Your Thread – July 26

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398 thoughts on “Your Thread – July 26

  1. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/69554

    Drew Peterson: Our Cowardly Lion

    Rebekah Price
    July 25, 2008

    Looking more and more like an old tanned version of the Cowardly Lion, Drew Peterson once again permeates our news with his tiresome, half-hearted denials of admitting to anything regarding his latest wife´s disappearance on tape. Joel (Why-won´t-this-go-away) Brodsky looked particularly weary in his uncharacteristic milquetoast defense of Peterson. Even Joel is starting to look like he does not believe Drew. And why should he? Most everyone else caught on within hours and days of Stacy Ann Peterson´s disappearance. Brodsky certainly is not that thick. His initial quick assessment through cash-colored glasses of a potential celebrity trial and stellar outcome, not to mention the book and movie deal, must be fizzling out.

    Former colleagues of Peterson´s, the husband and wife team of Paula Stark and Len Wawczak, report they have secretly taped conversations with Peterson since the Illinois State Police contacted them last November. They allege Drew provided incriminating language potentially implicating himself in the disappearance and probable murder of Stacy. They reported Peterson mentioned he should have cremated Stacy. Hmmm. As they say, give ´em enough rope and they´ll hang themselves. Brodsky and Peterson characteristically slimed them by alluding the couple is gaming for a “big payday”, to cash in on the Drew Peterson notoriety. Ad nauseam.

    A young “lady” calling herself “Ashley” has been providing much fodder on the internet by sharing email and IM conversations she has supposedly had with Drew. Her blogs bring a variety of responses ranging in touting her as some sort of hero to a nut cashing in on her 15 minutes of fame. (The latter certainly reflects the opinions of the Brodsky-Peterson Burlesque.) Whatever the reason, one thing is for sure: much to the public´s dismay, Drew Peterson just won´t go away.

    Even as I sit here and write about this individual who oozes with classless debauchery, I have to ask why are we still interested? Mr. Stebic, whose wife, Lisa, is still missing and presumed dead, is not as infamous as Drew Peterson, though the cases are eerily similar and both families reside in the same county. And he is free to come and go, though his wife has yet to be found. Nor is Gary Condit, for that matter. Remember him? Chandra Levy is still missing and Condit walks around free, as if nothing ever happened. Nothing except another young woman left dead.

    So what is it about Drew? We really do not need another buffoon in the news.

    Peterson´s perverse need for the spotlight fuels the public´s continually increasing desire for justice. Stacy Ann is still missing; and, if Drew Peterson were smart–which he is not–he would have quietly moved on. Instead, he chose to play the role of victim, and nobody bought it. The sad-sack routine he plays over and over like a broken record appears to be favorably received by some who clearly have no common sense or moral compass. To the rest of us–which thankfully is the majority– Drew Peterson is an aging sociopath hanging by ever-fraying threads of self absorption, and whose days of freedom are waning.

    Drew Peterson´s obvious and arrogant online quest for young, naïve women incite even the most passive among us into wanting blood for blood. His pathetic attempts to woo young female companionship online are creepily reminiscent of the pedophile, manipulating immature wannabes who are thrilled just to be tagged by such a ´celebrity´. It´s enough to make one upchuck.

    With all the grand jury testimony, and the push for Illinois legislation to provide an avenue for a hearsay ruling that may just give the missing a voice, Drew Peterson´s days are numbered and dwindling as each hour passes. Soon the emerald glasses will come off and not even the All Powerful Brodsky will be able to save Peterson from himself. The Wizard Brodsky is obviously getting weary. It won´t be long until Drew will be saying, “There is no place like home…”

    Until then, the Illinois State Police will follow the slow but sure yellow brick road to justice, meeting any obstacles head on. Bolingbrook waits, patiently impatient, for the day Stacy Ann comes home to rest.

    As for Drew?

    They´ll get you, my pretty…

  2. ok im confused i thought the tapes said he wish he had had KS cremated not SP.Does the LE have these tapes or not? thats my problemwith these tapes who has them? can whoever has them just keep saying this or that? everything gets so twisted why not just let le have them & everyone else just keep quiet. cuz i gotta say this article is wrong why would he say he should have cremated SP when according to him she just left. im sure he was talking of KS. right?

  3. Yes Feisty, I belive that is a mistake (Stacy, not Kathleen was who DP was who he allegedly said he should have cremated), I have emailed to author to notify her.

  4. http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/news/1075977,2_1_AU26_PETERSON_S1.article

    A ‘look,’ a phone call, then the cops came

    July 26, 2008Recommend

    By JOE HOSEY jhosey@scn1.com
    At noon Friday, Paula Stark heard from a TV reporter that Drew Peterson was bragging about sleeping with her.

    Stark and her husband, Len Wawczak, shared a laugh over that in their Bolingbrook home, saying it wasn’t true.

    Lenny Wawczak (left) confronts Drew Peterson in the parking lot of a strip mall in Bolingbrook Friday afternoon. Police were called to the scene, and both went to the station to give statements.
    (Janet Lundquis/STNG)

    But an hour later, when their son, Len Jr., called to say Peterson was giving him a dirty look at a Bolingbrook barbershop, Wawczak had enough.

    Wawczak and Stark — the Bolingbrook couple who said this week that for seven months they wore a wire when they were with Peterson, their neighbor and former friend — got in their van so Wawczak could confront the former Bolingbrook cop, who has been under a cloud of suspicion since his fourth wife disappeared last fall.

