Your Thread – July 22

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206 thoughts on “Your Thread – July 22

  1. From Ashley’s Blog:

    Ashley said…
    bpd95969 (4/11/2008 1:04:35 AM): the cam girls love me im their god
    real ashley (4/11/2008 1:05:48 AM): the cam girls like your credit card buster
    bpd95969 (4/11/2008 1:06:11 AM): dont get it i have problems last minute
    real ashley (4/11/2008 1:06:41 AM): huh ? dont get it ? you have problems last minute ?
    bpd95969 (4/11/2008 1:08:11 AM): i let them work me up then they want to see me on cam so i turn it on with my 13 year old on there and have him type o no my dads home

    ___________________________________

    So nice of him to put his 13 yr old kids face on cam for the cyber sluts huh

    July 22, 2008 12:43 AM

    *****

    Oh my G*d…

  2. It’s like a trainwreck:

    Ashley said…
    Response to anonymous post @ 1:06 AM , All I can say is he had no problem showing his kids on cam – you seen the one I posted it had his lil son in the background and there was a few other times where he had the 2 Lil ones sit on his lap and smile & wave to me , I also seen his 13 yr old on cam b4 in the background .

    July 22, 2008 1:11 AM

  3. And another one:

    Ashley said…
    bpd95969 (4/10/2008 12:50:42 PM): as usual im gettin ahead of myself just go out with me one night alone throw lenny to your friend and let me look into your eyes
    bpd95969 (4/10/2008 12:51:17 PM): i really need you in my life
    real ashley (4/10/2008 12:51:27 PM): what if she fv(ks lenny to death
    bpd95969 (4/10/2008 12:51:40 PM): a life partner to keep things in line
    bpd95969 (4/10/2008 12:52:07 PM): then you will have to ride my other motor cycle back

    July 22, 2008 12:58 AM

    *****

    UG… and yet he wonders why none of his buddies are spouting off about what a grand fellow he is???

  4. Heck, it’s definitely not boring tonight over there! Here’s another snippet by someone we all know and love- “Anonymous”…

    Anonymous said:
    yeah, and while they’re at it, maybe they can check into DP’s cop buddy, dennis Pratl (the internet specialist who, in my opinion, manufactures false evidence to convict innocent ppl ( state of illinois vs. james leonard), who dp claims not to know, yet pratl mysteriously ended up on the savio coroner’s jury and testified to DP’s wonder character (puke).oh and what another big coinkidink, pratl has ties to blue island also, but supposedly he’s not the same d. pratl that was arrested recently for aggravated criminal sexual abuse on a 12 yr old girl….yeah, i don’t think i believe that.
    D.PRATL CORONERS JURY-
    http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4982084&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

    http://www.crime-research.org/news/09.07.2005/1354/ D.PRATYL – who has a specialty in Internet-related crime
    Ties to blue island http://calendar.northstarnet.org/calevent_detail.asp?Event_ID=28173&EventDate=1/31/2007&View=Week&selectSubject=0&selectCommunity=0&selectDay=1&selectMonth=2&selectYear=2007

    July 22, 2008 1:45 AM
    *****

    Guess I picked a good night to have insomnia…

  5. I think he is a far sicker man than we all thought. I’m still concerned with the “yes she did, no she didn’t” take the info to the ISP. I cannot imagine “playing that game” with DP while knowing his children were involved and NOT taking it to the authorities. And I’m not talking by “anonymous” emails….I’m talking about full reporting. What he is doing to those children is terrible and the authorities should be aware. Given Ashley credit…she is right on when she says both Drew and Brodsky have not uttered a word in the past three weeks. Now we all see why. I just hope the authorities have seen all this as well….long before any of us did.

  6. About all I have to say about this latest revelation is that it is very, very uncomfortable to read. It’s hard to imagine that a dad would even conjure up an idea like this. I guess there’s not much else to say. It’ll get picked apart, and, I suppose, many will blame the messenger instead of Peterson, once again. But, for all that we bicker about here, I don’t ‘think there’s one of us that can stomach this latest controversy. Not when it involves this “man” using his children for unsavory reasons.

    I also wonder two things about the teens. Either they are in a precarious situation and don’t know how to deal with it or who they can trust to help them, or they are in defense mode and do what they can to get through it.

    Sad day for all, I’d say.

  7. Hi rescue

    You said it.
    Everyone’s said it. This time I say it, too. “I didn’t think he could possibly do or say anything more depraved than we’ve already heard.”

    He’s done it.

  8. Rescue – keep i n mind, you are believing the word of an anonymous person on the internet that that actually happened. They offer photoshop at the local college. And since s/he supposedly turned over all of the conversations to the ISP weeks ago, if it were true, those kids would be outta there pronto!

    Ever notice how the posts aren’t all in order, and they aren’t ever all full conversations?

    IT IS JUST THE FRIGGIN’ INTERNET.
    I could be the queen of England or Cyndi Lauper for all you guys know.

  9. Well, ya can’t blame it on on the internet because the internet is made up of a bunch of computers that are able to access each other and share data/information. It is the people that operate the computers that enter lies, fantacy, etc. I don’t believe everything I read; but take it with a grain of salt.

