Your Thread – June 24

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74 thoughts on “Your Thread – June 24

  1. Anything more to the Drew eggster story? No TP in his trees? No soap on his windows? I have to comment that it does get under my skin that people will waste food, etc. to pull such a prank. Eggs are not cheap! I detest waste!

  2. State wants Drew’s subpoena quashed

    June 24, 2008Recommend

    By STEWART WARREN SWARREN@SCN1.COM
    JOLIET — The state wants to prevent Drew Peterson from getting police information to use as evidence in the court proceedings involving a felony gun charge filed against him.

    Will County Assistant State’s Attorney Domenica Osterberger asked a judge June 13 to quash Peterson’s subpoena.

    Peterson, 54, a retired Bolingbrook police sergeant, was charged last month with the unauthorized use of a weapon. It accused him of owning a Colt Sporter Lightweight, 223 Remington rifle with an attached EOTech electronic sight that allegedly is too short. By law, the gun must be a certain length.

    In November, state police took that gun, several other weapons, cars and some personal items from Peterson’s home during the search for his missing wife, Stacy Peterson, 23. The young mother of two — Peterson’s fourth wife — disappeared in October and hasn’t been seen since.

    Earlier this year, Peterson asked a judge to give the weapons back. The felony charge was filed the day before he was scheduled to appear in court and work out the final details of their return.

    Joel Brodsky, one of Peterson’s lawyers, argues Peterson used the gun while working as a police officer and that made him exempt from the law. On May 22, Brodsky filed a subpoena asking that the Bolingbrook police turn over a series of records detailing Peterson’s use of firearms while on the department.

    But the subpoena is “overly broad” and doesn’t seek information related to the felony gun charge, Osterberger argued in the motion to quash.

    Peterson will return to Will County Judge Richard Schoenstedt’s courtroom at 9:30 a.m. June 30.

  3. I have been a lurker for a while now. When I was reading the post above something struck me and I had to comment about it. “Joel Brodsky, one of Peterson’s lawyers, argues Peterson used the gun while working as a police officer and that made him exempt from the law.” I feel that Peterson thought he was exempt from more laws than just the gun usage law.

  4. kekee73 // June 24, 2008 at 11:37 am

    I have been a lurker for a while now. When I was reading the post above something struck me and I had to comment about it. “Joel Brodsky, one of Peterson’s lawyers, argues Peterson used the gun while working as a police officer and that made him exempt from the law.” I feel that Peterson thought he was exempt from more laws than just the gun usage law.
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    Unfortunately, there are too many cops who think they are exempt from the law in all aspects.

    I do believe he is a narcissist personality & would feel that way whether he had been a cop or not!

  5. Thanks for the post, Facsmiley.

    What’s going on now, do you think? If JB is looking for “overly broad” information that doesn’t relate to the felony gun charge, what, in the BBPD records, is he looking for?

  6. I assumed they wanted the records of allowed guns for dp’s use while on duty. The bb police say there is no record of that gun, dp says there is. jb is trying to get ANYTHING he can, that may help with the case.

  7. Yes, I’m sure he just used the opportunity to try to get as much as he could in order to better prepare a defense. In this case it might have been smarter to stick just to evidence concerning the gun charge.

    In a way it relates to the egg incident. Huge overkill in going to the Illinois District Attorney to try to get an ‘obstruction of justice’ charge against Sharon. But then, myabe it’s not such a strange thing to do. Maybe it’s typical of defense lawyers to always ask for more and go to seemingly outrageous lengths in hopes of gaining a little?

  8. “I assumed they wanted the records of allowed guns for dp’s use while on duty. The bb police say there is no record of that gun, dp says there is. jb is trying to get ANYTHING he can, that may help with the case.”
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    The only thing Brodsky may be successful in doing, is getting Drew’s pension taken away. It was stated early on that one of the ways to rescind the pension was if Drew was convicted of a Felony while he was on duty. Well, if the gun is not registered with BBPD, Brodsky says Drew used it while on duty, & the gun is ruled as illegal……Bye, Bye $6,000. pension per month!! JMO

  9. It seems to be that JB is all over the place, with no pattern of reason, regarding this camera business.

    On the one hand, here’s an excerpt from the JHosey article about the cameras (6/11):

    Regardless of whether state police or Bychowski put the cameras up, Brodsky wants them turned away from his client’s house.