    What followed was another sordid chapter in the Peterson saga, an expletive-filled, Jerry Springer-esque parking lot dustup — witnessed by reporters — that resulted in Wawczak, 41, shoving Peterson in the back and getting arrested on a battery charge.

    “I wanted to let Drew know he’s not going to mess with my family,” Wawczak said after his wife posted his $100 bond. “The next time, I will knock his (expletive) out.

    “It was the best 100 bucks I’ve ever spent. I’d do it again.”

    Confrontation

    Wawczak and Stark have been under a media siege since the news broke Wednesday that they secretly taped Peterson for State Police investigators probing the Oct. 28 disappearance of Stacy Peterson and the 2004 homicide of Peterson’s third wife, Kathleen Savio.
    Peterson, who police labeled a suspect in Stacy’s “potential homicide,” denies having anything to do with either case.

    Wawczak and Stark hadn’t seen Peterson since the news of their clandestine police help broke. Peterson and his attorney have gone on national TV to call them liars.

    Then came the barbershop phone call from Len Wawczak Jr.

    The 20-year-old was getting his hair cut at a Bolingbrook shop on North Schmidt Road when Peterson walked in, looking for a free trim he had been promised.

    Len Jr. called his parents, telling them Peterson just gave him dirty looks, they said.

    Peterson denies that.

    “I was just getting my hair cut, and I saw the kid in the chair,” he said later. “I kind of figured he would call his dad.”

    Wawczak, intent on confronting Peterson about the dirty looks, first waited for Peterson around the corner from the barbershop, but then found a spot between some cars to lie in wait. When Peterson emerged with a fresh new haircut and beard trim, Wawczak popped out and pounced.

    “Hey, (expletive),” he called out. “You ain’t nothing but a murderer. I’ll beat the (expletive) out of you. Say something!”

    “Hit me,” Peterson said calmly, putting his hands behind his back. “I’m going down.”

    “You ain’t nothing but a punk, Drew!”

    “Someone call the cops,” Peterson told a growing crowd of gawkers, including barbershop patrons, capes still tied around their necks. One began videotaping.

    “Take the cool sunglasses off,” Wawczak said, trying to knock them off Peterson, who dodged him.

    “I ain’t Stacy, (expletive),” Wawczak taunted. “You sissy.”

    “I don’t have to deal with this boy,” Peterson said and walked away. Wawczak then pushed Peterson’s back.

    Police called

    Peterson, who later said his back hurt, brushed it off and got into Stacy Peterson’s Pontiac Grand Prix. Wawczak walked away, saying, “I proved my point. You’re nothing but a (expletive).”
    Peterson made a cell phone call and emerged from his car. The crowd yelled for Wawczak to return.

    “Knock his (expletive) out,” someone shouted.

    “I got 50 bucks of his bond right now,” said another.

    Peterson and Wawczak then stood across a car from each other, and Wawczak confronted him about Peterson’s purported claims about his wife.

    “Say right now you (expletive) my old lady! I’ll come around right now and drop you like you want,” Wawczak said.

    Peterson denied saying it — as eight police cars arrived. Peterson spoke with officers before getting in the Grand Prix and driving to the police station where he once worked to give his account.

    Wawczak rode in the front seat of a squad car to the station, where he was arrested and charged with battery. After his wife posted his bond, he was unrepentant.

    “If I knew I was getting arrested, I would have knocked the (expletive) out,” he said.

    Wawczak is due in court Sept. 10. He said he’ll leave Peterson alone — as long as Peterson doesn’t mess with his family.

    “Then I’m going for the Mike Tyson TKO,” he said.

    Janet Lundquist contributed to this story.

    RELATED STORIES
    • PHOTOS: Peterson confrontation
    • Special section: The Search for Stacy

  5. Feisty, I feel sure that was a mistake that wasn’t edited. Lenny & Paula did say Kathleen, not Stacy that Drew said he wished he’d had cremated. They also say that ISP has the tapes, but it hasn’t been confirmed or denied by ISP. I tend to believe they do have them.

  6. Hosey says a TV repoter told Len and Paula that Drew said he slept with Paula. Drew told Gatehouse that was not true. I wonder what the truth is and who was the reporter that told them if it was told.

    “Wawczak said Peterson denied trying to scare his son and also denied reports that he told a television news reporter that he had slept with Wawczak’s wife, Paula Stark.
    Peterson did not return calls seeking comment.”

  7. I wish the reporters would get their facts straight before reporting a story. (Hello Rebekah, I’m taking to you!).

    Do you think the TV reporter *said* that thinking it might be true and hoping to get a “confession” from Paula?

    Lenny said that the “confrontation” with Drew was not about him allegedly sleeping with Paula, it was because of Drew’s ugly looks directed at Lenny’s son.

    I think they all need to be put in cages until the GJ makes a decision. JK 😀 Well … maybe JK. 😉

  8. The “cremated” comment WAS directed toward Kathleen because Drew went on to say that because the divorce was final, he had no say in the matter and ‘her family took over’ …

    What he said about Stacy was something along the lines of “by the time they found her, he would have already been tried and acquitted, so he couldn’t be tried again due to double jeopardy.”

    IF this IS what he said, then IMO this implies he knew Stacy was dead because if they found her alive and well on a beach in her bikini, he would not be tried for anything and no “double jeopardy” comes into play at all.

    These statements were from video interviews with Paula and Lenny.

