Your Thread – June 2

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495 thoughts on “Your Thread – June 2

  1. Good morning Bunny!

    I’ve uploaded two threads of pictures to my forum. One thread is pictures of Drew Peterson in chronological order from November 1, 2007 to present. The second thread is pictures of those who are involved in the Peterson case. Here’s the link (be sure to close the gap in the http):

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    This is the main index. Click on Criminal Case Discussion and there’s two threads of pictures.

  2. scott15 // June 1, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    I was just rereading the interview where Drew let them into their house and this part I missed originally.
    Drew “I’ve got to get away from this environment and the kids (have) got to get away from this environment,” he said. The problem is that the house is in his wife’s name. To sell it, he needs his wife’s signature or a court order.

    I never realized the house was in Stacy’s name.
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    Scott, the house is in both of their names. One cannot sell it without the signature and permission of the other. Until she is legally declared “dead”…then it remains as both their property and cannot be sold. Thus, it won’t be long Drew will be singing the “maybe she is dead by whomever she ran off with”…so that he can file papers to declare her dead and the house be sold. What a riot it would be if the judge said “sorry Drew. You stated she ran off. Let’s give her 7 years to come back before we declare her dead.” lol

  3. Actually, Scott…I take that back. If they don’t declare her dead…they won’t be able to do a trial. Scratch my thoughts off above…duhh me. Monday morning. lol

  4. Molly, great job with the pictures! Thanks for doing that for everyone.

    Lavanda, that would throw a wrench in his plans for sure!

  5. Thanks, Molly. Getting ready to leave for some client visits, but will get to your place later. thanks for the link and have a great day. 🙂

  6. Good morning all 😀

    molly, great job…..makes it nice to be able to see the pics chronologically.

  7. Does anyone know if they really have to wait 7 years to declare her dead?

    I don’t think that is true, although it is what I had believed up until they declared Steve Fossett dead … but maybe it was the circumstances in which he went missing?

  8. Hi kids

    Yes, thank you Molly for doing the picture posting. I still cringe when I see him hugging those girls. You just want to rescue them. Hey Rescue, is there a stupid girl shelter we can get these girls fostered out and helped?

  9. Seven years is simply the line in Illinois after which the basic presumption changes,” said Floyd Perkins, a former Illinois assistant attorney general who worked the estate angle in the case of candy heiress Helen Brach, who disappeared in 1977. “Before seven years, anyone who wants you declared legally dead has to offer evidence that you’re not alive. But after you’ve been missing seven years, anyone who wants you declared alive has to offer evidence that you’re not dead.”

  10. And when someone is last seen in a moment of great peril—in a flood or fire, say—or, as in the Fossett case, headed off into potential danger, the chance that he or she has met an untimely end is far greater than in the case of a simple here-today, gone-tomorrow disappearance.

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    This text and my post above are all from the link above.

  11. Here’s some insight into Illinois law for declaring one dead. From the Trib, http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/11/missingdead.html

    “Seven years is simply the line in Illinois after which the basic presumption changes,” said Floyd Perkins, a former Illinois assistant attorney general who worked the estate angle in the case of candy heiress Helen Brach, who disappeared in 1977. “Before seven years, anyone who wants you declared legally dead has to offer evidence that you’re not alive. But after you’ve been missing seven years, anyone who wants you declared alive has to offer evidence that you’re not dead.”

    So the obvious one to declare her dead would be Drew, but that would mess up his defense. So maybe Cass could?

  12. This article discusses the subject:

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  13. I’m originally from Dallas…..love Lafayette though……awesome food here and lord knows they love any reason to party here 😀

  14. g8tr, you’re in Lafayette, LA? My brother used to live there. Oil company employee. Ooh … that’s probably not a good thing these days!

  15. So how would you prove she’s dead without the body? There is no evidence she’s dead, and a case could be made for her to just be missing. But then DP couldn’t make any moves as far as selling the house, moving to AZ and opening a biz.

    I bet this was not thought through very well by murderer. But you can bet that the LE is sitting on the GJ as long as they can, hoping a body will surface. I can understand why ISP might not have funds to search, but what about Will Cty, or would they have to give equal time to Lisa Stebic and the others?

  16. noway…yes in Laf, LA…..oil industry is major here…..interestingly enough, Lafayette economy is still booming for now anyway.

  17. Noway, actually its my niece that lives there, and her husband is an oil employee. Gone out to the rigs, and now Tx again weeks at a time.

    Where does g8ter live? Did you say gater? I actually have a gater head my mom got me from there. Do you know of TabBenoit (blues singer) gater? OOOh, so nice.

  18. So unless Drew wants to reveal some evidence that would indicate Stacy is dead (which would be pretty sttupid since he’s the still the only suspect), he can look forward to 6.5 more years of legal complications due to having a missing, assumed-alive spouse.

  19. I guess you did say “here” so cool you’re by my niece. After Katrina she said people were walking all the way to Laf from the bayou. Changed her life. She was a bit self centered etc (as most 20somethings are) and that really woke her up.

  20. liz, i know of him but have never seen him perform……he sure is handsome.

    There’s a beautiful little lake we fish at frequently (your niece’s husband may know of it) called Lake Martin…..omg…..i cannot believe the size of some of the gators we see in there….scary….we have a fairly good size bass boat but i’m always so scared i might accidentally fall out…..those gators could swallow an adult easy.

  21. Wow G8trgirl, that is just crazy. In illinois we just have to worry about Asian Carp knocking out the boat driver when they try to jump in the boat!

    Tab is Good. see him if you can.

  22. If Cass went to court, she would at least have the bias, as the state has said she did not go missing on her own accord.

  23. Between hurricane Katrina & Rita (within a couple of weeks of each other) it is estimated 30,000 evacuees decided to permanently stay in the Lafayette area. It was an unbelievable mess & mass confusion at the time…..the whole town was gridlocked due to the influx of evacuees & emergency personnel that had based out of here. On top of that….my hubby’s cousin was the governor at that time and as everyone knows…..she took some serious heat for the way everything was handled…….i felt sorry for her cause she’s a wonderful person.

  24. I meant Tab is AWESOME, see him when you can. We lost our blues club in St Charles (ILL) and haven’t seen him since. Thanks Enron (they closed down the Arthur Anderson Accounting in STChas) for taking away our downtown business.

  25. No, that woman was coming into a mess that goes back to the 40’s in LA politics. Just like the Tx lady gov was not, your hubs cousin was not taken seriously either. They don’t want to listen to a woman and then make her the scapegoat. What about the mayor?? He’s the questionable one.

  26. liz…..you need to come visit your niece…..don’t know if they go out much but the music here is fabulous and it seems like they have a festival every other week somewhere.

  27. Yeah….i was surprised when she even got elected cause Louisiana ain’t nuttin but the good ole boys politics.

    I’m glad she didn’t run again…..she was burning rubber out of the Gov Mansion driveway on her last day (j/k but you know what i mean) 😉

  28. I need to learn a few recipes, for sure. My brother has in laws down there and make an excellent gumbo, and my hubs used to travel to gulfport a lot and brought home some good seasonings for bayou boils. It’s the etoufee I need to learn. Yum.

  29. lol … there were no posts and then suddenly WHAM!

    Well, Drew might agree that Stacy must be dead by now since she hasn’t contacted family or friends …

  30. lizanne61 // June 2, 2008 at 11:05 am

    facs- Do you think that Cass could win declaring Stacy dead?
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    I’m not sure she would want to at this point. I guess she’d want to talk to a lwyer and see if it would have any impact on the investigation. If it doesn’t affect the investigation one way or another, it might be better to leave her status assumed alive, so as to hamper Drew’s single lifestyle as much as possible, as well as keeping him from taking sole ownership of any shared assets.

  31. Not sure. But she is an immediate relative, so she was able to file the missing person report. In the St Charles case of John Spira, it was required that his almost ex file the report. I dont’ know who would do the death request, but I woule imagine that Drew had insurance on her that cannot be claimed until a death declaration is approved. The other thing a claim can cause is an insurance investigation into the death. Whether spouse is entitled or the cause is the purpose.

  32. But if Cass is going to say Stacy is dead, I think that’s going to be followed by “and Drew murdered her.”

    I was just thinking about Stacy being declared dead so Drew could “move on with this life” …

  33. The question about life insurance was asked (Did Stacy have a life insurance policy and was Drew the beneficiary) but I don’t think Joel answered it.

    I don’t think Stacy being alive hampered Drew’s social life … her being presumed dead sure has not.

    I read an article by Rebekkah Price (sp?) and she comments that Drew has had 4 or 5 girlfriends since Stacy dispappeared …

  34. All he has to do is post announcements in local newspapers (not sure how many or how long but I bet they’re in there soon) and after one year, charge her with abandonment.

    Maybe the abandonment charge comes first and the posting announcements after that.

    But I think charges will be filed and arrest made before then.

    What does anyone know about the GJ? Gatehouse?

  35. I’ve been feeling like an arrest is coming soon too. I found it interesting the comment KM made to reporters (that’s assuming she’s telling the truth) that LE told her they’re 100% sure he killed Stacy and his family thinks so too……love to know which members of his family think that. I just thought it was very telling…..100% versus say we’re fairly sure. Tells me they must have some pretty hefty evidence.

  36. I think that is pretty much on target,

    “I was just thinking about Stacy being declared dead so Drew could “move on with this life” …

    He cannot go long without a chic in his life. and the younger the better it seems. so glad I have 4 boys and don’t have to protect the girls from him. Altho I do have 18 beautiful nieces to warn.

  37. Seems like the GJ is getting close to wrapping up their investigation….who else could be left to call other than DP’s two teenage sons.

  38. This has probably been discussed at length already but, if they would charge him first in Stacy’s death….could the information about Kathleen’s death be brought into that trial?

  39. From what I’ve heard, it is most likely that the Kathleen charge would be made first. And then maybe bring that into the Stacy trial.

  40. It’s got to be steamin in LA gatergirl!

    My son is in Georgia (at school) quite a few miles east on rt 10 past atlanta in savannah and he has been hitting the Tybee Island beach most days already. How do you manage?

  41. liz, looks like Lafayette is in the low 90s . . . I have to say that as much as I whine about the weather, I’d rather have my mid 60s for now. 🙂

  42. About Kim M. … I thought that it might have been Joel who notified the press about Drew rescuing her (that’s just the kind of guy he is).

    But now I doubt that. He would have known that she would scrutinized carefully … when he met her … etc.

    There is a reason that information came out … but I don’t think Joel or Drew had anything to do with it.

  43. liz……..it is getting miserable here, the humidity is stifling. The water in my pool was 82 degrees at 6 o’clock this morning!! Another couple of weeks and the pool is gonna be more like a dang sauna…..rofl.

    We keep threatening to move to the Calif coast….weather is awesome but real estate is insanely pricey plus i’m a little leary of the earthquakes & fires.

  44. I suppose LA in the summer is like Chicago in the winter…….you just run from the car to the a/c instead of the heater.

  45. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 11:18 am

    The question about life insurance was asked (Did Stacy have a life insurance policy and was Drew the beneficiary) but I don’t think Joel answered it.

    I don’t think Stacy being alive hampered Drew’s social life … her being presumed dead sure has not.