    If it is police, he questioned the constitutionality of the cameras focusing on Peterson. If the cameras belong to Bychowski, Peterson is the victim of a “clear-cut invasion of privacy,” Brodsky said.

    “The first thing we have to do is figure out who’s doing it. I’m not taking (Bychowski’s) word for it,” he said. “If it turns out it is her, I’ll take action. I promise you.”

    Now, on the other hand, this is what Facsmiley posted about JB’s current thinking:

    From: Raymond McGury
    Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:16 AM
    To: joelbrodsky@xxxxxxxx.net
    Cc: John R. Connor; James Glascow
    Subject: RE: Report # CR0821782 filed 6/19/08

    Mr. Brodsky,

    I am aware of the eggs being thrown at Mr. Peterson’s house. I am also aware that Mrs. Bykowski would not allow us to view her surveillance camera. I will leave the legal interpretation of Obstruction of Justice to Mr. Connor from the Will County States Attorneys Office.

    Regards,

    Raymond J. McGury
    Chief of Police
    Bolingbrook Police Department
    375 W. Briarcliff Rd.
    Bolingbrook,IL. 60440-0951

    So, here’s the latest, after referring to my secret decoder book:

    a) Brodsky hasn’t publicly announced any formal filings with regard to the cameras being LE’s, thus requiring him to act on the premise that they’re unconstitutional. Therefore, one would assume he has determined that they’re not LE’s cameras;

    b) Brodsky hasn’t publicly announced any formal filings with regard to the cameras being SBykowski’s, thus requiring him to act on the premise that she is invading DP’s privacy. Therefore, one must assume that if he has now determined they are SBykowski’s cameras, she is not in violation of any invasion of privacy law;

    c) Brodsky HAS publicly supplied an email response from the Chief of the BBPD, which shows that he’s now considering SBykowski an obstructionist of justice, since she won’t turn over recordings from her cameras to LE.

    According to my secret decoder book, LE is in the clear,and SBykowski isn’t invading DP’s privacy. But she is obstructing justice for not allowing the true villains to be captured after egging DP’s house, by allowing LE to see the recordings.

    NEWS FLASH: Watch for GSelig, the PR guru, to put out a hot bulletin that SBykowski is obstructing justice by covering up for evil egg throwers, even though his PR disaster of a client, Drew Peterson, is being investigated for two deaths.

    Brodsky is truly losing his grip. He’s so befuddled these days, he doesn’t know which part of the law to quote anymore. Thank goodness we’re all smarter than that!!!

  10. Howdy all!

    lol ofcourse the state wants the subpoena squashed and what a BS excuse it’s to broad. Cough up the records BBPD, unless you are afraid the records show Drew is innocent of this charge!!
    That’s my take is the records show that the weapon was infact registered and the weapons charge is bogus!!
    Funny how the hang drew crowd totally ignores this aspect and goes on and on about hanging drew high and taking his pension away.
    lol too funny the State wants to prosecute Drew but they don’t want to pony up the evidence to prove his guilty.
    No wonder they are putting all their eggs into the hearsay law. The State of IL should be ashamed of themselves for their tatics IMO!

  11. My thought is they will wait until they see whether he is found guilty on the weapons charge, and go from there with the arrest for the death of Kathleen and possibly the disappearance/death of Stacy.

    What better place than a courthouse to arrest him. He would have been checked for weapons and there will be security all around.

    IMO

  12. Hey freedom!

    On the contrary, I think JB is so in the dark as to what’s going on, he’s trying every which way to find out what he can.

    While you may be right in your thinking, although I am not going to admit to agreeing with you, LOL, I would like to think that LE thought this all out.