    I will find them again if anyone has not seen them. 😀

  9. Thanks, hedidit … saved me from looking for that one!

    Do you have Paula talking about him not being able to cremate Kathleen? TAI 😉

  10. Good mid-morning, everyone. Got some Saturday chores to do and I’ll be back. Somebody sure has the stink stirred, don’t they?

  11. Not being able to cremate? Same article says he should have creamted Kathleen. I have not heard anything about “not being able”.

    Checking…

  12. Hi, everyone.

    I don’t know who this mysterious reporter is that started this, but I do know that Geraldo Rivera’s brother, Craig, is in town for a story with Paula and Len. That, I read yesterday, so he’s involved in this, I am sure.

  13. You can post link to picture …

    And this was Paula talking about Drew not being able to cremate Kathleen … not a print article. Well, it might have been in print too … I’ll look too.

  14. Kathleen’s sister did say that they wouldn’t allow the cremation of Kathleen’s body at the time of her death.

  15. Her sister, Anna Doman, referring to a comment Peterson allegedly made about having Savio cremated after she was found dead in a bathtub, said Peterson had wanted Savio cremated but she and other family members would not have it.

    “We were suspicious from the beginning, but no, we didn’t want her cremated,” Doman said. “I’m glad we didn’t.

    http://cbs2chicago.com/local/drew.peterson.wire.2.778512.html

  16. I’m talking about either Lenny or Paula saying that (and I think it was Paula but at this point, I get confused about which one is Lenny!) 😉

  17. It’s just creepy what Paula says he said about throwing Kathleen’s remains “into the street where she belonged”

  18. Seems a bit too convient that the barbershop owner happened to have his video camera there, yesterday. I think that he saw $ when he noticed the name Wawczak in his appointment book, and made a phone call to Drew, offering a free shave and a haircut. Just a thought.

  19. AP: Peterson wished aloud that he cremated his 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio’s remains

    Paula:
    He put it as: I wish would have cremated her; I tried fighting for it, my divorce was of course final so they wouldn’t give me the say so, her family stepped in. He said, “Man, If I would’ve cremated her, I could’ve thrown her out my car window and she woud’ve been on the streets where she belongs.

  20. AP: Peterson wished aloud that he cremated his 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio’s remains

    Paula:
    He put it as: I wish would have cremated her; I tried fighting for it, my divorce was of course final so they wouldn’t give me the say so, her family stepped in. He said, “Man, If I would’ve cremated her, I could’ve thrown her out my car window and she would’ve been on the streets where she belongs.”

  21. And then referred Drew to another barbershop?

    Did I read that Lenny’s son WORKED at the barbershop? Drew would have known that, if that is the case.

    More speculation and very little fact … 😀

  22. Mike Robinson told a reporter on camera that for Len to even approach Drew was such a terrible mistake on his half.

    He had such a nice big smile on his face when he said it. Abusers, they do like to stick together.

  23. I have to agree that it was a terrible mistake on Lenny’s part.

    But I’m saying that regarding the case, not regarding the safety of Lenny … which some might think Mike Robinson was referring to.

  24. According to the reporter on that video, if found guilty on that misdemeanor charge, Len would only face fines and community service.

  25. No, Noway, I don’t really think that’s what Robinson was referring to. He feeds off of Peterson, so he was probably just repeating what he heard his boss man say. His reputation doesn’t need repeating, so I’ll just leave it at that.

    Brodsky is quiet for a change.

  26. I would be curious to know why Drew is confident enough to be motorcycling around with his street-rat friend, Robinson. I mean, how does he REALLY know that he’s not taking notes on him either? Or anyone, for that matter?

  27. Ah. Can’t post it but I can summarize:

    – Sandy contacts DP in April via email to JB
    – Selacious emails/chats exchanged
    – States DP was nude on web cam
    – DP denies being nude on web cam
    – Sandy wanted to be wife #5
    – DP says in due time
    – Sandy states relationship soured, he’s disgusting

  28. *Cannot post publicly ‘cuz NE might be upset that people are getting article for free while it hasn’t hit all the stands yet.

  29. MIMS: Other than his immediate family I don’t think so. No, that Mike Robinson, he might be still talking to him.

    GRETA: Whose Mike Robinson, is that the, is he a police officer?

    MIMS: I believe Mike Robinson was a police officer for a short time.

    GRETA: And now does what?

    MIMS: Heating and air I believe, heating and air conditioning.

    GRETA: Is he the guy who helped him out, was it last week?

    MIMS: Yeah.

    GRETA: What’d he do, I forgot.

    MIMS: Got him a cell phone.

    GRETA: That was it?

    MIMS: And I heard rumors that he got him a rental car but that’s not confirmed.

    GRETA: How does he know Robinson, from the police force?

    MIMS: Well Mike Robinson graduated in 1992 and is probably in his early thirties so I’m guessing around town or at the police department in his little short stint there.

    http://www.acandyrose.com/stacy_peterson_m_robinson_files.htm

  30. National Enquirer (12/17/2007) Page 20: “The secret notes and the paper shredder”:
    “On the night of Nov. 1, four days after she disappeared, there was a knock on the door of the Peterson house. “The guy at the door said: ‘Tell Drew I’m here” – “We walked into Drew’s office, and the first thing Drew does is mouth the words: ‘Don’t talk, there’s bugs.’ The guy throws down a cell phone and a charger and writes on a piece of paper; ‘This is a cell phone for you to use.’ And he writes that Drew has to answer it by saying he’s from some heating and cooling company. Then they put the note in a shredder.” – “I walked out, and I kept seeing Drew and the guy write notes to each other and then shredding them. The cloak and dagger stuff was starting to scare me

    BTW, got both of these last posts from acandyrose

  31. hedidit // July 26, 2008 at 10:50 am

    *Cannot post publicly ‘cuz NE might be upset that people are getting article for free while it hasn’t hit all the stands yet.
    ——————————————–

    HEDIDIT,

    what date is the article for the NE. YOU can post what they say from it . I know lots of people quoted from what it said . ya can post it so what does it say…..