    I read an article by Rebekkah Price (sp?) and she comments that Drew has had 4 or 5 girlfriends since Stacy dispappeared …
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    When I was organizing pictures of Drew in chronological order, I realized that he only waited two or three months after Stacy disappeared before he was on the prowl for a girlfriend.

    We know about Denise Werner, the lady with the 17-year-old daughter, who was dating Drew in February. I think he was probably seeing Kim in February too.

    Drew had a beard on February 28th when he did an interview, and by March 8th that beard was gone. So he shaved the beard off sometime in that 8-day period.

    Yet, we have a picture of Drew with Kim, and in that picture Drew has a beard. So I think he met and started dating Kim in February.

    If it hadn’t been for the news media camped out in Drew’s front yard, I really think he would have been on the prowl a lot sooner.

  46. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 11:27 am

    I’ve been feeling like an arrest is coming soon too. I found it interesting the comment KM made to reporters (that’s assuming she’s telling the truth) that LE told her they’re 100% sure he killed Stacy and his family thinks so too……love to know which members of his family think that. I just thought it was very telling…..100% versus say we’re fairly sure. Tells me they must have some pretty hefty evidence.

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    I think an arrest is coming soon too.

    As for the statements made by Kim – that they (LE) is 100% sure that Drew killed Stacy and that his family thinks so too – I note that we haven’t heard anything from members of Drew’s immediate family.

    In the beginning, Drew’s brother, Paul Peterson, was there at the Peterson house on a fairly consistent basis. Drew’s mother, Betty Morphey, was interviewed and was very defensive of her son.

    But, we haven’t seen any of Drew’s family there with him in support of him.

    We do know that Drew’s mother and step-father testified before the GJ. At that time Drew made a tacky statement that his mother has alzheimers, questioning why the GJ would interview her. I think this indicates there might have been some sort of falling out with the family.

    Maybe Tom Morphey talked to his father (husband of Drew’s mother) and told him what he knew?

  47. It would be fantastic if he was already seeing someone else before Stacy disappeared. If the ISP could identify her and question her, just imagine what she might be able to tell them.

    Purely hypothetical and wishful thinking on my part, but what if?

  48. looks like the cales like weapons also! is this a glock or an urban assualt rife. whatever it is they sure are smiling like it makes them happy. trigger happy maybe one of them fired the shot throught the floor trying to hit drew.
    Wouldn’t Yelton be in violation of parole having that in his hands?
    and the drama continues!

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  49. The question on SYM about whether Stacy had life insurance was mine. Joel answered that she did but that the children were the benficiaries.

  50. Afternoon –

    Holy moly that looks like a scary gun.

    Kinda of an odd picture if you ask me.

  51. lettruh yes it does look scary and a very odd picture. but it looks like a happy time for the three!!

  52. I can tell you that if those were my grandchildren; wild horses couldn’t keep me away from making sure they were safe and healthy. If a mother and her son have a loving relationship, wouldn’t you think that she would be helping? I realize that she has been diagnosed with Alzheimer’s Disease, but I wonder what stage she is in? She was permitted to testify at the GJ, so she must be fairly ok as far as alert and aware.

  53. What’s the little plastic bottle thingy in there?

    Too bad Yelton is such an f’d up dude. He’s cute (excluding the Yosemitie Sam tattoo).

  54. Yeah his prison picture isn’t so becoming, then again not many are.

    I hear you Facs about him being cute in the pic.

  55. yuck on yelton.

    I can’t tell why type of gun it is paintballs normally have a tube on them don’t they?

  56. open tool box with a gun laying on it??

    or gun case with gun laying on it! yelton sure has his hand on the grip.

  57. I can see gold at the end of the barrel.

    Facs there is a gun in that pic just don’t know what kind.

  58. It is weird that his hand is grabbing whatever it is. But I can’t make out what he’s got a hold of.

  59. morecurious // June 2, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    The question on SYM about whether Stacy had life insurance was mine. Joel answered that she did but that the children were the benficiaries.
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    Thanks! I had forgotten there were questions in the first thread and that the 10 for JB was created later.

  60. lol yep Facs they sure are happy! looks like the pic is from 2005.
    if that is what they use for tatoo’s yikes I know I will NEVER have a tatoo!!

  61. I think that’s what it is. Look at the metallic thingy in the pic – it’s like the green things here:

  62. nah facs I can clearly see the outline of a gun and the handle in Yeltons hand.
    not tatoo needles.

  63. facsmiley // June 2, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    I think I might have it. Is it Yelton’s tattooing kit? Ink, needles and shit?
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    That’s a possibility. They look too relaxed IMO for it to be a gun.

  64. they sure do look alot alike fungatzi. I remember early on some of the media reports had cassandra as stacy’s half/step sister do they have different fathers?

  65. Facs…………….knowing Drew’s track record in regards to having a monogamous relationship with his wife of the moment, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that he was having affairs during his marriage to Stacy.

    I think this would be especially true if the marriage was falling apart. We’ve got Drew’s statement that Stacy changed after the death of her sister, Tina, a year prior to Stacy’s disappearance, and we know that Stacy had an appointment with an attorney scheduled for October 29th, to start divorce proceedings.

    So I wouldn’t be surprised at all to learn that Drew had a girlfriend or girlfriends during that last year.

    I wonder if that’s one of Drew’s guns and whoever took the picture (Drew?) had them pose with it? There’s another picture I’ve seen of Stacy and Cassandra posing with one of Drew’s guns. It would be interesting to compare the two pictures to see if they were taken at the same time.

  66. lol drew had them pose with it? is only drew responsible, I mean come on these are adults they don’t look forced in this picture.
    next I’ll hear how it’s drew’s fault yelton was messing around with jail bait.

  67. this looks nothing like a tat tool Facs. no handle grip and there is a handle grip like a gun in this pic.

  68. she does always look sad Fac even in pics when she was younger. but looking at the life she had growing up I can see why she’s said.

  69. I’m curious to see where Yelton goes when he gets out. It seems like Stacy was the caretaker…think Sharon will put him up? 😉

  70. I don’t know where it came from I was googling images of stacy,cassandra and yelton and this popped up. I have not seen it before.

  71. Noway, they have the picture on the FSP board, under video’s. I think its videos that people have made for the cause.

  72. If it came from FSP then I very much doubt it would be a gun in his hand.

    If it is actually a gun, I would hope they would have done a better job on selecting the photos for public view, and either not used the pic or cropped the bottom part out.

    I think the point was to show the three of them smiling and happy.

    :DIMO

  73. where is this other pic with stacy and cassandra with drew’s gun? I’d like to see that.
    doesn’t seem like stacy was afraid of guns like sharon tried to say.
    does seem like she like them to pose for pics with them.

  74. freedom – Brodsky mentioned having the pic of the girls in bikinis posing with Drew’s guns in his ‘files’. I don’t know if it’s ever been released.

  75. Stacy had a FOID card so I don’t think she was scared of guns. I don’t think she was killed by a gun either.

  76. Off Topic: I was just outside moving construction materials out to the curb to be hauled away. Good Lord, we might as well be living in Louisiana for how humid it is!

  77. facsmiley // June 2, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    freedom – Brodsky mentioned having the pic of the girls in bikinis posing with Drew’s guns in his ‘files’. I don’t know if it’s ever been released.

    OMG and he hasn’t released it? then he’s not playing dirty yet!

  78. facsmiley // June 2, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    freedom – Brodsky mentioned having the pic of the girls in bikinis posing with Drew’s guns in his ‘files’. I don’t know if it’s ever been released.
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    Facs, what I read on SYM was that the girls were dressed in Drw’s SWAT clothes. Haven’t heard anything about bikinis, but that could be true too I suppose.

  79. what would that prove in trail that they liked guns? makes no sense! but who knows with JB.

    I love it “DIMO”

  80. freedom – I think he may be thinking about how it reflects on his client, since it’s Drew’s guns and Drew took the photo. If it shows any of his service weapons, it might not look good for anyone involved.

    But then, I haven’t seen the pictures.

  81. They were NOT scared of guns.

    With all the guns I have been around in my life, there is NOT one picture of me with a gun.

    Sharon is full of BS if she says Stacy was scared of guns.

  82. Freedom….wouldnt that be interesting to see.

    I’m sure he has something up his sleeve that he hasnt shared with the world.

  83. cfs, it would make sense for him to have that kind of stuff. I’m sure Drew has turned many things over to him.

    If it wasnt in the search warrent then Drew could do with them as he pleases.

  84. Well, you wouldn’t see me smiling along with them if I was in the picture. I am afraid of guns.

    I just can’t believe that FSP would choose that picture and not realize what impression it would give, so I’m going to go with tattoo equipment. I’m not afraid of tattoo equipment.

  85. letthetruthbefree // June 2, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Facs, its so nasty outside, I finally turned the air on today for the first time.
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    I’m waiting for my kids to ask me to turn on the AC but I’m dreading it. It was jerry-rigged and only works about 50% of the time. I think we spent most of last summer running from vent to vent saying “Do you feel it?” “I feel it now. Oh it’s on…no it’s not. Is this cold or does it just feel cold?”

  86. I agree that if they posted the pic at FSP it probably isn’t a gun. Not that I’d want Yelton sticking any needles in me either.

  87. Let, since Drew is/was a moonlighting photographer, there’s no telling what kind of pictures he gave Brodsky, or what Brodsky will use them for.

  88. Facs…it just kills me to turn it on, not that I dont love it, but it seems the time from when we cant have the windows open in the winter, to the time we cant have them open in the summer is so short.

    But this week is suppose to be pretty humid and nasty, so I finally did it.

    I’ve done that with mine running around from vent to vent. Im a HUGE baby in the heat, and if I dont think its working at 150 % Im getting a repairman out here ASAP….lol.

  89. cfs, never heard of someone being accidently tattooed.

    But if someone has heard of that, let me know. May change my mind about the tattoo equipment! 🙂

    My brother got a tattoo when he’d been drinking, but I think that was a TUI, not accidental tattooing.

  90. I wouldn’t let Yelton near me for anything in the world. But then again, I wouldnt allow 3/4 of these characters near me.

  91. Hmm … iknoweverythinglol … that is interesting. Randy is a friend of Stephen’s? I was reading posts (old) on WebSleuth from him (Mucha).

  92. iknoweverythinglol // June 2, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Seems like he was fighting in court to get them back.
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    Your kidding. Wonder why they were on his computer, do you know?

  93. Ok, Randy did have pics of his fiance wearing part of his uniform and was trying to get them back. Brodsky did say Drew had the pics of Stacy and Cass.

  94. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    The more I think of an accidental tattooing, the harder I laugh.
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    You deserve the blue ribbon again today for that one.

  95. cfs … good question. Maybe Drew sent the pics to Stephen and Stephen shared them with Randy?

    I just mean as fun … not “keep these I might need them some day.”

  96. Maybe it is a common cop thing to do, and you only find out when their computers get seized.

  97. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    cfs … good question. Maybe Drew sent the pics to Stephen and Stephen shared them with Randy?

    I just mean as fun … not “keep these I might need them some day.”
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    Yuk. I hope not. I can’t imagine a father sending pictures like that to his son.

  98. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    cfs … good question. Maybe Drew sent the pics to Stephen and Stephen shared them with Randy?

    I just mean as fun … not “keep these I might need them some day.”
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    Yuk. I hope not. I can’t imagine a father sending pictures like that to his son.
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    I could be totally wrong about the bikinis – it may very well have been swat uniforms. Like I say, I didn’t see them.