  10. Just in case those comments go buh-bye over at Ashley’s here’s a few more she posted last night:

    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:38:15 PM): you never gave me the chance to be yours
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:38:59 PM): we never agreed we were together
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:39:22 PM): you never even said that i had a chance
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:39:50 PM): i just hoped
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:40:07 PM): then you stopped talking all together
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:40:23 PM): what was i to do
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:41:35 PM): i went on national tv and all i could think of was some way to let you know i was sincere about you

  11. real ashley (5/11/2008 2:41:48 PM): it dont matter Drew ,,,, i stayed away to test you to see if all you words to me were really true and they were not because you played with others so dont be mad at me ” BE MAD AT YOURSELF ” i was just test driving the car a.k.a you before i decided to buy it and what a lemon it turned out to be what a f*ckin sh*t box of a vehicle you are
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:45:29 PM): All you did was set me up for failure because you have built a wall around yourself so any man cant get in.
    real ashley (5/11/2008 2:45:36 PM): all these things i did were a test and boy did you fail BADLY !!!!!!!
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:45:42 PM): OUCH
    real ashley (5/11/2008 2:46:38 PM): no i didnt set you up to fail ,,,,, i set a course that would have led to me but your little rat ass chose some other stank ass cheese
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:47:33 PM): Well I’m going to take my sh*t box self and live my life with my kids the best i can.

  12. bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:48:24 PM): that really wasnt my intention
    real ashley (5/11/2008 2:48:28 PM): i am not mad at you for being that typical man …. men are dogs and dogs hunt ya know
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:49:33 PM): I really thought I could give up a good life and I’m sorry i failed you test
    bpd95969 (5/11/2008 2:49:57 PM): I will truly regret it for the rest of my life
    real ashley (5/11/2008 2:50:35 PM): lmao no disrespect to you but the only thing you might regret is getting caught

  13. Kimmer – I guess for you, it’s easier to explain it all away and believe that it’s all fabricated than to believe he’d stoop so low as to do something as this. I have to admit, that would be the better of the two issues – it’s made up vs. he used his son, Kris.

    I’m not the one that has to sort it all out. I guess it’ll all be revealed one way or the other. But, if it turns out that it is not fabricated and is, in fact, what he said he did, it’s pretty hard to get past that, isn’t it?

    If it is all lies and Internet conspiracy, then, it’s a good thing – for Kris, that is. He wasn’t used by his father.

  14. Rescue – why would it be easier for me to just “explain it away’? Because I believe in our Bill of Rights vs. a lynch mob mentality? Really, explain that comment.

    Seriously, some people would try to pin global warming and the war of 1812 on DP if they could.

    If this Ashley broad took it to the ISP, I’m sure they’d be ALL over it. If she didn’t then I know that they are aware of her site and are all over it now. Either way the lynch mob isn’t doing much to help the case of LE to get this guy.

  15. rescueapet // July 22, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Kimmer – I knew better than to try and blog with you.

    Have a good day.
    ++++++++++++
    That’s a pretty cowardly way out. I simply asked you why you said I could just explain it away. Care you explain or just going to retreat?

  16. I did explain myself quite well.

    The better of the two options is that it IS fabricated. I didn’t take a course in PhotoShop, so I don’t know the logistics of recreating chats for entertainment purposes. Can you explain how that is accomplished?

    You are “sure” ISP would be all over it if Ashley took all of this to them.

    I’m not “sure” of anything in this whole mess. I am sure that you consider anyone that can’t stand the sight of Drew Peterson part of a lynch mob.

  17. Rescue – Not the part about me just explaing it away. Really, I try to not have to engage you in discussion, as it typically turns out to you being nasty.

    Have I ever ONCE said that I support DP? I have confindence that our LE is doing their job in this case and if there’s something there, they’ll find it.

    That would be like me saying:
    I am SURE that you consider anyone that doesn’t bash DP into the ground every chance they get, is guilty of murdering Stacy.

    Sounds a little childish, now doesn’t it?

  18. Quit blaming me for being NASTY.

    NASTY is bloggers that take your personal pictures that you put up on the “figgin internet” and post links to them just to humiliate and attack you. I don’t condone nor agree with posters who do that. However, that is my idea of “NASTY.” So, I am quite “sure” that you are neither the Queen of England or Cyndi Lauper.

    You picking apart every word I blog to you is distasteful to you, but not NASTY.

    Now, you want to talk about NASTY?

  19. Perhaps defensive would have been a better word? I was simply asking for reasoning behind why you’d think I could just explain it away.

    Sure that’s nasty, and it was taken care of by my attorney. But hey, thanks for taking note of the bad behavior by those that I don’t 100% agree with.

  20. bucketoftea // July 22, 2008 at 11:34 am

    I wish Cyndi Lauper WAS the Queen of England
    ++++++++++++++
    You mean she’s not? My friend on the internet told me she was! You mean she lied? :gasp:

  21. If we assume for the moment that the conversations are legit, it is interesting to see how driven Drew is to pursue the attentions of women. He really does seem addicted to the thrill of the conquest. Of course, he isn’t the only guy who is like this. But it does bear out what we’ve been reading about him all these months.

    Given how his intense need for female attention is pretty much out there now, he should probably stop mentioning how Stacy loved male attention.

    And poor Len! Drew’s got him being donked to death and left behind. Dude gets no respect.

  22. I wrote that post over an hour ago and then took my kid to the Dr., came back and saw that I never sent it.

    Hope it still makes sense….

  23. I’d really like to know how one could recreate an online chat in PhotoShop.

    I’m not being sarcastic, nasty, defensive. I’m just wondering how that could be done. Since I don’t know anything about PhotoShop, that sounds like an interesting thought.

  24. Rescue, it wouldn’t be hard to erase content and rewrite in the text of an IM (or PM as Ashley calls them) in any image editor. You would just need to match the font, color and contrast.

    That said, I don’t think that is what Ashley has done. I have no proof either way, but I think the conversations are legit.

    Ashey has the data logs on her computer of course, so that’s all the proof she would ever need.

  25. So, she would have to take a screen shot of a chat, take it to PhotoShop, and edit any text within it to conform to what we’ve been seeing?

  26. Yeah, Facs, that’s the next step to get past. If that was all edited and recreated, then how would she get around the time stamps, IP addresses, and tracks that computers leave?