  32. LOL, in other words, it’s just fluff. Nothing that hasn’t been said and done already. Well, I think the nude pic would be a bad, bad thing to see. Something you’d have to turn your head away from.

    🙂

  33. I guess it was sort of … boring … compared to Drew’s friends taping him and Lenny being Ashley?

    I did find it interesting that Joel Brodsky arranged for the initial contact after an email was sent to him from Sandy.

    I didn’t know Joel ran a dating service. 😀 But always good to have a backup plan. 😀

  34. I think they even have something wrong on there about where “Ashley” got the DP no shirt pic.

    So to me, this proves as “Ashley” has said “she” did not sell “her” story to the NE.

  35. I wonder (sorry 1wonderwoman) if Len’s going to put anymore of their chats online? Knowing how loose with the lips DP is, maybe he’s got a few more little tidbits that might be entertaining.

    😈

  36. Can’t be any worse, Noway, than the suspect’s attorney writing on a blog and posting a gun list that is relevant to a charge against his own client.

  37. I don’t mind the forum because it is more controlable and I do miss being able to post with a lot of people. But the blog with anonymous comments has gotten out of hand before.

  38. I really don’t think it’s so much as the words that were uttered on those tapes, but more what they exposed that is what LE will use. Things said that sent them in directions that helped them develop evidence. Evidence that is cataloged and identified!

    Say, like Paula saying DP discarded things on their property. That’s tangible evidence, so, to me, that would be worth a whole lot more than what DP said. Words are always open to discussion and interpretation. That’ll just be a peeing contest between the lawyers, IMO.

  39. heditit- yes, that too, good point. There could be a lot of hidden implications in things he said. It’s obvious he didn’t blurt out that he killed his wife and threw her in the water, but what does he care (???) about a boat and why sabotage it?

  40. Well we know he doesn’t like Sharon but he specifically wanted the flowers AND the boat messed with.

    Why not Sharon’s vehicles or house, etc.?

    No, he specifically wanted to damage things that represent the search for Stacy.

  41. What if there is that remark on the tapes where he said “by the time they find her remains?”

    That doesn’t prove anything by itself that he killed her. But, it can be interpreted that he made a statement that is contrary to his belief she’s run away and on a beach somewhere. So, it would make sense that LE would use a statement like this and backtrack to where the last phone pings came from to see if there are “remains.”

  42. hedidit // July 26, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Of particular interest to me is the statement that he wanted Len to sabotage the boat.
    ******************************************

    Yes. They said that DP claimed it would be ‘funny’, but I don’t think most people see the humor. There’s too much at stake for that to be interpreted as a practical joke.

    BTW, I can’t apply the word ‘nude’ to DP at all. If I think about it at all I end up at ‘nekkid’ or maybe ‘in the buff’ but ‘nude’ is just too genteel a word for the mental image that I’m getting.

  43. It might be funny to put flaming dog poop on Sharon’s doorstep, or set off your car alarm while she’s being interviewed, but to sabotage a boat that is being used to try to find the body of your missing wife? Gak.

  44. Good Morning MFB’s ( my fellow bloggers)
    …rescueapet // July 26, 2008 at 11:09 am

    I wonder (sorry 1wonderwoman) if Len’s going to put anymore of their chats online? Knowing how loose with the lips DP is, maybe he’s got a few more little tidbits that might be entertaining.

    ***************************

    No problem…I am all about wondering and I like it that others wonder too…

  45. I wonder…..Anyone else wonder also….If Lenny and Paula could pull this off after such a long time without blowing it. ( I mean how stressful for them and they did what it took anyway) ( KUDOS TO LENNY AND PAULA)What else could possibly be happening we don’t know about. The possibilities are endless….I for one am very encouraged by it all….SO many things to wonder about..But I think you can take this to the bank….DP will be indicted…no doubt in my mind. Just a matter of when…:)

  46. Oh, Wonder, I have no doubt in my mind that he will be indicted for both Kathleen and Stacy’s fates, but convicting him is another thing. Who will out-lawyer who. That’s the question. The jury will find a reason to acquit or convict based on THEIR interpretation of the evidence and testimony. If they get it wrong, well, either he’ll be a free bird, or he’ll get his chance to appeal.

  47. facsmiley // July 26, 2008 at 11:42 am

    It might be funny to put flaming dog poop on Sharon’s doorstep, or set off your car alarm while she’s being interviewed, but to sabotage a boat that is being used to try to find the body of your missing wife? Gak.
    ——————————————-
    That is very telling, plus the set-up he pulled on Lenny yesterday.

    This idiot is all about plotting against people, he has a demented, sick mind & should NOT be raising those kids!

    It’s like he lives to hurt people!

