that I did not go to the police in August.

    Secondly, grand jury testimony can be shared at anytime after you are questioned. I, however, have chosen to be silent.

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Does anyone else wonder if the grand jury asked him when he went to the police.?

  247. truthisthere, on May 4th, 2008 at 12:27 pm Said:
    So what brings Neil here.
    *****

    That right there is the $64,000 question.

    The article was about her dad and her marital discord the dad didn’t know about.

    But Neil did know all about it, he even knew KS was murdered before anyone else besides those who covered for it. He knew and kept the secret for 2+ months.

    He did not come here to tell us what a shame it is to have problems in marriage and to pray for Stacy.

    Yeah… I’d like to know what the purpose is.

  248. more and more i think the neil that posted here is not pastor shori. reporters can and have been duped too.

  249. fugatzi, on May 4th, 2008 at 11:50 am Said:
    Is there not a place, blog, etc. to be able to in a decent manner, exchange thoughts without the “gatehouse” “admin” threat? As it becomes difficult to drive home a point when having to tip toe around certian issues
    *************************************************

    As Amanda pointed out, there are many forums in which one can post thoughts and hypotheticals, however, most of those are either by invitation or you sign up and are “closed” to viewing w/o an account.

    This particular forum is in full public view, as well as FSP. The FSP site is constantly on google search…which makes it even more public. It’s just common sense when one wants to toss out idea’s and thoughts to use some discretion. Also, hypotheticals about minor children should not be allowed….in any forum, imo. But then again, that is “common sense”…or at least I would hope it to be.

  250. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 12:40 pm Said:
    more and more i think the neil that posted here is not pastor shori. reporters can and have been duped too.
    ****************************

    Or, “can be doing the duping” too. 😉

  251. “rescueapet, on May 2nd, 2008 at 8:32 pm Said:
    I think that was already public information. He wouldn’t say anything that wasn’t already out there, and he is very aware of what is out there”.

    Same thing will do a “fugatzi” pastor; say only things that are already public info. LOL
    I kinda doubt he’s the real thing. (sorry Father if I’m mistaken)

  252. truthisthere, on May 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm Said:
    correct that, over 9 hrs.
    ******************************

    Truthisthere, I don’t know about you however my computer is on all the time. If it shows posting for 14 hours doesn’t mean I’m sitting here and posting. Fact is, I’ve done at least 4 loads of laundry, vacuumed the living area, loaded the dishwasher, made lunch, took a bath and packed for my work trip that I leave on tomorrow…and all since 6 am this morning. Thus, times stamps don’t really mean too much.

  253. lavonda, i dont understand your view about minor children? why are they so off limits to you? i showed you over and over that minor children do commit murder, and some of the most violent too. so whats the high horse attitude? you are not to judge what is or isnt allowed, thats one thing i do know, if nothing else.

    as far as the pasor shori, i want to hear from him myself, and i will try calling again monday. anyone else want to call too? lavando, pick up your phone and call him, its sunday, you would think he would be at the church, no?

  254. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:03 pm Said:
    lavonda, i dont understand your view about minor children? why are they so off limits to you? i showed you over and over that minor children do commit murder, and some of the most violent too. so whats the high horse attitude? you are not to judge what is or isnt allowed, thats one thing i do know, if nothing else.

    as far as the pasor shori, i want to hear from him myself, and i will try calling again monday. anyone else want to call too? lavando, pick up your phone and call him, its sunday, you would think he would be at the church, no?
    *******************************************
    It’s not a matter of “high horse”. I have children and I know that I would be crushed to learn of people speaking of my children as being involved in a “hypothetical” situation in which ADULTS were discussing the possibility of my children committing a murder…as a twist to a case. Sorry, nothing high horse about that. As if you can’t see already how some comments become screwed up and manipulated enough? Gheesh…The case is about Drew/Stacy/Kathleen……..it certainly is not about the children in the media….at least not from the perspective of them being suspects….so why on earth paint it as such….even in a hypothetical? For that matter, we can hypothetical this forever…if everyone were following your pattern the next thing said would be “what if Drew’s mother killed Kathleen and Stacy?” What if she is a psycho-mama that never liked her son having women attention? (Hey! There are other psycho mom’s in this world. Want me to show you some links of cases in case “your head is in the sand?”) lol. Got it yet?

