Your Thread – June 3 2.0

Here’s another for Tuesday’s discussion.

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417 thoughts on “Your Thread – June 3 2.0

  1. Not gonna lie folks, we’re totally stumped on why some people’s links go to spam and others’ don’t. Not matter how lenient we make the rules on the spam filter, your links are still being caught. For now, just type the URL in a way that breaks the automatic link…, unless you find rescueapet’s method works for you. Sorry for the hassle.

  2. Bringing this over from the other thread:

    rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    I was wondering where you all were.

    If you’re having trouble with posting a link, try this: leave off the http://www.

    Just type it like this:

    mysuburbanlife.com/oakbrook/news/x1767333406

  3. Okay. I’ve googled for an hour, and I can finding NOTHING that says Mike Robinson appeared before the Peterson Grand Jury.

    I find that particularly odd, since everyone else that is even remotely involved in the life of DP has been called. I wonder why that is? I really do.

  4. here’s a link to kathleens lawyer’s interview it’s 19 min long lots of interesting stuff I’m still listening. He’s talking about kathleen now.
    I am confused the lawyer says stacy was pregnant when drew divorced kathleen, I though the wedding picture shows their son in the picture.

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    p://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=609860&spid=16521

  5. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Okay. I’ve googled for an hour, and I can finding NOTHING that says Mike Robinson appeared before the Peterson Grand Jury.
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    All I’ve come across so far is that he was asked by LE to take a lie detector test very early on and refused.

    I’ll keep looking too to see if there’s any GJ summons for him.

  6. Come on you guys. Humor me. Doesn’t anyone think it’s strange that every one under the sun has been before the GJ but Mike Robinson? WTH?

  7. thanks cfs

    ok so far on the interview around 14 min the lawyer says about a year after kathleens divorce stacy had contact this lawyer and refered some clients to him sounded like criminal not divorce matters.

  8. Ric Mims claims that Robinson was right there when the you-know-what hit the fan regarding SP’s disappearance. He supplied a cell phone to DP when his was confiscated by LE. He and DP were exchanging notes back and forth in front of Mims, so as not to speak out loud about anything, and he’s not been before the GJ that we know of?

  9. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Okay. I’ve googled for an hour, and I can finding NOTHING that says Mike Robinson appeared before the Peterson Grand Jury.
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    Can you find anything about Yelton living in the trailer at the Peterson’s at the time of Kathy’s death?

  10. resue…..don’t know if it’s accurate but, acandyrose shows on 1/17/08
    Michael Robinson issued subpoena to appear before the grand jury.

  11. I found something on acandyrose that says MR was issued a subpoena to appear, but nothing after that. When I try to get to the link, it’s no good (Fox)

  12. i would think that just because it wasn’t reported to the media that mike robinson testified doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. i have a gut feeling that when this thing goes to trial there is going to be a whole lot of new stuff we’re going to hear about.

  13. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    resue…..don’t know if it’s accurate but, acandyrose shows on 1/17/08
    Michael Robinson issued subpoena to appear before the grand jury.
    **************

    I find that too, but then a dead-end.

  14. It was in the Tribune:

    By Matthew Walberg | Tribune reporter
    11:32 PM CST, January 16, 2008

    Drew Peterson’s attorney said Wednesday that a racy message sent to Stacy Peterson’s cell phone in September shows she was having an affair and lends credence to the theory that the missing woman left her husband for another man.

    The cell phone—which attorney Joel Brodsky said Stacy replaced and gave to her teenage stepson shortly before she vanished Oct. 28—allegedly contained the text message sent from the Sprint Nextel Web site at 9:47 a.m. Sept. 20.

    In the steamy, two-sentence message, the anonymous author referred to Stacy as “my love” and thanked her for their wild physical activity the previous evening, according to a transcript provided to the Tribune by Brodsky.
    State police have named Drew Peterson, 53, a former Bolingbrook police sergeant, a suspect in his 23-year-old wife’s disappearance and have assigned dozens of agents to the search. Her relatives say they believe she would not have left without her children, and have said Stacy told them she was seeking a divorce and feared for her life.

    Drew Peterson has said she left him for another man.

    “Drew would like whoever sent this message to come forward,” Brodsky said. “And if they find out who sent it and that person is gone, then it’s likely that he and Stacy are together.”

    Brodsky said his client turned over the phone to state police Dec. 20 after discovering the message “locked or stored somehow” in the device. A private detective hired by Peterson tracked the message to the Sprint Nextel site.

    On Jan. 3, authorities obtained a search warrant seeking information that might identify the sender, according to a copy of the warrant.

    Charles Pelkie, spokesman for Will County State’s Atty. James Glasgow, declined to comment on the warrant and referred questions to police. State police Trooper Mark Dorencz would not reveal whether investigators were able to identify the sender.

    Pam Bosco, a spokeswoman for Stacy Peterson’s family, said police told her they have followed up on all of the missing woman’s phone records, and at this point do not believe she was having an affair.

    Sprint Nextel spokesman Dave DeVries said anyone can use the company’s Web site to text-message Sprint Nextel subscribers without being required to log in or open an account. He said he did not immediately know whether it was possible to find the source of such a message.

    Brodsky said his client was not the author. “We’re hoping [investigators] can trace the message,” he said. “We wouldn’t be that stupid to ask them to trace a message that would lead back to Drew.”

    The lawyer downplayed the idea that the text message might cast more suspicion on Peterson by providing another possible motive for Stacy’s disappearance. “You can have all the motives you want—motives don’t make you guilty,” he said.

    Meanwhile, a friend of Drew Peterson’s was released Wednesday from the Will County Adult Detention Facility after posting 10 percent of a $50,000 bail after he was accused of beating his ex-girlfriend and her friend, then allegedly threatening a witness.

    Michael J. Robinson, 34, of Bolingbrook was charged with felony intimidation, misdemeanor battery and domestic battery, according to police and court documents.

    Robinson was with the two women in an apartment complex elevator about 3:30 a.m. Monday when he quarreled with his ex-girlfriend, 32, over a phone call and began choking her, said Bolingbrook police Lt. Ken Teppel. When her friend, age 40, tried to intervene, Robinson allegedly punched her in the face, authorities said.

    Robinson dragged his ex-girlfriend and the friend into the apartment of a third woman and again tried to choke the ex-girlfriend, Teppel said, and when the friend tried to separate them, Robinson punched her in the face several times, knocking her to the floor. Robinson left, and when police arrived, they saw bruises and cuts on the friend’s face, Teppel said.

    Bolingbrook police sought a warrant for Robinson’s arrest on battery charges, but given his friendship with Peterson, Glasgow referred the case to state police, Teppel said. He said the charge of witness intimidation was not lodged by his department. Court records show the intimidation charge was lodged after Robinson was accused of calling the third woman and threatening to hurt her if she spoke to investigators.

    Robinson has a lengthy history of arrests on a variety of charges, including a 1993 conviction for unlawful delivery of a controlled substance for which he was sentenced to 4 years probation.

    His friendship with Peterson came to light after Ric Mims, a one-time friend of the former sergeant, told the National Enquirer that Robinson provided Peterson with a cell phone after police seized his old one as part of a search warrant. Mims said Peterson and Robinson behaved suspiciously, communicating in handwritten notes. Peterson said the only note passed contained his cell phone number.

    Peterson could not be reached for comment Wednesday but said last week he has known Robinson for nearly two decades. “He was just a kid on the street that I befriended, tried to keep him out of trouble,” Peterson said.

    mwalberg@tribune.com

  15. Isn’t it funny that we have to rely on eagle-eyed reporters to tell us who testifies at GJ, and yet those who testify are free to share their testimony afterwards?

  16. Rescueapet, they don’t need to call Mike R. to the GJ if they feel they already have enough evidence for a finding. They can just save his testimony for the trial.

    Now that should really tell Brodsky something.

  17. this interview with kathleen’s attorney is awesome in the second he states that the investigation of kathleens death that drew was not influencing ISP or even bbpd in the investigation. In otherwords drew was not calling in favors or being protected by LE regarding Kathleens death.
    so different that when has been touted since this started.

  18. It does seem odd that MR didn’t testify at GJ. My first instinct would be to think that they questioned him plenty when they arrested him for the battery charges, but then ISP questioned Kim M for two hours and she still had to go to GJ.

    Weird.

  19. iknoweverythinglol // June 3, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    Rescueapet, they don’t need to call Mike R. to the GJ if they feel they already have enough evidence for a finding. They can just save his testimony for the trial.

    Now that should really tell Brodsky something.
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    Really? You think? I would have thought that they’d be all over him.

  20. i dont believe Mr. Peterson needed to influence or ask for favors. He had control of the crime scene.. he is a police officer… and he controled the discovery.. he didnt have to ask anyone to look the other way.. he had them all looking in the direction he wanted them to look without ever asking..

    although maybe it was just poor police work.. because the fact that the phone records that the jury asked about and were told had been requested actually never had been.. was either a big mistake.. or a big on purpose mistake.. who knows which…

  21. freedom08 // June 3, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    this interview with kathleen’s attorney is awesome …..

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    freedom – I remember listening to that interview as it was happening. He, too, may have some interesting information that he shared, heh?

  22. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    resue…..don’t know if it’s accurate but, acandyrose shows on 1/17/08
    Michael Robinson issued subpoena to appear before the grand jury.
    ****************************

    Since there’s no official reporting of who is going to testify or when, I’m guessing that he did testify or…..will.

  23. although maybe it was just poor police work.. because the fact that the phone records that the jury asked about and were told had been requested actually never had been.. was either a big mistake.. or a big on purpose mistake.. who knows which…
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    I’m just glad that they have been subpoenaed since then so at least they are in ISP hands now.

  24. Is it possible that MR is doing a plea bargain in exchange for info and in so doing circumvents the GJ?

  25. maybe.. but can you tell me how to get caramel out of a car interior… because that i dont know..

  26. iknowwhatudont // June 3, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Mike has actually been called to the GJ twice….
    Once before the battery and once after.

    Interesting

  27. you would have to wonder how many preliminary hearings one person would need… the way things are going his brother will be sentenced well before he is…

  28. I’m trying to catch up with today’s posts. I posted this to the previous thread and wanted to bring it over – in response to rescueapet:

    I don’t remember ever hearing that Mike Robinson appeared before the grand jury.

    There are several others that I would expect to appear before the grand jury, but have not heard anything about.

    1. Mary – Kathleen Savios next door neighbor and best friend. She, along with her husband, were reported to be with Drew Peterson and Steve Carcerano in Kathleen’s house the night Kathleen’s body was found.

    It was reported that Mary’s husband testified before the grand jury, but no mention of Mary testifying.

    2. It was reported early on that a neighbor saw Drew Peterson and an unidentified man carrying a blue barrel/container from the house and load it into Drew’s Denali the evening of October 28th.

    I haven’t seen any mention of a neighbor testifying before the grand jury, that we haven’t heard of before.

    3. Tom Morphey – there’s been no mention of Tom testifying before the grand jury. It’s possible that he did testify by some sort of video link?

    I would think that all three of the above people would be important witnesses. Tom Morphey is a major witness, and the neighbor would back up his statements. I think Mary, the next door neighbor of Kathleen, may shed new light on the events surrounding finding Kathleen’s body.

  29. iknowwhatudont // June 3, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    maybe.. but can you tell me how to get caramel out of a car interior… because that i dont know..
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    Try hardening it with an ice cube like you would with gum? But keep in mind I still have a large spot of gum stuck to the underside of one of my sofa cushions.

  30. Meanwhile sources say police want Michael Robinson, a longtime friend of Drew Peterson’s, to take a polygraph.

    When asked why he would not take the polygraph, Robinson said, “I can tell you that when they start invading my personal life then I’m not going to take the polygraph.”

  31. one thing i gotta say..you can pick your friends.. but you cant pick your family..

    i do not have the exact dates… i will post them this evening..

  32. IKWUD – How do you know that MR appeared before the GJ? Nothing has ever been mentioned in the news about it.

    Molly – I thought Mary did appear before GJ.

    The mysterious barrel-seeing neighbor, yeah, I don’t remember seeing anything about a DP neighbor appearing either.

    Danya???????

  33. So funny on the gum, we all have something, eh? I’d go with the ice on the caramel.

    My poor husband and the EMTs had to deliver our 4th boy in the master bedroom, way short labor. Husband was left to clean up. Bottles of peroxide were recommended by the EMTs, plus a lot of water—–hence oxyclean. I bet the paras invented it. Also good on lake swimming dog ears (peroxide, not oxyclean)

  34. It did appear in the news that MR was called before the GJ twice… once before the battery and once after..

  35. IKWUD – I can’t find anything that says that he did appear. Only that he was subpoenaed to appear. I suppose that could mean the same thing, but there is no news about it that I can find. Nothing.

  36. Do you think they need to appear separately for the KS and the SP case? I think they are hearing a lot of cases lately.

  37. I found something on a Greta blog that Mary Pontarelli appeared before the GJ in the morning, and her husband appeared later on the same day. Nothing official that I found though.

    It’s driving me crazy that I can’t find anything about MRobinson.

  38. I recall reading about a neighbor & the neighbor’s son testifying……no names though…….guess it could have been Sharon & her son or maybe the school principal & his son……aren’t they neighbors too?

  39. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    I found something on a Greta blog that Mary Pontarelli appeared before the GJ in the morning, and her husband appeared later on the same day. Nothing official that I found though.
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    Thanks rescueapet…………I must have missed hearing that Mary testified. I did hear mention of her husband testifying though.

    I think Mary and her husband will be key witnesses in the KS case.

    The nieghbor who witnessed Drew and unknown man (later turned out to be TM), is also key in the Peterson case, as his testimony will back up TM’s testimony and possibly establish a time.

  40. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    I recall reading about a neighbor & the neighbor’s son testifying……no names though…….guess it could have been Sharon & her son or maybe the school principal & his son……aren’t they neighbors too?
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    I saw that, and got excited thinking it was the mystery neighbor who witnessed the barrel/container being moved. But it turned out to the school principal.

  41. g8 – Yes, a candyrose usually has everything and anything that involves the Peterson/Savio matters, but even it has nothing about Robinson’s appearances. Mary Pontarelli also, but I thought I remembered seeing that her husband, her and their son appeared. Don’t hold me to that, though.

    Danya will find out for us. She’ll let us know.

  42. lavandadolce // June 3, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 11:52 am

    cfs, thanks. At least you are understanding what I’m trying to get at.

    Its not popular, or in good taste to talk about the so-called victim, but in something as serious as this, everyone has to be looked at, and everyone surronding these people.

    They have picked apart the young lady drew was dating, they have picked apart his neighbor friend, they have picked apart his family, sons etc.

    Has anyone really had a deep, long discussion about Cassandra, Yelton, Bruce etc. No.
    _________________

    Actually, yes. And very inappropriate things stated, as well. In my opinion, anyhow. It almost borders sometimes on how the rape victim “asked for it” because she had cleavage showing. There should always be respect towards the victims. The victims are not only those that are lost and deceased…but those who loved them and are left behind. Nobody is free from skeletons in their closests. No family is free from “black sheep” and no family should have to be in pain in “not knowing” and then having to read “hypothetical assumptions” by those who do not even know them. Just my opinion.