  48. Interesting perspective Rescue…I guess I just assumed that if they have enough to indict him, then they probably have enough to convict him.
    But you are correct…entirely two different things…..Well great now I got even more wondering to do……lol

  49. Considering what we know today that we did not know say a week ago, I am guessing there is still a whole lot more that we don’t know … and I’m hoping it’s enough to not only get an indictment but also a conviction. 🙂

  50. Here is absolute proof that Len Wawczak and Paula Stark are two of the dumbest people on the planet. Wawczak and Stark said that they had Illinois State Police approval to go public with their undercover informant status. So what do they do? They come out through Joe Hosey and the Sun Times for free. My media guru told me that if they had gone to either the National Enquirer or TMZ, and agreed to come out exclusively through one of those outlets, they would have been paid at least $1,000,000.00, (thats one million dollars!!!!) for the exclusive rights to come out with that story! Thats right, Len and Paula just blew a million dollars. But hey, its not about the money right? They got to be friends with Joe Hosey, and that’s worth more than a ton of gold.
    « Last Edit: Today at 11:50am by joelbrodsky »

    Brodskys post

  51. Gotta love Joel.

    They are either in it for the money or did it for free … 😀 Joel can’t decide which to say.

    I guess whatever suites his purpose. 😉

  52. LOL, so they didn’t go to NE and he says they’re dumb.

    Who, in their right, thinking minds, would believe anything that Brodsky says or blogs? Or even try to make sense out of it? He makes about as much as sense as Drew Peterson riding his motorcycle with a felon during a homicide/missing person’s investigation.

    I can’t imagine, by Brodsky going public with this revelation, that he’s going to endear his client to anyone by calling informants dumb for not selling their story to NE. IS HE KIDDING?????

  53. And I guess Joel’s “media guru” is Glenn Selig?? Glenn’s brilliance has already been on display, as well as Joel’s.

  54. Pushing DP ..fine $100.00
    Not selling your story to NE ..$1,000,000.00

    DOING THE RIGHT THING…..PRICELESS

  55. Does People Magazine pay it’s featured homicide suspects, or do they do it for free? Did Peterson allow People Magazine to feature him “just to get his word and story out there?” Well, how dumb is that? 🙂

  56. I found something interesting about that “racy” text message that the dueling banjos claim was sent anonymously to Stacy by her secret lover.

    On Jan. 3, authorities obtained a search warrant seeking information that might identify the sender, according to a copy of the warrant.

    Charles Pelkie, spokesman for Will County State’s Atty. James Glasgow, declined to comment on the warrant and referred questions to police. State police Trooper Mark Dorencz would not reveal whether investigators were able to identify the sender.

  57. Joel:

    “My media guru”

    ——————————————————

    That is someone I would bank on, look what he has done for your client. LOL LOL LOL

  58. Let me get this straight – All week we have heard nothing but “They just want to make money”, via all the interviews they did. “They are in it for money”, over and over and over.

    Now JB is saying they are DUMB, cuz they didn’t take money?

    Geeze Louise. I guess this is why MOST proessional laywers don’t blog, and make silly statements about their clients. They wait until they are in a courtroom.

    I think JB is the one looking to cash in. 😉 In over your head JB?

    Paula and Lenny, seem to have just wanted to plain old, DO THE RIGHT THING.

  59. I think at some point we need to start counting the people Drew has ratted out……. could start with family members like tom…………..

  60. I think joel is the idiot , the LE knows joel posts all over the net and they can us that against him in court… oh I thik he forgot to take that class when he became a lawyer lol still judges wont like what he has been saying on the net .. that is a big no no … teehee.. I bet JOEL WILL BE DROPED WHEN DREW GOES TO COURT FOR what he did to kathy and stacy… and then what will joel say..

  61. Anthony “Bindy” Rock, 68, was subpoenaed by the grand jury last week (2/2008).

    Peterson said he didn’t know why Rock would be subpoenaed before the grand jury.

    Yeah, I wonder why too. Did ya, like, say something on those tapes maybe????????

  62. hedidit // July 26, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Of particular interest to me is the statement that he wanted Len to sabotage the boat.
    ______________________

    Haven’t been here for a few weeks, as I’ve gotten into two other recent cases.

    But, I’ve been following recent events with the Peterson case and the statement about sabotaging the search boat really stood out to me!

    It makes me think the water searches are on the right track and Drew is worried Stacy’s remains might be found!

  63. Oh, you have to read Joel’s letter. Once again, they’re falling on their trusty public standby. The kids. The only problem is, his own attorney, who’s so interested and concerned, can’t even get the kid’s name right. Chris?

    Joel says the kids have to be told that Paula and Len were “pretending” they loved them. He’s blaming everybody now. Len, Paula, ISP.

    It makes you want to vomit.

    http://www.crimefilenews.com/

  64. The plant people, Sharon, Roy. They’re all damaging the kids. Only Drew is good.

    Yeah, I got it now. I understand.

  65. I honestly believe Drew writes all this crap and Joel allows him to do it under his name. There’s no way an attorney would write crap like this without, at the very least, getting 100% approval from his client. No way.

  66. Hello everyone. Wow, I need to go away more often. Catching up! Glad to see that CFS is still posting 😉

  67. Below is Joel’s post from earlier today.

    The first part is to another poster who said that the forclosures were dropped and Lenny and Paula had worked out a payment plan.

    The second, I believe, is in response to my post at SYM about Joel not being able to have it both ways (Lenny and Paula are in it for the money; Lenny and Paula missed out on the big money).

    Note: I broke his response into paragraphs so it is IMO easier to read. 😉

    Joel Brodsky:
    First, there are no payment plans for repayment. Len has a $350,000 judgement against him for running a guy down with his car and both Len and Paula have a $17,850 judgment for back rent from the last place they lived, just to name a few of there many debts.