  99. facsmiley // June 2, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    My ex was accidentally tattooed when he stabbed himself with a ball-point pen. Does that count?
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    Were you two fighting over the pen?

  100. Well, to me it didn’t look at all like a gun in the picture. I looked like more a tool kit of some kind. I enlarged it and there is nothing gold on a barrel. That’s a separate piece not connected to anything.

  101. This is the quote from LeBrodsque:

    “I have seen (and have in my very large file) alot of pictures of Stacy and Drew on vacation and some pictures of Stacy and Casandra posing for pictures with Drew’s swat outfit and AR-15. There are some levels of nudity in these pictures, but nothing obscene or exposing of “private” parts. “

  102. Sorry, cfs … should have been addressed to both of you. Typing in a hurry … have to run out soon.

  103. Before I forget……in case molly comes on and i’m not around…..would y’all tell her that KM’s last name is Matuska……she typed Masurka under the pics she posted on her site.

  104. Facs, that post I told you about on SYM is gone. Wanted to read the whole thread, but the post to link it to must have been deleted by you know who.

  105. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    facsmiley // June 2, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    My ex was accidentally tattooed when he stabbed himself with a ball-point pen. Does that count?
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    Were you two fighting over the pen?
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    He…he fell down the stairs! Hahahhahahah.

    Actually, it was before I met him. He has a purple dot on the inside of his elbow.

  106. facs … the purple dot is still there?

    Okay … accidental tattoings do take place. At least one anyway.

    😀

  107. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Facs, that post I told you about on SYM is gone.
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    Thanks for letting me know. I guess that’s a good thing. Not a good idea to let people plaguerize on your board. 😉

  108. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Any idea when the pix of Stacy and Cass in SWAT gear with the AR-15 was taken?
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    I think what Brodsky said at SYM is the only reference to the pictures.

  109. I imagine all the family photos being taken into court on June 30 … family barbecue … Christmas … anything with the weapon there!

  110. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Any idea when the pix of Stacy and Cass in SWAT gear with the AR-15 was taken?
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    Sometime within the past four years?

  111. I assume since they were only married four years, but I guess it could have been taken in the two years prior. Don’t know.

  112. When I looked at the pictures on Molly’s site, the one of Drew when he was young doesn’t look at all like he does now. Although, I can see resemblances in his two older boys by Kathleen to that picture. I had seen that picture previously, but didn’t think the boys looked like him at all until that picture was posted.

  113. Facs, I was talking about the post that was trying to hunt you down. He wanted to know if anybody knew the name you were posting under. I’m sure it was because of your post with all the spelling boo boos. But you know? Truth is truth. You were lying about anything at all!

  114. Oh cfs! I missed your post about that. I got the PM myself and wondered if I should turn myself in. Then I realized there was no reward involved so…nahhh.

  115. Anyone with info regarding who is Feisty, Facsmiley, and Anonymous is on my board Please reply by PM with info .

    Thank you
    BigM

  116. I don’t guess molly would let facs post the spelling boo boos at her site huh? Maybe start a humor thread……..lol. Big would be furious then.

  117. No. It was a pretty low blow, I’ll admit that- but I stand by it.

    He came out with what I thought was an outlandish assertion and I discounted it on the basis of not only his ignorance of the written language but some other biases as well.

    I had my say and backed it up, but I’m not interested in making him a figure of fun beyond that. The man has a right to his opinions.

  118. Was reading over there earlier. Discussion has been much the same as here….pictures, supposed gun in picture, Am Chronicle article, etc. Spelling is better here. Attitude too.

  119. iknoweverythinglol // June 2, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Anyone with info regarding who is Feisty, Facsmiley, and Anonymous is on my board Please reply by PM with info .
    Thank you
    BigM
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Why keep this issue alive??

  120. I just thought someone might know what his intrest was in these people. I know Feisty posted his name.

  121. Well, thanks to Amanda, I know that the picture was from December 25, 2003, which was the first year Drew and Stacy were married.

  122. I don’t really follow b-ball too much….my neighbor plays for Cinn Reds and I watch him play every now and then but that’s about it.

  123. G8trgirl – I’m not into B-ball but my bf writes about it for a living. What’s your neighbor’s name?

  124. (quote)

    facsmiley // June 2, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    What’s the little plastic bottle thingy in there?

    Too bad Yelton is such an f’d up dude. He’s cute (excluding the Yosemitie Sam tattoo).

    (quote)

    Yeah, I hope alot of dudes in prison thought he was “cute”, too. He is a SEXUAL PREDATOR! I hope he was treated well in prison. I have absolutle ZERO tolerance or acceptance of SEXUAL PREDATORS.

  125. g8trgirl, I am not sure how she knew. She posted in on SYM, and I’m reading there too (and posting).

    Makes me doubly ignorant! 😀

  126. bbismytown // June 2, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Yeah, I hope alot of dudes in prison thought he was “cute”, too. He is a SEXUAL PREDATOR! I hope he was treated well in prison. I have absolutle ZERO tolerance or acceptance of SEXUAL PREDATORS.
    **********************************

    That’s cool. Doesn’t take away from the fact the Yelton is cute in the photo.

  127. Oh, sorry. I’m making fun of myself. But I don’t want to start anything. So pretend I just stopped at (and posting).

  128. facsmiley // June 2, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    G8trgirl – the date is printed at the bottom right of the photo, in red.
    _____________
    That’s funny. On my laptop, I can’t see that. On this one I can.

    lol … I was amazed at Amanda and her research capability! Well, I still am, but not with this picture.

  129. facsmiley // June 2, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    G8trgirl – the date is printed at the bottom right of the photo, in red.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    dang….and here i’m thinking she’s got some inside scoop….roflmao…..pass me the Ding Dong of the Day Ribbon 😀

  130. G8trgirl and noway – it is hard to see the digits in that photo, but if you go to FSP and look at other photos taken the same day (cass and stacy in red shirts) it’s easier to read in some of them.

  131. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Before I forget……in case molly comes on and i’m not around…..would y’all tell her that KM’s last name is Matuska……she typed Masurka under the pics she posted on her site.
    **************************

    Thanks g8trgirl………..will correct that right away.

  132. GG, my BF says Paul Bako is a “grinder” and “Ya gotta love your grinders”. ‘

    I have no idea what this means.

  133. If that picture was from the first year they were married, it seems a bit odd, Stacy has had all her “work” done by then?

  134. lol………when he gets back home I’m gonna start calling him the grinder……..i have no idea what that means either……hope it’s not bad, he might slap me 😀

  135. BB, and just think he could be coming to a town near you soon….As in Friday, prison release date.

  136. Well if you look at the pictures of when they were married, and what she looks like in this picture, its different.

  137. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    I don’t guess molly would let facs post the spelling boo boos at her site huh? Maybe start a humor thread……..lol. Big would be furious then.
    ****************************

    You guys are welcome to posting at my forum. Spelling errors would be a funny thread. 🙂

    My forum is open to the public, but you have to be a member of Yuku (who hosts my forum) to post. Membership is free, just choose a username and password.
    Here’s the link for joining Yuku:

    h
    ttp://www.yuku.com/homepage/faq/

    Go down to where it says “Is Yuku Free?” and click on “sign up.”

  138. why in the world does bigm want my name? he put his name on annies forum not me.i just answered a question someone asked.

  139. Thanks for that info molly. I think it would be funny too….although it’s up to facs if she wants to post her list…i hate to say to much about it since it upset someone here earlier.

  140. Fiesty, come on now, you know you shouldn’t put people real names out there….if he wanted to answer the question that’s one thing, it’s not your place to name him.

  141. feistygurl // June 2, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    why in the world does bigm want my name? he put his name on annies forum not me.i just answered a question someone asked.

    HUH??

  142. excuse me he must have wanted it out there it was on his avatar for months. surely im not the only one with a good memory. if he didnt want it out there he never would have had it right? im gonna post my name here but dont ya all tell. right. i think he is just tore up over the nard thingy

  143. I dont know what nard thingy is.

    I just think its not my place to put anyone real name out there….but maybe that is just me.

  144. he made it publuic knowledge not me . so obviously a few months ago he didnt care. now he does? he should have warned people. if it had been out there by HIM i never would have. didnt think it would cause a problem

  145. I never really paid any attention to the information about Yelton…..was more interested in Stacy but, I just went to the Illinois Sex Offender website…….I had no idea he was in prison for sexual abuse of a minor….he looks a little rough in that picture they have posted of him.

  146. It was mixed feisty……..it doesn’t really look like a gun to me but my vision isn’t the greatest in the world.

  147. I was just thinking……Tom Morphey has got to be ready to come out of hiding…..you think? They’ve had him tucked away for a while now. Do you think any of his family has been able to see him or talk to him at all?

  148. G8, go look at his prison information on the State of Illinois Inmate Locator. He has other charges then just that.

  149. G8….I don’t believe he is in State protection, that to me is a rumor. His family was posting on his behalf on some forum not too long ago.

    If anything, I think the family has him somewhere. The State isn’t going to pay those expenses, for someone that might or might not be telling the truth.

  150. Been reading for a few days…good digging on the KM facet of the case. Just wanted to chime in on the photo under discussion here. Without having read further into the posts I could tell it was a black plastic case with a handle at top, and definitely not a gun. Then i saw the apparatus inside and knew it wasa tattoo kit. It looks like it was given as a gift, b-day perhaps, hence the photo. Most likely Stacy and Cass gifted it to Yelton. No harm in that, eh.

  151. Was just on E-Bay and the today show hat that was signed by drew peterson and taken down before by E-Bay is back up and going for $1,000.00 yet again … All i can say is Oh My God !!!!

  152. I wonder who in their family has the money to support him. It’s a good idea no matter who’s footing the bill…..keeps him away from DP and the journalists. Then again, I find it rather telling that he has to be in hiding at all……is the truth such that his life is truly in danger? Is it possible he knows more about Drew’s life than we realize and possibly it’s not good stuff? Maybe not only Drew but his friends/assoc too.

  153. Try this lug…..dunno if it’s gonna work:

    ht
    tp://www.isp.state.il.us/sor/offenderdetails.cfm
    ?SORID=E04A9234&CFID=9687164&CFTOKEN
    =17357935&jsessionid=b030a4f2a734$E4$5B$F

  154. Lug.

    State of Illinois Inmate Locator.

    Type in Cales and he his name will show up and just highlight it, hit enter, and there it all is.

  155. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Try this lug…..dunno if it’s gonna work:

    ht
    tp://www.isp.state.il.us/sor/offenderdetails.cfm
    ?SORID=E04A9234&CFID=9687164&CFTOKEN
    =17357935&jsessionid=b030a4f2a734$E4$5B$F

    the whole link doen’t work at all it only gives the first part of that link only , thank you thought trying to find it but seems no such luck…

  156. iknoweverythinglol // June 2, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Didn’t Yeltons mom dissapear in illinois
    **************************
    Yeah, but she’s not just Yelton’s mom. She’s also Stacy and Cass’ mom.

  157. Thanks for that site LTTBF……when I went there and put is his name, this is what came up:

    Inmate NOT found

    Inmates may not be found for several reasons:

    * The inmate’s sentence may be DISCHARGED. Inmate has completed their sentence/parole.