  13. Howdy rescue! Please tell me how is JB in the dark when his subpoena requesting the records is pretty standard operating procedure for a defense lawyer.
    If the State has the proof that the weapon was not registered then what’s the problem with turning those records over to the defense? It is the law or does the State of IL make up their laws as they go??

    doesn’t matter when the weapon was altered they are supposed to certify their weapons EVERY year with the BBPD. So if he modified it in 2006 when he qualified his weapons in 2007 they would have noted the modification and approved it or disapproved it.

    noway it’s not about playing nice and sharing it’s about the letter of the LAW and the LAW is that the defense is entitled to those records.

  14. lol
    I didn’t mean to! And I didn’t think I did … because I’ve had it happen before and not be posted like that.

    Gatehouse could you delete that post? Please!

  15. as far as when they are going to arrest drew for KS or SP deaths, you can bet your sweet bippy it won’t be until the hearsay law is in effect.
    LE has shown their cards IMO and they don’t appear to have anything but hearsay to convict drew on.
    how sad!

  16. amandareckonwith // June 24, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    I have a feeling they destroyed the records.

    The pictures clearly did show that DP used the weapon on duty. BPD needs to cough it up or look corrupt again.
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    I thought that once Drew modified it, as Joel said he did, that it no longer “was” the same weapon. So the pictures from 2002 or so don’t mean anything.

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    This is all I meant to post (please work, please work)!

  17. Freedom, Osterberger argues that Brodsky’s subpoena isn’t for information related to the gun charge.

    “But the subpoena is “overly broad” and doesn’t seek information related to the felony gun charge, Osterberger argued in the motion to quash.”

  18. freedom – I just mean he’s in the dark because, as is with us, the “adoring” public, he doesn’t know what’s going to happen next when it comes to LE.

    Does he know if GJ is done? Does he know if there’s witnesses lurking that he doesn’t know about, does he know if DP is close to being charged regarding KS or in the disappearance/presumed death of SP? He wants to know if LE is watching his client or not with cameras.

    It just seems JB is fishing for info most of the time, just as much as we are. He wanted to know the gossip about why fsp was dismantled, remember? So, that’s what I meant by he’s in the dark.

  19. noway it’s not about playing nice and sharing it’s about the letter of the LAW and the LAW is that the defense is entitled to those records.
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    And the state, who follows the same LAW, is “squashing” the subpoena, right?

    Both sides are doing what they are supposed to. IMO

  20. Oh, and by the way, I cannot, in my wildest dreams, imagine the current BBPD shredding records. I don’t think the current regime should be lumped together with the former regime, since it seems LE is now bound and determined to nail DP. Why should they get a bad rap for the former’s doings?

  21. Shredding the records is unlikely given that the police officer might actually have a copy of that same record, isn’t it?

  22. Hey you guys – how is Brodsky doing his job anyway? He’s so “all over the place,” he makes MY head spin.

    One minute he’s beefing about Sharon having cameras pointed at his client’s house, the next he wants her forced to turn over the recordings. He makes up the rules as he goes along. He’s an idiot!

  23. kekee73 // June 24, 2008 at 11:37 am

    I have been a lurker for a while now. When I was reading the post above something struck me and I had to comment about it. “Joel Brodsky, one of Peterson’s lawyers, argues Peterson used the gun while working as a police officer and that made him exempt from the law.” I feel that Peterson thought he was exempt from more laws than just the gun usage law.
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    Welcome kekee! You’re absolutely right that Drew feels he’s above the law in many respects.

  24. rescue ofcourse he’s in the dark until his client is charged with a crime. Which he has been concerning the weapon. So the defense is entitled to discovery.
    I would hope any defense attorney spends his time fishing for information concerning what could happen to his client. that’s what defense attorney’s do all day long.
    facs- If the subpoena is to broad then provide what is necessary concerning the weapon.I highly doubt that this subpoena failed to seek information regarding the gun charges.
    Also this subpoena was issued over a month ago and they are just now realizing it’s too broad? Or are they just now realizing that these records prove Drew is innocent of the weapons charges and the Chief of BBPD lied to the public and DA!