  43. grandma210 // June 3, 2008 at 11:18 am

    I don’t believe she’s going to be ‘popping’ in to say anything, I don’t believe she is living. Underground, maybe. Cremated, maybe. Under water, maybe. But I believe she is deceased.
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    I’m with you Grandma210, I also believe the ISP , FBI and Police believe the same. Stacy is not in hiding, nor is she in a witness program. She is more than probably deceased

  44. Molly, You said “The nieghbor who witnessed Drew and unknown man (later turned out to be TM), is also key in the Peterson case, as his testimony will back up TM’s testimony and possibly establish a time.”
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    I also believe there is a lot more evidence that could exist that nobody is privy to..such as, was TM’s fingerprints in Drew’s vehicle when confiscated? That could help establish TM’s accounts of what occured. Also, don’t forget the coffee shop and the cell phone pings/towers and the park cell phone pings/towers. There are probably other things that they are privy to that we’ve never even thought of in regards to”evidence”. Wasn’t it already stated that residue from the blue barrels was in the SUV? Not sure if that was a police leak or rumor. However, that would be another possibility of evidence. I for one, believe TM. Drew just rushed too fast to the hospital to visit his stepbrother when it’s been said he’s never rushed when TM was in the rehab or hospitals before. Just another thought.

  45. Wasn’t the coffee house stuff just bad reporting?

    Didn’t they go back and look at tapes and Drew, nor TM were actually there?

  46. mollymcgee // June 3, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    I recall reading about a neighbor & the neighbor’s son testifying……no names though…….guess it could have been Sharon & her son or maybe the school principal & his son……aren’t they neighbors too?
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    I saw that, and got excited thinking it was the mystery neighbor who witnessed the barrel/container being moved. But it turned out to the school principal.
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    If that’s the case, Molly, that would also work “against Drew”. Remember, if it was the Principal who sited the barrel situation…he and his son were on friendly terms with the Peterson family. So much so that Drew’s son went to stay with the principal a few days after Stacy went “missing”.

  47. iknowwhatudont // June 3, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    one thing i gotta say..you can pick your friends.. but you cant pick your family..
    ________________________

    Very well stated.

  48. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Wasn’t the coffee house stuff just bad reporting?

    Didn’t they go back and look at tapes and Drew, nor TM were actually there?
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    The coffeehouse videotape that Mark Furhman obtained was bogus. But we do have statements from Tom’s friend and brother about Drew bringing Tom to a coffeehouse.

  49. O.K., so we’ve come up with a new idea to take care of the link problem. Apparently the spam blocker we have can learn to not catch comments if we keep manually approving a poster’s comments. The more comments that are manually approved, the quicker the program learns.

    So, here’s the new experiment…click on the link below and it will take you to random post we put up a while ago. Everyone that is having problems with posting links should post a ton (and by ton we mean maybe 10-15) of comments on the thread. Each comment should contain one or two links. We’ll then manually approve all of them, which should help the spam blocker learn that your comments are not spam.

    It may take a day or two for the spam blocker to learn but hopefully this will work as it has previously with one poster who had every single comment she put up blocked. After enough posts were manually approved, the blocker stopped filtering her comments.

    Please make sure to post these comments on the thread below and not on this one so we don’t fill this thread with useless links.
    Here’s the link:
    https://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/new-design/

  50. Gatehouse – those of us who aren’t having problems with links should just leave well enough alone, right?

  51. Correct, if your links are showing up then just ignore above comment. If, however, any of you begin having the same problem in the future, go to that thread, or any thread that doesn’t have a lot of comments and just start posting a ton of comments with links. In one of your comments, let us know that you’re doing this and we’ll go approve them.

  52. lavandadolce // June 3, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Molly, You said “The nieghbor who witnessed Drew and unknown man (later turned out to be TM), is also key in the Peterson case, as his testimony will back up TM’s testimony and possibly establish a time.”
    _____________________

    I also believe there is a lot more evidence that could exist that nobody is privy to..such as, was TM’s fingerprints in Drew’s vehicle when confiscated? That could help establish TM’s accounts of what occured. Also, don’t forget the coffee shop and the cell phone pings/towers and the park cell phone pings/towers. There are probably other things that they are privy to that we’ve never even thought of in regards to”evidence”. Wasn’t it already stated that residue from the blue barrels was in the SUV? Not sure if that was a police leak or rumor. However, that would be another possibility of evidence. I for one, believe TM. Drew just rushed too fast to the hospital to visit his stepbrother when it’s been said he’s never rushed when TM was in the rehab or hospitals before. Just another thought.

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    You bring up some very good points!

    I didn’t think of TM’s finger prints in Drew’s Denali, but you’re right, his prints could be there.

    Cell phone pings will also help corroborate TM’s statement about the events of that evening.

    At the time Drew was petitioning the court for the return of his cars and computers, there was an article that stated that police found blue fibers in the Denali that was consistent with a plastic container.

    I too have wondered about Drew’s rush to the hospital to visit a relative that tried to commit suicide. This happened just two or three days after Stacy disappeared. He asked Sharon to babysit, telling her that this relative had been a long-term addict, an alcoholic, etc., thus setting the stage for character assassination of Tom Morphey.

    I’ve wondered if Drew’s purpose for that visit was to threaten and intimidate Tom. Drew may have made incriminating statements to Tom too, confirming Tom’s suspicion of what was in that container.

  53. I’d like to add that we don’t know how the conversation proceeded at the coffeehouse. At one time, I thought it seemed like Drew may have disclosed some of what was really going on in that conversation. If he did, and Tom told this to ISP then it even more justifies the protective custody.

  54. Speaking of fingerprints……wonder if Mike Robinson’s prints were found in Stacy’s car. I’m not clear if was verified/is a fact that MR went with DP to retrieve Stacy’s car from Clow or it was just a rumor circulating……..anyone know?

  55. I had forgotten about this detail:

    Friend: Peterson confronted stepbrother about spreading story
    Associated Press – November 28, 2007 3:14 PM ET

    BOLINGBROOK, Ill. (AP) – …

    Peterson’s friend, Steve Carcerano, also says Peterson told him he phoned the stepbrother and confronted him about why he was spreading the false story.

  56. Somewhere along the line, that car was first retrieved from the airport and “stashed” somewhere, which is then when DP and his son, Stephen, went and retrieved it from there. That, according to Ric Mims.

    How it got to the airport in the first place is the $10,000 question, along with how it then got from the airport to another location before it was returned home.

    Are ya keeping track of all this??????

  57. I don’t think what I was getting at was clear with my post above……i’m wondering if when DP was questioned by LE he didn’t mention MR as having anything to do with retrieving Stacy’s car from Clow……yet later MR’s fingerprints might have been discovered in/on the car…..am I making one bit of sense?

  58. Can someone help me with this? I thought Morphey’s wife was supposed to have disappeared…but she made a statement to the press? Is this wife #2?

    “November 27, 2007
    BY JOE HOSEY Herald News

    One of Drew Peterson’s relatives overdosed on pills after helping the former Bolingbrook police sergeant load a large barrel into Peterson’s SUV the day Stacy Peterson vanished, a police source said Tuesday.

    Thomas Morphey, a step-brother, was hospitalized but survived what the source described as a suicide attempt. Morphey’s wife called police, saying her husband heard of the disappearance, became distraught and feared he might have unwittingly helped dispose of Drew Peterson’s wife’s body, the source said.”

  59. G8tr – I don’t think LE would tell us anything about what prints were discovered. I think they would save that for the courtroom if they have anything.

  60. So DP’s story is that Stacy drove the car to Clow and he & Stephen went to get it after she supposedly called him?

  61. facsmiley // June 3, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    I’d like to add that we don’t know how the conversation proceeded at the coffeehouse. At one time, I thought it seemed like Drew may have disclosed some of what was really going on in that conversation. If he did, and Tom told this to ISP then it even more justifies the protective custody.

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    A good point! Drew could have used his time with Tom to tell him that he and Stacy had an argument earlier that day.

    Drew had to have told Tom something that led Tom to make the statement to Walter Martineck that he thought he just helped move Stacy’s body.

    A person wouldn’t normally make an assumption like that unless the possibility had been raised in his mind by earlier comments.

  62. It will get interesting if Stephen’s prints aren’t on the car and Robinson’s are. Have any of y’all read posts saying rumor is Mike Robinson was involved with moving SP’s car back and forth between their house & Clow? I can’t remember specifically where and when I read that……heck, who knows, maybe my memory is playing nasty little tricks on me 😀

  63. facsmiley // June 3, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    G8tr – I don’t think LE would tell us anything about what prints were discovered. I think they would save that for the courtroom if they have anything.
    ===========================
    Yeah, I know…….guess I’m just speculating about evidence that could come up at trial…….assuming there is a trial, of course.

  64. Tom Morphey’s wife had been out of contact with him. She is alive and well. Or so we were told on FSP.

    The woman referred to as his wife is his girlfriend of many years. I can’t remember how long but this I also read on FSP.

  65. I guess the “girlfriend” is probably his common law wife by now … at least that is the impression I had when I read the posts on FSP.

  66. Well, she was missing in the sense that Tom didn’t know where she was. He hadn’t spoken to her in the last 10 years or so, if I remember right.

    ISP located her and she is alive and well.

    I know that Joel said that Tom Morphey’s wife had disappeared and that nobody knew where she was, but that was just Drew that didn’t know … I guess. Maybe the PIs hadn’t found her either …

  67. People Who Have Testified Before the GJ:
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    11/07
    Drew Peterson
    Alex Morelli
    Paul Peterson
    Keith Rossetto
    Scott Rossetto
    Steven Carcerano
    Richard Mims (3 times total)
    Stephen Peterson (4 times total)

    12/07
    Richard Mims (2nd & 3rd times)
    Stephen Peterson (2nd time)

    1/08
    Sharon Bychowski
    Thomas Pontarelli
    Mary Pontarelli
    Nick Pontarelli
    Mike Robinson*********************
    Bruce Zidarich
    Cassandra Cales
    Mike Robinson (2nd GJ subpoena while he’s in jail)
    The Savio-Peterson WILL

    2/08
    Anthony Rock

    3/08
    Betty Morphey
    Albert Morphey
    Neil Schori
    Dr. Larry Blum

    4/08
    Kyle Piry
    Vicki Connolly
    Walter Martineck
    John Morphey
    James Morphey

    5/08
    Anthony Cales
    James Mitchum
    Kevin Mitchum
    Susan Doman
    Lisa Ward
    Steve Maniaci
    Anna Doman
    Richard Berg
    Melissa Doman
    Kim Matuska

  68. Well, golblast it!!! I keep trying to post a complete list of who and when people testified before the GJ and this damn post isn’t getting posted. What the heck is going on here?

  69. OK, now THAT was weird. I tried to post this sucker at least 4 times, and nada. Now, it’s above my post complaining about not being able to post…

    I’m *really* starting to loathe computers…

  70. Oh, thank you so much, Gatehouse!!! For sec there, I wondered if I forgot to make a trip to the corner… 🙂

  71. Regarding Tom Morphey’s prints being inside DP’s Denali-

    Sounds like a good idea, but worth nada, nil, zilch, zero.

    DP would just claim that of course his step-bro’s finger prints are in his car! Why *wouldn’t* they be? It’s DP’s car, and DP “always” drives it, and of course Tom’s been in it lots of times, blah blah blah…

    I think it would be much more curious and damning if Tom’s prints *weren’t* found in the car. In fact, I’m wondering how many, *if any*, prints they got out of Stacy’s car and his car.

    Now, THAT would be another big red flag…

    Well, at least to me it would be… 🙂

    See what I mean?

  72. Meh, still on the bucky beaver dam antibiotics, which of course make me feel like shitake mushrooms…

    How’s you?

  73. facsmiley // June 3, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Can someone help me with this? I thought Morphey’s wife was supposed to have disappeared…but she made a statement to the press? Is this wife #2?
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    Supposedly, family of TM stated on FSP that his wife was located by the ISP. The comment above was indeed wife #2. However, Brodsky stated at SYM that TM’s wife indeed has disappeared many years ago and never found. Thus, it’s speculation that maybe Drew did not know that the ISP located her and that is why Brodsky didn’t know.

  74. Well, Drew was a neatnik when it came to the cars. I remember laughing at him because Joel commented on the “condition” the cars were in. He said something like once Drew cleaned them up, they’d be fine.

    Oh that my car would be so clean. Two kids … not.

  75. So whats the story about TM’s wife then.

    Didn’t he file a missing person’s report on her when she went missing?

    Did he legally get a divorce from her, somehow?

  76. In other words, a very juvenille attempt to be clever by tossing another red herring into a case that already has enough friggin’ fish to make herring stew for all the residents of Tierra Del Fuego, as well as their pets…

  77. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Somewhere along the line, that car was first retrieved from the airport and “stashed” somewhere, which is then when DP and his son, Stephen, went and retrieved it from there. That, according to Ric Mims.

    How it got to the airport in the first place is the $10,000 question, along with how it then got from the airport to another location before it was returned home.

    Are ya keeping track of all this??????

    ****************************

    I have a theory………………

    Sharon Bychowski reported that she left to run errands about 9:40am on Sunday, October 28th, and noted that both cars, Stacy’s and Drew’s, were in the driveway when she left. She stated that when she came home, about 11:30am, Stacy’s car was gone.

    Something happened to Stacy in the master bedroom that morning. Stacy was on her cell phone to Bruce Zidarich from about 10:00am to 10:15am or 10:28am (conflicting times reported). So, whatever happened to Stacy occurred between 10:30am and 11:30am.

    Drew would immediately be confronted with the problem of getting Stacy out of the house before the children started asking questions.

    He could have made sure the children were occupied in another area of the house, and taken Stacy out the front door or garage door, placed her in her car, and then drove the car to Clow airport, which was just around the corner, about a 5 minute walk away. He then could have walked home.

    With Stacy’s car gone from the driveway, it would support his story that she left and went to her grandpa’s.

    If you check out the pictures I posted at my forum, there’s an interior picture of Drew and Christopher standing by the front door. Note that the staircase is within a few feet of the front door.

    Drew certainly couldn’t carry a body out the front door for risk of being spotted by neighbors, but if he had her wrapped in bedding, or in a large duffle-type bag, he could pass it off as taking items for dry cleaning to the car.

    Here’s a link to my forum:
    http://peaveysplace.yuku.com/directory

    Click on Criminal Case Discussion, and there’s two threads of pictures. The thread that has the picture of Drew and Christopher by the staircase is on the thread titled, “Drew Peterson Pictures.”

  78. basherette // June 3, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Regarding Tom Morphey’s prints being inside DP’s Denali-

    Sounds like a good idea, but worth nada, nil, zilch, zero.