    The * starred part is in red letters.

  158. Its there….I will copy and paste it here. The only thing that wont come over is his picture.

    R17478 – CALES, YELTON E.
    Parent Institution: Western Illinois Correctional Center
    Inmate Status: IN CUSTODY
    Location: WESTERN ILLINOIS
    Discharge Reason:

    Sex Offender Registry Required

    VITALS
    Date of Birth: 08-07-1979
    Weight: 150 lbs.
    Hair: Brown
    Sex: Male
    Height: 5 ft. 10 in.
    Race: White
    Eyes: Hazel

    MARKS, SCARS, & TATTOOS
    TATTOO, BACK – YOSEMITE SAM; CHINESE SYMBOL
    TATTOO, CHEST – FOOT PRINTS,LT/ARM;DEMON,DRAGON
    TATTOO, FOREARM, RIGHT – TRIBAL SIGN,LT/ARM;”JESICA/LACY”
    TATTOO, ANKLE, RIGHT – “H.D.” ABDOM;”HELLBOUND”
    TATTOO, NECK – “CHRISTIE” (LEFT SIDE)

    ADMISSION / RELEASE / DISCHARGE INFO
    Custody Date: 05/19/2004
    Projected Parole Date: 06/04/2006
    Paroled Date: —
    Tentative Discharge Date:
    Discharge From Parole: 06/04/2008

    SENTENCING INFORMATION
    MITTIMUS: 05CF40901
    CLASS: 2
    COUNT: 1
    OFFENSE: AGG CRIM SEX AB/VIC 13-16
    CUSTODY DATE: 01/20/2005
    SENTENCE: 0 YEARS 54 MONTHS 0 DAYS
    COUNTY: DUPAGE
    SENTENCE DISCHARGED?: NO

    MITTIMUS: 04CF160
    CLASS: 2
    COUNT: 1
    OFFENSE: AID/ABET/POSS/SELL STOLEN VEH
    CUSTODY DATE: 02/14/2004
    SENTENCE: 3 YEARS 0 MONTHS 0 DAYS
    COUNTY: WILL
    SENTENCE DISCHARGED?: YES

    MITTIMUS: 02CF26801
    CLASS: 4
    COUNT: 1
    OFFENSE: DOMESTIC BTRY/PHY CONTACT/2ND+
    CUSTODY DATE: 08/21/2002
    SENTENCE: 0 YEARS 15 MONTHS 0 DAYS
    COUNTY: DUPAGE
    SENTENCE DISCHARGED?: YES

    All complaints regarding the accuracy of information contained in these documents should be submitted, in writing, to the Illinois Department of Corrections, P.O. Box 19277, Springfield, IL 62794-9722.

  159. I guess DP knows YC is being released. Drew probably looks over his shoulder all the time as it is……he may be looking over both shoulders soon. I’m not insinuating YC would do anything, not trying to anyway, but you would think is getting a little apprehensive.

  160. wednesday , thanks for the help ladys and gents 🙂 I found it … from your links again thanks:)

  161. omg……but you would think DP is getting a little apprehensive.

    Great….i’m gonna be the one that ends up with the most typing bloopers 😦

  162. Christie and Anthony married 5/26/79, 2 months before she gave birth to Yelton. She had a daughter (Christina) with Ron Kokas.

    In Dec 83 their home in Downers Gove burned down. Jessica, age 2 died, Christie was 8mo pregnant with Stacy.

    Lacy died 10/17/87 from SIDS, after which Christie began to drink heavily. She was arrested in 89 twice for shoplifting, and in 90 for DUI.

    Christie and Anthony divorced about 90-91, Anthony moved the children to FL, LA, then eventually back to IL with new wife Linda (marriage mid-90s to 2002).

    That’s all I have.

    Christie was last seen in Blue Island 3/11/98.

  163. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    I was just thinking……Tom Morphey has got to be ready to come out of hiding…..you think? They’ve had him tucked away for a while now. Do you think any of his family has been able to see him or talk to him at all?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    imo he will not be safe until at least dp is behind bars, and maybe a few of his buddies who do his bidding for money or whatever favors he does for them.

  164. Amanda thanks for posting that…..I’ve been following the case since the beginning but there’s so much info it’s hard to remember it all and it’s great when posters take the time to refresh us.

  165. kitkatkul….I agree. Apparently TM is in some degree of danger. I’ve followed a lot of high profile crimes and it’s not often you hear of one of the witnesses having to go into seclusion…..except like organized crime type cases.

    There’s been so much talk about different people coming out with books about this case……I can only imagine the books the people that are hands on in this case could write.

  166. Kathleen Savio died in March 2004. Supposedly Yelton Cales was in custody in February 2004 for a three year sentence. That’s all I know.

  167. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    I wonder who in their family has the money to support him. It’s a good idea no matter who’s footing the bill…..keeps him away from DP and the journalists. Then again, I find it rather telling that he has to be in hiding at all……is the truth such that his life is truly in danger? Is it possible he knows more about Drew’s life than we realize and possibly it’s not good stuff? Maybe not only Drew but his friends/assoc too.
    ******************************

    Going back to the very beginning, within a week of Stacy’s disappearance, there was a rumor that Drew’s brother, Paul, was in the hospital after a suicide attempt. Greta’s team chased that rumor down and quickly squashed it.

    It was about three weeks later that it was revealed that the rumor wasn’t too far off base – it was just the wrong brother. It was Drew’s step-brother, Tom Morphey.

    I believe it was Mark Fuhrman who broke the news about Tom meeting Drew at a cafe, Drew excusing himself to run an errand, and leaving his cell phone with Tom, telling him not to answer it if it rang. A while after Drew left, the cell phone rang and the caller ID said “Stacy.”

    It was reported that Tom helped Drew move a container that was “warm to the touch.” Afterwards, Drew took Tom home, and Tom, very shaken up went to his friend and neighbor, Walter Martinek and told him what happened.

    The next day it was learned that Tom had attempted suicide.

    Sharon Bychowski reported that on October 31st, Drew asked her to babysit while he went to visit a relative in the hospital who had tried to commit suicide.

    One of the things that came out of this story was Tom Morphey’s fear of Drew. Tom felt his life was in danger according to the reports.

    With all this in mind, I have no doubt Tom Morphey is in some sort of seclusion or protective custody.

    I’m sure that we only know the general synopsis of what happened the evening of October 28th, when Tom was with Drew. I expect there’s details Tom was able to give the police that mesh with other information they have.

    I also think that since Tom Morphey is a step brother to Drew, and worked at the bar that Drew owned, he knows more about Drew, and possibly knows details of other things Drew was involved in.

  168. Regarding Mr. Yelton Cales getting out of prison.

    Now the question is “HOW LONG?”

    And I don’t think it is “HOW LONG until him and Drew have any sort of ‘talk’?”, more like, “How long until he screws up and finds himself back in prison?”

    Obviously there will be conditions on his release, conditions which if violated, lead right back to prison.

    So great, let’s add to the circus environment a little more.

  169. I agree Molly, and I think that is the primary reason Tom is scared to death of Drew. I don’t blame him one bit for seeking police protection in some form or fashion.

  170. BB, let’s just hope and pray for Cassandra’s sake that Yelton behaves himself. She sure doesn’t need anything else to give her grief right now.

  171. bb….i know it’s not funny but, i started cracking up at your last sentence.

    Y’all don’t get mad……i stopped laughing.

  172. I just wonder where’s he’s gonna live……his whole family is under such stress right now and i’m sure his release isn’t making it any better…..now they have to deal with him too.

  173. according to the info on yelton he was not in custody when katleen died that sentence was dismissed. bet drew helped out with that!! matter of fact looks like he got a few sentences dismissed. and got right back into trouble by may of 2004 then trouble again 2005, that is the one that finally put him away. So what did he do to violate parol?
    I agree BB how long will he stay out this time. No drew to get his charges dismissed!!

    MITTIMUS: 04CF160
    CLASS: 2
    COUNT: 1
    OFFENSE: AID/ABET/POSS/SELL STOLEN VEH
    CUSTODY DATE: 02/14/2004
    SENTENCE: 3 YEARS 0 MONTHS 0 DAYS
    COUNTY: WILL
    SENTENCE DISCHARGED?: YES

  174. the story from fuhrman was just that a story, the video he showed turned out it was not drew and morphey but 2 truck drivers.

    I don’t think any of morphey’s story has been collaborated. Maybe morphey killed stacy and is blaming drew. who knows, it would be easy to do look how most haven’t even thought about anyone but drew as being the guilty party!

  175. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Kathleen Savio died in March 2004. Supposedly Yelton Cales was in custody in February 2004 for a three year sentence. That’s all I know.
    ***************************************

    The way it’s written, it is confusing.
    But it says that sentence was dismissed, doesn’t it? I dunno at this point, because it also says stuff about parole that looks wrong to me.

  176. It may not be collaborated but I think the fact that he almost immediately told his friend about it is going to weigh heavy on a jury’s mind 😉

  177. I think the subsequent charge for sexual assault caused the other one to be released, since he had to serve that too. Not sure about that though.

  178. Not to mention……a neighbor saw DP and “an unidentified man” moving a container….if the neighbor & TM’s timeline coincide…….game, set, match.

  179. I know how the cales family feels about Yelton.

    he may stay with one of the family members or go to a halfway house when he gets out wednesday.

    lets just say I know someone who got out and had 3 to 5yrs probation . and went back to live with his son and his ex girlfriend.. and he is there still, and his probation is done with..

  180. freedom08 // June 2, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    the story from fuhrman was just that a story, the video he showed turned out it was not drew and morphey but 2 truck drivers.

    I don’t think any of morphey’s story has been collaborated. Maybe morphey killed stacy and is blaming drew. who knows, it would be easy to do look how most haven’t even thought about anyone but drew as being the guilty party!
    +++++++++++++++++++
    It was corroborated by Tom Morphey’s brother John.

  181. again how does anyone know that what he told his friend is not what tom did and just blamed drew?
    too wierd seems if morphey’s story was so solid there would have been no need for a GJ investigation and the state’s attorney would issue a warrant for drews arrest back then.
    dk, that’s just a crazy story!!
    there was a case in texas where a man killed his brothers wife to get back at him and made it look like his brother paid him to kill the wife. The brother even had a recording of supposedly both of them plotting her murder and when LE analyzed it turns out it wasn’t the husband but LE did not let that out and arrest the husband and tried him be he was aquited. Oh the brother that did the killing ended up comitting suicide.
    so who knows with people anymore.

  182. john’s story does not collaborate he’s just repeating what his brother told him supposedly and the story also changed. The brother claims drew took tom to a park and that is where drew left him with the phone.
    and also I doubt Morphey is in protective custody, time will tell as most in this case.

  183. Personally….I’m pulling for Yelton…..his family needs him but, with his past & present…..i don’t know if he can help anyone besides himself right now and is probably going to have a hard time doing that.

  184. MAYbe as you say the brother changed it cause of possibly The LE told him to so not to let Drew know what he really knows

  185. I also thought Ferhmon did say and showed the video of drew and tom in that cafe or what it was again,. but it was grainy … and the place said those 2 where there…. I remember mark saying that

  186. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    freedom….i know you don’t think Morphey killed Stacy.
    —-

    actually I don’t even know if I believe Stacy is dead. I’m on the fence most of the time about this.
    as far as morphey I don’t think he did but it is a possibility.