  25. noway406 // June 24, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Shredding the records is unlikely given that the police officer might actually have a copy of that same record, isn’t it?

    my understanding is that the only record is the one in the file but don’t take that as gospel.
    oh you can bet that they WOULD shread records to avoid this major embarrasment.

  26. lol how does anyone know what drew feels? you can tell a person feelings just by the media reports?
    If drew thought he was above the law then why did he immediately turn himself in when a warrant for his arrest was issued? Why did he take the above the law attitude and take off or make them come get him?
    funny!!

  27. freedom – I’m shaking you by your shoulders right now!!!!! Because if he didn’t turn himself him and he did take off, his kids would have been the ones to suffer. He’s a big boy, he can take care of himself, but they can’t!

  28. As to shredding records, don’t you think these records are in the computer system, or electronically available?

  29. rescueapet // June 24, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Thanks for the post, Facsmiley.

    What’s going on now, do you think? If JB is looking for “overly broad” information that doesn’t relate to the felony gun charge, what, in the BBPD records, is he looking for?
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    One thought that comes to mind is perhaps JB is looking for information on other police officers who might testify in/when Drew is indicted for the death of Kathleen Savio and/or the disappearance of Stacy.

    One police officer that testified before the grand jury was Alex Morelli, a former partner of Drew’s. I remember an article stating that Alex Morelli was angry with Drew. Perhaps JB is looking for something he can use to intimidate Morelli?

  30. FSP was dismantled by Cassandra. She finally got sick and tired of the garbage that was not in the least helping her or Stacy.

    She got rid of Anthony as admin. Got rid of JulieinCA when Anthony refused.

    I bet she’d burn down the idiot garden if she could.

  31. rescueapet // June 24, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    As to shredding records, don’t you think these records are in the computer system, or electronically available?
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    Eyeroll. Huge. Eyeroll.

  32. LOL, Amanda. Do you think Chief McGury is in on the conspiracy? I thought he seemed like he was an up-and-up kind of guy?

  33. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy persay I think LE stepped on their dingdongs on this one! over zealous to charge drew with anything!! desperation.

  34. P.S. Who, exactly, shredded the records then? Did BBPD turn them over to the State’s Attorney, who, in turned shredded them, or did Chief McGury, or one of his people, shred them?

    I’m just wondering who, exactly, we’re condemning here.

  35. lol rescue it’s a guess that they shredded them just like most of the comments about drew out here are guesses. if they were shredded then my guess would be someone from the bbpd possibly the chief.

  36. If it helps his department in the glaring eyes of the media, you bet your ass McGury would do what he needed to. Including look the other way when shredding happens.

    “Oh darn, where oh where are the records” “We have no record of any records”

    I like McGury too, he is apparently a good man.

    Good men also do what they have to do. *If* it is true as Brodsky says, that the SWAT officers were able to modify guns at will, the case will be thrown out.

    No way would I have done a lame arrest such as that if I ran the ISP or BPD. It shows the weakness of the actual case they want him for. I’d make DP and JB sweat it out waiting for a murder indictment.

  37. freedom – I think most of what LE throws out there, what little there is, or, in this case, the weapons charge, is probably meant to cause DP grief in any way they can.

    The only thing is, and I truly believe this, is that DP doesn’t seem like the type that gets rattled very easily. At least, not about this stuff.

    Now, take away his current love interest, or cheat on HIM, well, then, we’ve got something going. Otherwise, it’s like a bug he flicks off himself. Doesn’t phase him in the least.

  38. freedom08 // June 24, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    as far as when they are going to arrest drew for KS or SP deaths, you can bet your sweet bippy it won’t be until the hearsay law is in effect.
    LE has shown their cards IMO and they don’t appear to have anything but hearsay to convict drew on.
    how sad!
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    I don’t feel hearsay is ALL the prosecution has to convict Drew Peterson.

    I’m sure the prosecution has evidence, but without a body, they will need as much additional evidence to insure a conviction.

    The hearsay law will allow certain evidence to be brought into the case that will support the existing evidence. And, it’s up to the judge in the case to rule on the hearsay evidence. It’s not a blanket law, allowing all hearsay, but only that which a judge deems admissible.