  255. its about the murder of a young woman who didnt deserve it, that means no one is off limits, what dont you understand about that???? everyone should be a suspect. in most homicides its almost always a family member, check the statistics.. if they had a family dog, i would not exclude that either. NOTHING OR ANYONE IS OFF LIMITS

  256. onlythe facts: you are not to judge what is or isnt allowed, thats one thing i do know, if nothing else.
    ***************************

    I’m free to post my opinion and my opinion is that one shouldn’t make up hypothetical scenario’s that involve the children as being an accomplice to a murder, or of committing a murder. Plain and simple. If you want to continue to post a hypothetical as that….I’m merely pointing out it is not good, will be misconstrued, will be manipulated, will be taken out of context and could also end up being the start of some malicious gossip. Is THAT worth it to those children? Hey…I’m not your mother……..you decide.

  257. lavandadolce, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:12 pm Said:

    My time stamp says 1:12 pm, my computer says 3:18 pm.

  258. i dont care, throw them all in the pot, moms, step-moms, brothers sisters fathers, whatever. now ya see lavanda, you just did to mothers what you say i did to children, didnt you? do not be so facetious.

  259. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:16 pm Said:
    its about the murder of a young woman who didnt deserve it,
    **********************************

    Onlythe facts…..your name REALLY doesn’t suit you. It’s not about the murder of a young woman…..It’s about the PROBABLE murder of a young woman.

  260. lavandadolce, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:18 pm Said:

    My time stamp says 1:12 pm, my computer says 3:18 pm.

  261. kathleen savio was murdered,wasnt she lavanda? oh, i guess you think this is only about stacy, oops, i forgot.

  262. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:20 pm Said:
    lavanda, fix your computer
    **********************

    LOL. So I’m supposed to change the entire eastern time zone? Or do you mean fix my time on this board? Doesn’t make a hill of beans of difference to me. I don’t care what time it says I’m on or off or when I made a post. I’m not being subpaenoed to have to verify my whereabouts.

  263. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:22 pm Said:
    kathleen savio was murdered,wasnt she lavanda? oh, i guess you think this is only about stacy, oops, i forgot.
    *******************************

    OOOPS. No I didn’t. But all of your ranting and raving is due to my saying it’s not kosher to make up scenario’s about the children and GJ appearance. Now are you going to tell me that you are thinking the children’s hypothetical conversation above was in reference to Kathleen? I was under the impression that our train of thought regarding the children appearing was specifically due in part to “what may transpire” on the day that Stacy disappeared.

    I’m very aware of Kathleen. So your ooops is nothing more than a sarcastic remark. Seems you thrive on that, eh?

  264. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:19 pm Said:
    now ya see lavanda, you just did to mothers what you say i did to children, didnt you?
    ******************************************

    Nope. Not even close.

  265. now its ranting and raving. dont confuse your train wreck with my train of thought. have a good day.

  266. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:28 pm Said:
    now its ranting and raving. dont confuse your train wreck with my train of thought. have a good day.
    ************************************

    And your “train of thought” can create much more harm than a train wreck.

  267. onlythefacts, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:31 pm Said:
    i said have a good day!
    ********************

    You too. Have a good day and take care.

  268. I wonder what LE will do next as far as bringing charges against DPeterson .

    Seems to me the “hearsay” conversation Speterson had with her minister was and is strictly dealing with KS’s cause of death. Thus, the exhumation of her body and following up on alibis, leads, witness statements, testimony at the inquest. So, when that’s completed, will that be the first charge? Wonder if they can see that through before they even bring a charge against him for SPeterson’s disappearance/presumed homicide?

    Or, do they do it the other way around? Bring him to trial for SPeterson’s disappearance/presumed homicide, see that through, and then, if they have sufficient evidence to charge him with her murder, bring that one to trial?