    They guy he owes $350,000 to said on Fox yesterday he has never recieved a dime.

    How can they make payments on the debts when neither of them work and they can’t even pay there rent? So there is no payment plan.

    Secondly, what I am saying is of course Wawczak and Stark are in it for the money. They are just too dumb to know how to get the big money. Hosey probably gave them $500, which is big money to Len and Paula.

  68. Here is a statement from Joel Brodsky today. He is very concerned for Stacy and Kathleen’s children.

  69. this is from that site, part of it anyways ..

    The ISP and prosecutors love these forums because there is a cat and mouse game to be played. They know the suspects will visit these sites looking for information. The cats can cause the mice to believe that the jig is up and all the secrets are out.

    The latest effort seems to surround planted stories that Peterson’s arrest is imminent. Perhaps this will drive Peterson to try and cut a deal by revealing the location of Stacy Peterson’s body for the most palatable punishment possible.

    The plan is a simple one, drive Peterson straight into the police confessional and let him get it off his chest. The ISP knows every keystroke Peterson makes on his computer and can play on his weaknesses and emotions. I’m betting this effort will fail too.

  70. Facs – what’s there to say? Stacy loved them and he tells them she left them without a kiss goodby, didn’t care about them.

    And the “outraged public” is supposed to damn ISP, Paula and Len now? This crap isnt’ even worth wasting another minute on.

  71. Joel says the kids have to be told that Paula and Len were “pretending” they loved them.
    _________________

    EVEN if it were true that Paula and Len were only pretending they loved them WHY would you tell the kids that?

    Is THAT age appropriate?

  72. lug – the guy who runs that site is a nut job!!!! He doesn’t make any more sense than a drunk on a binge. I looked there to see what Brodsky’s letter said, since he picked that loser’s website to post it on.

  73. Correction, I see that it was the bankruptcies that were closed, and they were making payments on their debts rather than filing bankruptcy.

  74. SEEms to me that DREW does not give to sh*&*& about his kids at all telling them about what len and paula has done… he cann’t ever take responsability at all for his actions … and those young ones are very impresanable sorry miss spelled.. and they will believe anything drew tells them.. that is wrong wrong wrong …. these kids need to go to someone whom there best interest is at. for them

  75. noway406 // July 26, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Joel says the kids have to be told that Paula and Len were “pretending” they loved them.
    _________________

    EVEN if it were true that Paula and Len were only pretending they loved them WHY would you tell the kids that?

    Is THAT age appropriate?
    **********************************

    Of course there’s no excuse for that. Drew should tell them that they went on vacation.

  76. I’ll hand one thing to Brodsky.

    He has an amazing knack of finding and befriending the wackiest nut-jobs on the net. Kudos!

  77. I agree with you Noway. He’s always on the Internet, making rude statements and comments about anyone/everyone that tells the truth. He is SO stupid! How in the world do you say that Lenny and Paula are hurting the children? Drew killed their Mom’s! THAT is what hurts them! Why would Drew say anything to them about Paula and Lenny? Chicken chit! I wish that those kids were in a peaceful, loving environment. Really. Drew is still hopping fences and on the Internet all night. Hmmm JMO!

  78. rescueapet // July 26, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    lug – the guy who runs that site is a nut job!!!! He doesn’t make any more sense than a drunk on a binge. I looked there to see what Brodsky’s letter said, since he picked that loser’s website to post it on.
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    Rescueapet,

    I hear ya , on that , but thought it was interesting about what he said of the ISP doing that . was all I was pointing out. cause they do that and watch websites all the time if they know lawyers or even suspects post.. ya know this is how most get information to help in cases ….

  79. Um, Joel says: if someone is “outraged by the police sponsored psychological torture of the Peterson children, express your anger publicly.”

    What should they do to express their anger? March? Send donations? Write their politicians (oh, aren’t they the moral authorities), write a book, call the National Enquirer. Are Peterson’s family members, Stephen, Paul, the Morpheys, are they going to express their anger publicly too. Cuz, where I’m sitting, it’s eerily quiet.

  80. see since we know what is up , drew know is going to be kept in the public eyes spewing his guts that this or that is wrong I did no such thing , my kids are hurting blah blah … I just want him to shut his trap … and joel to

  81. Joel it is like this,,,,,Lenny and Paula were the only people Drew was running to 24/7. They were the only ones who could be effective. It is all your clients fault…Why didn’t Drew just tell them they went on vacation, that works right. Joel, I don’t know about the rest of the world but I can’t figure out what could a dad do that was worse and proved he was a horrible father then killing the kids mother.

  82. The thing that it going to hurt the children the worst is when “others” have to tell those children that their father killed their Moms-we all know that Drew will never admit to it!

  83. lug – he’s never going to shut his trap. Never. Might as well get used to it. Just that what comes out is ugly. Hopefully, he said enough the past months to put his evil butt away.

  84. Where is the Indictment and arrest of Drew Peterson?

    Will Lenny be the onlyt arrest in this case?

    It’s not looking to goode right now. You know Peterson’s kids will be filing lawsuits soon too against the ISP.

  85. nurserene // July 26, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Where is the Indictment and arrest of Drew Peterson?

    Will Lenny be the onlyt arrest in this case?

    It’s not looking to goode right now. You know Peterson’s kids will be filing lawsuits soon too against the ISP.
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    Well they will have to file them against their dad, he is the one that made friends with them and brought them into his home and ran to their house 24/7.