  39. rescue- LE throwing this weapon charge out there shows nothing but their desperation and IMO doesn’t give drew much grief. matter of fact if he is innocent the grief will be on LE & the DA they will look like assclowns once again.
    hehe yeah messing up his love life does seem to upset him.

    I wish Cassandra would burn down sharons disgusting shrine and spray paint the camera lenses black.
    nosey old lady!!

  40. molly I think if LE had any actual evidence they would
    a. name drew a suspect in kathleens death

    b. arrest him yesterday

  41. and speaking of the nosey old lady sharon, how on earth could drew move anything especially stacy’s body out of that house without nosey rosey seeing it happen? her house is almost on top of drews.

  42. Freedom, you should have seen old bobblehead run towards the cameraman and reporter at the Lisa Walk when they were interviewing her hub instead of her. It was a sight to behold, let me tell you! Even funnier was when the guy walked away.

    Her remark at the Lisa Walk? “Next time, let’s just go to lunch.”

  43. NO amanda she didn’t!! geesh how disgusting next time let’s go to lunch! yeah she cares about Lisa missing. Guess since it wasn’t her faux best friend lunch is a better way to spend her time!

  44. omg, you would not believe how fake she is.
    Well, yeah, you would. Just like you imagine.

    She talked during the prayer and the dove release. I wanted to bitchslap her for that.

  45. how freakin rude I wish someone would bitch slap her into reality!
    so she probably knows how egged drews house and is going to keep that information because breaking the law is OK when it comes to sticking it to DP!
    The eggs probably came from the bobblehead garden club anyway!!

  46. freedom08 // June 24, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    and speaking of the nosey old lady sharon, how on earth could drew move anything especially stacy’s body out of that house without nosey rosey seeing it happen? her house is almost on top of drews.
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    He was seen moving a container out of the house on the night that Stacy disappeared, but it wasn’t sharon who saw – it was a different nosy neighbor.

  47. Yeah, that’s where I read it. In ‘the media’.

    “Posted: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 5:03PM
    Missing Barrel Investigated In Peterson Case
    BOLINGBROOK, Ill. (WBBM/CBS 2/STNG)

    …But a neighbor claims to have seen Drew and another man removing a blue barrel from the house shortly after Stacy disappeared on October 28th

    ….Last Friday, the Sun-Times reported that a neighbor told police he saw Drew Peterson and another man loading a barrel into the SUV.”

  48. Oh, as much as I love bantering back and forth with our different ideas, I HATE when we start the Sharon bashing stuff. I’ll go on my merry way until it’s done.

    Once again, from my viewpoint. As I sit here behind my keyboard, I am in no position to criticize or ridicule someone who has either spent time or is spending their time looking for the dead mother of four minor children. Nosy, busy body, whatever else some want to call her, we all have our own personalities. Who are we to criticize? Now, on the other hand, Mr. Peterson is being investigated for having the “misfortune” of losing wives, who are also mothers to his children. Him, I will continue to criticize, thanks, in most part, for the way he came out swinging, by degrading and demoralizing his dead wives, without them having the luxury of being here to defend themselves. Come to think of it, he has degraded and demoralized just about most everyone that was ever a part of his life, including calling his own mother senile, just because she was compelled to appear before a GJ.

    So, go right on ahead and have your day. Good for you.

  49. Rescue – I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I may not konw to appreciate a neighbor like Sharon when I’m living next door to her, but the day I disappear under mysterious circumstances, I’ll thank God for her!

    She’s the best friend those kids ever had.

  50. amanda said: She talked during the prayer and the dove release. I wanted to bitchslap her for that.

    I don’t even want to go there. There’s a few things I’d like to see happen to DPeterson. He’s the focus of this whole thing. Why Sharon has to continuously be brought into this because some don’t like her mannerisms, or think she’s nosy, is just beyond me. Not liking her ways is one thing, but she sure as hell didn’t murder anyone. Peterson, on the other hand, well, what do you guys have to say about the crap he is known for??????

  51. Let’s see – the BBPD is corrupt and shreds documents, Sharon is a busy body and nosy, LE has nothing to nail DP for …..