    Not to mention there’s a probate estate back open, and a possible wrongful death suit. Whew, lots going on.

  269. either one of the trials should bankrupt him. there can also be federal charges that could be brought.

  270. My guess is that Kathleen’s case will go to trial first, but of course I don’t know what facts LE has that we don’t know about. Personally, I think they won’t do anything with the SP case until all the GJ testimony has been heard.

  271. No, facsmiley, I don’t think so, just judging by how this Rezko trial was reported. The Tribune reporter had his constant updates posted on the Tribune website, usually every half hour to hour. Strictly done by what he saw and reported.

    We’ll never get to see Brodsky in action. Of course, I don’t think he’d be the one defending Dpeterson anyway, since it would be a death trial, and he’s not tried one.

  272. rescueapet, on May 4th, 2008 at 1:57 pm Said:
    And, what a disappointment, that Illinois does not allow cameras in the courtroom.

    The reason they do not allow cameras in the courtroom in Illinois is because they know it would be politicians in orange 24/7 on court tv.

  273. I wonder how Stacy’s relationship was with the Kris and Tom.

    I also wondered if she did leave prior to all of this would she have taken all the children or only the 2 younger ones.

  274. I hope it’s not too off-topic but a god Fugazi song is “Waiting Room”. I like to think of Drew sitting in prison and saying the lyrics.

  275. I think that since Stacy had only Drew’s belongings piled in the garage in anticipation of his getting out of the house, that she intended to keep all of her children with her.

  276. I’ve seen quite a few. If you look for a SP slide show or Google their names and hers you should turn some up.

  277. i meant stacy and the boys together? i havent seen a single one, just with the younger kids.

  278. Yeah – I just looked at some in a slideshow on this blog. There’s on where they are sitting on a couch looking at a picture album, at a family gamethering, etc. They ain’t hard to find.

  279. sorry, facsmiliey. are you talking about here? there are 29 pics and only one that i saw with lacey i think it is. you are talking about here, where it says photos?

  280. I think they were limiting the public exposure the children had; however, once Drew had them on television, it was a moot point.

  281. It’s kind of sad because while I was looking for those I came across pictures of Kathleen with the kids as well.
    Too depressing for a Sunday afternoon.

  282. Facs, you’re right about that. Too depressing for any afternoon … any morning … any evening.

  283. When Peterson was having a good day, that is, when the cameras were allowed in his house after he hired his pr guy, here’s a direct quote from him:

    Throughout the tour, Peterson complimented his wife. She was a great mother, he said, and a funny and caring wife.

    “It’s very lonely without her,” he said. “She created a real nice environment, home environment, for the kids and I.”

  284. It was also known that Stacy had a picture of Kathleen displayed for the older boys. I believe Greta’s blog has a picture “of the picture” that was displayed.

  285. I wonder if Drew’s antics in front of the camera are to keep everyone from focusing on something else he might be up to.

  286. Peterson, to my knowledge, has never said anything negative about her relationship with the kids, and, in fact, made comments that she made the kids’ birthdays and holidays nice for them.

    It’s her reputation as a woman and her commitment to their marriage that he drags through the mud.

  287. yes, noway, they are, IMO. They’re to counteract the impression he has given to people since this first started and he went on tv to say she was a depressive, had raging hormones, craved male attention, dressed provocatively when seeing her minister, and engaged in sending and receiving racy text messages to another. But, never did he say she was an unfit mother.

  288. Rescue…do you recall way back when Drew first appeared on television he made some kind of comment about how Stacy didn’t “keep house” like his mother did? He said it in a negative fashion….not positive. I recall either reading that somewhere, or hearing it early on.

  289. I do wonder whether Drew “sought female attention” while married to Stacy (prior to her disappearance).

    Since he admits to doing so in the past “after the marriages were over” it would not make sense for him to have done so in this case. He was happy. He thought Stacy was happy. He thought they had a good marriage.

  290. lavanda – yes, I remember a reference by him that he “expected” a well-kept house, as his mother did. I remember him saying when is father got up in the morning and went to the bathroom, the bed was made by the time he was done.