    No, no one has any proof either way. It would be nice to believe that the latest revelation isn’t true, though, because it involves Kris. No one wants to believe that. No one.

  27. Plus, I think that if Ashley’s screencaps were frauds, Joel would have gone a lot further than just making accusations and complaining on message boards.

    The fact that she’s still online and posting indicates to me that the content is what she says it is.

  28. rescueapet // July 22, 2008 at 11:56 am

    No, no one has any proof either way.
    ******************************

    Well, no one reading her posts could have proof either way, but the proof of the pudding is on her hard drive – one way or another. 🙂

  29. I’m sure she’s had these chats with him, I don’t doubt that, but some of the content could be taken out of context. Conversations aren’t posted in order, etc… The ones posted in her comments section are soooooo easy to manipulate, much easier than a photoshop edit.

  30. facsmiley // July 22, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    rescueapet // July 22, 2008 at 11:56 am

    No, no one has any proof either way.
    ******************************

    Well, no one reading her posts could have proof either way, but the proof of the pudding is on her hard drive – one way or another.
    +++++++++++++++
    Doesn’t sound like she’s offering that up anytime soon..LOL!

  31. The one thing that I find the most compelling about this is Drew and Joel’s complete silence about the Ashley blog. They are NOT saying she is lying. They actually acknowledged that he had chatted with someone online.

    So with that in mind I do believe these are real online conversations that she had with Drew. Now Drew could have been lying to her saying he did that with his son even if he did not. He could be bragging and trying to sound like a stud to get her affection. IDK.

    As I said on the Ashley site – the bar is much lower than people think it is to take a child out of a home. People use drugs in front of their kids, physically neglect their children (not feeding or clothing them), and physically abuse their children and DCFS doesn’t take the child away. That is the sad truth behind our system.

    Kids that live in tough environments learn to deal with it while they are there. Problems often lurk with them for years to come but it is truly a survival tactic and some kids even think that is the way it is in every home until they grow up and see otherwise.

  32. Thanks, TAI, I’m afraid you’re very right there. And it’s everywhere, it’s not just your local system. The protection of children, women, the elderly and disabled is not very high up most modern societies’ list of priorities. It’s about money, status,pride, power, good ole boys of one colour or another.

  33. The one thing that I find the most compelling about this is Drew and Joel’s complete silence about the Ashley blog. They are NOT saying she is lying. They actually acknowledged that he had chatted with someone online.

    ———————————————————-
    Like I said, JB may not be as “dumb” as everyone gives him credit for.

    Until being a horny, immoral pig, man or woman, who doesn’t care to help find his wife or husband (who they claim to have walked out freely) breaks any laws/is deemed illegal, I guess there’s no response required for these types of allegations/issues of Ashleys.

  34. Yepper, he’s far better off to sit back and kept his trap closed. I’d sure like to see this come to an end in my lifetime.

  35. i havent been on in a couple of days…could someone tell me where bash found the conversation between ashley and drew,when the 13 year old was around?

  36. Well I guess that could be but Joel has not kept quiet about anything else. It wasn’t a crime for his client to have someone pen a book for him that could have potentially tried to portray Stacy negatively and Joel quickly said that was a lie by Hosey. So why not this?? That is why I find it odd. True though – he could be doing it on purpose.

  37. DWU- pretty sure it came from the comments section of Assley’s blog, which appeared to have been cut and pasted. As and FYI, cut and pasted text, there is no guarantee of accuracy.

  38. Wow, I guess I need to pay more attention to the latest. I’ve been busy and I have tried to avoid the hatefest over there. So the info from ashley was or was not from one of her screen shots? It was pasted into the comment section?

    IMO if the conversations were faked by ashley we would hear jb screaming from the roof tops. So, deductive reasoning makes me think they are accurate. That doesn’t mean I am right, though.

  39. Somethings telling me Joel is keeping his mouth shut on this for a reason. Especially after the receipt thing…maybe for litigation purposes? Who knows with those kooks?

  40. I wonder….How many days of freedom DP has left…I wonder….Will the GJ indict this week or will this continue to drag on and on ….I wonder…most of all…I wonder…..Will Stacy ever be found ? So many things to wonder about….Afternoon fellow bloggers….Boy I sure missed a wild night last night…whew !!!!

  41. Me thinks that JB and DP will not be even attempting to bring litigation towards “Ashley”
    for any of this….My reason …..Simple they don’t want to expose all of DP’s online chats etc…They would have to turn that over to “Ashley’s” side..
    Who knows….Just my opinion only

  42. Kimmer, you’re not the Queen of England, I am.

    And whoever is Cyndi Lauper … don’t forget, you’re having tea with me next Tuesday. Don’t be late.

    😀

  43. 😀

    I couldn’t find anyway to respond to that post that didn’t just sound like something that should be removed immediately and the poster banned … so I am acknowledging your post and am moving on.

    😀

  44. I’d like to post something intelligent but unfortunately as the Red Queen I can only offer nonsense:

    “Well, in our country,” said Alice, still panting a little, “you’d generally get to somewhere else — if you run very fast for a long time, as we’ve been doing.”

    “A slow sort of country!” said the Queen. “Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!”

  45. “Joel A. Brodsky said…
    It never ceases to amaze me that celebrities, and other people with money, talk to the feds without a lawyer present. That’s why Martha Stewart went to jail, not for any stock scam, but for lying to the fbi. If these people, who can afford legal representation, would simply say when the feds come knocking, “Here is my lawyers number, he/she will answer all your questions, but on his/her advise I won’t talk to you. Have a nice day,”, they would not be in need of a presidential pardon. I have always maintained that many people are smart enough to be rich and successful, but few people are smart enough to be successful criminals.