  187. freedom…..where do you think TM is?

    Also, if my memory isn’t failing me….TM didn’t go to his brother with his story…..he went to a close friend.

  188. Freedom: seems if morphey’s story was so solid there would have been no need for a GJ investigation
    ***********************************

    If Morphey’s story included seeing a body, or Drew saying, “Hey, help me get Stacy’s body from the upstairs bedroom. I just killed her.” I think they would have arrested Drew by now.

    But, since he was only asked to hold a phone and move a blue container, and that container hasn’t been seen since (that we know of) I don’t think it’s enough evidence on its own to warrant an arrest. He thinks that he helped Drew move Stacy’s body, but even he doesn’t know if that’s what happened.

    I think that is why they need all the GJ testimony from other parties.

  189. And lets not forget Tom has had some mental issues in the past. That will all be brought out at trial.

    He might be scared, but I dont believe he is in State Protective Custody

  190. If I was a DA and the suspect was a 30 year cop and there are at least two murders involved, I would be looking for every little bit of evidence I could find no matter what smoking guns I had. No need to rush, he aint going nowhere.

  191. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    freedom…..where do you think TM is?

    Also, if my memory isn’t failing me….TM didn’t go to his brother with his story…..he went to a close friend.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++
    He went to both. His friend first, then his brother.

  192. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Also, if my memory isn’t failing me….TM didn’t go to his brother with his story…..he went to a close friend.
    ********************************

    If you read the tribune story it says that Tom went to the friend, but since then has told his brother John and identical version of what happened that night. There are quotes from John to that effect.

  193. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    freedom…..where do you think TM is?

    Also, if my memory isn’t failing me….TM didn’t go to his brother with his story…..he went to a close friend.

    TM is probably in rehab and probably wasn’t clean for 10 years as touted!

    Ok so TM’s brother could not corraborate anything since he only heard what the neighbor said.

    knoweverything I agree I would turn over every piece of information and evidence like you said no rush. And there IMO has been a big credibility issue from more than drew.
    I would start with the paint story it is full of holes.

    maybe stacy did leave on her own and the pastor and morphey are part of the plot to ensure drew is thrown in jail immediately.
    like I said who knows what I do know is the information that has been released so far is full of holes and not just from drew.

  194. freedom08 // June 2, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    freedom….i know you don’t think Morphey killed Stacy.
    —-

    actually I don’t even know if I believe Stacy is dead.

    ****************************************
    Every now and then I try to convince myself that she might, possibly be alive……but, in reality, I’m pretty sure she isn’t….and, so far, I haven’t seen, read or heard anything yet that convinces me her husband isn’t guilty of her demise.

  195. freedom said: again how does anyone know that what he told his friend is not what tom did and just blamed drew?
    ____________
    LE (ISP, FBI) is going to rule out any other possibilities.

    If anyone else killed Stacy, wouldn’t there be forensic evidence? Or does the whole kit and kaboodle have the knowledge and skills to dispose of a body without a trace?

  196. lugnut96 // June 2, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    I also thought Ferhmon did say and showed the video of drew and tom in that cafe or what it was again,. but it was grainy … and the place said those 2 where there…. I remember mark saying that
    **********************************

    Later it was revealed the video showed two truckers who met to discuss business. That’s why you haven’t seen the video since then and Fuhrman hasn’t said anything more about the case.

    That, for me, was one of the stupidest blunders in the coverage of this story so far. Dang!

  197. Toms brother went before the GJ and told them Tom came to him first if I remember it right. Later on Tom told the neighbor.

  198. What scares me is the talk that I have read about the ISP, and the changes made. It seems from what I have read that a lot of the investigators now arent really investigators, as much as political hacks.

    That could spell problems.

  199. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    I agree Molly, and I think that is the primary reason Tom is scared to death of Drew. I don’t blame him one bit for seeking police protection in some form or fashion.
    *****************************

    Drew asked Sharon to babysit while he visited his relative in the hospital. I wonder if Drew actually DID go to the hospital to see Tom Morphey, and if so, what did he say to him? Did Drew threaten Tom?

    That would be even more reason to give Tom protective custody.

    Drew and Joel are very interested in finding out where Tom Morphey is. More interested than they should be. That tells me that they fear what he knows and could be telling the authorities.

  200. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 8:15 pm
    Every now and then I try to convince myself that she might, possibly be alive……but, in reality, I’m pretty sure she isn’t….and, so far, I haven’t seen, read or heard anything yet that convinces me her husband isn’t guilty of her demise.
    ——-
    I go back and forth I don’t see much FACTS or evidence I do see lots of lynch mob mentality. just too many unknowns for me to say yet.
    I could see Stacy feeling like she was totally trapped and the only way out was to disappear.
    Especially if she was more than an alibi in Kathleens death.
    hopefully the truth will come out and the right person will be convicted for kathleens death and possibly even Stacy’s.
    If it’s drew then too bad soo sad for him and he should be locked away for the rest of his life and never released.
    but those poor kids anyway this turns out they are the ones suffering.

  201. iknoweverythinglol // June 2, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Toms brother went before the GJ and told them Tom came to him first if I remember it right. Later on Tom told the neighbor.

    hmm haven’t heard that.

  202. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    🙂 Are you testing an avatar, lug?

    no I was trying to put link in and didn’t work to the videos on greta’s site of all whom talked with her and didn’t show up .. so is why I said test lol

  203. Thanks everyone……again I learn something new….I had no idea that he had actually told his brother about that night…..wow! In my mind it makes his testimony even that much stronger.

    I hope that I never have to face a situation like this….seems like if even you’re telling the truth there’s so many theories that can be presented that it appears no one is telling the truth…..understand what i’m trying to say?

    Even amongst all of us internet posters……we could go into any trial and cast doubt.

  204. Put a space in your ww w, lug.

    The links seem to be going to spam for some, and working for others.

  205. JB claims he knows where TM is. Also I think JB is playing a fool for all but might have a trick or two up his sleeve in court.
    or he’s just a total dipstick. lawyers especially, criminal defense lawyers never show their hand until court they will bluff alot though.
    but seriously what JB has shown so far is pretty close to an assclown.

  206. *

    noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Put a space in your ww w, lug.

    The links seem to be going to spam for some, and working for others.

    thaank you noway , I shall do that, I was trying to post what of greta’s videos she talked with if it will help anyone .. might ring bell if ya listen to those interviews again ya know…..ok Iam going to try it again..
    http://
    www. foxnews.com/ontherecord/stacypeterson/index.html
    do you mean like this or different???

  207. I’m going to read my son the last of Where The Red Fern Grows … if I can get through it without crying. 😦

  208. That will work, lug … you just need to break up the link somehow … I usually just make it ww space w …

    Night, all!

  209. freedom08 // June 2, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    but seriously what JB has shown so far is pretty close to an assclown.
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    Okay, good freedom, a point you and i can agree on lol :)….me likey.

    I’d like to see JB hit a couple of good licks just because i feel a little bit sorry for him…..me thinks he’s in way in over his head though if DP goes to trial.

  210. iknoweverythinglol // June 2, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Toms brother went before the GJ and told them Tom came to him first if I remember it right. Later on Tom told the neighbor.
    ++++++++++++++
    From what I read Tom whent straight to Martincek the very night after he helped move whatever it was and offered Martineck the money Drew paid him, and told him what he thought he had done. The next day he was on the phone with his brother John telling him about it and that he had taken pills and was going to commit suicide because Drew was going to get him and his family anyway. Maybe what I read was wrong. Who knows what really happened except Tom and John?

  211. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    freedom08 // June 2, 2008 at 8:26 pm
    Okay, good freedom, a point you and i can agree on lol :)….me likey.

    I’d like to see JB hit a couple of good licks just because i feel a little bit sorry for him…..me thinks he’s in way in over his head though if DP goes to trial.
    —-

    lol, I don’t feel sorry for him he’s a slimey criminal defense lawyer and I have no idea about his trial record he might be smart as a tac in court and just playing everyone or he’s as dumb as a box of rocks!!
    I do feel when it goes to trial that the big guns will be brought in as co-counsel.

  212. freedom08 // June 2, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    again how does anyone know that what he told his friend is not what tom did and just blamed drew?
    too wierd seems if morphey’s story was so solid there would have been no need for a GJ investigation and the state’s attorney would issue a warrant for drews arrest back then.
    dk, that’s just a crazy story!!
    there was a case in texas where a man killed his brothers wife to get back at him and made it look like his brother paid him to kill the wife. The brother even had a recording of supposedly both of them plotting her murder and when LE analyzed it turns out it wasn’t the husband but LE did not let that out and arrest the husband and tried him be he was aquited. Oh the brother that did the killing ended up comitting suicide.
    so who knows with people anymore.

    ******************************

    LE has stated that Stacy did not leave the Peterson home willingly and they have evidence.

    Considering that Drew is their only suspect, not Tom Morphey, there has to be a concrete reason.

    I’m making an assumption that LE didn’t just blindly accept what Tom Morphey said, but sought out corroboration of everything he told them.

    There’s a reason why Drew is the only suspect, and Tom Morphey is in seclusion/protective custody.

  213. molly….i love your posts….you are able to get your thoughts out there so wonderfully and so far i agree with everything you’ve said.

  214. “”Tom’s not a whack job,” John Morphey said in his first public interview. “It just kills me to see and hear this stuff about him. Drew says [Tom’s] a liar, but Tom was coming forward with his story to me and to other people before Stacy was even reported missing.”

    Tom Morphey, 40, has been in protective custody. His brother, 41, said Drew Peterson enlisted Tom’s help to remove a large blue container from the Peterson home Oct. 28,the night Stacy, then 23, vanished.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson-stepbrothersapr16,0,1549239.story

  215. Molly, I have often wondered if Drew went to the hospital just to threaten Tom. Would not surprise me.

  216. molly I don’t believe much of what LE has released either.
    Also note there has been no suspect named in Kathleens death. why it’s been over 2 months since it was ruled a homicide.
    morphey’s story makes no sense, why would drew the supposed 30 year season cop that knows how to work the system, some even consider him a serial killer, why would he involved others in killing stacy. even I know that if you want a crime unsolved you tell NO ONE.
    makes no sense and why not go to the police with this info instead of his neighbor if he really thought stacy was in that tub? And at that point stacy was not officially missing.
    something about that story doesn’t make sense to me but much doesn’t in this case and from both sides of the fence.
    hopefully I’m wrong and it’s just as simple as it seems drew is guilty on both counts. but I just don’t see that at this point need more facts and evidence.

  217. Y’all, I ve had a little white zin tonight, so please overlook any and all typos and spelling errors. Most of the time I can type just fine and spell even better, but my eyes are a little fuzzy tonight. Sorry.

  218. Freedom, Drew is not the smartest cookie in the jar. I don’t care if he does have 29 years of police service. Just look at this Kim thing, and tons of other stupid stuff he says and does.

  219. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Y’all, I ve had a little white zin tonight, so please overlook any and all typos and spelling errors. Most of the time I can type just fine and spell even better, but my eyes are a little fuzzy tonight. Sorry
    **************************************
    roflmao……i had a couple of drinks too but i started f’n up on my typing before then……facs has me paranoid now plus I was laughing about other people’s typos so now I’m shamed.