    DP would just claim that of course his step-bro’s finger prints are in his car! Why *wouldn’t* they be? It’s DP’s car, and DP “always” drives it, and of course Tom’s been in it lots of times, blah blah blah…
    _______________

    It would indeed be very important. Remember, prints on top of prints occurs in people’s cars. Fresh prints are most recent. I’m wagering a bet that DP rarely if ever took TM in his Denali. I think they just had a here and there type of stepbrother relationship. That’s the impression I got….and fact is, Drew would have “incriminated himself” in that aspect by going on and on about how TM was a drug addict and this and that. Yet, never a nary word stated by Drew about Mike Robinson. The jury would see the picture pretty clear. I think those prints are very important. If they exist. (AND yes…it could work both ways. IF there were NO prints, or wiped down…that would certainly point to some serious issues for Drew, as well.)

  79. So are you saying he kept her in her car at the airport until sometime later, then moved her?

  80. Here’s the thing, though with TMorphey. Of all the people, why would DP call him? Why not his own brother, who was immediately by his side when this whole thing went bezerk? SCarcerano, RMims, even MRobinson. Why TMorphey?????

    Is it because TMorphey was easy prey for him to discredit if the need arised? Someone who, also would follow his instructions without asking a lot of questions?

    Wonder what TMorphey’s relationship with DPeterson was in the last year or two? See each other occasionally, or more than that?

  81. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    So are you saying he kept her in her car at the airport until sometime later, then moved her?
    ______________-

    I imagine that’s possible. In a duffle bag. (he had scuba gear. Those bags are huge!) Left her in the trunk of her car. Came back and got Denali…got her out of trunk (still in duffle bag) and took her somewhere else. Got rid of her cell phone , perhaps in that pond that they were searching. Got rid of the laptop that contained “who knows what”…got to planning his story…decided to throw the case off by calling TM and lifting the blue barrel/tote in full view of neighbors…which probably was warm as it was near a heater vent/radiator…probably full of nothing of any importance. loaded that in the Denali…took it somewhere. (maybe his storage locker to unload contents)….got rid of tote/barrel. Checked on body in duffle bag…came back….left next morn on motorcycle….rented a truck or car or something…got duffle bag from storage locker and proceeded to be gone the 3 days. My guess is she is nowhere near BB Illinios. I’ve always felt Arizona. That’s where they were looking for houses. That’s where “she wanted to be” at his retirement.

  82. But if he had TM help him with the barrel, and nothing was really in it, meaning Stacy wasnt in there, why wouldnt he just bring it back to the house after he got rid of whatever was in it?

    I’m confused why he would want the barrel to be “missing?”

  83. Is it because TMorphey was easy prey for him to discredit if the need arised? Someone who, also would follow his instructions without asking a lot of questions?

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    Absolutely positively the reason. Tom seemed to be very intimidated by Drew, probably not the wisest…naive of sorts…and more than probably…very gullible. SteveC has a wife who would/could ruin any of Drew’s plans. Rick Mims is a talker….and Mike Robinson had a record and would be immediately suspect. Hence…the perfect scapegoat to help him……..Tom Morphey.

  84. Well, that’s what I think. Remember, he got that 2:30AM call from Bruce + the “head’s up!” phone call from BBPD that his wife had ben reported missing.

    At this time, DP has *NO* published and confrmed by LE alibi for the time period from after 1:30PMish Sunday to 5PM Monday- plenty of time to stash & move a body or get someone else to move/stash it for him.

    Dis is why da timeline is so beaver dam critical.

  85. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    But if he had TM help him with the barrel, and nothing was really in it, meaning Stacy wasnt in there, why wouldnt he just bring it back to the house after he got rid of whatever was in it?

    I’m confused why he would want the barrel to be “missing?”
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    My guess, if I’m right with my hypothesis, to throw the case off. To focus on searching for blue barrels. For that matter…any one of those barrels that was pulled out by Roy could indeed BE THE blue barrel. Whose to know? Everyone is thinking of looking for a body in a blue barrel. NO WAY would he have done that. No way of convincing me of that anyhow. However….if I’m right….it worked. Everyone focused on body in blue barrel.

  86. Psssst, Rescue- remember this?

    basherette // May 23, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    I think the nightstand and anything else that could be incriminating to DP went into that tote.

    How much would that dismantled nightstand weigh? Add some other things, like, oh say a bikini,
    a passport, purse, maybe some bedding/towels/the clothing she had on covered with DNA evidence,
    set it on the floor next to the heat register, and what have ya got?

    A heavy tote that’s warm to the touch.

    I think he put Stacy under the bed or in the bathtub (door locked to keep kids out), or closet
    after the big fight- dead or alive.

    Sharon calls, says “I got suckers!”, DP sees an opportunity, and seizes it. Drop kids off, kill
    Stacy (if she’s not already dead), stick body in trunk of HER car, remove the battery from her
    cell (or turns it off)toss her laptop into the pond(*see below), go back next door to retrieve
    kids, then home to try and sleep/think/plan/calm down/etc.

    15 minutes, folks. Time it. If she wasn’t already dead by 1PM, death by asphyxiation takes very
    little time to accomplish if someone is tied up or been tasered. Breaking the neck takes less
    time than sneezing.

    Know what just happened?

    Sharon has just given him an “alibi”.

    And then there’s Tom, G*d help him. DP calls him up, gets him to help move the tote out of the
    bedroom to the Denali. Why?

    Big, strong, macho cop needs help to move something out of his bedroom to the Denali that
    weighs just a little more than Stacy (if we go by the description Tom gave)? You’ve gotta be
    kidding me. He picked up perps bigger than that for 29 years- you REALLY think he’s gonna go
    all weepy and claim he doesn’t have the strength to move that tote? All he had to do is slide
    the sucker down the darn stairs and out the door!

    Nope, he *didn’t* need help moving that tote- what he DID need help with was setting up one
    whopper of a red herrring with the blue barrel/tote and cell phones. And who better to set up
    than his trusting, gullible, ex-wino/druggie, slightly mentally/emotionally unstable stepbrother,
    Tom? What a set-up! Once people know Stacy’s missing, it won’t take long for that wind to get
    back to Tom, who will then inadvertantly believe that he helped “get rid of her”, and spill his
    guts about the tote/barrel and cell calls- thus tossing that whopper of a red herring to LE, who
    grab it like a baton and run like heck with it nationally. Now the FBI, ISP and everybody’s
    granny is out looking for blue barrels and blue totes near every single place triangulated from
    where those cell phones pinged… and, of course, that’s *not* where he hid Stacy’s body.

    Of course, what DP *didn’t* forsee was that Tom isn’t as stupid as DP thought he was. Tom
    mistakenly believes that Stacy is in the tote, cause it’s warm (heat register) and weighs about
    the same (dismantled nightstand, laptop, etc.). Instead of going on his obliviously merry way
    back home like DP expected him to, Tom does some math in his head and comes to believe that he
    just helped DP- calls up his friend, talks to him, talks to his brother John (think that’s his
    name… or maybe Joe) and then tries to check out of the hotel of life by overdosing. Everything
    gets spilled before DP thought it would.

    Then, of course, you have Cassandra. She and Stacy aren’t like typical sisters who talk once
    every 6 months and see each other once a year at an uncomfortable family Christmas gathering-
    they’re best buddies and very active in each other’s life- especially since their mum went
    missing and 3 sisters died, dad drowns his troubles, and brother got sent to the big house for
    schtupping a lass in a training bra selling Girl Scout cookies. These girls are like glue. Maybe
    not the most brightest lightbulbs on the planet, but we can’t all be like DP, can we?

    So Cass blows off the painting that morning, chats on MySpace, grabs a bite and then calls up
    sis. No ringing- goes straight to voice mail(**see below). Hurm- that’s weird. Tries again
    later. And again. And again. Nada. Calls around to family and friends trying to track sis down.
    Nada. Calls her again. Same result. Getting more worried as the minutes, then hours pass.
    Finally comes up with a half-arsed excuse to head over to her sis’ house at an ung*dly 11 at
    night, and finds the kids still up and no DP. Cass gets the lowdown from one of the teen boys,
    then calls DP. You all know how that conversation went. Well, guess what? Cass can do math like
    Tom too- so she hightails it over to the ISP, cause she doesn’t think BBPD can take it if it
    involves one of their own, to file the first MP report. They won’t take it at ISP, though- she
    gets sent back to BB to file it with the local PD.

    Now, DP was kinda counting on having a little more time than he was given before the word got
    out about Stacy missing, so all this throws a slight wrench into his plans. But hey! He can get
    it all straightened out over the weekend- 3 day trip anyone?

    * He had to toss SOMETHIGN into that pond after coming in contact with Stacy’s dead body, or
    the cadaver dogs wouldn’t have had a hit there. Could be anything- I just used the missing laptop
    as an example. Nother way to get rid of a laptop quick? Leave it at a busy bus stop later on that
    afternoon/evening. Sucker would be gone in less than a minute.

    ** Now, obviously, I do NOT have access to the phone records, so this is just supposition on my
    part. Thus, I do not know that it went to voice mail, or kept ringing and then went to voice mail.
    Usually after a phone rings and goes to VM and the first message is left, the phone will thereafter
    continue to go straight to VM, with or without 1 or 2 rings beforehand.

  87. Drew is no dummy. He knows the ISP and the State of IL is not going to fingerprint everysingle blue barrel they find hoping to find his on it. Thus…the blue barrel, imo, is to throw the case off. Throw off as to what to REALLY look for. A body W/O a blue barrel. Course searches have gone on for a body in fields, etc. However, again…no way , in my opinion, is she anywhere in or near BB or that section of IL. THREE days for him to be gone is a long time. He had enough time to get to many places and again…my guess is Arizona because it has many desolate area’s and he’s already experienced the region during his house searching. AZ is my guess.

  88. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    So are you saying he kept her in her car at the airport until sometime later, then moved her?

    *****************************

    I think moving Stacy and her car to the airport would have been done as an immediate solution to getting her out of the house.

    When Drew took the children over to Sharons at about 1:00pm and asked her to babysit while he ran a quick errand, he could have returned to Clow airport and moved the car again, somewhere else nearby.

    We don’t know what Drew did from 1:30pm until later that evening when he picked up his step-brother, Tom Morphey.

    So we have a big time gap in which he could have moved her car again.

    If this was the case, what did Tom Morphey help Drew move later that evening? That could have been almost anything – evidence? Perhaps Drew intended for Tom to be suspicious and thus create a “red herring.”

  89. It seems like a lot of planning, if what some are saying, he didnt intent on killing her.

    So if that is the case, he didnt intend on killing her, and now he has to come up with all these plans quickly, meanwhile watching the children and caring for them.

  90. I believe that Tom Morphey was divorced from his first wife, but nothing about that is in my posts from FSP. Sorry.

    Bash, do you know what time Drew went to the airport to put stickers on his plane. Sorry … I have completely spaced the name of that airport. I know it isn’t Clow.

  91. Im just trying to grasp this. Im going to try to be more open….;)

    You’ve all had months to figure this out, could he have done it so quickly?

  92. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    It seems like a lot of planning, if what some are saying, he didnt intent on killing her.

    So if that is the case, he didnt intend on killing her, and now he has to come up with all these plans quickly, meanwhile watching the children and caring for them.
    _____________\

    I’m not sure? On one hand, I believe he planned it for a bit of time but it just got put into the works the very morning it occured….a bit earlier than anticipated? Here is why I believe it was planned. I believe he knew Stacy was going to file for divorce. I believe he told her “if you think you are getting the kids, the house or anything…you’re nuts”….and I believe she said “And if you don’t give me what I want…I will spill my guts about Kathleen”. Hence………..the plan began. Need to have Stacy “disappear”. She would not only ruin “his” life, take “his” belongings, “his” kids, but more importantly….his social status as a cop would be ruined and he would lose his pension. Yes….Stacy was a huge problem to Drew. And then she comes up missing.

  93. I’m not too sure about how much “watching and caring for the children” he actuallt did. The little ones had stuff to play with, and the older 2 could have just been told to keep an eye on their siblings while they went about doing their teenage boy stuff (computer/video games/movies/whatever). So DP would have been able to take several hours time or more to think about his options and make plans accordingly.

    The crime may have been accidentally accelerated timing wise, but the clean up afterwards was prtty darn meticulous. At least in his head, that is.

  94. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Im just trying to grasp this. Im going to try to be more open….

    You’ve all had months to figure this out, could he have done it so quickly?
    ________________-

    I believe the plan was in the works since August when she went to the Pastor. I believe his first “method of operation” was to “win her back”…hence the diamond ring, sweet talking…hoping to convert her back from contemplating leaving. When that didn’t work….the above scenario I gave became into effect.

  95. I can tell you right now, I could walk past my 18 and 13 year old son with a huge duffel bag as they were playing the WII in the family room and go right out to the car and neither would think a second thought. For that matter….a rubbish bag wouldn’t catch their attention either. Heck, Drew could have put the duffel bag in a rubbish bag and even hollered at the kids…”how many times you going to step over this before one of you take it out to the trash?” Seen this happen at my house….all too often. LOL

  96. Let, I believe that the Morphey brother who posted (sorry, Morph is all I got in my head) said they’d been divorced and Tom just did not keep in touch with her.

    This is something that is from my posts. Won’t put name of person I’m quoting. Have no idea if she posts here. This was from a list of the “missing and dead” in Drew’s life …

    4. FEMALE – NAME UNKNOWN-*DEAD WIFE OF DREW’S STEP-BRO TOM MORPHEY

    This is my response:
    I think this has been proven incorrect also. Tom’s wife had been referred to as “missing” but has been located. He just did not know where she was living.
    _____________
    Nothing about the divorce, that’s just in my head. With a lot of other stuff.

  97. lavandadolce // June 3, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    I can tell you right now, I could walk past my 18 and 13 year old son with a huge duffel bag as they were playing the WII in the family room and go right out to the car and neither would think a second thought. For that matter….a rubbish bag wouldn’t catch their attention either. Heck, Drew could have put the duffel bag in a rubbish bag and even hollered at the kids…”how many times you going to step over this before one of you take it out to the trash?” Seen this happen at my house….all too often. LOL
    _______________
    Do you dispose of bodies often at your house, Lavanda? 😀

  98. I can understand the teenagers being clueless, if they are involved in something forget getting their attention, but the younger ones would need some attention, wouldnt they?

    I would think it would and could get nerve racking, if you have just killed your wife, the teeenagers are clueless and the little ones want lunch etc.

  99. Noway, this case is so confusing, seriously….lol.

    Is he married, is he divorced, is she missing, is she not….lol.

  100. Noway406,

    According to Rick Mims’ 1/28/08 interview on the Morning Show with Mike and Julie:

    DP went to Cushing Field on the day Stacy went missing (10/28/07) to apply FAA stickers to his ultralight plane, even though the old ones didn’t expire until 1/08.