  86. rescueapet // July 26, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    Um, Joel says: if someone is “outraged by the police sponsored psychological torture of the Peterson children, express your anger publicly.”

    What should they do to express their anger?
    ***********************************

    Make sure Drew goes to prison so that his choice of friends aren’t allowed to influence the kids’ lives any longer.

  87. facsmiley // July 26, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Thousands of hours of tape…
    ~~~

    Definitely worth repeating! 😉

  88. Noway – Can you ask Joel if, in fact, MPhelps does have a recording of the conversation that was going on about a future book deal, LE can subpoena that and listen to it themselves, or would they have to call him to the GJ and tell him to bring his tape with him?

    Thanks.

  89. Facs – isn’t there a thread here, on WB, that contains a post of the word-for-word language and names Brodsky used when he was peed off at Phelps? Because, after reading Lenny’s ire at Brodsky, it brought back memories of Brodsky’s ire at Phelps. Just wanted to make a note of that for myself in case, knowing Brodsky, he tries to turn it on Lenny.

  90. facsmiley // July 26, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    There’s a new post at Ashley/Len’s blog. It’s a good one.

    ———————-

    there is no new post over there , I have been there and see the same peeps names that last posted …..so what one ya talking of????

  91. RESCUEAPET ,

    thanks for the link ………………

    I READ the hole thing wow and LOL I especially love what len said about JOEL ……

    gotta keep this somewhere love it —–
    Bottom line Jailhouse Joel ——— and the other one that he said of drew lol wont repeat here but to funny

  92. 🙂 rescueapet…….

    this is going to keep going and going drew will not stop … teehee…

    anyone know if he is going to florida yet??? or did his vaction restrictions get REVOLked

  93. Len, you don’t have to explain anything to Joel or DP. Don’t play their game, thats what they want you to do. Let them talk, everyone knows to consider the source.
    Joel should save it for the court room.

  94. duckyone // July 26, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    What did it say in the NE about where Ashley got that picture of Drew without his shirt-yack?

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    “Ashley first encountered Peterson in a Yahoo chat room and captured a webcam snapshot of him bare-chested that she posted on a blog she started to expose his sleazy antics”

  95. teneleven // July 26, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    duckyone // July 26, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    What did it say in the NE about where Ashley got that picture of Drew without his shirt-yack?

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    “Ashley first encountered Peterson in a Yahoo chat room and captured a webcam snapshot of him bare-chested that she posted on a blog she started to expose his sleazy antics”
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    Thanks TenEleven! Hmm-a little odd that the picture is from 2004. I guess NE didn’t investigate, shocking. LOL

  96. I just read that crap on the link that FACS posted.

    JB has GOT to be the LOWEST form of scum that I have ever seen.

    I will leave it at that, as it is pointless to say anything further.

  97. HJ-YES he is the lowest form of scum. Now, he brings the children into the newest situation. Pathetic, but I think that Drew might be one lower than the lowest of scum! Dang it, Noway sent me the anger emoticons and I can’t find it. I would put a very angry one here and one that has it’s lipped ZIPPED, as to not get in trouble with Gatehouse 😉

  98. Here ya go Ducky –

    👿 = :evil : no space after the “l”

    😈 = :twisted : no space after the “d”

    I also got angy reading that BS. 👿

  99. joelbrodsky
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    Re: Paula Stark and Lenny Wawczak – Wiretap
    « Reply #209 Today at 8:14pm » [Quote]
    Did you see Len/Ashely’s new (July 26) post on the drewpeterson1.blogspot.com blog? More proof he is a bad liar. He starts out by saying that yes he did file a bankruptcy, but that was because of his sick mother, and that he voluntarily dismissed the case because he made arrangements to voluntarily repay the creditors. What a crock.
    Go to http://www.crimefilenews.com/2008/07/len-wawczak-responds-to-crimefile-news.html and you will see the actual bankruptcy court documents. Wawczak’s bankruptcy was dismissed on the motion of his mortgage bank because he and Paula Stark were trying to commit Bankruptcy Fraud. Documents don’t lie. This proves that not only is Wawcak a liar, but he is a bad liar. Wawczak says he can’t wait until I cross examine him at a trial. Well all I can say is too bad it will never happen because, now more than ever, I am sure Drew Peterson will never be charged.

  100. very interesting post:

    Anonymous said…
    Don’t worry, Steve C. wired up the

    minute he found out Drew and Joel

    were going to pin Kathy’s murder

    on him.

    July 26, 2008 8:19 PM

  101. “Well all I can say is too bad it will never happen because, now more than ever, I am sure Drew Peterson will never be charged.”

    Dreaming again Joel?

    🙄

  102. harleyjoey // July 26, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Here ya go Ducky –

    = :evil : no space after the “l”

    = :twisted : no space after the “d”

    I also got angy reading that BS.
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    Thanks HJ!

    Both of them are disgusting, but Drew is the murderer, so I think that he takes the prize 👿

  103. Who’s Brodsky talking to? The 4 people on SYM? Go to crimefilenews?

    OMG, I just figured out who Brodsky has on the “payroll” as his private investigator.

    Get me my barf bag, cuz nurserene is making me sick!!!!!

  104. rescueapet // July 26, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Who’s Brodsky talking to? The 4 people on SYM? Go to crimefilenews?