  291. yeah, and maybe there is a well-kept secret of a person who wants no part of this, yet was caught-up in the middle of it. Who knows who and what is out there. I don’t think there’s any questions there’s a whole lot of things pointing to DPeterson’s involvement in the disappearance of his present wife. Guess it’ll be up to the GJ to issue their indictment when all is said and done.

    But, once again, he’s got two matters going on, and I’m sure there’s the KS mess to sort out just as well.

  292. Especially, when there’s a couple of people that were on that coroner’s panel for KS that said they wish they had to do it over again, because there’s things that weren’t made available to them then that have come out since. Not that something new is coming out, but that it wasn’t made available to them officially at the time.

  293. I’d love there to be a witness who comes forward and explains everything … but don’t think we’ll be that lucky.

  294. I do think there is a good chance that DP will be charged with Kathleen’s murder. I think that they are waiting for the GJ to be finished in Stacy’s case before they go forward in that direction.

  295. I was struck that even during the “Day with Drew” walkthrough how he would point out decorating touches and veer between saying that she made things really special (each of the kids had a theme related to their tastes and hobbies) to sounding like he was irritated and bewildered by her spending money and time on it.

    It was as if, as much as he was trying to put on the guise of a grieving husband, he still couldn’t hide the resentment he needs to maintain internally in order to live with himself. I mean, if he really did kill her imagine what chaos it would create in your mind to be showing off all her caring maternal doings.

  296. From what I have come to learn about him by way of his public persona, he is definitely a very insecure guy. You’d have to be to follow around, log cell calls, use gps devices, and retrieve text messages from your wife.

    Resentment? Yeah, I think he resents the fact that this has blown up in his face. He’s got an unburied third wife’s autopsy to deal with now, that he thought was over and done, and he’s got a missing wife that just keeps haunting the crap out of him. Yeah, he’s got resentment. And he deserves every miserable minute of it. Fortunately for him, every minute that he’s alive is a minute more he can spend with his children, isn’t it? Kathleen and Stacy should be so lucky!!!!!

  297. My comment was not so much about Stacy but about Drew’s spin on her. He often seems conflicted about whether it would be a good move to trash her or praise her.

    Even when he’s on a “Stacy made everything special” theme, he can’t help but let his resentment creep in.

  298. rescueapet, on May 4th, 2008 at 6:07 pm Said:
    From what I have come to learn about him by way of his public persona, he is definitely a very insecure guy. You’d have to be to follow around, log cell calls, use gps devices, and retrieve text messages from your wife.
    *****************************

    Makes me wonder if he sent some of those racy text messages himself…ha! Maybe Stacy never sent a single one of em! Sort of to see if “stacy’s friend” would respond back in the same manner. With his controlling ways…I wouldn’t have put something like that past him.

  299. If anyone is still worried about the donations and why they are not non profit or charity group they can direct any concerns to Lisa Madigans e mail at the Illinois Attorney General web site. I have seen alot of people on this site worried about that. Hopefully the next event will have some class to it instead of sex toys and Drew bashing. It should be directed at Stacey only and let the dirt go by the way side for a change of pace.

  300. Well, it’s in the reports from early on that LE thinks he tried to implicate that Scott guy in this. First, by pinging cell phones in the area of his home, and by, most likely, sending LE to knock on his door, saying they exchanged “racy text messages.”

    Only, Scott came out of this landing on his two feet, and Peterson never surmised that his 23 year old wife would cause so a publicity stir. Puts him in the darn trick bag, huh?

  301. Okay, when I start worrying about the donations and the sex toys, I’ll be sure to do that. Thanks.

  302. lol, rescueapet. Where did the sex toys come from? That is one thing I know I didn’t see at the fundraiser!

  303. I wonder if the tone of Drews voice showed something else. I know during my divorce when I was still in my home I could not stand to look at everything we had done together. It made me sick to my stomach. The only person who knows how Drew feels is him, we cannot second guess anything on this.If he was cheerful & happy then people would of said something else.Its a no win situation.