    Link:

    http://ww w.mandjshow.com/videos/long-time-friend-of-drew-peterson-speaks-out/

  101. I think when he moved her car to Clow she wasn’t in it……I think he had to move it somewhere just to get it out of the driveway….his story is that she left to go somewhere (still not sure where that was but anyway)….so her car couldn’t be there.

    I think her body was moved when Morphey came to the house. While the kids were having candy at SB’s house he was, and I can’t think of an easier way to say this right now but, packing her body and trying to figure out what he was going to do with it.

    I don’t think SP had been dead very long when SB invited the kids over….and I don’t DP had a clue what he was gonna do about anything at that point…..probably running on pure adrenalin. I don’t think he had planned on killing her at the time it happened.

  102. Do any of you remember clearly what Ric M was like in the first day or so?

    The guy was clearly on something, or loaded. I really question what he really remember, and how much his memory improved with a fat check….I dont know anymore.

  103. You’re forgetting that GP *wasn’t* their primary caregiver- Stacy was. So the little ones (and probably the teens too) were *used* to not being paid too much attention by their Pop- he was working a 5PM to 5AM shift. They had school. How often do you think they saw and actually interacted with them?

  104. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    But if he had TM help him with the barrel, and nothing was really in it, meaning Stacy wasnt in there, why wouldnt he just bring it back to the house after he got rid of whatever was in it?

    I’m confused why he would want the barrel to be “missing?”

    *****************************

    If Tom Morphey talked about moving a blue barrel/container, it would then point investigators in another direction…..looking for a blue barrel.

  105. Do you dispose of bodies often at your house, Lavanda?

    ___________________

    LOL. I tell ya….every night I pull the rubbish bag out of the kitchen rubbish container and tie it up and set it at the top of the stairs that leads downstairs past the family room. Hoping one of the boys will take it out to the garage and put it in the barrel. They just walk right on by. Fact is…if they do it without being told….I would be shocked!!

  106. Bash –

    If he was the only adult in the home that day, he would have had to pay attention to them. Just because a man works, doesnt mean he isnt involved in their lifes, even on a day to day bases.

    So Mommy’s not home….Daddy will make lunch, whatever their needs were.

  107. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    I can understand the teenagers being clueless, if they are involved in something forget getting their attention, but the younger ones would need some attention, wouldnt they?

    I would think it would and could get nerve racking, if you have just killed your wife, the teeenagers are clueless and the little ones want lunch etc.
    _______________

    LOL. He probably sat them down with a box of oreo’s to keep em distracted.

  108. I want to now how Stacy trained her children to let her loll in bed until 10:30 … mine are up at by 8 a.m. every day. Most days it’s much earlier … I consider 8 a.m. a sleep-in.

  109. Why would she leave the children in Drew’s care if he worked all night and needed to get some sleep…..seems like she would bring them with her…..wherever she was supposedly going.

  110. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Bash –

    If he was the only adult in the home that day, he would have had to pay attention to them. Just because a man works, doesnt mean he isnt involved in their lifes, even on a day to day bases.

    So Mommy’s not home….Daddy will make lunch, whatever their needs were.
    _________________

    You’ve obviously have never been to my stepson’s house. 😦

  111. Lavanda, no I havent….lol.

    But I have been to other homes where Dads are working crazy hours, and they still know whats going on in the kids lives, and could handle it for a day if need be….lol.

  112. noway406 // June 3, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    I want to now how Stacy trained her children to let her loll in bed until 10:30 … mine are up at by 8 a.m. every day. Most days it’s much earlier … I consider 8 a.m. a sleep-in.
    _____________-

    I hear ya. 6am here. When all three of mine were young….8:30 pm was bedtime and 7:30 am they woke up. Also…all three always napped. Well..no, I shouldn’t say that….my youngest only napped until he was about 7. After that…he would read or have quiet time at nap time.

  113. From the texts with Bruce, I thought Stacy said she was bringing the kids with her.

    The little one was 2 when Stacy went missing but has since had a birthday.

    Oh … now my avatar is jumping in and out. It’s a pic of my little girl peaking through a pipe at a ore mine (fieldtrip with older brother). It’s funny that she found it … nobody else noticed it because it was so low to the ground. Like her.

  114. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Why would she leave the children in Drew’s care if he worked all night and needed to get some sleep…..seems like she would bring them with her…..wherever she was supposedly going.
    ______________-

    Good point. If I remember, he called off work too. So that means he had intentions to work that day…until all changed. Stacy ok’d to help paint…so perhaps her intentions was to bring the children with her?

  115. I realize that. But on *that* day, he could have told the teens to make lunch for all the kids.

    He would get home around 5:30-6AM, sleep until the early afternoon, and then had to be at work by 5PM.

    Little ones would be asleep whe he got home, then he’d be asleep while they were awake during the day (and you can bet your sweet bippy that Stacy would have tried to keep them quiet so their Pop could sleep), and then he’d be up and getting ready to go to work a couple hours before the little ones’ bedtime.

    With the teens in school, they would have had even less time with him because of their extra-curricular activities (wrestling, band), so they most likely only got a few hours with him a week.

    That’s all I was saying. Not saying that dads don’t spend time with their children, just pointing out what the routine at the Peterson home was likely to be during the time Stacy vanished.

  116. After DP had TMorphey help him move whatever it was they moved, what exactly did DP expect to happen next?

    Are we to think that everyone in DP’s little world would just scatter and believe everything he said? Why wouldn’t he begin to think that Cassandra would go ballistic upon hearing that her sister took off for the beach with a bikini in hand? Wouldn’t he have thought he’d be an immediate suspect because he’s the husband? Aren’t husbands the first ones looked at in situations like this?

    Did DP figure the cops would do the usual search and seize, but didn’t think he had anything to worry about, or did he honestly believe this would all just go away in a few days?

    See, that’s what I can’t figure out. Is this guy so nuts that he lives in his own dream world and doesn’t think five minutes ahead what’s going to happen next, or is he so methodical and calculated that he planned another perfect crime?

    Which is it?

  117. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Lavanda, no I havent….lol.

    But I have been to other homes where Dads are working crazy hours, and they still know whats going on in the kids lives, and could handle it for a day if need be….lol.
    _____________-

    No doubt. That is how my husband is. Don’t know where his son get’s it from…but I think the roof could cave before he see’s what his kids are doing…and as for eating, well….it’s “grab and get” at his place. Totally has my husband upset all the time because his son is old enough to know better and he didn’t raise him like that. Sigh. Well..that’s another whole forum in itself! LOL

  118. Bash, if Stacy was laying in bed texting, she wasn’t trying to keep the kids quiet so Pop could sleep.

    Where were they? In the care of the older ones? There is no way I’d leave my 2 year old wandering the house by herself. She’s too adventurous … who knows what she’d try.

  119. I believe the actual killing was an “in the heat of the moment” act- but that the clean up afterwards *was* very methodical.

  120. IF Stacy left on her own, those kids had to have heard her or seen her.

    So why won’t Drew let them testify?

    Doubt he really cares about how they are traumatized … out looking for a new mommy for them …

  121. Bash, I think the “fat check” and Ric Mimms refers to the National Enquirer article.

    Just a guess.

  122. rescue….I think he realized all of those things you stated but, at that point it didn’t matter anymore……it was too late…….I think he just took his best shot at the time…..know what I mean?

  123. iknoweverythinglol // June 3, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Freedom, how would that lawyer know what drew was doing behind the scenes?
    —-

    if you listen to the interview he explains how he arrived at that conclusion and that was by speaking to those in LE that looked into her death initially.

    guys you can’t just leave a body in a house or car for any length of time even in a duffle bag without leaving lots of evidence and the cadaver dogs going crazy. Look up what happens to a body within even the first hour of death.
    So maybe she did leave the house and he followed her and killed her elsewhere.
    Had he killed her in the house and left her there or even in the car he would already have been arrested because there would have been lots of dna evidence. IMO

  124. Rescue, You said: “See, that’s what I can’t figure out. Is this guy so nuts that he lives in his own dream world and doesn’t think five minutes ahead what’s going to happen next, or is he so methodical and calculated that he planned another perfect crime?”
    _____________________

    I believe Drew believes he is above the intelligence of anyone and everyone around him. Seems “intelligence” is an important thing to him…especially when he mentioned how he and Kathleen used to have “i’m smarter than you” conversations. I think Drew honestly did not foresee the attention to this case. I think he felt it would be handled very similar to TM’s wife who “went missing”. Young wife has “affairs” couldn’t handle children and off she went.

  125. By the way, his intelligence is definetly questionable when he decided to keep Brodsky as his attorney. LOL

  126. Key word there, Noway406: *IF*

    But honestly, even if Stacy was still in bed w/DP at 10:30AMish, she might have gotten up with the kids earlier, told the older two to watch the little ones, and then went back to bed.

    She *was* wearing a red jogging suit (according to LE’s missing person report, but they got that info from DP) at the time. Now, I have no way of knowing what, if anything, she wore to sleep, but if she was dressed, then I believe that she prolly got up, told the teens to take care of the wee ones, and then went back to bed.

    Wouldn’t be the first time a mom has done that.

  127. guys you can’t just leave a body in a house or car for any length of time even in a duffle bag without leaving lots of evidence and the cadaver dogs going crazy. Look up what happens to a body within even the first hour of death.
    So maybe she did leave the house and he followed her and killed her elsewhere.
    Had he killed her in the house and left her there or even in the car he would already have been arrested because there would have been lots of dna evidence. IMO
    _______________

    There would be more evidence in a home by a mere sneeze then there would be by a strangulation of suffocation. A dog is not going to pick up a suffication when no dna is expelled and the body immediately removed. The most that would be expelled would be saliva on a pillow and at that…even possibly unlikely. There is the possibility of urine, however, if the muscles let go upon death…however, even at that…a quick “pack in the duffel bag” would take care if any dog scents. They have to have blood or dead a bit of time in order for cadaver dogs to pick up.

  128. I’m sure that LE checked the ultralight to make sure that Ric was telling them the truth about DP putting the FAA stickers on it the day Stacy vanished. No reason for him to go out of his way to put the suckers on 2 months before he had to… least in my mind, there’s not.

  129. I believe stacy told bruce she had been laying in bed for 2 hours very depressed and didn’t feel like getting up.
    have no idea where the kids were or if she had gotten up with them earlier.

  130. It would be interesting to know whether he left the house between 11 a.m. when he woke up and noon or so when Sharon called him.

    I’ve seen reports that say she returned at 11:15 and others that say 11:55 …

  131. Ok all. Movie time with hubby. You all keep brainstorming and I’ll check back tomorrow before and after work. G’nite.

  132. Heck … make that any time that morning after 10:28 a.m. (the estimated end of the call with Bruce).

  133. I believe that he put the stickers on … but it’s been reported that he had the kids with him … and I just wondered what time this all took place.

    I forgot that Bruce had said that Stacy was depressed and didn’t feel like getting up. Or words to that effect.

  134. maybe he wanted to take the kids out for the day and figured he would do that. He did take the kids with him so I doubt he had stacy in the back to dispose of.

  135. bruce also said after a GJ appearance that stacy was lethargic. too many meds??
    what was her mental state I don’t think anyone has really said. She was seeing a dr for her depression that supposedly was getting worse since tina’s death.

  136. I haven’t seen anything that says he took the kids with him when he went to Cushing Field to put the FAA stickers on the ultralight. Nothing.

    If anyone who *has* seen something about that, could you pretty please post a link? I just went looking, and I couldn’t find anything. Thanks!

  137. She was taking an anti -depressant and an anti-anxiety med at the time she vanished. Depending on the type she was put on, yes, lethargy can be/is a side effect.

  138. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    After DP had TMorphey help him move whatever it was they moved, what exactly did DP expect to happen next?

    Are we to think that everyone in DP’s little world would just scatter and believe everything he said? Why wouldn’t he begin to think that Cassandra would go ballistic upon hearing that her sister took off for the beach with a bikini in hand? Wouldn’t he have thought he’d be an immediate suspect because he’s the husband? Aren’t husbands the first ones looked at in situations like this?

    Did DP figure the cops would do the usual search and seize, but didn’t think he had anything to worry about, or did he honestly believe this would all just go away in a few days?

    See, that’s what I can’t figure out. Is this guy so nuts that he lives in his own dream world and doesn’t think five minutes ahead what’s going to happen next, or is he so methodical and calculated that he planned another perfect crime?

    Which is it?
    ***************************

    I think Drew believed that he had gotten away with it once with Kathleen’s murder. But, in that case there was a body and an investigation. He lucked out because it was ruled accidental.

    This time, he didn’t want to take the chance of having a body to be autopsied. So, this time he made that body disappear. With no body, and Stacy missing, he probably figured that locally there would be a lot of questions, the police would investigate, and in the absence of a body and proof of a crime, it would eventually just go away.

    What Drew didn’t foresee was the national media becoming focussed on Stacy being missing, nor did he ever think that Kathleen’s body would be exhumed and another autopsy done.

    The national media attention and the exhumation of Kathleen’s body and an autopsy that ruled it homicide is his un-doing.

    On top of everything else, Drew doesn’t seem to have the capacity to think things through.

  139. DOES anyone know if they USED Luminal , I looked around here thinking one of you posted about that before but cann’t find anything that says the LE did such a thing , just only the dogs per say …. DO we really know if they did…
    and since they took kathleen’s bathtub wouldn;’t you think they’d go back to drews house and do that ,,,???

  140. freedom08 // June 3, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    maybe he wanted to take the kids out for the day and figured he would do that.
    ===========================
    Hadn’t he just gotten off work or gotten home at like 5:00 AM……I can’t see him taking the kids out for the day without getting sufficient sleep after working all night.

    His normal routine in the past may have been to come in 5-6 am ish, grab a bite to eat, maybe watch TV a little……stay up long enough til the family woke up, then go to bed around 8 or so.

    I think on that particular morning, tensions were running high….probably had been for a while sounds like…..and then things got out of control.

  141. MOLLY,

    i agree w/u on this but…
    On top of everything else, Drew doesn’t seem to have the capacity to think things through. as you said here…

    BUT he is thinking right know is a NEW WIFE for him …. with that girl he is seeing ya know and proubly nothing else..

  142. lavandadolce // June 3, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    There would be more evidence in a home by a mere sneeze then there would be by a strangulation of suffocation. A dog is not going to pick up a suffication when no dna is expelled and the body immediately removed. The most that would be expelled would be saliva on a pillow and at that…even possibly unlikely. There is the possibility of urine, however, if the muscles let go upon death…however, even at that…a quick “pack in the duffel bag” would take care if any dog scents. They have to have blood or dead a bit of time in order for cadaver dogs to pick up.

    lavonda how do you know the body did not expell urine or feces? that’s a pretty big guess to assume that no evidence at all would be in the house or car if she was strangled or sufficated.

    One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a “fresh” corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

    Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an “outstanding tool” for crime-scene investigation.
    h
    t
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    p://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html

  143. lug……..he’s definitely got women on the brain :)…..somebody needs to take his viagra away.