    July 22, 2008 12:56 PM”

    Just throwing it out there…

  46. “I have always maintained that many people are smart enough to be rich and successful, but few people are smart enough to be successful criminals.”

    I’m not sure what to think about this line…

  47. Is he saying that rich people are stupider than the average joe? But what about his client Drew, who can not keep his mouth shut? Is HE smart enough to be a successful criminal? And what if your attorney pulls stunts like calling radio shows and suggesting a contest where callers vie to date your client whose wife is missing? How smart is that?

    What is that saying about the shoemaker’s kids?

  48. that reminds me of that lady from NY that put out HER GRIP on YOUTUBE for her divorce . because of what she said on it , the husband got what he wanted… anyone hear that lady ..

    since joel said what he did , fake or nor real joel that made me think of that lady .. she was not smart lol but that her hubby was..

  49. If Ashely photoshopped or faked those transcripts, then she would be leaving herself open for libel and Brodsky would be screaming it from the roof tops!!!

    On the other hand, she has no worries if they are legit & she doesn’t seem to be worried!

    Think about that……

  50. facsmiley // July 22, 2008 at 9:04 pm
    ~~~

    Say What? Joel Brodsky said that? OMG, I don’t even know what to say about that! Out of left field? Wasn’t he the one that said it would be a “Good Thing” to be making statements, and staying in the public? That was his “Strategy”?

    “Successful Criminals”???? 🙄

  51. Oh… Pulease! Noway, or anyone who asks JB questions on SYM, PLEASE ask him to define “Successful Criminal”! Sheesh! 🙄

  52. Brodsky calls his idiotic prattle “white noise.” Must be a new legal term. White noise.

    Hey, wasn’t there a movie out called White Noise? About ghosts?

  53. Say What? Joel Brodsky said that? OMG, I don’t even know what to say about that! Out of left field? Wasn’t he the one that said it would be a “Good Thing” to be making statements, and staying in the public? That was his “Strategy”?

    “Successful Criminals”????
    _________________________
    Well if that wasn’t almost as bad as admitting DP’s guilt! What a pair those two make!!!!

  54. I don’t know about anyone else, but this infuriates me! “Successful Criminal”?

    I read alot into that statement! 😉

  55. I think on “advise” of his own lawyers, Joel Brodsky is also not talking to us.

    😀

    Seriously though … he has been quiet on SYM lately … nothing since July 16.

  56. Well, truthfully, most defense lawyers feel it’s a victory for them if they DO get a guilty person off!

    That is DB’s mindset!

    I don’t know how they sleep at nite!

  57. luvpups // July 22, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Luv,

    I don’t believe that Ashley is making any of this up. I just don’t.

    One would have to be pretty nutso to think that with everyone watching this case, it would be cute to make up this stuff.

    I don’t think ANYONE could make this stuff up.

    I believe she is truthful. If, am I wrong, then so be it. Just my opinion.

  58. I actually wished he would say that it was made up … especially the part about Drew involving his son in any of his online chats.

  59. http://www.suntimes.com/index.html

    Paula Stark and Len Wawczak (right) wore a wire during conversations with their former friend Drew Peterson, who trusted them so much he asked them to stash a .22 caliber folding revolver (inset) after his FOID card was revoked. (Rich Hein/Sun-Times)
    Drew’s pals wore wire

    Paula Stark and Len Wawczak (right) wore a wire during conversations with their former friend Drew Peterson, who trusted them so much he asked them to stash a .22 caliber folding revolver (inset) after his FOID card was revoked. (Rich Hein/Sun-Times)
    Drew’s pals wore wire
    Sun-Times exclusive: Drew Peterson likes to talk an awful lot — especially for a guy whose third wife was murdered and fourth wife is missing. And now two of his closest friends say they caught it all, cooperating with State Police by wearing a wire and recording seven months of intimate conversations with the former Bolingbrook cop. Peterson mocked investigators as “idiots,” called his third wife “a bitch” whose body he should have had cremated and predicted he’d be tried and acquitted long before his fourth wife’s remains were found, Len Wawczak said.

  60. http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/1069491,boling072308.stng

    [b][size=3]SEARCHING FOR STACY | Drew’s chilling words caught on tape[/size][/b]

    July 23, 2008
    BY JOE HOSEY Sun-Times News Group
    Drew Peterson likes to talk an awful lot — especially for a guy whose third wife was murdered and fourth wife is missing.

    And now two of his closest friends say they caught it all, cooperating with State Police by wearing a wire and recording seven months of intimate conversations with the former Bolingbrook cop.

    » Click to enlarge image

    Paula Stark and Len Wawczak (right) wore a wire during conversations with their former friend Drew Peterson, who trusted them so much he asked them to stash a .22 caliber folding revolver (inset) after his FOID card was revoked.
    (Rich Hein/Sun-Times)

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    “We got him,” said Len Wawczak.

    Peterson mocked investigators as “idiots,” called his third wife “a bitch” whose body he should have had cremated and predicted he’d be tried and acquitted long before his fourth wife’s remains were found, Wawczak said.

    Wawczak, 42, said he and his wife, Paula Stark, 38, have known Peterson for about 16 years, a friendship that began over drinks at a Bolingbrook watering hole , included talk of going into business together flipping homes and became so close that Peterson trusted the couple to watch his children.

    But a few weeks after Stacy Peterson disappeared last year, the couple began to have suspicions about their longtime friend. Partly because of a tragedy in his own past, Wawczak said he had no reservations about turning informant for the police, but his wife was afraid.

    “I talked her into it,” Wawczak said.

    And the next seven months would have plenty of nerve-wracking moments, the couple said, including requests from Peterson that they prove their loyalty and worries that a hug could reveal their subterfuge.

    ‘A bunch of f—— idiots’
    Early in their friendship, Wawczak says he heard Peterson complaining about his third wife, Kathleen Savio.