  304. Heck if I know, but at least I know I can call Lisa Madigan’s office when I’ve had enough of it.

    Now, if we want to get back to an intelligent blog issue, I’m up for it. If we’re going to start with the petty other forum stuff and the name calling, then I hope someone lets me know.

  305. The sex toys were mentioned on this blog several times last month. I remember reading them.

  306. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Nevermind. I know now what that is about.
    For the record, there was a young lady who had her own website with Riske’ items and she wanted to have some kind of “sale” with some of the proceeds to go to the FSP fund. This was early on. She was actually a nice person…however, she was not given approval and either left the site, or was banned. I think she was just trying to contribute. Far as I know…a lot of people like to order those type of “discreet” items via the internet….her heart was in the right place, just the products she was selling was not something that someone would want to associate with for a Missing Person fundraiser.

  307. whitewitch07 – yeah, but he didn’t have to open his mouth or say a word. If he would have stayed in his Bolingbrook house and not started the fiasco, beginning with The Today Show, he wouldn’t have to change his personalities every other day to suit me, you or the rest of the world, would he?

  308. whitewitch07, on May 4th, 2008 at 6:23 pm Said:
    I wonder if the tone of Drews voice showed something else. I know during my divorce when I was still in my home I could not stand to look at everything we had done together. It made me sick to my stomach. The only person who knows how Drew feels is him, we cannot second guess anything on this.If he was cheerful & happy then people would of said something else.Its a no win situation.
    **************************

    In my opinion, he never should have done a house tour. I think it was a stupid thing to do when minor children still live in that home. Last thing I would want is some sicko to know the layout of my home…and my childrens rooms….especially since HE stated publicly he gets threats. That makes no sense. So in essence….it was all about DREW again. Not keeping the children in mind…..just about getting the media to portray him as some loving father

  309. He made the first move. He snowballed a local, Chicago Suburban missing wife case into a national phenomenon . He had a local lawyer, who told him to keep his mouth shut. Instead, he went on national tv, and had to “beg” for someone to take him on. Wah lah. Brodsky found him, he found Brodsky, whatever.

    So, DPeterson has no one to blame for his gutter image but himself. He threw the first pitch.

  310. Maybe doing the tour was not a good idea, and he does get threats, why I do not know. He is a good loving dad from what has been said, like Stacy nobody thought he was a bad dad. Those kids love him you can see it in the photos of them that were on here at one time. Hes probally very protective because he has to be, before this even happened.

  311. If I remember right at first he was avoiding everything trying to keep it low key, I think the press made it what it became.

  312. whitewitch07, on May 4th, 2008 at 6:33 pm Said:
    Maybe doing the tour was not a good idea, and he does get threats, why I do not know. He is a good loving dad from what has been said, like Stacy nobody thought he was a bad dad. Those kids love him you can see it in the photos of them that were on here at one time. Hes probally very protective because he has to be, before this even happened.
    ******************

    Well, all I gotta say is if he indeed killed both of his wives…..how can one be a good dad if he stripped away the mothers from his children?

  313. whitewitch07, on May 4th, 2008 at 6:35 pm Said:
    If I remember right at first he was avoiding everything trying to keep it low key, I think the press made it what it became.
    ********************************
    The press had nothing to do with his fiasco in the “Let’s Date Drew Peterson” contest. That was he and Brodsky’s brainstorm. YIKES!

  314. you know, whitewitch07, I can’t say what kind of a dad he was, of course. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. Maybe he is a wonderful dad. I can honestly say I have not seen ONE person get on tv, get quoted in the press, or write an article that says he was a great dad. Am I to make to make that assumption by seeing pics of him with his kids? No, I can’t.

    On the other hand, who’s to say that they didn’t live a miserable life? I lived a life like that with my father. I had no choice. I was a kid, with two other siblings, who lived with a man who was not a happy drunk, if you know what I mean. But my friends never knew that, because we didn’t talk about it. Of course, our relatives knew what kind of a person my father was.

    And that’s what you have coming out now. The people that were a part of DPeterson’s life are coming out of the woodwork. Not to say nice things about him, only how controlling he was, how abusive he was.