  144. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    lug……..he’s definitely got women on the brain :)…..somebody needs to take his viagra away.

    THAT is too funny yes they need to , what about luminal in the house do you know if that was done with the LE ?? or if they did it at all?? they should go back and do that to drrews since they took kathleens tub.. you think?

  145. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Hadn’t he just gotten off work or gotten home at like 5:00 AM……I can’t see him taking the kids out for the day without getting sufficient sleep after working all night.

    His normal routine in the past may have been to come in 5-6 am ish, grab a bite to eat, maybe watch TV a little……stay up long enough til the family woke up, then go to bed around 8 or so.

    I think on that particular morning, tensions were running high….probably had been for a while sounds like…..and then things got out of control.
    —–
    I don’t think it’s ever been stated what his normal routine was once he got home from work.
    now if he’s too tired to take the kids somewhere how was he not to tired to run around all day disposing of stacy’s body.
    he took the kids with him to cushing to put that sticker on so apparently he wasn’t too tired.

  146. freedom08
    now if he’s too tired to take the kids somewhere how was he not to tired to run around all day disposing of stacy’s body.
    ================================

    adrenalin

  147. Lets remember too with a cops schedule, family learn to deal with the changes, and the cops themselves learn to deal with little sleep.

    His routine could have easily been a napping type routine. A couple of hours here and there throught the day.

    We just dont know.

  148. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    I think when he moved her car to Clow she wasn’t in it……I think he had to move it somewhere just to get it out of the driveway….his story is that she left to go somewhere (still not sure where that was but anyway)….so her car couldn’t be there.

    I think her body was moved when Morphey came to the house. While the kids were having candy at SB’s house he was, and I can’t think of an easier way to say this right now but, packing her body and trying to figure out what he was going to do with it.

    I don’t think SP had been dead very long when SB invited the kids over….and I don’t DP had a clue what he was gonna do about anything at that point…..probably running on pure adrenalin. I don’t think he had planned on killing her at the time it happened.

    ********************************

    The scenario you’ve outlined is my original theory of what happened that day. I’ve only thrown out the possibility that Stacy could have been moved much earlier as an alternate possibility. It would explain some things that happened that day.

    I too think that Stacy hadn’t been dead too long when Sharon called the Peterson house to tell Stacy that she had bought the kids Holloween treats. The fact that Christopher was so flustered when he answered the phone, tells me that something was very awry at the Peterson home and the kids knew something was wrong.

    Although we don’t have any time line for what happened after Drew picked the kids up from Sharon, I think the trip to Cushing airport to put stickers on his airplane is very strange!

    Everything that happened that day was centered around the clean up and cover up of what had happened. The trip to Cushing airport has to somehow figure in to the overall plan.

  149. I don’t recall it being reported that the house had been luminoled…..would assume it was though.

    I think he hit her…probably in the head…..wasn’t he trained in martial arts? May not have been what killed her…..he may have strangled or smothered her after he rendered her unconcious simply because after he hit her he realized his a– was gonna be in big trouble and he paniced.

  150. Re: Savio’s death

    You know, the more I think about it, the more I’m beginning to become convinced that DP was as surprised as anyone that KS’s death was ruled an accident. Of course, once it was, who was he to complain??????

    Her “staged” death could have appeared as a crime from the very beginning. After all, Glasgow has publicly stated that as soon as he saw the pictures from the “crime scene,” he could tell the death was staged. The investigation appeared to be such a laxidazical one, once the accident thing started, it just took off. Of course, they did the preliminary stuff, like asking DP for an alibi, but it sure doesn’t look like they went past that. They never bothered to look at his cell phone records to compare them to his alibi. He sailed through that with flying colors. If it was seriously looked at as a homicide, he was in the clear, so what did he care?

    Maybe DP wanted KS’s boyfriend to be the focus of the investigation, just as the cops think that SP’s disappearance was set-up to make Scott Rosetto look suspicious. Isn’t it interesting that LE has a theory about DP using SRosetto to look suspicious, when Brodsky is now trying the same stunt with KS’s death and her boyfriend?

    Hmmmm.

  151. Christopher being flustered couldnt that be he was a teenager and the phone call was disturbing whatever he was doing, ie video game etc?

    From what others have wrote here teenagers are focus on certain things. If they are heavily involved in a game or something I can see them being flustered or short on the phone.

  152. freedom08 // June 3, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    too tired to take the kids but has adrenalin.
    =========================
    an over abundance of adrenalin caused by the stress of the realization that he committed murder……..again.

  153. LTTBF – think about this. The teens are 13 and 15, right? The 15 year old isn’t all that much younger than SP was when DP started his head games with her. In fact, about how old was she when he “allegedly” came home from KS’s house and told her to give him an alibi when the cops came a’knocking?

    I’m not saying that these kids “knew” of SP’s fate, but he sure as heck could have rehearsed them to say what he wanted them to say, just like he did to SP.

  154. how did drew leave stacy in the house dead from approximately 11am until 9pm when morphey claims he helped move her body without the house totally stinking and leaving NO dna evidence, no evidence of a crime scene, etc.
    remember the house was not sealed off as a crime scene.
    until these questions can be answered reasonbly I can see no way that stacy was left dead decomposing in her house for that many hours and LE come up virtually empty handed when they do a forensic search of the house and even use the dogs.
    LE would not need a GJ had they found the crime scene and evidence of a body in the house for hours before it was removed. besides the body stinking to high heaven.

  155. freedom – You have made a reasonable point, but, then, what did DP and TMorphey move out of that house? Also, don’t forget, there’s another neighbor that reported seeing the two of them moving something.

    Either she was still alive, or they moved out something that had nothing to do with a body.

  156. I keep getting these flashbacks of news articles. What about the cadaver dogs, and the reports that they got hits?

  157. I got NOTHING that says LE used luminol during any of the searches at the home. Not sure about whether they used it on the 2 vehicles, but come on, can anyone think that LE/FBI *wouldn’t* use it on the cars?

    As far as what time DP got home that morning, he got off early, so he’d have been home around 3-4AM on Sunday, 10/28.

  158. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    freedom08 // June 3, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    too tired to take the kids but has adrenalin.
    =========================
    an over abundance of adrenalin caused by the stress of the realization that he committed murder……..again.

    I mentioned that maybe he wanted to take the kids out that day and the answer was he was probably too tired.
    that doesn’t fly IMO.
    no matter he took the kids with him that is a fact.

  159. the research I have done chemicals cannot mask the scent of death from a cadaver.
    the supposed hits that were reported in the media must not have panned out to anything.
    If they had gotten dna evidence from the dogs hitting I highly doubt drew would not have been arrested.

  160. mollymcgee
    Although we don’t have any time line for what happened after Drew picked the kids up from Sharon, I think the trip to Cushing airport to put stickers on his airplane is very strange!
    ============================
    molly, I agree……I was aware of this information early on but, for the most part, pushed it aside…..it wasn’t until Basherette posted this evening Ric Mims statement about DP’s trip to Cushing, that I finally caught that little tid bit at the end…..DP’s sticker didn’t expire til 01/08….now that I think about it…..how would he have the renewal stickers that far in advance…..do they send them out 3 months early?

  161. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    freedom – You have made a reasonable point, but, then, what did DP and TMorphey move out of that house? Also, don’t forget, there’s another neighbor that reported seeing the two of them moving something.

    Either she was still alive, or they moved out something that had nothing to do with a body.

    Yes there was a media report but haven’t seen anything else to confirm it or who it was they saw moving the container. I think there was a mention of someone with olive skin. Morphey doesn’t have olive skin neither does Drew.
    Now possibly drew was freaking out because stacy did leave him and I have no doubt he’s a dirty cop so maybe he had to get rid of evidence for other dirty dealings. Or maybe it was evidence pertaining to stacy.
    or possibly morphey’s story is just that a story that was put together to give stacy more time to get away from drew.
    dk all I know is if he left her body in the house all day and LE could not find evidence of it something is seriouly wrong IMO.
    my theory would be that stacy did leave the house that day and drew caught up with her somewhere else and killed her.

  162. I guess if he paid the fees in advance they would probably send them out after they process the paperwork….?

  163. freedom – what would they have gained by arresting DP at any point during the investigation without SP’s body?

    Doesn’t it make sense that they continue to collect and catalog all of the evidence that does point to her death at his hands? I know I’ve seen people say they would have nailed him in a minute if they had something on him, but I don’t believe that myself.

    Just what did they have to lose? Once he’s charged, the trial must ready to go within 120 days. Wouldn’t their thinking be just keep on pushing until the actual body is found?

  164. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    freedom – You have made a reasonable point, but, then, what did DP and TMorphey move out of that house? Also, don’t forget, there’s another neighbor that reported seeing the two of them moving something.
    =============================
    And if the neighbor’s timeline agrees with Morphey’s……which I just have a feeling it does……that’s what will convince the jury beyond a reasonble doubt.

  165. freedom08 // June 3, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    I believe stacy told bruce she had been laying in bed for 2 hours very depressed and didn’t feel like getting up.
    have no idea where the kids were or if she had gotten up with them earlier.

    ****************************

    If Drew got home in the wee hours of the morning having gotten off his shift, he might not go to bed immediately. He might get somethig to eat, read the morning newspaper, and still be up when the children get up. He might get them some cereal and park them in front of cartoons on tv, telling the two older boys to keep an eye on the younger ones until Stacy gets up, before finally going to bed

  166. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    What dogs can hit on, and how long after a crime they can hit on is amazing.

    very amazing! but they also do have hits that are not accurate.
    and the picture I’ve seen of the dog infront of the garage door looks like the dog was photshopped in the pic. something doesn’t look real about that picture IMO.

  167. Rescue, as far as the 120 days I found out today that the prosecution can ask for extensions on that.

    If they can show they are working something to do with the case, for instance a witness missing etc, the Judge will grant an extension.

    The Judge himself can also grant an extension if he feels something isn’t quiet right. Don’t quote me on the time, but I think its something like 25 days longer for the Judge, and for the Prosecution it all depends on what they are working.

  168. mollymcgee // June 3, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    If Drew got home in the wee hours of the morning having gotten off his shift, he might not go to bed immediately. He might get somethig to eat, read the morning newspaper, and still be up when the children get up. He might get them some cereal and park them in front of cartoons on tv, telling the two older boys to keep an eye on the younger ones until Stacy gets up, before finally going to bed

    well we really dont’ know but I would guess if he’s such a control freak stacy better be up when he gets home and have him breakfast and feed the kids. not lay around all morning and get up when she feels like it.
    maybe he’s not such a control freak.

  169. “She said she had been laying in bed for a couple of hours. I told her about the painting at the house. She said it was going to be a long day,” Zidarich* said, adding that she told him she was in bed because she was depressed.”

    (*Bruce Zidarich)

  170. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    LOL, wasn’t that picture from this news organization?

    dk but I had someone look at it that is pretty knowledgable in this area and they said from just looking at it appeared the dog was put in that picture. But they would have to analyze it in more detail, the original to verify it.
    it may not be

  171. “Sunday morning [10/28/2007] around 10 AM, he [Bruce Zidarich] shared back and forth text messages with Stacey. She then called him at 10:15. She said that she had been just lounging in bed for a couple of hours, and that she AND HER KIDS were going to go to the house to paint today. ”

    ‘Nother quote…

  172. Do any of you Chicago area posters have any ideas/thoughts as to which attorneys there may be on the prosecution team?

  173. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    And if the neighbor’s timeline agrees with Morphey’s……which I just have a feeling it does……that’s what will convince the jury beyond a reasonble doubt.
    —-
    I can’t speak for a jury and what would convince them of guilty beyond a resonable doubt.
    we don’t even know if there really is a neighbor that saw this.
    also you have to remember that morphey is going to get torn apart by the defense and his credibility just might not be what it should be.
    then as a juror you have to convince yourself that a body was in a house decomposing almost 10 hours and no dna/forenics evidence was found.

  174. freedom – TMorphey might get torn apart by the defense, but DPeterson is going to look like a piece of Swiss Cheese himself, with all the dirt he’s got swirling about him.

    Even his supervisor, Chief McGury was about to nail him for something before he conveniently quit. Betcha he trumps TMorphey in the credibility department.

  175. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Freedom, LOL, baloney!!!!

    This looks like the real deal. It gives me the chills.

    http://media1.suburbanchicagonews.com/multimedia/jo02_bolingbrook_peterson_3.jpg_20071101_22_24_17_50-263-400.imageContent

    something doesn’t look right to me but you could be right.
    so now are you saying this cadaver dog is hitting on the scent of death?
    If I recall correctly there was never any mention of a hit at the garage door or garage.

    I don’t remember

  176. “then as a juror you have to convince yourself that a body was in a house decomposing almost 10 hours and no dna/forenics evidence was found.”

    That *WE*, the general public, know about, that is.

    LE’s got their reasons for publicly stating that Stacy did NOT leave voluntarily.

    And yes, I know LE likes to trip up their suspects by making ominously vague statements like that, but in this case, I really think they mean it.

  177. what about the Scott PETERSOn case , they did luminal in his house and I don’t remember if they found anything , they also had cadaver dogs in there as well but don’t remember if the dogs got anything but they did at the warhouse, and did not arrest him right away , they watched him doing things on tv and going to the water….. IT TO me is SIMMular to DP’s stuff. except we have a Dirty cop….

  178. freedom – I don’t know too much about the cadaver hits myself. I’m sure there’s something out there, but I’m not really up on that.

    I do know I read that they also got a hit at some pond near the airport.

  179. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    mollymcgee
    Although we don’t have any time line for what happened after Drew picked the kids up from Sharon, I think the trip to Cushing airport to put stickers on his airplane is very strange!
    ============================
    molly, I agree……I was aware of this information early on but, for the most part, pushed it aside…..it wasn’t until Basherette posted this evening Ric Mims statement about DP’s trip to Cushing, that I finally caught that little tid bit at the end…..DP’s sticker didn’t expire til 01/08….now that I think about it…..how would he have the renewal stickers that far in advance…..do they send them out 3 months early?
    ***************************

    Good point! In the state where I am, renewal stickers are usually sent out 6 weeks in advance.

    With the main focus of that day to clean up and cover up the events of that morning, the trip to Cushing has to somehow figure into that.

  180. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    freedom – TMorphey might get torn apart by the defense, but DPeterson is going to look like a piece of Swiss Cheese himself, with all the dirt he’s got swirling about him.

    Even his supervisor, Chief McGury was about to nail him for something before he conveniently quit. Betcha he trumps TMorphey in the credibility department.

    dp doesnt’ have to take the stand and probably won’t and being in trouble at work doesn’t make you are murderer.
    If I remember correctly drew was in trouble for authorizing a high speed chase at that point and then later after stacy went missing something was mentioned about using work computers for personal issues, or something along those lines.

  181. From what I’ve seen and heard from Brodsky……I just can’t see him being DP’s lead counsel……maybe he’s saving the best for last so to speak (another JB we haven’t seen)….to me he just comes off as not taking this as seriously as he should and that he’s blinded by the camera lights and the “celebrity” side of it……I can only imagine what he’s gonna do when the prosecution comes out with all barrells loaded and serious as a heart attack.