    In 2004, about 12 years into Wawczak’s friendship with Peterson, Savio was found dead in a waterless bathtub, and State Police determined she was the victim of an accidental drowning.

    Stark said at the time Peterson mocked the cops investigating the drowning, saying, “‘She was in a dry bathtub, what a bunch of f—— idiots.’”

    Then, Peterson’s fourth wife, Stacy, vanished in October, sparking officials to exhume Savio’s body and declare her death a homicide.

    Wawczak recalled Peterson telling them, “‘I should have had that bitch cremated. It would have cost me less and I wouldn’t be going through this trouble.’”

    Peterson has been named a suspect in Stacy Peterson’s disappearance, which police have labeled a “potential homicide.” Peterson has publicly said he had nothing to do with the fate of either of his wives.

    And privately, he didn’t sound nervous, Wawczak said.

    “He said he wasn’t worried about them finding Stacy’s remains down the road because he figured by that time he would have been tried and acquitted, and you can’t be tried for the same case twice because of double jeopardy or something,” Wawczak said.

    Modeling Stacy’s bikinis
    The couple contacted Peterson after Stacy Peterson disappeared.

    “We figured we were being good Joes, that’s all, helping him out,” Wawczak said.

    As the investigation escalated, Peterson took to spending more and more evenings at Wawczak and Stark’s Bolingbrook home, the couple said. He would sneak out his back door, crawl through the yard and jump into their waiting van.

    “He didn’t know if they were coming for him, and he thought this would be a good place to hide,” Wawczak said.

    In mid-November, the State Police met with Wawczak and eventually began talking about enlisting his help, asking him to take a polygraph in the process, Wawczak said.

    Stark, who has two sons and a daughter with Wawczak, said she remained nervous throughout their clandestine work, which ceased in mid-June. The worst day was probably when Peterson took her up in his ultra-light airplane in early spring for its first flight since Stacy Peterson vanished. A GPS device was hidden inside the thermal vest she wore so police could track where he flew, Stark said.

    “I swear to God, I don’t think I was more scared,” she said.

    She said she was also worried when Peterson hugged her and asked her to model his missing wife’s bikinis and fur coats.

    “Even hugging him goodbye, trying to kiss me, rubbing up against me, whispering in my ear, ‘I love you,’” Stark said, adding she was worried Peterson might discover the recording device she wore.

    “I thought a few times he might have felt it and might say something,” she said.

    ‘Don’t make me shoot him’
    Stark said Peterson asked her to run off with him.

    “He wanted to move to Kentucky and put a business and a house in my name in case they came to get him,” she said. “I said, ‘You plan to take me to Kentucky? You think Lenny’s going to let me go without a fight? You know how he is.’ He said, ‘Don’t make me shoot him.’”

    Wawczak said he had his own uncomfortable moments. He said he balked when Peterson asked him to prove his loyalty by torching a bunch of plants a neighbor assembled in memory of Stacy and sabotage a boat that was being used in searches.

    What was Peterson’s motivation?

    “‘It would just be funny,’” Wawczak said Peterson told him.

    ‘He’s done’
    Wawczak and Stark said Peterson trusted them so much that he gave them a .22-caliber folding revolver for safe keeping. Police missed the gun when they searched his home, they said, and Peterson needed someone to take it when his firearm owner’s identification card was revoked. The couple said they surrendered the gun to police immediately, but told Peterson investigators seized it during a March search.

    Stark and Wawczak said they grew close to Peterson’s children — the two teenage sons he had with Savio and the boy and girl he had with Stacy Peterson. The couple said they miss the children since they broke contact with Peterson when their work with police ended.

    “It f—— kills me I’ll never get to see [them] again because I did the right thing,” Wawczak said.

    “I would take those kids in a second,” Stark said. “I would take custody of those kids in a heartbeat.”

    Wawczak said his own father was slain during a holdup of his gas station in 1975, when Len was 9.

    The killer was found thanks to a woman who reported the license number of the getaway car. Wawczak said that’s partly why he agreed to help police investigating Savio’s murder and Stacy Peterson’s disappearance.

    “Look what that lady did for my dad,” Wawczak said. “Had she not, that guy would have got away. Plus, it’s the right thing to do.”

    Wawczak and Stark declined to spell out all the conversations they helped record for State Police, but they expect the information to lead to their former friend’s arrest.

    “He’s done,” Wawczak said. “He’s going away.”

    ‘They’re wrong’
    Peterson was nonplussed when he learned his friends were spying on him for the police. He said he felt no sense of betrayal, suggesting the couple had other motives.

    “They stormed off mad one day when I wouldn’t lend them money,” Peterson said. “They wanted some big money from me.”

    Peterson said he never voiced wishes Savio had been cremated, talked of shooting Wawczak or asked his friend to vandalize any flower memorial or boat.

    “The only thing I talked about was him walking up and down and taking ribbons off the trees” memorializing Stacy, Peterson said.

    Peterson also disputed Wawczak’s claim that the words recorded by the wire would be his undoing.

    “No,” he said, “They’re wrong.”

    Peterson even said whatever he uttered in the presence of Stark and Wawczak would help clear him.

    “I’m almost glad,” he said. “Good.”

  61. I hate that slimy, disgusting pos. He doesn’t even deserve to breathe he same air we do.

    Way to go LE. Way to go Len and Paula.

  62. As much as I am glad to hear this news… I still struggle with the kids. No matter what happens…. they are still the ones that will suffer. Breaks my heart.

  63. HJ – so true. It’s a lose-lose situation for them. If only their father had as much compassion for them as us strangers do.