  220. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Thanks everyone……again I learn something new….I had no idea that he had actually told his brother about that night…..wow! In my mind it makes his testimony even that much stronger.

    I hope that I never have to face a situation like this….seems like if even you’re telling the truth there’s so many theories that can be presented that it appears no one is telling the truth…..understand what i’m trying to say?

    Even amongst all of us internet posters……we could go into any trial and cast doubt.
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    John Morphey only came out publicly in the aftermath of Drew’s interview on the Larry King show in April. At that time, Drew (and Joel) made some nasty comments about Tom.

    John Morphey wanted to set the record straight in defense of his brother. He said that the next day, October 29th, Tom called him and told him what had happened. He said that Tom was despondent by the events the night before, and talking about suicide, saying that Drew was going to get him anyway, and said he was taking an overdose. After he hung up from that phone call John called paramedics.

  221. cfs…you and I just need to get our microphones out and give up on the typing stuff.

    Mama can you hear me…..la la la

  222. Then, I think about the few tidbits Kim M. told the press……can only imagine how much more she knows.

  223. I wish I had my computer set up for voice recognition. It is capable, just haven’t set it up yet. Too tipsy to try to set it up tonight, so y’all will just have to try to decipher.

  224. You guys do know that LE will often say something that arent always on the up and up, hoping to weed people out by the statement.

  225. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Assuming this goes to trial……Morphey is gonna be a major witness.
    ++++++++++++
    Very key witness g8trgirl! I really think Drew would try to have him taken out of the picture if he could get to him. Will really be interesting to see how this plays out. Just amazes me how so many people can’t see Drew for what he is, and say the ones that can have a lynch mob mentality. I think a lot of people that think Stacy ran off are going to be surprised when Drew is convicted for her murder. My opinion only. Sure others think I will be surprised if he’s found not guilty.

  226. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    iknoweverythinglol // June 2, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Toms brother went before the GJ and told them Tom came to him first if I remember it right. Later on Tom told the neighbor.
    ++++++++++++++
    From what I read Tom whent straight to Martincek the very night after he helped move whatever it was and offered Martineck the money Drew paid him, and told him what he thought he had done. The next day he was on the phone with his brother John telling him about it and that he had taken pills and was going to commit suicide because Drew was going to get him and his family anyway. Maybe what I read was wrong. Who knows what really happened except Tom and John?
    **************************

    Walter Martinek said that Tom called him as soon as he got home and said he needed to talk to him right away. Tom came right over. Walter said that Tom’s call came while Walter was watching the World Series, and he mentioned what inning the game was in.

    Walter said Tom told him what happened that evening and said that Tom was very upset. He mentioned that Drew had paid Tom and Tom tried to give that money to Walter. He made Walter promise not to tell anyone what he had just told him.

    The next day, when Walter found out that Tom tried to commit suicide, he went to the police and told them what Tom told him.

  227. Let, I’m sure they do. I”ve seen them locally trying to bait a suspect or person of interest. But I can’t believe they would put statements out on Larry King, Dan Abrams, and who knows where else that an arrest was forthcoming and that Stacy did not leave her hame and famly willingly. Just don’t think that’s an effort to try to weed anybody out. JMO.

  228. I’m kinda clinging on to the statement KM said about LE telling her they were 100% sure he killed Stacy……….what do you know that makes you 100% sure?

  229. g8trgirl, do you think LE really said that? Or do you think it’s the exaggeration of a 22-year old womangirl?

  230. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    I saw that interview with Walter Martineck Mooly. It was pretty interesting.
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    okay cfs…..i can see ur a habitual offender

  231. I think if they really knew 100 % Drew would have been arrested by now, but thats just my thinking. They were trying to scare her, she is a young girl, and they knew exactly what they were saying.

  232. ga8trgirl, it sort of makes you wonder who in the ISP knows what. I would not think that every ISP officer knows every single thing about every piece of evidence collected in this case, but then I don’t know how LE works in regard to a case such a s this. Is all of the information collected general knowledge to all officers? I cna’t believe that it would be, but I just don’t know. Those two officers might not have known as much about everything as they pretended to, who knows?

  233. I think the reason DP involved TM was because people would say: Why would a cop … and to use freedom’s words: “the supposed 30 year season cop that knows how to work the system” involve anyone else?

    I think he wanted TM to think he’d help cover up Stacy’s murder, knowing that TM would not keep quiet.

    I think the business with the truckers was more of the same.

  234. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    g8trgirl, do you think LE really said that? Or do you think it’s the exaggeration of a 22-year old womangirl?
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    if she had been in this saga a while longer and had been more media saavy i might have questioned her response.

  235. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    okay cfs…..i can see ur a habitual offender
    ++++++++++++++++++
    Tonight I am. Please overlook.

  236. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    I think the reason DP involved TM was because people would say: Why would a cop … and to use freedom’s words: “the supposed 30 year season cop that knows how to work the system” involve anyone else?

    I think he wanted TM to think he’d help cover up Stacy’s murder, knowing that TM would not keep quiet.

    I think the business with the truckers was more of the same.
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    Noway, you lost me here. Can you elaborate a little further?

  237. g8trgirl, I’m just saying that the cop (WHY do I keep typing copy?) might have said Drew was guilty and she added the 100% for emphasis.

    But then again, I believed her when she said Drew told her he loved her and wanted her to spend the rest of her life with him.

  238. Are you saying that by Tom saying he helped Drew dispose of Stacy that people would think Drew was too smart to involve Tom and so Tom is lying or crazy? Not sure I get this.

  239. cfs I believe stacy told that pastor what he claimed I just don’t know if I believe what she said is true.
    it won’t surprise me a bit if drew is convicted I just hope they have more evidence then what we are hearing which imo is none.
    also had drew left stacy dead in the house for hours the dogs would have went nuts no way to hide the smell of death for that long. IMO.
    like I’ve said before on the surface drew looks guilty as hell but start digging into all angels and it’s a big I don’t know.
    So no I won’t be surprised at all if he is convicted matter of fact I could see a conviction handed down just with hearsay depending on the jury.
    LE has lots to prove in both cases and they must prove it beyond a resonable doubt.
    dk how the hearsay law is going to work because my understanding is before they can use the hearsay they must prove that drew is the reason that neither stacy or kathleen cannot speak for themselves. how can they prove that without the hearsay first, dk!

  240. cfs … sorry … it’s clear in my head but I’m not getting it out right.

    I’m saying that people would ask why Drew would involve ANYONE.

    IMO Drew suspected that TM would tell someone. TM strikes me as the kind of person you couldn’t trust to keep this kind of secret. That’s what Drew wanted.

    Because people wouldn’t believe that a seasoned cop would involve anyone else.

    I think the same is true about the truck driver (the third one).

    That Drew did it to distract or confuse.

    Is this making sense?

  241. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    g8trgirl, I’m just saying that the cop (WHY do I keep typing copy?) might have said Drew was guilty and she added the 100% for emphasis.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    maybe but i don’t she realized what was waiting for her the day she went before the GJ and the press……..somehow, i just don’t think she had any idea what she was getting herself into…..and while i’m at it…..Steve Carcerano, you should be ashamed of yourself for playing matchmaker with those two…….where’s your wife…..she doesn’t care that you’re hanging out at bars with a potential murder suspect?

  242. Noway, I think Drew was desperate. REALLY desperate. He had to get Stacy’s body out of that house, and since he knew Tom and Tom had worked for him before, Drew also probably knew that Tom was scared of him and wouldn’t say anything about what he needed him to do. He also knew that Tom needed money, and he could hush him up with a little extra like $2,000! I think Drew’s plan backfired on him worse than he ever expected it to. Drew probably figured Tom wouldn’t say anything at all because just moving a container wasn’t a big deal at all, or shouldn’t have been. Drew probably never in his life expected Tom to suspect that he was helping Drew move STacy, of all things. Both of them got the surprise of their lives about this one. IMO.

  243. That’s definitely a possiblity.

    TM was afraid of Drew (I’m sure Drew knew how he intimidated TM) and he thought that would be enough to keep TM quiet.

    They’ve done a good job of keeping quiet about where TM is. Actually, I’d say that LE has done a good job about keeping quiet about everything.

    I think anything that has come out to the public was a calculated move by LE, not a leak.

    IMO

    Heck! I cannot type at all tonight. It’s because I’d gotten used to the laptop and now I’m on the desktop. My fingers are everywhere except where they should be. HA HA HA.

  244. no I’m just saying morphey’s story makes no sense a warm container with a dead body? bodies cool after death not warm and no way could you put that much chemical in a plastic tote then carry it around.
    that’s why I go back to maybe stacy did leave on her own and morphey’s story was to ensure drew was put in jail.
    maybe stacy couldn’t live with kathleen’s death anymore and didn’t want to go to jail along with drew. who knows until kathleens murder is solved and we know all the players in her death or if what stacy said was true and she just gave an alibi for murder then carried on with her life like nothing happened enjoying all the $$ drew got from her death until she couldn’t take it anymore tried to leave and enraged drew and he killed her.
    as greta stated concerning this case “all is not as it seems”
    I know this ISP and BBPD have alot to answer for concering kathleens death and they need a scapegoat to cover up their mess. Drew will be their scapegoat unless the FBI nails ISP and BBPD for their wrong doings concerning kathleens death.

  245. i agree with that cfs…….i really don’t think DP planned to kill SP on that particular day……argument went bad……DP has no control over himself and makes what will end up being the worst mistake of his life. I think he’s been underhanded for a long time and fate, possibly, has caught up with him.

  246. freedom08 // June 2, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    molly I don’t believe much of what LE has released either.
    Also note there has been no suspect named in Kathleens death. why it’s been over 2 months since it was ruled a homicide.
    morphey’s story makes no sense, why would drew the supposed 30 year season cop that knows how to work the system, some even consider him a serial killer, why would he involved others in killing stacy. even I know that if you want a crime unsolved you tell NO ONE.
    makes no sense and why not go to the police with this info instead of his neighbor if he really thought stacy was in that tub? And at that point stacy was not officially missing.
    something about that story doesn’t make sense to me but much doesn’t in this case and from both sides of the fence.
    hopefully I’m wrong and it’s just as simple as it seems drew is guilty on both counts. but I just don’t see that at this point need more facts and evidence.
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    Freedom,
    LE has no reason to lie. When this case goes to trial, and if the police have no solid evidence, we’re all going to know that and it would portray LE in the worse possible light.

    No suspect has been named in the murder of Kathleen Savio because by the time her body was exhumed and a second autopsy done, the case was in the hands of the grand jury, not LE. It’s now up to the grand jury to indict someone or not. In any case, the death of Kathleen Savio was not an open police case.

    Despite his long-term experience as a police officer, I don’t feel that Drew Peterson is as intelligent as you might expect him to be with that background. I don’t believe Drew planned and calculated killing Stacy. I think he killed her in a spur of the moment blind rage. He was then left with trying to cover up the murder, under less than favorable circumstances. It was a Sunday, with four children in the home and most of the neighbors at home (not work). He made mistakes and one was using a relative to help him.

    Why didn’t Tom go to the police? He was scared and couldn’t think beyond his own fright. Drew was a Bolingbrook police officer – if he went to the police would they believe him over one of their own officers? If Drew found out he had gone to the police, he might kill Tom too.