  182. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    freedom – I don’t know too much about the cadaver hits myself. I’m sure there’s something out there, but I’m not really up on that.

    I do know I read that they also got a hit at some pond near the airport.

    yes I remember hearing that also and maybe the car or the bedroom to. If I remember correctly it was not LE but the media that reported the hits.
    thing is a hit without finding any dna evidence or body is more than likely an inaccurate hit.

  183. yeah g8girl JB does appear to be a real idiot, but who knows as I’ve said before a good criminal defense attorney will never show his hand until trial.

  184. PS- The only smell a body will have after death by natural causes, suffocation, strangulation, or in fact just about ANY means that does not cause the skin to open:

    The scent of urine and feces as the person releases their bladder and bowels at the time of death.

    That’s it.

    Now, you add heat and humidity to that, and yeah, things will start getting ripe in a day or two. But in the wintertime? Even less of a smell, even though the death may occur indoors. Unless they’ve got their furnace set to Gobi Desert hot and have an Amazon Jungle simulating humidifier, then it’s gonna take a couple of days or MORE for the body itself to start smelling.

    Get rid of the poop and pee, and you don’t have anything to smell for 2+ days or more.

    Gads. I don’t think I’m gonna be able to eat supper now… UG.

  185. freedom – by the way, remember when we were discussing the “real” attorney DP had in the beginning, Fred Morelli? I saw something on acandyrose today that Morelli dropped Peterson when he agreed to appear on The Today Show.

    To think, he had a smart, respectable, competent attorney. Instead, he’s got a clone of himself. See, Brodsky has a hole in the back of him, and DP sticks his hand in it and makes him talk.

  186. Speaking strictly for myself, I get uppity when some say if they really had something on him, he would’ve been arrested from the get-go.

    If they have witness statements, blood evidence, cadaver hits, electronic records, and heaven knows what else that incriminates and can possibly cause DP to be charged and convicted of a crime, yet they don’t have the body yet, why, why, why would they move to arrest him quickly? What if he destroyed every shred of her body and it’s never found? Since LE knows that people have been charged and convicted of a homicide without a body, they sure would be smart, in my opinion, to use every single bit of time they can trying to find her body in the meantime.

    Also, I remember reading recently that the lead investigator, Burek (is that correct?) said an arrest is eminent. He’d be the one I’d bet my money on to know.

  187. mollymcgee
    With the main focus of that day to clean up and cover up the events of that morning, the trip to Cushing has to somehow figure into that.
    ===========================
    A trip he could use as an alibi for a portion of the day and I think he also used it as a “scouting” expedition looking for a possible dumping ground along the way as well as trying to clear his head….get his thoughts straight…..gotta remember, by that time he was under a serious time constraint…..getting desperate I’m sure.

  188. Burek was the information officer for the ISP.

    It was sometime back that he gave that interview to his hometown news station.

  189. I think I’ve posed this question before, but what if Stacy wasn’t killed outright in the master bedroom that morning? What if she was only rendered unconscious? Later, after she’s been taken out of the house, Drew kills her.

  190. Here’s a link of what I read recently. Here’s a relevant part, my favorite part (since it’s no secret I have no use for Drew Peterson):

    The investigation into Stacy Peterson’s disappearance has drawn worldwide media attention. Authorities have said they believe she is dead, and extensive searches have been conducted in forests, marshes, lakes and other areas in suburban Chicago.

    Police are also investigating the death of Drew Peterson’s previous, third wife, Kathleen Savio. She was found dead in a bathtub in 2004. Her death was initially ruled an accident.

    After Stacy Peterson disappeared, Savio’s body was exhumed and an autopsy determined she was the victim of a homicide. Burek said both investigations are “going well.”

    (my emphasis) “We’re moving methodically,” Burek said. “We’re confident that (the investigations) will result in an arrest.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/30/missing.wife.ap/

  191. bash absolutely not true. the body immediately starts release gases upon death.
    a human won’t be able to smell it at this point. but to say there is no scent if a person is strangled just clean up the pee and poo and you got two days is totally innaccurate

    tons of links out there to back up what I’m saying.

  192. Ok just so Im understanding.

    Presume Drew did kill Stacy, but the body hasnt been found.

    ISP know and have all the evidence that he did indeed harm/kill her, the only thing missing is the body,

    Some say its not problem, with enough evidence they can convict him without the body.

    So they know and have the evidence, they are going to allow him to remain free, with his children, while they still look for the body.

    If he is a cold blooded killer, he shouldnt be anywhere near those kids, and that is a slippery slope the ISP is playing……imo.

  193. freedom08 // June 3, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    yeah g8girl JB does appear to be a real idiot, but who knows as I’ve said before a good criminal defense attorney will never show his hand until trial.
    =============================
    I’ve never looked at his resume’ of cases…..does he have an impressive track record?

  194. oh I have no doubt the will arrest drew but can they get a conviction is the question.

    rescue I remember talking about his real lawyer, and you bet he’d drop drew for not taking his advice but I really feel with him running for circuit judge he would have droped drew anyway.
    who would vote for this man as circuit judge if the’s defending drew? as much hate as there is for drew I don’t think many would and it would be political suicide for this man to represent drew.
    no those running for office currently that wanna sock it to drew, they got the right idea and it’s scary when politics are mixed into a criminal investigation.

  195. mollymcgee // June 3, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    I think I’ve posed this question before, but what if Stacy wasn’t killed outright in the master bedroom that morning? What if she was only rendered unconscious? Later, after she’s been taken out of the house, Drew kills her.
    ==========================
    That is one theory I have never discounted……highly possible.

  196. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    I’ve never looked at his resume’ of cases…..does he have an impressive track record?


    I haven’t either but I do remember Nancy Grace of all people saying to him that he was an established attorney with a good track record and how could he buy that. dont’ know what exactly they were talking about something drew said probably.

  197. LTTBF – yeah, but you can’t tell me his family doesn’t know what a hard-butt he is and how off-his-rocker he is, and they have no problem reading in the newspapers, just as much as we do, that he’s having a good ol’ time chasing anything that will look at him twice?

    How come his relatives aren’t over at that house with those kids when he takes off for never-never land on one of his hormone hunts?

    It’s not LE’s job, IMHO, to set out to nail the guy simply to separate him from his children.

    Craig Stebic is considered a suspect in his wife’s disappearance/presumed homicide, and they can’t pry those kids away from him long enough for them to see their grandparents. Like it or not, it is what it is.

  198. I don’t believe he is lacking for business, from his address of his law firm.

    He’s not in a strip mall…..lol.

  199. Anyone here familiar with JB’s conviction record? Does he have experience representing clients charged with murder?

  200. Comment by John
    December 16th, 2007 at 10:06 am
    Greta,

    DP may not be the smartest guy, but he’s not dumb enough to have a witness to murder. This was staged, to throw off the mass of the search away from where he hid Stacy. It may make him look deceptive, but it doesn’t prove he committed murder.

    There is no way he left her at the house all day until 10 PM that night. The first thing he did was to remove the body, away from the house. Hence her car being gone as early as 11 am, when the neighbor returned and saw that it was gone.
    Stacy was supposed to meet to paint the apt. in Yorkville. What if her sister came looking for her and wanted to come in and look around? What would he say? “no way, get out”. She would have called the cops right then and there, and not left sight of him till they got there.

    Then after bringing the kids to Sharon’s next door at 1:30 PM for candy, he leaves for 15 min to run an errand. Just enough time to switch the body into the back of the Yukon and return to pick up the kids.

    I feel he must have then dropped the kids with his son or brother, so that he may (as he probably tells them) ” to go and look for Stacy”. This gave him about 5 hours to get out to Cushing Field and back. Plenty of time to put her in a predetermined spot, go play with his plane and to be spotted there as a reason as why he was out that way.

    I believe the key to finding Stacy is to determine where he and the kids went to between 1:30 PM and 6:30 PM. He claims he took the kids with him to Cushing Field to put stickers on his plane.

    I believe she will be found within a 15 mile radius of Cushing Field

  201. Rescue, I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

    I was presuming they had all the evidence in the world for a conviction.

  202. Uh, I wasn’t referring to cadaver dogs being able to smell a dead body- I was referring to the fact that the smell wouldn’t be drawing the attention of any people at that early stage of decomposition.

  203. g8 – Brodsky’s admitted to never defending a homicide case in trial. That’s why he took on Andrew Abood. Don’t know anything about him. He’s a Michigan lawyer, apparently proficient in trying these kinds of cases.

  204. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    mollymcgee // June 3, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    I think I’ve posed this question before, but what if Stacy wasn’t killed outright in the master bedroom that morning? What if she was only rendered unconscious? Later, after she’s been taken out of the house, Drew kills her.
    ==========================
    That is one theory I have never discounted……highly possible.

    I agree very probable.
    hmm just made me think bruce said she was lethargic what if she over medicated herself and that is what killed her, drew freaked knowing he would be blamed and disposed of her and made the story up.
    One of my friends daughter found her dead in the bathroom one morning when she got up for school. She was depressed had just seperated from her husband and the autopsy showed she had over medicated herself. not an I’m commiting suicide take to many pills but lost track of what and how much she had taken and it killed her. very sad.
    and yes many thought the seperated husband may have killed her, turns out he did not and wasn’t anywhere around.

  205. IMO the “hit” in the master bedroom was re Kathleen, and that’s why Drew got rid of the nightstand.

    IMO, Stacy was alive but bound and gagged in the house.

    I’ll also entertain the idea that she left the house and Drew caught up with her later … but only if I can get hold of his timeline!

  206. So if everyone is under the impression that she is not in the immed. area, and not in the barrel in the water, why is FSP searching the water and barrels.

    Arent they working off what ISP tells them?

  207. basherette // June 3, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Uh, I wasn’t referring to cadaver dogs being able to smell a dead body- I was referring to the fact that the smell wouldn’t be drawing the attention of any people at that early stage of decomposition.

    ok sorry I misunderstood then. 🙂

  208. Just saw this, and it made me giggle:

    “Drew Peterson complains: Retirement SUCKS. He can’t get a date.”

    Kim Matuska: “It sucks. I’m not a hooker.”

  209. noway406 // June 3, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Comment by John
    December 16th, 2007 at 10:06 am

    ****************

    Wooooooo, that is food for thought!

  210. IF Stacy over medicated … wouldn’t her body have been found in the house?

    Or do you think she managed to drag her lethargic body to the car … drive to Clow and leave the country?

    It’s hard for me to buy the overmedicated herself in this case.

  211. noway406 // June 3, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    IMO the “hit” in the master bedroom was re Kathleen, and that’s why Drew got rid of the nightstand.

    IMO, Stacy was alive but bound and gagged in the house.

    I’ll also entertain the idea that she left the house and Drew caught up with her later … but only if I can get hold of his timeline!

    yes I’ve thought the same on the hit in the bedroom, if infact there was a hit.

  212. This is interesting too:

    In an interview on 11/01/07 for the Sun Times:

    “Peterson said he talked “for a while” on Monday [10/29/2007] night to state police investigators searching for his wife. He said he found her purse, cell phone and even some clothing gone after she left their two-story brick home on Sunday. [10/28/2007]”

  213. lol, Let … I hardly think we are “everyone” … and since I live in Montana, I’d be hardpressed to be telling them where to search!

    Drew seems confident she won’t be found … so to me, that rules out water unless there is some underwater cave that he has her securely stashed in.

  214. noway406
    Comment by John
    December 16th, 2007 at 10:06 am
    Greta,
    I believe she will be found within a 15 mile radius of Cushing Field
    ========================
    Interesting because Mims also stated he thought she was buried near Cushing.

  215. Noway, sorry I wasnt accusing anyone.

    The discussion earlier was the Blue Barrel is a red herring in the case, thats all.

  216. Let, no problem.

    The searching business is a little odd. IMO

    Maybe they want Drew to think they still care about the blue barrel? Maybe they found one with evidence … if there was one.

    I think the reason Drew involved TM was that he suspected TM would not keep quiet but that the barrel was nothing. Probably filled with books or old clothes or something. Maybe pix of Drew’s old GFs.

  217. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 10:24 pm
    when he takes off for never-never land on one of his hormone hunts?
    ===========================
    omg…..roflmao………i know it’s not funny but it definitely makes him sound like a predator.

  218. noway406 // June 3, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    IF Stacy over medicated … wouldn’t her body have been found in the house?

    Or do you think she managed to drag her lethargic body to the car … drive to Clow and leave the country?

    It’s hard for me to buy the overmedicated herself in this case.
    — ,
    not if drew removed it knowing he would be blamed if she was reported dead. then he makes up the story. who knows

    But to me bruce saying she was lethagric means she was medicated on something you just don’t get lethargic for no reason. and lots of people do drive around when they are on medications, drugs and even drunk. It really would help to know what her mental state was, how deep was her depression. seems like the GJ should have questioned her dr. that was treating her for depression. Especially considering the fact that her mother had depression issue’s, her father being a drunk and how the kids were raised. Seems like tina dying was a breaking point for Stacy mentally. iMO

  219. basherette // June 3, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    This is interesting too:

    In an interview on 11/01/07 for the Sun Times:

    “Peterson said he talked “for a while” on Monday [10/29/2007] night to state police investigators searching for his wife. He said he found her purse, cell phone and even some clothing gone after she left their two-story brick home on Sunday. [10/28/2007]“

    **************

    This is what I think LE was looking for in that Canal, if not her body. That stuff had to wind up somewhere.

  220. basherette // June 3, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Uh, I wasn’t referring to cadaver dogs being able to smell a dead body- I was referring to the fact that the smell wouldn’t be drawing the attention of any people at that early stage of decomposition.
    =============================
    And, as molly suggests…..Stacy may very well have been alive when she was removed from the house…..so no cadaver for the dogs to hit on.

  221. basherette // June 3, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    This is interesting too:

    In an interview on 11/01/07 for the Sun Times:

    “Peterson said he talked “for a while” on Monday [10/29/2007] night to state police investigators searching for his wife. He said he found her purse, cell phone and even some clothing gone after she left their two-story brick home on Sunday. [10/28/2007]“
    —-
    well that is interesting considering the story has been bikini, 25,000 and passport. so much BS spread in this case IMO.
    I really feel that one of the purposes of FSP was to put bogus info out to ensure lynch mob mentality of drew and to shut down any thought of even thinking anything but drew is guilty and stacy was an angel.
    I just shake my head something really stinks about many things in this case and not just drew and JB. they stink but there’s more then just them stinking.

  222. Re: lethargic. Don’t forget, she talked to that divorce attorney 3x the week prior, and was scheduled to see him on the Monday following her disappearance. That would explain why she was “lethargic.” She was depressed, miserable.

    Any one of us can relate to being like that over something that is a major event in our lives. Come on, think about it. Doesn’t mean she was drugged up!