  64. Stark said Peterson asked her to run off with him.

    “He wanted to move to Kentucky and put a business and a house in my name in case they came to get him,” she said. “I said, ‘You plan to take me to Kentucky? You think Lenny’s going to let me go without a fight? You know how he is.’ He said, ‘Don’t make me shoot him.’”

    Wawczak said he had his own uncomfortable moments. He said he balked when Peterson asked him to prove his loyalty by torching a bunch of plants a neighbor assembled in memory of Stacy and sabotage a boat that was being used in searches.

    What was Peterson’s motivation?

    “‘It would just be funny,’” Wawczak said Peterson told him.
    ____________
    This entire article continues to floor me.

  65. I certainly hope so Noway. They deserve soooo much better.

    And, haven’t we all said all along, that his bragging, and narcissism would be his downfall?

  66. LOL

    I always thought it was OTHER bloggers who were the “idiots” and the “hens” … you mean they were talking about ME?

    😀

  67. Right on, Harleyjoey, is right. He created the monster I learned to hate all by himself. No one to blame anymore but the Prince of Darkness.

  68. Do you think they’ve heard of Brodsky and Peterson in Pakistan? That maybe could be an unbiased jury pool. Ya think? I don’t think they know what white noise is over there.

  69. 😆 Noway! Yeah, that’s the ticket! They were talking about the “others”.

    I did too Rescue. In all seriousness, common sense has told this story from the beginning. Once I heard that the ISP said, “Stacy did not leave her home on her own”, that did it for me. There is no other conclusion. Nobody came to her home that day and abducted her. She did not run away. Anyone with any common sense can see what hppened here.

    I feel for her family, and I especially feel for those innocent children. They did NOTHING, to deserve what their father has done. :sad”

  70. LOL
    Harley … that’s how I get through the day … it’s ALWAYS the other bloggers someone is talking about … not ME!

    😀 😉

    Sky is always blue in my world.

  71. Rescue, it is people like Drew that make me wish we WERE a third world country. HANGING him, seems so appropriate to me at the moment. ARRGH! 😡

    Fortunatley for Stacy and Kathleen I don’t think there will be any problem finding a jury. Afterall, isn’t that what JB has been looking for all this time? A Jury that will sympathize with his poor client? Around the Nation telling this poor man’s story?

    OOPSIE… Is that backfiring I am hearing? Sucks to be you JB and DP! 8)

  72. Hopefully, HIS family will NOT get the kids. Especially his arrogant (cop) son, who is just like him.

    If they would continue to stay with him, I feel the boys would turn out just like him. The poor little girl needs a female in her life, he is wrong to keep her from any relatives & friends that could be beneficial to her at this time!

  73. rescueapet // July 22, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Do you think they’ve heard of Brodsky and Peterson in Pakistan?
    ~~~

    Hmmm… Not sure what to make of this.
    I think in Pakistan they behead people alive when they commit crimes. 😯

  74. HJ, it sucks to be a child of Drew Peterson. He can rot in hell for all I care. I feel so sorry for all six of his children. What did they do to deserve him for a father?

  75. Because JB has been so quiet of late, I wonder if he knew what was going to be happening? You don’t think we’ll have to endure his PR guy getting them all over the tv channels again, do you? That would be hideous.

  76. When Len & Paul were approached and took on this massive responsibility, was that when LE made that statement that they now had resources available to them that they didn’t have previously? Remember that announcement? We thought it was electronic info, like GPS or cell phone pings. Maybe it was the wiretapping.

  77. I know Rescue. I cannot even imagine. For the little ones, I guess the good news is that maybe they won’t remember as much as the older ones. I don’t wish him to rot in hell, I want him to suffer for the rest of his miserable life. Just like he is making his kids suffer, I hope it is much much worse for him.

    The middle ones, Kris and Thomas, are the ones to suffer the most trauma. I have said before, that at the very LEAST, they can visit her at her grave. They still have the loss of 2 mothers.

    Dad killed both moms.

    Stacy does not even have a GRAVE DREW!!!! Tell the authorities where she is! You are busted! At least give your children a place to mourn her. MAYBE, and JUST MAYBE they will still talk to you!

    LET STACY REST IN PEACE! LET HER CHILDREN have a place to visit her!

    Sheesh, he is so twisted. 👿

  78. Well, maybe this also has to do with JB making his statement about how “It isn’t me posting”.

    Maybe he knew this was coming and had a dose of reality strike him in his tracks.

  79. Facs, I’ve been yelling your name. Glad you’re here!

    I just thought Joel was hiding out … but according to “sources” he was busy. LOL

  80. I’m reading it again for the third time and I cannot believe it either.

    How much more is out there that we don’t even know about? I just hope they can recover Stacy’s body now.

    And he still denies and blames. Oh, how he makes me sick!

  81. Rescue, I’d read about a month ago that we, the blogging world, knew about 1/4 what LE knew.

    I think they were being generous with that 1/4.

  82. Doesn’t matter how you say it.

    LOL

    I think Lenny and Paula were just thrilled to have Drew think it was money that made them dump him.

  83. Noway, they must know DP better than we think they do. They had to know he’s a bragger and would be a “willing” participant.

    Robinson – this will be interesting to see if he’s going to blab now. No point in sticking with the enemy anymore. He can’t do jack squat for anyone, Mr. Big Man.

  84. Hey Paula – No matter what anyone says – YOU did the right thing. It must have been difficult for you – Especially with the kids. I applaud you. Hang in there!

  85. wow, good for those 2 , drew will keep lieing no matter what happens , again he will blame the media or the bloggers for his demiz .. i do hope that stacy ‘s sister will take the little ones/

  86. They’ve known him for 16 years … I’m sure they’ve heard him brag a time or two.

    And knowing something is the right thing to do … and doing it … are two different things.

    😀 Lenny!

    😀 Paula!