  247. freedom08
    according to the info on yelton he was not in custody when katleen died that sentence was dismissed.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    freedom, BIG difference in DISMISSED & DISCHARGED ……. discharged means he has served out the sentence.

  248. freedom…..i hope you’re theory is right…..if Stacy is alive…..i make a promise before all of you right now……i WILL be in Bolingbrook celebrating when she comes back.

  249. reedom08 // June 2, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    should be $$ drew got from kathleens death.

    crap I can’t type either!!
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    mine is getting worse by the minute

  250. molly…..i have a feeling TM knew enough that he knew going to LE might be futile…..he probably didn’t know at the time how widespread his stepbrother’s influence might be and wasn’t sure who he could trust.

  251. IMO, it was not Stacy’s body in the container. I don’t know what made the container warm, whether it was the nightstand which had been near the heater or what.

    I just don’t think it was her body. Did the cadaver dogs search the garage?

    I know it’s crowded with stuff … and I know someone talked about the dog “hitting” outside the garage … but I wondered about Drew’s gun cabinet (in garage I believe). For 11 guns, that’s a big cabinet.

  252. g8trgirl // June 2, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Assuming this goes to trial……Morphey is gonna be a major witness.
    *******************************

    g8trgirl………..thanks for the compliment! 🙂

    I agree…….Tom Morphey is going to be the star witness, with others corroborating what he says.

  253. Well I’m doing better at deciphering than typing tonight, so you guys don’t worry. If we can’t figure it out, we’ll just have to ask. And yes g8tr, I think it was a jealous rage that morning, and I want to believe that he had never regretted anything more in his life. I can only imagine the hell he must be going through, and truthfully, I think it has impaired him somewhat. That’s why he’s doing all of these crazy things. He’s just up the creek and doesn’t really know what to do anymore.

  254. I’m a card-carrying member of the spelling police, and I’m granting anyone who posts here immunity from all typos and errors.

    You don’t have to apologize or acknowledge the errors.

    Unless you think it changes the meanging of what you said.

    (Sound of my gavel hitting my desk!)

  255. Freedonm, it was cold there in October. He could have put that container on a heat register for most of the day, and that would have kept it warm. There’s more than one explanation for it being warm.

  256. mzinformed // June 2, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    freedom, BIG difference in DISMISSED & DISCHARGED ……. discharged means he has served out the sentence.
    —-

    look at the dates of charges. how did he served 3 years in 2/14/2004 and his custody date for the charge he is now serving is 5/19/2004??? he wasn’t in jail at the time kathleen was killed according to this.

    —-
    Custody Date: 05/19/2004
    Projected Parole Date: 06/04/2006
    Paroled Date: —
    Tentative Discharge Date:
    Discharge From Parole: 06/04/2008

    SENTENCING INFORMATION
    MITTIMUS: 05CF40901
    CLASS: 2
    COUNT: 1
    OFFENSE: AGG CRIM SEX AB/VIC 13-16
    CUSTODY DATE: 01/20/2005
    SENTENCE: 0 YEARS 54 MONTHS 0 DAYS
    COUNTY: DUPAGE
    SENTENCE DISCHARGED?: NO

    MITTIMUS: 04CF160
    CLASS: 2
    COUNT: 1
    OFFENSE: AID/ABET/POSS/SELL STOLEN VEH
    CUSTODY DATE: 02/14/2004
    SENTENCE: 3 YEARS 0 MONTHS 0 DAYS
    COUNTY: WILL
    SENTENCE DISCHARGED?: YES

    MITTIMUS: 02CF26801
    CLASS: 4
    COUNT: 1
    OFFENSE: DOMESTIC BTRY/PHY CONTACT/2ND+
    CUSTODY DATE: 08/21/2002
    SENTENCE: 0 YEARS 15 MONTHS 0 DAYS
    COUNTY: DUPAGE
    SENTENCE DISCHARGED?: YES

  257. letthetruthbefree // June 2, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    g8…celebrating her running off? lol
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    no ding dong…..if she shows up by some miracle…….how do i do the sticking out my tongue smiley?

  258. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Oh Molly, I’m so sorry. Didn’t mean to call you Mooly.
    ****************************
    That’s perfectly ok………we all make typos. 🙂

  259. Doesn’t seem to work. It was 😛 elsewhere. That doesn’t look like a tongue outside the mouth.

  260. oh man if she was in that container near a heat register all day that house would have smelled to high heaven.

    gr8girl I have no clue if my theories are correct I’m just thinking outside the box and analyzing everything anyone says for holes in it and I’m finding so many holes in all the players that it’s really hard to know what the truth is. Hopefully LE has some hard evidence. And yes LE will and has lied before many times in many cases across the country and many innocents have gone to jail due to it. IL is a perfect example with all the innocents on death row. And I bet they thought they were guilty and just followed that and did not even look at other possibilities.

  261. I don’t think she was dead before she left the house, freedom.

    Hence, minimal hits from the dogs and as you said, no smell to high heaven.

  262. freedom, he probably was on probation/parole and “on the streets,” doing his time …….. if I’m not mistaken, when he was convicted of the sexual offense, he was on probation/parole and I believe that was in ’05.

    On a side note, I don’t post much, read mostly …….. and I must say, I like the way you think (post). Parallels mine almost always.

  263. if she does show up and went into hiding with this plan she should be prosecuted and have to pay the state back all the $$$ spent on this investigation.
    I doubt if she was in hiding on her own she would show up. Now if LE has her in the witness protection program that’s another story. I don’t think they do, if she did take off it was to disappear.

  264. I have a hard time believing she is in hiding on her own. Or with another man.

    So he’s going to accept that she knew her ex had killed his previous wife and since Stacy knew, she has to be in hiding and can never see her family again?

    What’s to keep him from turning Stacy in?

    No, I’m afraid the “run off with another man” isn’t acceptable right now.

    Don’t even think that LE would have her in protection and let all this stuff go on. If they are, I might have to sue. Time is money.

  265. mzinformed // June 2, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    freedom, he probably was on probation/parole and “on the streets,” doing his time …….. if I’m not mistaken, when he was convicted of the sexual offense, he was on probation/parole and I believe that was in ‘05.

    On a side note, I don’t post much, read mostly …….. and I must say, I like the way you think (post). Parallels mine almost always.
    —-
    why thank you for the compliment! you know the saying great minds think alike!! lol
    true he could have been out on the streets on probation, didn’t think of that.
    Seems I remember reading someone post that they lived near yelton and around the time kathleen died maybe right after yelton showed up with a bloody shirt on. Don’t remember the whole post or where I read it so it might be rumor. just seems like he was out at the time Kathleen died.

  266. I like to think outside the box too freedom but, i can’t wrap my mind around the possibility that she just up and left…….could you/would you just leave?

  267. g8trgirl … I might believe she would leave but not that she would stay away this long. No contact with family after talking with her family members every day?

    No.Way.

  268. Divorces can get vicious but, i mean, how often do you hear of spouses that just disappear…..most people take the heat and get it over.

  269. Freedom, I just really don’t know why it would have been warm. Maybe the container itself was near a register. I just think he got really upset with her about the phone calls and text messaging and lost it. Whetehr he choked, karate chopped her in the neck or whatever he did, I think it just happened, and he scrambled to try to hide it from the children and get her disposed of. Everyone has their own opinion about it, and I repsect that. Hopefully, some of these things will come out it court, but I don’t believe we will ever hear it from Drew.

  270. letthetruthbefree // June 2, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    I think if they really knew 100 % Drew would have been arrested by now, but thats just my thinking. They were trying to scare her, she is a young girl, and they knew exactly what they were saying.

    ****************************

    It’s out of LE’s hands at this point. The can’t arrest Drew without a grand jury indictment. The Illinois state law requires that anyone who is to be charged with a capital crime it must be a grand jury indictment.

    If Drew was stopped and found to be drunk driving, he could be arrested for that, but not for the murder of Kathleen Savio or for Stacy’s disappearance without that grand jury indictment.

  271. g8trgirl I can wrap my mind around it. Imagine being involved in your husbands exwife’s murder even if it’s an alibi. Imagine being stacy’s age and feeling there is no way out. Imagine threatening your husband that if he doesn’t let you leave you will turn him in for his ex-wifes murder and he tells you that you will go down with him. Imagine being afraid for your life and the only hope you see is to disappear knowing you can’t take the children because you will get caught easier and what kind of life would they have on the run.
    Stacy was reported as being depressed. Bruce said she was so depressed that morning she just layed in bed and was lethargic to boot.
    so who knows like I said I can see drew killing her in a fit of rage when she was demanding him to leave his house and leave all the kids behind.
    I just don’t know because I don’t know what LE knows.

  272. freedom ………Tina’s BIL has stated Yelton, in addition to being a thief, domestic batterer and sex offender, was/is a crack addict. Hey, maybe the boy needed $$$ for some rocks ……. easy target, KS!

  273. 🙂
    freedom, it sure would be easier on us if LE would clue us in, wouldn’t it.

    We wouldn’t have to waste time with various discussion!

    Bash said she had a boatload of questions for Joel and was sorry that he wasn’t answering questions anymroe …

    Bash, post them here and we’ll discuss them to death.

    No pun intended.

  274. cfs we may never know what happened even with a trial. I agree if drew did kill her he won’t ever admit it.
    Well if she did leave to get drew put in prison so she would be safe to come back I think the fact that they didn’t arrest drew quickly would keep her from coming back now.
    poor thing too bad she didn’t have some guidance growing up and maybe this would have never happened. I blame daddy cales for the troubles this family has had. And why oh why were these kids in foster care, where was aunt candy or any other family member for these kids at that time in their life. worthless mother and worthless father how sad.

  275. molly, true, what u say about GJ, however, we ALL know a DA can get a GJ to indict a ham sandwich!!! It’s THEIR show, therefore, you will never convince me they have a case(s) after this length of time.

  276. noway…..i saw all the questions she was asking him……girl is brilliant…..he didn’t answer too many of hers though and the ones he psuedo anwered, he side-stepped for the most part. I find it interesting how steadfast he has been about not discussing the timeline for the day Stacy went missing……makes me think the timeline is shaky ground…….along with TM’s testimony, DP’s timeline will probably bring him down.

  277. mzinformed // June 2, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    freedom ………Tina’s BIL has stated Yelton, in addition to being a thief, domestic batterer and sex offender, was/is a crack addict. Hey, maybe the boy needed $$$ for some rocks ……. easy target, KS!

    crack addict sounds about right and maybe stacy was worried about drew being pennyless once the financial settlement was complete between drew and kathleen and she pumped up Yelton against Kathleen and he took matters in his own hands and drew cleaned up the mess.
    One way or another drew is involved in kathleens death. he either did it or knows who did. the whole will thing is just to unreal and I can’t believe the courts didn’t get suspicious over that. matter of fact I can’t believe the whole deal with kathleens death. ISP should be ashamed of themselves.

  278. Molly –

    By law if they thought 100 % he killed her, they should, and I would hope go before the Judge and do a probably cause hearing, that way he would be in jail now.

    There are ways around that. There is no way, they always wait for a GJ.

  279. noway …….. Just a thought that he went there (KS’) to get money/jewelry – was caught in the act………………..

  280. noway406 // June 2, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    🙂
    freedom, it sure would be easier on us if LE would clue us in, wouldn’t it.

    it sure would even a press conference once in awhile would be nice!!