    So, knowing what I do about what it’s like to live with someone like that, I will have to reserve judgment on what kind of a father he was.

  315. Okay you have a point. I was raised with secrets too, and like most conselors will tell you secrets will kill. I just hope that those kids do not have to go thru alot more, its every where and its got to be painful.

  316. DPeterson made this national news when he went on The Today Show with Matt Lauer. Got on a plane and did everything he could to drag his wife’s reputation through the muck.

    That absolutely fits in with his theory. She left with another man, for a romp on a beach in her bikini. Of course, he’s not going to go on tv and say what a devoted, committed wife she was. Why? He would rather have people think she left because she was a 23 year old nitwit who didn’t give two hoots about the 4 kids she was raising.

    He’s a real piece of work.

  317. Well, you all take care…see you Thursday…won’t have too much access Mon-Wed as I will be out of town for work.

    G’nite

  318. When I was a young kid, I used to have severe nosebleeds. My mother was holding me one night, trying to stop one of them.

    My father came home from the bar, armed for bear. She stood up to him, as she always did. And then, as he was so good at doing, he reached over me, while my mother was holding me, to hit her in her face.

    Did I ever tell anyone? No. Not my best friend, no one. What could I do? Where could I go? If my mother stayed with him, what was I to do? Run away? Or survive as best I could?

    What does any child do in this situation? You tell me?

  319. With the perspective that maturity gives, probably his adult children would best be able to tell us what kind of a dad Drew Peterson is. One of them appears to be loyal, the other stopped speaking to him shortly after Kathleen died. We’re free to draw our own conclusions from this.

  320. “(Anthony) Cales said he has taken six months off work to look for his daughter”gatehousechicago

    Did Anthony Cales attend any of the searches for his daughter? I never heard of him attending searches.

  321. Yes we should be concerned. If the search is “on the internet” then why do they need GPS units?
    Is it true daddy Cales wants to relocate to California?

  322. Personally and regarding the case, I can’t imagine how this would have any significance whatsoever.

    Now, if it was your hobby to bait and goad people anonymously on an Internet forum for your own twisted satisfaction, then it might be important to you.

  323. Yeah, that’s kinda what I was thinking. Baiting and goading and twisted. All in fun, at the expense of two dead women.

    But, I guess whatever floats your boat.

  324. Brodsky has stated that Drew’s camp is searching exclusively via Internet. Since you question the legitimacy of Anthony Cale’s work absence in order to search for his daughter, I suggested that perhaps he was searching by Internet, as her husband is doing.

    Certainly the on-ground search groups (completely unrelated to any issue regarding Mr. Cales) could make use of GPS units, don’t you think?

    Please don’t be offended by my question but…are you drunk?

  325. Excuse me as of today there is only one dead woman in this story.
    Why do you ENJOY so much saying that Sp is dead?
    Do you have a fascination with death, or you think it will “milk” more money if you tell people she’s DEAD!
    Sounds horrible especially that we don’t know for sure her status. Yuck

  326. Grade Report for trollling attempts in the last hour.

    #1 – D
    #2 – F
    #3 – D –

    Nighty night.

  327. fascinatingtermsofdeservice, on May 5th, 2008 at 12:34 am Said:
    Excuse me as of today there is only one dead woman in this story.
    Why do you ENJOY so much saying that Sp is dead?
    Do you have a fascination with death, or you think it will “milk” more money if you tell people she’s DEAD!
    Sounds horrible especially that we don’t know for sure her status. Yuck

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    I just love the court of Public Opinion! Truly!

    Just wanted to mention that the investigators have said they don’t believe that Stacy Peterson left on her own accord, and that they have discarded the idea that there was ever a man that she ran off with.

    It would be great if Stacy were alive, but then Drew’s butt would still be in a sling…. wouldn’t it?

    They’d be asking her about Drew’s involvement in Kathleen Savio’s death.

    Hmmmmmm? Stacy told Pastor Schori about the murder in August, I believe…. then she goes missing the next month…. Gosh I hope she didn’t threaten him with the Savio stuff during a fight.

    http://www.jurorthirteen.com

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