    And the main attraction, the man under investigation for the fate of two women, is making jokes in his back yard about Sharon having cameras pointed at him so she can see him nude.

    OMG, GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!

  52. Rescue – I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I may not konw to appreciate a neighbor like Sharon when I’m living next door to her, but the day I disappear under mysterious circumstances, I’ll thank God for her!

    She’s the best friend those kids ever had.
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    I agree – I would want Sharon on my side. =)

  53. Right. Sharon isn’t the enemy. Drew Peterson is.

    Oh, and moms and dad, lock up your young daughters, cuz ya never know when Drew will come calling!

  54. freedom08 // June 24, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    and speaking of the nosey old lady sharon, how on earth could drew move anything especially stacy’s body out of that house without nosey rosey seeing it happen? her house is almost on top of drews.
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    I don’t think she had any reason to watch him this closely before Stacy disappeared.

    And … Sharon was gone for most of the morning the day Stacy disappeared. So there is no telling what Drew did that Sharon didn’t see.

  55. Yeah, but what’s funny is, Drew Peterson didn’t have a problem with Sharon before he “lost” his wife, did he. In fact, when he needed to run errands and “clear his head,” Sharon was good in his book then, good enough to keep his children and tend to their needs while he ran out.

    Now, he doesn’t have a kind word for her, and seems to have passed that along to a few others.

    But, wait. Drew has not a kind word for anyone these days. See, you get that way when you’re on the brink of going to the slammer for losing two wives.

  56. Living next door to a guy who probably killed two wives can’t be easy.

    Sharon may like media attention, but I see it as self-preservation. If Sharon went missing, or was harmed in any way, who do you think would be suspect?

    With the egg-throwing incident, I wonder if Drew may have given some kids some eggs and told them to egg his house. The purpose being to force the issue about Sharon’s cameras. He’s scared at what those cameras might capture, or may have already captured. He really wants to see what’s on the films.

  57. Go ahead and wish for a nosy neighbor who will be your kids’ best friend by setting them up time and time again.

    She was no bff of Stacy either. Not in any shape or form. She was Stacy’s employer, told her what to do and scolded her if it was done wrong.

    How often does Cassandra tend Sharons princess garden/memorial/death shrine? Never, you say?

    Why is that?

    I will bash Sharon until the kowskis come home. I used to be one of her loving flock. That woman has slapped those babies Stacy loved… over and over and over… every day they don’t dare play outside in the sunshine because of the binocular/camera “lady” waiting to record every move the Petersons make.

  58. amanda – you seem to always know so much about Stacy as well as everyone involved.

    I wasn’t aware Stacy worked for Sharon. At which company? Just curious.

    Thanks

  59. I think Stacy worked for Sharon in some capacity in Sharon’s Avon business. I don’t know what she did though.

  60. Joel posted that the court date on the gun charge has been continued to July 14 at 1:30 p.m.

    Because of scheduling problems with the judge and the attorneys … the motion to dismiss will be heard on that date.

  61. lol
    I remember my jobs like that. My dad made us file taxes anyway … so we’d get used to the federal tax system. 🙂

  62. That woman has slapped those babies Stacy loved… over and over and over… every day they don’t dare play outside in the sunshine because of the binocular/camera “lady” waiting to record every move the Petersons make.
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    You certainly are projecting quite a bit onto the kids. Personally, I would never presume to know how they feel either about Sharon, playing outside, or anything else.

    Why not join Drew and Joel in being grateful that Sharon is keeping an eye on things. They sure seemed to change their tune about the camera once Drew’s house was egged. Good thing she’s got those cameras!

  63. Until Sharon makes herself the supsect in a missing person or homicide, I’ll continue to think of her as completely blameless regarding the Peterson case.

    As long as she continues to speak out in defense of her friend and participate in efforts to find her and get justice, she has my respect.

  64. Sorry, Amanda … I posted and had to dash off to my sister’s.

    Joel didn’t say anything about Drew being able to go out of state for his vacation … not that I know of anyway.

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