  223. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Bash, that is what Pam said Cassandra said Drew said.
    ========================
    Is this the type of thing considered hearsay? rofl……j/k

  224. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 10:24 pm
    when he takes off for never-never land on one of his hormone hunts?
    ===========================
    omg…..roflmao………i know it’s not funny but it definitely makes him sound like a predator.

    lol he’s a whoredoggie that likes young girls and possibly a predator.

  225. Oh, BTW, LTTBF – almost forget, I read this a while back. Yeah, I did see that about Fr. Pfleger! The man has lost his way.

  226. Rescue, yes he has. And I hope we don’t have to hear too much more about him, but I don’t think we will be lucky after watching the news tonight.

  227. g8 – yes, thank you, you should all join me in the corner, but I’m jiggly from all the laughing I’m doing and there might not be enough room!

  228. Meh, no worries. All I’ve got about the cadaver dogs is that they had hits in the master bedroom and the pond at Clow where Stacy’s car was (presumably).

    “Kevin Tomich: Yesterday during the search of the Peterson home a cadaver dog made a hit in the Peterson’s upstairs bedroom and out in pond next to Clow Airport in Bolingbrook where Stacy Peterson’s car was abandoned and where her husband has a plane.”

    Link:
    http://w ww.acandyrose.com/2007-11-02-MyFox-CadaverDogs.htm

  229. rescueapet // June 3, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    freedom – LOL, he’s not using the head on his shoulder to do his thinking!

    not at all when it comes to women!!
    supposedly he’s a sharp business man that is also smart with his money ie investing. go figure.

    oh really never heard of whoredoggie what about slutpuppy? he’s that also!

  230. Do you all remember the lady very early on that worked at Clow and was giving us play by play of what was happening?

  231. basherette // June 3, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Meh, no worries. All I’ve got about the cadaver dogs is that they had hits in the master bedroom and the pond at Clow where Stacy’s car was (presumably).

    “Kevin Tomich: Yesterday during the search of the Peterson home a cadaver dog made a hit in the Peterson’s upstairs bedroom and out in pond next to Clow Airport in Bolingbrook where Stacy Peterson’s car was abandoned and where her husband has a plane.”

    inaccurate he doesn’t have a plane at clow. so now I really question the reporting of the dog hits. if the media can’t provide common basic accurate facts like where he keeps his ultra light then I really questioned anything else they are stating in this article.

  232. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Do you all remember the lady very early on that worked at Clow and was giving us play by play of what was happening?

    seems like I remember something like that.
    if stacy did leave the house she could have left her car a clow and went with someone else or drew could have caught up with her and had her park at clow and take a ride with him.

  233. G8, yeah she was good.

    She and her hubby worked at Clow. I’m thinking they might have worked on an air ambulance crew.

    She and her hubby went walking the grounds, and she actually talked to the police because they came to look at the video camera’s. Sadly Clows camera were just looping kind, not recording kind.

    She actually knew Drew from him making calls there etc.

  234. Letthetruthbefree:
    Bash, that is what Pam said Cassandra said Drew said.
    **************

    *CORRECTION*- No, that is what JB says PB says CC says that DP told her.

    JB said (on 5/19/08), in response to my query:

    “The item about the bikini is what Pam Bosco said Drew told Cassandra Cales late on Oct. 28th. The only thing Drew has said publicly about the phone call is that Stacy said she had found someone else and is leaving. As to the red jogging suit, that is what Stacy was wearing on Oct. 28 when Drew last saw her before he went to sleep. This is what he told the state police and they put it on their missing person releases.”

    Unfortunately for JB, DP *DID* in fact publicly state that Stacy took her bikini, $25,000 cash and her passport, and I knew he was fibbing, so I found the link and this is what DP said, live (11/02/07):

    “Drew Peterson maintains that Stacy Ann is “where she wants to be.” When asked if she removed anything from the house before leaving, he told FOX News she took cash, a passport and a bikini.”

    SO, now that I’ve found this other little gem from 11/01/07 about what ELSE DP says she “took with her” :

    “He said he found her purse, cell phone and even some clothing gone after she left their two-story brick home on Sunday.”

    Well, can you see how I might have some qeries about the BS JB is trying to feed me? His OWN CLIENT said this- so it sure as shitake mushrooms is *NOT* heresay if it’s coming straight outta DP’s mouth.

  235. freedom08 // June 3, 2008 at 11:10 pm
    inaccurate he doesn’t have a plane at clow. so now I really question the reporting of the dog hits. if the media can’t provide common basic accurate facts like where he keeps his ultra light then I really questioned anything else they are stating in this article.
    ===============================
    Well to be fair freedom…..that was the initial report but it didn’t take the press long to get their facts straight.

  236. True about the plane, but I can’t help it if a reporter’s lazy. I just copy the quotes verbatim, grammatically incorrect and lackadasial fact checking by the reporter at no extra charge for you special people here! 😉

  237. I would much rather hear drew say those words then fox report he said.
    I swear I heard him say it on an interview straight from his lips, I just can’t find it.

  238. Bash, I’m sorry you didn’t see the humor in my post.

    There are so many he said/she said, the media being wrong etc in this case.

  239. bash IMO it’s part of a reporters job to ensure the information they are putting out to the public is accurate. If what you say is true then most from the media has a serious credibility issue as far as I’m concerned. and that has been shown to be true over and over again with the media. so lazy reporters are not credible because they are tooo lazyto check basic facts but want to report to the world supposed FACTS in a murder case that they are too lazy to check.

  240. And just to show you how sweet a deal this is, I’ll even throw in a 19 piece set of Ginzhu knives as an extra bonus if you call now!

  241. basherette // June 3, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    I just copy the quotes verbatim, grammatically incorrect and lackadasial fact checking by the reporter at no extra charge for you special people here! 😉
    =======================
    I can only speak for myself but, I appreciate all the info…..it’s good to re-think some of the info that was previously out there and discuss it again.

  242. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Well to be fair freedom…..that was the initial report but it didn’t take the press long to get their facts straight.

    IMO the only thing fair has to do with this is it’s unfair to feed the public inaccurate infomation and I still believe the media has much innacurate information out there regarding this case.

  243. What are we going to do when this actually does go to trial? No cameras in the courtroom.

    Danya is going to have to have a rope tied to her, so we can pull her out every so often and ask her what’s going on in there! I don’t know what else we can do.

  244. oh bash I know you are just posting the links and I don’t hold you responsible for the media’s inaccuracy and do appreciate the info you post.

  245. Are you kidding, Letthetruthbefree? My husband just got done laughing at the comedic, rhyming repartee that just took place with those two lines…

    It’s what PB said CC said DP said.
    No, It’s what JB said PB said CC said DP said.

    Crimony- I’m still having a giggle fit after that!!!!!! 🙂

  246. basherette // June 3, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    *SNORT*GIGGLE*SNORT*
    ========================
    basher……do you need a shot of Benadryl????

  247. She might be able to blog live in the courtroom…its happened in other cases. But then again, it’s Illinois so who knows.

  248. noway406 // June 3, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Comment by John
    December 16th, 2007 at 10:06 am
    Greta,

    DP may not be the smartest guy, but he’s not dumb enough to have a witness to murder. This was staged, to throw off the mass of the search away from where he hid Stacy. It may make him look deceptive, but it doesn’t prove he committed murder.

    There is no way he left her at the house all day until 10 PM that night. The first thing he did was to remove the body, away from the house. Hence her car being gone as early as 11 am, when the neighbor returned and saw that it was gone.
    Stacy was supposed to meet to paint the apt. in Yorkville. What if her sister came looking for her and wanted to come in and look around? What would he say? “no way, get out”. She would have called the cops right then and there, and not left sight of him till they got there.

    Then after bringing the kids to Sharon’s next door at 1:30 PM for candy, he leaves for 15 min to run an errand. Just enough time to switch the body into the back of the Yukon and return to pick up the kids.

    I feel he must have then dropped the kids with his son or brother, so that he may (as he probably tells them) ” to go and look for Stacy”. This gave him about 5 hours to get out to Cushing Field and back. Plenty of time to put her in a predetermined spot, go play with his plane and to be spotted there as a reason as why he was out that way.

    I believe the key to finding Stacy is to determine where he and the kids went to between 1:30 PM and 6:30 PM. He claims he took the kids with him to Cushing Field to put stickers on his plane.

    I believe she will be found within a 15 mile radius of Cushing Field

    ****************************

    This scenario is a good possibility!

    If Drew removed Stacy’s car from the house to Clow airport right away, which would give support to his story that she had left and was going to her grandpa’s, then all he needed to do was to find someone to care for the children that afternoon. Perhaps Drew used that 15 minutes that the kids were at Sharon’s to make a couple of phone calls, getting his son, Steve, to babysit for the afternoon.

    After dropping the kids off at Steve’s, he was free for the afternoon. Then he could load Stacy into his Denali and go in the general direction of Cushing airport. He may have already had a pretty good idea of where he could bury her, undetected. Then on to Cushing airport to put the stickers on his airplane, and make sure he was seen by people there, creating an alibi.

  249. Well then good, Im glad you got the laugh outta it Bash, that is what it was intended to do.

    You really do need to laugh more often.

    That is how this whole case has gone. One person says something, then someone else says something, then the media says something.

    I’m sure if I looked hard enough I could find media article to counter whatever anyone has said.

  250. basherette // June 3, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    Are you kidding, Letthetruthbefree? My husband just got done laughing at the comedic, rhyming repartee that just took place with those two lines…

    It’s what PB said CC said DP said.
    No, It’s what JB said PB said CC said DP said.
    ==================================
    roflmao….that post didn’t get past me but, then……..i said, nah……i ain’t touchin that with a ten foot pole.

  251. Anyone have a link to the first Today show Interview? Supposedly that is pre-Brodsky and maybe Drew mentions the items that Stacy took with her in that interview.

  252. And I should add I didnt say the second line…so you should credit the correct person for that.

  253. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 11:28 pm
    I’m sure if I looked hard enough I could find media article to counter whatever anyone has said.
    ==========================
    hall a lou ya

    okay people…..do not dare report this to facs…….i was too lazy to look up the spelling.

  254. wow none of the searches have turned up any evidence of fowl play police said. this article also talks about searching the home with the dogs. looks like the article is from nov. 5. ok so state police say no evidence of foul play after searching but now say they know she didn’t leave the house willingly. sounds to me like LE bluffs as much as JB. no wonder they don’t have any press conferences!
    ——

    Divers spent two days dragging a five-acre pond at Bolingbrook’s Clow International Airport, a few blocks from the Peterson home. Drew Peterson, who is a licensed pilot, said he found his wife’s car in Clow’s parking lot Monday
    State Police on Friday searched a hangar at Cushing Field in Sheridan, Illinois where Drew Peterson keeps a plane. Cushing Field is about 38 miles from the Peterson home. None of the searches have turned up any evidence of foul play, police said.

    h
    t
    t
    p://crime.about.com/b/2007/11/05/clues-sought-in-disappearance-of-stacy-peterson.htm

  255. The perfect example was tonight the TM, and the missing wife.

    All this time I’ve been thinking he truly had a missing wife, come to find out, he didn’t at all.

    That is how this all gets so outta hand. One person says something and people will with it.

  256. Back to the neighbor seeing two men loading something into the Denali.

    I very, very much believe it was stated early on that the neighbor saw 2 men and one was “olive-skinned”. No one tied into all of this fits the description “olive-skinned”.

    Also, should this thing ever be “solved” I VERY, VERY STRONGLY believe that Stacy will have been put in her final location by someone OTHER than Drew.

    Like SOMEONE whose name rhymes with Pike or Dike or Like or Spike.

  257. I believe the key to finding Stacy is to determine where he and the kids went to between 1:30 PM and 6:30 PM. He claims he took the kids with him to Cushing Field to put stickers on his plane.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    anyone know where I can find this claim that he took the kids?

  258. bbismytown // June 3, 2008 at 11:35 pm
    Like SOMEONE whose name rhymes with Pike or Dike or Like or Spike.
    ===========================
    the “ike” person has always stayed very near the top of my list of possible assistants. wonder if they’ve convinced him to consider a plea bargain yet.

  259. LOL, LOL,

    BBIMT – Re: Like SOMEONE whose name rhymes with Pike or Dike or Like or Spike.

    What kind of Mickey Mouse kind of stuff is that? Spit it out.

    Kinda like someone is robbin’ someone’s son? Mumbo jumbo mix-it-up stuff.

    Sounds like??????

    (By the way, I agree you are on to something!)

  260. bbismytown // June 3, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    And the final location is going to be far, far away.
    ===========================
    Wonder if we’ll ever even know…..i want to stay positive that she’ll be found but, there’s just so many places she could be…….realistically, I guess the odds are slim that she will ever be found. I don’t understand how a man could take not only one, but two mothers away from their children…..his children……it’s sadistic.

  261. Okay, here’s LE’s early theory about SP’s disappearance and what DP was trying to do. If LE is correct, her body shouldn’t be that far away:

    Sources: Rossetto being framed in Stacy’s [Peterson]disappearance
    Chicago Sun Times ^ | 11/28/07 | JOE HOSEY AND JANET LUNDQUIST

    Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:20:53 AM by Huntress

    Drew Peterson’s step-brother, whose name has surfaced in the disappearance of Stacy Peterson, may have been used to try and frame a Shorewood man for her killing, police sources said.

    Investigators suspect that Drew Peterson had his step-brother, Thomas Morphey, help him dispose of his wife’s body and also used Morphey in a plot to make it look as though her killer was Scott Rossetto, a man they suspect was Stacy’s boyfriend, sources said.

    Although they’ve found nothing concrete, investigators speculate that Stacy Peterson’s body may have been dumped near Rossetto’s Shorewood town house, sources say.

    Sources told the Sun-Times News Group Tuesday that Morphey helped Peterson load a large blue barrel into Peterson’s SUV the day Stacy Peterson vanished.

    Earlier that day, Peterson may have used Morphey to try to frame Rossetto, sources said. As part of the plan, they said, Peterson drove Morphey to a Starbucks in Bolingbrook. At some point, Peterson left the shop, handing Morphey his cell phone, the sources said. Peterson told Morphey he would return and said that if the cell phone rang, Morphey should not answer it. While Peterson was gone, the phone rang and the caller identification showed the call was coming from Stacy Peterson’s cell phone, according to the sources.

    more ~

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1932127/posts

  262. It might be worthwhile looking for something at Fox for the bit about the kids being with him on the trip to Cushing field. I found this on scared monkeys:

    “Fox news reporter saying that DP told her that he went to the airport on Sunday, with the kids, to check on his plane & put a new inspection sticker on it.”

  263. ah but morphey’s brother said that they left the coffee shop and peterson took morphey to a park and that’s where the calls happened.
    why isn’t fsp searching this area then?

    Although they’ve found nothing concrete, investigators speculate that Stacy Peterson’s body may have been dumped near Rossetto’s Shorewood town house, sources say.