  87. I meant LE knows him better than we think they do. Since they are the ones that approached Len & Paula, they must have had a pretty good idea the Prince of Darkness would be blabbing away. He just needed the right people to do it around, and they knew that.

  88. Rescue … put a microphone in front of Drew … he talks.

    He can’t help it.

    Even if the microphone is hidden.

    LOL
    😀

  89. Stark said at the time Peterson mocked the cops investigating the drowning, saying, “‘She was in a dry bathtub, what a bunch of f—— idiots.’”
    __________________________

    Oh please, hearsay law…please…

  90. HA, now he can’t trust anyone! Will he be wondering WHO is wearing a wire??????

    No more dates for you DREW, unless it’s in the BIG HOUSE!

  91. That’s exactly it, Noway. LE knew he was ripe for picking.

    Bet the office lights in the Brodsky firm are blazing tonight. Whew, still can’t believe it.

  92. I am even more convinced that the creep was just as surprised as anyone that KS’s death was ruled anaccident. He probably staged it to look as it was, a homicide, but wanted to put the blame on her bf. Why else would he make a remark like that about a “dry bath tub?”

  93. Rescue, you’re probably right. I wonder what else LE missed that night that might have convicted an innocent man?

  94. Stark said at the time Peterson mocked the cops investigating the drowning, saying, “‘She was in a dry bathtub, what a bunch of f—— idiots.’”

    Does that sound like he expected her death to be ruled an accident? Especially, since recently, Brodsky suggested KS’s bf should have lawyered up and taken the Fifth at the GJ. Hmmm. What does that tell you?

  95. Exactly Rescue … Drew figured the dry bathtub was a huge red flag and so was the obvious staging of the crime scene.

    And yet LE failed in their duty.

    I feel for the Savio family. What they must be going through right now … so close to justice.

  96. Rescue,

    I am very confident that John Q. Kelly knows a hell of alot more than any of us do. I will say that he would not be exploring a “wrongful death suit” for the fun of it. He must have strong reasons that we (the public) have not been privy to. JQK is no fool.

  97. I tried reading the article again from a “Stacy ran off” frame of mind, and I hate to say it but there’s nothing that flat out implicates him. Seven months of wearing wires and no confession. Damn.

    I really really hope that wire caught that reference to Stacy’s ‘remains’ and more…

  98. EVEN ON court tv , when he was doing cases for peeps and of course the holloways he was very very nice about it and knows the laws well. very respected lawyer… he was up against vanderslots lawyer here in the states , and got what was needed here ….. if anyone remembers greta would talk with both of them …

  99. noway406 // July 22, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Rescue, you’re probably right. I wonder what else LE missed that night that might have convicted an innocent man?
    _______________
    Just to clarify … I meant that Drew set up the whole thing.

    IMO he thought the “dry bathtub” would have been enough but there were probably other tidbits of evidence there.

    But when Kathleen’s death was ruled an accident, nobody took the fall for her death. Who was Drew setting up?

    There are a few people who come to mind.

  100. rescueapet // July 22, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    Stark said at the time Peterson mocked the cops investigating the drowning, saying, “‘She was in a dry bathtub, what a bunch of f—— idiots.’”

    Does that sound like he expected her death to be ruled an accident?
    ~~~

    Sounds more like he prayed really hard to the “right people” . 😉

  101. NOWAY, what peeps come to mind ??? whom would drew setup…….

    RICK, that one guy she dated , am I missing others??

    DREW up ships creek with out his paddle

  102. Wouldn’t it be ironic if Kathleen’s death was ruled ‘accidental’ due to the workings of the blue wall and loyalty to a fellow-officer, when all along Drew had been trying to frame Kathleen’s boyfriend with a murder charge? Interesting, Rescue.

  103. Steve Maniaci (Kathleen’s boyfriend) and
    Yelton Cales (Stacy’s brother) are the two that come to mind.

    And Facs, yes … maybe LE thought Drew did it and showed their misplaced loyalty.

  104. I’ve googled this before and it’s out there – but Glasgow said, as soon as he saw the pictures from Kathleen Savio’s “crime scene (that’s what he called it), he KNEW it was staged. So, it doesn’t sound like it’s any secret that her death scene looked like it was – a homicide.

    Remember, also, that LE claims it’s their theory that DP was intent on making Stacy’s death, should her body have been found, look like it was at the hands of Scott Rosetto. That’s why he was in Shorewood when he made that call from Stacy’s phone to his while Morphey had it.

  105. Makes ya wonder if Steve Carcerano really got pulled over for DUI or it was time to download his tape files. 😀

  106. OH true noway , but where was drew when he needed him ya know for help right .. not around I guess, he musta been chasing some young chick instead 🙂

  107. facsmiley // July 22, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    I tried reading the article again from a “Stacy ran off” frame of mind, and I hate to say it but there’s nothing that flat out implicates him. Seven months of wearing wires and no confession. Damn.

    I really really hope that wire caught that reference to Stacy’s ‘remains’ and more…
    —————————————–
    How can you say that, I’m SURE that ISP have a lot more than what was in that article.

    You don’t expect they would tell everything they have on tape.

  108. Facs – Doesn’t this just pique your interest a little bit:

    Wawczak and Stark declined to spell out all the conversations they helped record for State Police, but they expect the information to lead to their former friend’s arrest.

  109. I have every confidence that LE is going to get this one right this time.

    Who knows what they’ve uncovered about KS’s death that we don’t know about, and I don’t mean who did it, but how it was handled!

  110. FACSMIley,

    even though they did over seven months of wire taps look at what AMber FRY did with taping him scott. they did not release all information of those tapes just only like the tower one that he said he was at .. but they cann’t do that untill they arrest then it will go from there…

  111. I will have to catch up reading all that I miss after I get home from work … darn it very interesting indeed…

    now lets see , wonder if joel will back peddle on what just came out..