  281. If Yelton had come back from somewhere with a bloody shirt on, doesn’t anyone think Drew would have know about it somehow? Would he have turned a blind eye to crimes his brother in law committed just for Stacy’s sake? I don’t think so. Yelton was serving time in spite of Drew. That’s probably just a rumor about the bloody shirt Freedom, and you said as much also

  282. mzinformed // June 2, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    noway …….. Just a thought that he went there (KS’ 😉 to get money/jewelry – was caught in the act………………..

    oh good thought Kathleen had jewerly and other things stolen from her didn’t she?
    and I would think that stacy would protect yelton to the end even to the point of using kathleens death to get drew out of her life.

  283. letthetruthbefree, exactly!!! They CAN arrest, but the subject will have the right to a Preliminary Hearing, State/LE have no case to present @ said hearing, therefore, THEY do not want to go that route. Consequently, the LOOONG drawn out GJ

  284. Mz, exactly, and usually you will go before GJ when the case is somewhat weak and you need time.

    If they really, really thought he did it, and had the evidence, we wouldnt even be discussing this.

  285. mzinformed // June 2, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    molly, true, what u say about GJ, however, we ALL know a DA can get a GJ to indict a ham sandwich!!! It’s THEIR show, therefore, you will never convince me they have a case(s) after this length of time.
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    MZ, I keep hearing people say that about a ham sandwich, but that just isn’t true. Greta said that months ago trying to be funny, but it still isn’t true, and with two possible capital murder cases and only one body, the charges have to be strong enough to accompany a possible conviction. Just a few more weeks, and we’ll all know for sure if they have anything or not. I’m betting the farm they do!

  286. With 2 possible murders and the hubby being prime suspect, as well as a veteran PO (and god knows what else they’ve run across) i’m not surprised GJ has taken this long….which i guess really isn’t that long if you look at the scope of what they’ve been hearing.

  287. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    If Yelton had come back from somewhere with a bloody shirt on, doesn’t anyone think Drew would have know about it somehow? Would he have turned a blind eye to crimes his brother in law committed just for Stacy’s sake? I don’t think so. Yelton was serving time in spite of Drew. That’s probably just a rumor about the bloody shirt Freedom, and you said as much also

    I think the bloody shirt incident was right after kathleen’s death and yes it might be a rumor but my point was more of yelton wasn’t in jail at the time.
    I also can see drew thinking with kathleen gone all his problems are gone so he would cover it up.
    It just doesn’t sit well with me that stacy covered for murder for 3 years and even when she went to the pastor she did not want him arrested nor did she speak to the pastor about leaving drew.
    seems like a set up putting the story in place. And after Lisa Stebic went missing and all the accusations against her husband might have set a bell off in stacy head that this might be the only way she can ever get away from drew.
    there are tons of possibilities IMO. Stacy may not have been able to live with knowing what she did about kathleen and it may have after Tina’s death make her feel like she wasn’t a good mother and couldn’t look the 2 older boys in the eye.
    dk this case is just full of drama all around it and drew actions especially with the 22yo make things even worse for him IMO. what a freakin idiot that man is.

  288. oh the gun charge really makes LE look like they have no case. sorry but it appears as an act of desperation for them to wait over 6months to charge for this.
    June 14 if the charges are not dismissed then I will feel LE has a case concerning the gun and that’s about it.

  289. cfs, trust me it IS true, it is ALL the DA’s horse & pony show …….. and the ham sandwich saying is OLD as dirt in the criminal justice system. Sorry, having worked in IT, ’tis ever so true! They have NOTHING – if they did they would have already done SOMETHING!

  290. g8tr, besides that fact that the GJ is also investigating Lisa Stebic’s case and who knows what else.

  291. cfs, sadly, it’s very truth….I bet, without researching it, that cases taken before a GJ will 95 % of the time come back with an indictment.

  292. GJ don’t care, all they are saying is in their opinion, there is enough evidence to take to trial.

    It’s easier for them to say, yeah enough evidence, and not have the make the BIG decision.

    If they say yes, no harm no foul, if they say no, they could be sending someone free.

  293. Someone mentioned it earlier, about the 22 yo…..the story getting out about her. The more I think about it…..who leaked that and why?

  294. MZ, Craig Stebic hasn’t been arrested yet either. Lisa had been missing for over a year, he blood was supposedly found on a tarp in his truck, and he has not gotten guns and stuff back yet. Does that mean he won’t be arrested either then?

  295. mzinformed // June 2, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    cfs, trust me it IS true, it is ALL the DA’s horse & pony show …….. and the ham sandwich saying is OLD as dirt in the criminal justice system. Sorry, having worked in IT, ’tis ever so true! They have NOTHING – if they did they would have already done SOMETHING!

    I agree and seems like in early Dec something change for LE and cassandra hired a criminal attorney.
    maybe LE is looking at all angles and have found something other than drew is guilty.
    yes the GJ is the DA’s dog and pony show and they will hand down an indictment just a matter if they can get a conviction. seems like they are banking on the hearsay law!

  296. cfs7360 // June 2, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    MZ, Craig Stebic hasn’t been arrested yet either. Lisa had been missing for over a year, he blood was supposedly found on a tarp in his truck, and he has not gotten guns and stuff back yet. Does that mean he won’t be arrested either then?

    that means they don’t have any evidence to arrest Craig.
    what if there is someone in that area praying on women that are leaving their husbands? easy target and the husband will be suspected.
    like I said anything and theres lots missing in will county and I highly doubt drew is responsible for them all.

  297. cfs, Lisa blood is a tricky thing. They would have to prove how it got there. She was the wife, and it could be argued she helped him load something or whatever and cut herself.

    Thats a hard one.

  298. cfs – re: Stebic, just means they don’t have anything! Both could be ARRESTED now, however, @ this stage, the State doesn’t have anything to substantiate an arrest(s).

  299. Freedom08 – “what if there is someone in that area praying on women that are leaving their husbands? easy target and the husband will be suspected.”

    Do you honestly believe that Freedom08??

  300. My point was, his case is before the GJ as well. I don’t know as much about that case because I haven’t followed it, but I would imagine the GJ is trying to decide whether there is enough evidence to charge him as well. As I said, when it concludes, we’ll all know what they have or don’t have.

  301. And after the Riley Fox mess in Will County they better have all their ducks in a row before any arrest.

    Everyone talks about Brodsky, have you seen the Asst DA for Will County that acts as spokesman….He isn’t the sharpest tact in the shed either.

  302. lookingforthetruth // June 2, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Is this story with Yelton & a bloody shirt accurate??
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    don’t depend on me for accuracy but, this is the first time i’ve heard of this…..on any forum or news site.

  303. g8, you can’t bring hearsay into a court of law, so that wouldn’t help them at all. The Judge wouldn’t allow it.

  304. freedom, I’m w/ u re: the hearsay law, that’s why they are drawing this out, just waiting. And, they may well get their conviction that way, however, I feel it will be reversed on appeal should that happen.

  305. mzinformed // June 2, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    cfs – re: Stebic, just means they don’t have anything! Both could be ARRESTED now, however, @ this stage, the State doesn’t have anything to substantiate an arrest(s).
    +++++++++++++++++++++
    I agree that the State may not, but the indictment has to be handed down by the GJ if that’s the case, which is what we’re waiting on…..to see or not to see.

  306. lookingforthetruth // June 2, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Freedom08 – “what if there is someone in that area praying on women that are leaving their husbands? easy target and the husband will be suspected.”

    Do you honestly believe that Freedom08??
    —-
    no, but it’s a possibility! they do think there is a serial killer in will county preying on african american women. Why isn’t that on the front burner also? Why no GJ on that? Why can’t will county arrest anyone on these missing people they sure do have enough?
    Did Will county ever solve the Fox case?? The seem pretty inept to me.

  307. Oh you watch how fast lawyer’s will run to the Appeals, and Supreme Courts if the hearsay law passes.

    It won’t see the light of day in this trial, in my opinion.

  308. Isn’t the state close to passing a hearsay law? Pending the Gov’s signature? Of course silly me…..i’m sure if it gets signed the appeals are already lined up……prolly never make it into law……we have too much red tape.

  309. freedom08 // June 2, 2008 at 10:39 pm
    “I agree and seems like in early Dec something change for LE and cassandra hired a criminal attorney.
    maybe LE is looking at all angles and have found something other than drew is guilty.”
    —————————————–
    Freedom, now you are saying what?? Cassandra had something to do with Kathleens death??

  310. mzinformed // June 2, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    freedom, I’m w/ u re: the hearsay law, that’s why they are drawing this out, just waiting. And, they may well get their conviction that way, however, I feel it will be reversed on appeal should that happen.

    I agree it may get to the supreme court by way of California before they can even try to use it.
    I think allowing hearsay into a courtroom is a very very dangerous thing. Yes there’s a loop hole for criminals but you basically can have anyone saying anything and it can’t be proven either way. very very dangerous which is why it has not been allowed in a court of law.
    I’m gonna take this post to the new thread it’s faster.

  311. OT, this hockey game is about to give me a heart attack, seriously….God help me get through this…lol.

  312. letthetruthbefree – IL Legislature has before it a Bill to allow hearsay in the Court in certain cases, therefore, the State may be banking on this, however, under the 6th Amendment, US, you have the right to confront your accuser ……… so w/ this hearsay DP would not have that right in court as the “accuser’s” words would be coming from someone else.

  313. freedom08 // June 2, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    lookingforthetruth // June 2, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Freedom08 – “what if there is someone in that area praying on women that are leaving their husbands? easy target and the husband will be suspected.”

    Do you honestly believe that Freedom08??
    —-
    no, but it’s a possibility! they do think there is a serial killer in will county preying on african american women. Why isn’t that on the front burner also? Why no GJ on that? Why can’t will county arrest anyone on these missing people they sure do have enough?
    Did Will county ever solve the Fox case?? The seem pretty inept to me.
    ——————————————freedom, I agree with your last post, but what does that have to do with your initial statement?? “someone in that area praying on women that are leaving their husbands? easy target and the husband will be suspected.”

  314. lookingforthetruth // June 2, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Freedom08 – “what if there is someone in that area praying on women that are leaving their husbands? easy target and the husband will be suspected.”

    I could see that in the Stebic case. In Stacy’s case I could if Drew hadn’t said Stact took a bikini and money from the safe.

  315. letthetruthbefree // June 2, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Molly –

    By law if they thought 100 % he killed her, they should, and I would hope go before the Judge and do a probably cause hearing, that way he would be in jail now.

    There are ways around that. There is no way, they always wait for a GJ.
    *****************************
    Yes, there is also the option of a preliminary hearing for probable cause. But, most state prosecutors don’t take this option as they have to move fast, bringing the case to trial within a limited time.

    The grand jury allows for calling witnesses who in all likelihood will be witnesses from the prosecution when the case goes to trial. The grand jury testimony of witnesses allows the prosecution to put the entire case together before going to trial.

    In a case where a death is presumed, but there is no body, it allows time for that body to be found.

  316. letthetruthbefree // June 2, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    OT, this hockey game is about to give me a heart attack, seriously….God help me get through this…lol.

    YES JUST ONE MORE FOR THE RED WINGS , they could of won it tonight dam it lol… my home team YEAH:)

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