  264. What little we have heard of Morphy’s info to LE early on sounds believable to me……..why on earth would he insert himself into this case for no reason……..has DP admitted to being with TM that evening or did he deny it?

  265. I apologize for the quick disappearance. I had to reboot for some other stuff I was running.

    All theories rearding areas around here have went nowhere. I think there was more than 1 effort to cloud the horizon.

    Far, far away……………yes out of Will county.

  266. Morphey handed his neighbor, Walter, $2,000 that Drew had given to him for his labor. Tom supposedly knew what was up and wanted no part of what he considered blood money.

    Now Drew had given Tom money before for helping out or doing odd jobs, but $2,000 for a seemingly little bit of help?

    $2,000?

  267. I saw the brother of TMorphey mention something about going to a park, but, in that regard:

    To date, the investigation has shown that one of Stacy Peterson’s last known cell phone calls was made in the Shorewood area, sources say. Investigators speculate that Drew Peterson actually made that phone call from Shorewood in an attempt to frame Rossetto as the killer.

    Note, it says “one of Stacy Peterson’s last known cell phone calls ……”

  268. And IF TM helped DP dispose of whatever it was they took out that night, he certainly cannot seem to identify where they put it because the search efforts have been so here and there spread out.

  269. I also absolutely believe that DP had Stacy’s cellphone cloned. So he had 100% xray vision as to her communications up until the point she got the new one with invoicing going to her sisters.

    That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.

  270. One thing is for sure, DP certainly didn’t expect to get a call from Cassandra at, what, 11:30pm. That is a variable in his plan, isn’t it? Wherever he was at the time, he certainly pinged himself into a location worthy of a search!

  271. So if he was trying to frame Scott the body will be close to shorewood where it might likely be found.

  272. bbismytown // June 4, 2008 at 12:03 am

    And IF TM helped DP dispose of whatever it was they took out that night, he certainly cannot seem to identify where they put it because the search efforts have been so here and there spread out.

    IT could be possible that Drew was talking to TOm so he was not watching where they were going but possibly that he does remember the stoping point though I would say ..Ohy maybe they should hipnotise him and then they would know where to go…

  273. rescueapet // June 4, 2008 at 12:07 am

    One thing is for sure, DP certainly didn’t expect to get a call from Cassandra at, what, 11:30pm. That is a variable in his plan, isn’t it? Wherever he was at the time, he certainly pinged himself into a location worthy of a search!
    ========================
    Oh yeah……think that’s gonna be another biggy with the jury.

  274. iknoweverythinglol // June 4, 2008 at 12:09 am

    So if he was trying to frame Scott the body will be close to shorewood where it might likely be found.
    ************

    Yes, that is likely what LE is sticking with, unless, of course, they found evidence since then that would lead them to a different location.

  275. I think he was tossing evidence and her personal items when Cassandra called him……unfortunately those items are so small that they would probably be next to impossible to retrieve from the river (canal, whatever).

  276. Cloning a cell phone? If you know the right people it can easily be done – it does not take a genius.

    Alot of people have wanted to banter regarding this. I won’t. I have my information from a relative who works for Motorola and designs cell phones. Not how they look – how they work.

  277. Anyone else get freaked out tonight in BB, when the police called about the missing 5-year-old girl? It must have been just before 9 PM. I have never heard of any authorities using a phone system to create an Amber Alert. Little girl went missing in the “Malibu” area. Where’s that?
    Down southwest of the Jewel on 53?
    I’m sure timing is important whan a child is missing, but to call everyone’s house? Hmmm. I hope they find the little darling, and she’s safe and sound. Her parents must be worried.

  278. I believe she got the phone around the 17th of oct that is when she called daddy cales to give him the new #

  279. Think about this. If tom was with Drew when Cassandra called Drew he can back up what cassandras story on the phone call content.

  280. The little girl was located safe and sound. My intrest was piqued by the huge amount of squad cars all around here.

    Malibu is basically behind the Menards.

  281. awe hope they find her and yes I’ve heard of the phone system being used as an amber alert. makes sense to me.

  282. iknoweverythinglol…..do you recall the timeline with Morphy and what Cass’s timeline was calling DP?

  283. THAT I do not know.

    I’m just glad she was found. I couldn’t just sit here BSing on the computer while someone like that is out lost.

    That little girl is much. much more important and I would be out there for sure.

    I wouldn’t have a choice in the matter.

  284. Ok, DP did a live interview with Greta on Oct. 31st, in the presence of Ric Mims. The video link may or may not work anymore, but RM and GVS both talk about the interview with DP and how he told her about the bikini and money…

    QUOTE:

    GRETA: When you and I first met, she disappeared on Sunday and you started staying at Drew’s house on Tuesday, is that right?

    MIMS: That’s correct.

    GRETA: And then on Wednesday that’s when I showed up and that’s when I first met you.

    MIMS: Right we were both sitting there when you were interviewing Drew.

    GRETA: Actually when I was interviewing Drew you heard him or maybe you didn’t hear him tell me that when she left that she took money and a bikini?

    MIMS: Yes, correct.

    GRETA: Have you ever heard him telling that to anyone before?

    MIMS: No, what he told me was that Stacy has found somebody else she wants to be with and she’s taken off with him, she’s took a large amount of money from the house that was cash and told him she was going on vacation for a while and to pick up the car at Clow Airport.

    GRETA: But you never heard the bikini thing?

    MIMS: I heard him when he told you the bikini thing but he never told me that.

    GRETA: You hear him tell that to anybody else?

    MIMS: No, no, I believe you’re the only one he told that to.

    GRETA: Did you hear him tell anybody else that he didn’t tell me?

    MIMS: No, he just told me some disturbing things, you know, about Stacy and her family that I find, you know that we’re so, there was just a very very sick thing that he was telling me about Stacy’s life and some of the things that has happened to her and I find, some of them I know are true because I heard them from Stacy but some of them are really sick that I just don’t believe.

    Shitake mushrooms! I can’t get the audio link to work.
    Well, here’s the transcript from Greta/FOX News:

    http://w ww.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308900,00.html

    Today show Matt Lauer’s interview with DP on 11/14/07:

    Part 1:
    ht tp://video.msn.com/video.aspx/?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=98456f87-5fda-422e-a4c2-285b8e94a648&wa=wsignin1.0

    Part 2:
    ht tp://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=ca576dfa-87a0-45e2-8542-46baa69f8c75

  285. I thought morphey’s story was he help load the body I don’t recall his story being that he also helped unload it.
    and I would expect drew to be worrying all day and night about cassandra looking for stacy considering she had been with stacy friday night and in touch with her all day saturday and at stacy’s saturday night.
    still makes no sense that cassandra did not go to drews within a few hours of not being able to contact stacy that afternoon or even call sharon to see if she could find her. I mean come on the night before according to cassandra stacy told her if I go missing come look for me or something to that effect. 11pm at night she finally shows up? and then the paint story makes no sense either.

  286. “wow none of the searches have turned up any evidence of FOWL play”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

  287. thanks bash maybe drew like the sound of cassandra’s saying bikini, 25k and passport.
    or isn’t that what cassandra said drew told her on the phone?

  288. basherette // June 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    “wow none of the searches have turned up any evidence of FOWL play”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    —-

    and that is funny why?
    this is what the state police stated and I don’t even think you can show evidence of foul play. hearsay maybe but I doubt you have any evidence there was foul play.

  289. basherette // June 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    “wow none of the searches have turned up any evidence of FOWL play”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    ================================

    uh uh…..you’re making it up……don’t tell me this is for real.

  290. So…He told Cass about the bikini and Greta as well, but not Mims.

    “GRETA: But you never heard the bikini thing?

    MIMS: I heard him when he told you the bikini thing but he never told me that.”

  291. bbismytown // June 4, 2008 at 12:23 am

    THAT I do not know.

    I’m just glad she was found. I couldn’t just sit here BSing on the computer while someone like that is out lost.

    That little girl is much. much more important and I would be out there for sure.

    I wouldn’t have a choice in the matter.

    I’m glad also and heck no that’s a given she’s more important than bsing.

  292. freedom08 // June 4, 2008 at 12:28 am

    basherette // June 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    “wow none of the searches have turned up any evidence of FOWL play”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    —-

    and that is funny why?
    ==========================
    K….that’s it…..i’m off to bed…..y’all are killing me.

    roflmaoroflmaoroflmaoroflmao

  293. freedom – I gotta ask this. You say it makes no sense to you that Cassandra didn’t call Sharon, or didn’t go to the Peterson house sooner. Also, the paint story makes no sense.

    I don’t understand what you are getting at, with all due respect. What do you mean? Exactly what is your point, is all I’m wondering.

    I’m asking you nicely, though, LOL!!!!

  294. Sorry… I was CHICKEN!!!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Aw, beans, if I keep laughing, I’m gonna have some seriously sore ribs tomorrow…

    And that would make me as mad as a wet hen…

    Wha..?

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

  295. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    The perfect example was tonight the TM, and the missing wife.

    All this time I’ve been thinking he truly had a missing wife, come to find out, he didn’t at all.

    That is how this all gets so outta hand. One person says something and people will with it.

    ——

    It’s true about some things being rumors that folks take and run with, yet the above info that TM’s 1st wife was missing came directly from Brodsky. No one else had reported or confirmed it. And then TM’s 1st wife was discovered alive and well, living in another area. Some of us at the time figured that Brodsky could have reported that as an indirect message from Drew to TM, to keep his mouth shut. Perhaps a way of reminding him that he ‘could’ make loved ones disappear, without coming right out and saying so. Probably a stretch. But that original info was given by Brodsky to the media, so it didn’t get started by a rumor.

    And for those who are keeping track of who has appeared at the Grand Jury…. Add to the list Stacy’s Aunt Candy from Cali, who went to the GJ the same day as the 22 yr. old. 🙂

  296. g8trgirl // June 4, 2008 at 12:29 am

    basherette // June 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    “wow none of the searches have turned up any evidence of FOWL play”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    ================================

    uh uh…..you’re making it up……don’t tell me this is for real.

    no she’s mocking my post regarding the below article I typed fowl instead of foul.
    —–
    Divers spent two days dragging a five-acre pond at Bolingbrook’s Clow International Airport, a few blocks from the Peterson home. Drew Peterson, who is a licensed pilot, said he found his wife’s car in Clow’s parking lot Monday
    State Police on Friday searched a hangar at Cushing Field in Sheridan, Illinois where Drew Peterson keeps a plane. Cushing Field is about 38 miles from the Peterson home. None of the searches have turned up any evidence of foul play, police said.

    h
    t
    t
    p://crime.about.com/b/2007/11/05/clues-sought-in-disappearance-of-stacy-peterson.htm

  297. “isn’t that what cassandra said drew told her on the phone?”
    *********

    No, that’s what JB says PB says CC says DP said, and also what CA says CC says DP said.

    Jeezlouise… try to keep up better, will ya?

  298. I believe morphey’s wife being missing came out way before JB was involved in the case. I remember many threads being posted on it on numerous boards including fsp early on in the case and the seems like someone actually located her living in Chicago way before it offically was reported she was not missing.

  299. Hey, sometimes typos make me laugh. Sorry…

    You can always poke fun at me for the cremation theory if you wanna!

  300. basherette // June 4, 2008 at 12:35 am

    “isn’t that what cassandra said drew told her on the phone?”
    *********

    No, that’s what JB says PB says CC says DP said, and also what CA says CC says DP said.

    Jeezlouise… try to keep up better, will ya?

    lol
    let me uncross my eyes after reading that maybe that will help me keep up better.

  301. Yeah, just found another link where Candace Aikin says Cass told her that’s what DP said…

    I need a new rib cage…

  302. basherette // June 4, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Hey, sometimes typos make me laugh. Sorry…

    You can always poke fun at me for the cremation theory if you wanna!

    well I didn’t even realize I type fowl when I asked what was soo funny it wasn’t until it was asked about again and it was funny!!

  303. g8trgirl // June 4, 2008 at 12:32 am

    freedom08 // June 4, 2008 at 12:28 am

    basherette // June 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    “wow none of the searches have turned up any evidence of FOWL play”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    —-

    and that is funny why?
    ==========================
    K….that’s it…..i’m off to bed…..y’all are killing me.

    roflmaoroflmaoroflmaoroflmao

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Is this in connection with chicken little?

  304. freedom08 // June 3, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    bruce also said after a GJ appearance that stacy was lethargic. too many meds??
    what was her mental state I don’t think anyone has really said. She was seeing a dr for her depression that supposedly was getting worse since tina’s death.
    _______________

    Yes, as stated by DREW. Nobody else. By the way, go back and listen to his tape when he talks about Stacy being depressed and how “WE” had her get help for the depression. Who is the “WE” ?

  305. letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Lets remember too with a cops schedule, family learn to deal with the changes, and the cops themselves learn to deal with little sleep.

    His routine could have easily been a napping type routine. A couple of hours here and there throught the day.

    We just dont know.
    _________________

    And it’s very possible that is why Stacy was depressed and still in bed. Perhaps Drew told her she was not going to paint that house because he was tired and was not going to listen to the kids all day…that she was to either take them with her or stay home. Perhaps that started off the “argument”. Fact is, we all know if we were going to paint someone’s house the last thing we would want to do is take a 2 and 4 year old! Can you imagine that? So Drew probably was upset and said “you’re not going…or you’re taking the kids”.

  306. g8trgirl // June 3, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    What little we have heard of Morphy’s info to LE early on sounds believable to me……..why on earth would he insert himself into this case for no reason……..has DP admitted to being with TM that evening or did he deny it?
    ______________

    He refuses to say what transpired that day.

  307. freedom08 // June 3, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    letthetruthbefree // June 3, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    What dogs can hit on, and how long after a crime they can hit on is amazing.

    very amazing! but they also do have hits that are not accurate.
    and the picture I’ve seen of the dog infront of the garage door looks like the dog was photshopped in the pic. something doesn’t look real about that picture IMO.
    _________________

    Cadaver dogs are trained on the scent of cadavers / decomposing bodies/ body fluids. I have been told if stacy was smothered, in her bed, and then removed within 30 minutes…no cadaver dog is going to make a hit on that bed or bedroom. We all know “body fluids”, skin cells, children wetting their pants, etc. are found on bed sheets everyday and especially in a home with a two year old.

    Also, keep in mind that the article you posted regarding the “carpet square test” does not contain all the necessary needed information. Such as, those bodies that were deceased for ten minutes and they picked up on the squares.

    A valuable question would be…what did the deceased die from? This is important. If they were ederly subjects, patients with diseased processes that means the bodies of those subjects were already in some form of decomposing state prior to death…by disease. This is factual knowledge due to my years of working in histopathology in the labs.

    Again, I find it near impossible if Stacy were smothered, and removed within 20 minutes or so…that a cadaver dog would have made a hit if the only remnants left behind was saliva on a pillow. (many people drool in their sleep) As for the release of bowels, that would depend on the process of her body and the last time she had a movement. Bowel release does not happen all the time with death, nor does the release of bladder if she recently went to the bathroom.

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