  112. rescueapet // July 23, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Remember, also, that LE claims it’s their theory that DP was intent on making Stacy’s death, should her body have been found, look like it was at the hands of Scott Rosetto.
    *************************

    He may go down in history as the most unsuccessful framer ever…

  113. I just thought of something funny. Brodsky can’t get his hands on those tapes UNTIL Peterson is charged. He can’t get his hands on anything LE has. So, unless his client “blabs” to him whatever else he’s done, Brodsky is watching the blogs and newspapers just as much as we are. Funny.

  114. So … where is somewhere that Scott Rosetto liked to hike or camp?

    Maybe Stacy is there.

    If Drew was intent on framing him … maybe that much of his plan stayed the same.

  115. Lug and Luv – it’s just me stepping back and trying not to get over excited. I’m looking at the quotes from L and P and the way the story is put together and just hoping that what is actually on those recordings is more incriminating than what they have to say to the press.

    I mean they are giving us some really tasteless, callous and downright creepy statements, (from Drew) but I don’t see anything that can put him away.

    I’m really hoping there’s enough caught on those recordings to build a solid prosecution. That’s all.

  116. Noway – Rosetto lives in a townhome in a suburb called Shorewood. I believe they have searched that area, and I assume they still are searching that area.

  117. rescueapet // July 23, 2008 at 12:19 am

    …unless his client “blabs” to him whatever else he’s done, Brodsky is watching the blogs and newspapers just as much as we are. Funny.
    *******************

    And you just know that has me giggling like a little girl!

    I’ll bet they are on the phone right now…

  118. You’re right, Facs. More distasteful comments than anything. It’s the shock, though, of finding out there’s 7 months of recordings.

    I don’t think, in all honestly, there was anything shy about Drew and his blabbing, though. I honestly believe he is so callous and hardened, nothing phases him anymore.

  119. I just have a question. Why are Lenny and Paula saying anything at all to the media, especially while Drew and his children are planning a trip to Florida? This is what makes me nervous.

  120. Yeah, imagine Brodsky trying to analyze what’s been said in the Sun Times, without knowing anything else about what’s on those tapes. You think Drew will fess-up and tell him, or is he going to have to resort to all of the psychics out there to predict what he may have said?

    Now I believe LE lets out only what they want them to know, and that’s not very much, is it?

  121. noway406 // July 23, 2008 at 12:04 am

    Makes ya wonder if Steve Carcerano really got pulled over for DUI or it was time to download his tape files.
    ************************

    🙂

  122. Hey Facs – 666 did say that by the time they find Stacy’s body, he’d be tried and acquitted, and he’d be off the hook because of double jeopardy. Doesn’t that indicate he KNOWS she’s dead?

  123. rescueapet // July 23, 2008 at 12:35 am

    Hey Facs – 666 did say that by the time they find Stacy’s body, he’d be tried and acquitted, and he’d be off the hook because of double jeopardy. Doesn’t that indicate he KNOWS she’s dead?
    ***************************************

    Rescue – absolutely if he said that, but that’s just Len saying what Drew said. So I’m hoping that the wire actually caught 666 saying words to those effect.

    NBC 5 is already writing it up differently:

    “…Peterson figured he be tried and acquitted, and then if they ever found Peterson’s body, he’d be safe from a second trial because of double jeopardy”

    See what I’m saying?

  124. Okay, but there’s no way they’re going to try him for both matters at the same time. I have no idea in what order they’d charge him, but wouldn’t it be logical that he’d have two separate trials? And, does this get even more complicated in the KS matter if a blatant cover-up, or sheer inadequate police work was thrown into the mix? Even from what’s been reported about the missteps in KS’s death investigation, it’s obvious there has had to be some internal investigation going on.

    I hope someone figured this all out.

  125. luvpups // July 23, 2008 at 1:05 am

    What about this quote from the article?

    “We got him,” said Len Wawczak.
    *****************************

    I’m loving that quote and hugging it like a puppy.

  126. I wonder too, if tomorrow is the day.

    I just feel like ISP wouldn’t have let them release this news if they weren’t close to arresting him, but WHY tip him off???

    This is puzzling!

  127. They didn’t really tip him off. They just showed him they have him in their sights. Maybe they’ll let him stew and continue to let him open his yap, like he did with this story. He’s “almost glad” they taped him. Said it was “good.”

    Every time he yapped to Len & Paula, LE was able to follow up on it. Maybe that’s why they called that Bindy guy to the GJ. Maybe Peterson brought up his name in the course of conversation and they used it. Who knows all that’s on there. Yuk, yuk, Brodsky doesn’t. Mr. I am a Smart Lawyer needs a song and a prayer now. That book deal of his is looking pretty crappy right now. 🙂

  128. Oh, what a surprise. It’s all lies, the undercover agents used their powers for evil and Drew uses his for good.

    Talk about going down with a sinking ship. That press release doesn’t even come close to sounding reasonable and believable. Same old, same old.

    Why would Brodsky admit anyway that he’s being outsmarted? Would you?

  129. “If there truly are tapes Wawczak and Stark secretly recorded for authorities as they claim, Drew hopes the tapes are released soon because he knows that they will prove he is innocent.”

    Innocent of what? Killing Kathleen, killing Stacy, or innocent of the statements they claim he made?

    See, I told you. Drew doesn’t get charged, Brodsky doesn’t get the tapes. He’s fighting an invisible monster. Ha, ha.

  130. “Drew hopes the tapes are released soon because he knows that they will prove he is innocent.”

    😆 What a clown!

  131. Go to the new thread, HJ.

    Yeah, I know what you mean. He must know he said on the tapes that he is innocent of any crime that ever was, or will be.

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