    OMG, I just figured out who Brodsky has on the “payroll” as his private investigator.
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    OMG – now I am laughing so hard. Oh Rescue – what if that’s true??

  105. Facsmiley – Paulie needs nurserene real quick, and so does Brodsky. Private investigator. Now that’s an oxymoron.

    That PI has the audacity to read here first, then he goes on his blog and makes believe he thunk it all up himself.

    You aren’t such a smart guy Paulie.

  106. rescueapet // July 26, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Facsmiley – Paulie needs nurserene real quick, and so does Brodsky. Private investigator. Now that’s an oxymoron.

    That PI has the audacity to read here first, then he goes on his blog and makes believe he thunk it all up himself.

    You aren’t such a smart guy Paulie.
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    Are you kidding me? What a dipchit! Rescue-is he really posting the comments here as his PI thoughts? Nothing surprises me anymore with this case.

  107. Everything you need to know about Paul Huebl and his blog can be summed up in his own words:

    “Blog promotion seems to be an art I’ve not yet mastered. I’d love nothing more than to just be generating exactly what my visitors want and make a living at the same time. Only a small percentage of bloggers have made the big time “

  108. iknoweverythinglol // July 26, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    very interesting post:

    Anonymous said…
    Don’t worry, Steve C. wired up the

    minute he found out Drew and Joel

    were going to pin Kathy’s murder

    on him.

    ————————————————-

    WHAT post are ya talking about? and where can ya send me there thxs.

  109. Paulie says:

    There is a new tool for the police and that is the Internet. There are a bunch of forums or blogs that operate like forums dedicated to the effort to find Stacy Peterson. For the most part these sites are visited by those people with too much time on their hands. They float theories back and forth loaded with misinformation thinking they are somehow helpful to the cause.

    I have interacted with some of these people who follow several cases that I write about. For the most part they seem to be lonely introverts that don’t communicate like normal people. (Yeah, like this nitwit is normal.)
    ********

    Anonymous said…

    Question: WHO found out about the Peterson/Brosky “Stacy killed Kathleen” book deal, and exposed the links/transcripts to LE and the public at large?

    Answer: “Armchair detectives”.

    Question: WHO asked Brodsky so many questions that he, sucking up his fame and to his “fans”, attempted to cleverly NOT directly answer, knowing that it was just a pathetic last ditch effort to try and cover his client’s ass- only to have those semi-public answers bite HIM in the ass because what he said not ONLY *contradicted* the KNOWN facts, but also his current answers?

    Answer: “Armchair detectives”.

    Who gathered ALL of the pubic records, organized and cross-referenced ALL of the various people and places- as well as their plethora of publicly professed prolific promiscuity, pedophilic predelictions, profoundly passive promises, prescient paranoias, profoundly psychotic pathos, pedantically porn preferred predispositions, patheticly premature prattling, presumptuously predictable poop-filled prose,pompusly predisposed, publicity-seeking and passionate pleas?

    Answer: “Armchair detectives”.

    So, um- Yeah- good luck with that- NOT!

    ++++++++++++++++

    Stay out of the medicine cabinet too, Paulie.

  110. Wouldn’t it be great if Steve C. and Mike R. have been wearing wires this entire time. LOL I bet you that the police asked Mims and he couldn’t do it. Not the wire-wearing type of personality, but Steve and Mike-hmmm??

  111. How can crimefile be brodsky and Peterson’s private defense investigator when he is in Los Angeles?

  112. nurse – oh, yeah, that’s right. Paulie doesn’t have phones, faxes, computers, emails. What was I thinking? Duh. Hey, Stacy is in Thailand. She’ll never be able to phone home now.

  113. Paulie says:

    If Peterson has murdered anyone, his information may well be taken to the grave with him when he dies someday. If Peterson is innocent, he has been tortured enough.

    Now, hmmm, who thinks like this? Hmmm. Torture, terrorizing. I think the alien ship forgot all of you putz heads.

    And that guy you call a therapist.

  114. IS anyone going to let us know what geraldo says during this inteeview with those 2.

    at the start of the show he called drew the scum of the earth

  115. Paulie – I’m changing your name to Patsy. You’re Brodsky’s Patsy. I’ve gone over and read as much of your stuff as I could stomach, and your writing is obvious. Your gettin’ spoon fed what Brodsky wants you to say.

    Your nurserene schtick is old now Patsy. Run along.

  116. What till this story hit the street!

    I just heard that the reason the State Police dumped Len and Paula is because they could hear Paula getting it on with Drew on tape! Maybe Len does not know?

  117. Wait till this story hit the street! Duh, duh, duh…that would be “hits” the street pumpkin. If I only had a brain…..

    Go to SYM…You’ll fit right in honey, trust me 🙂

  118. You can’t blame Pauley/nurserene because Joel told him about his smoov kitty and he will do anything now to pet it.

  119. Rescue, you’re hot tonight!! You’ve been doing an outstanding job with your posts…..here and elsewhere!! Give ’em hell GF!!

  120. iknoweverythinglol // July 26, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    You can’t blame Pauley/nurserene because Joel told him about his smoov kitty and he will do anything now to pet it.
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    trin, you’re a dirty old man!

  121. mzinformed // July 26, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    iknoweverythinglol // July 26, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    You can’t blame Pauley/nurserene because Joel told him about his smoov kitty and he will do anything now to pet it.
    *******************************************
    trin, you’re a dirty old man!
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    Getting all upset over at Kimmers?

  122. Financing for that film come through yet, Paul?

    “Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 06:23:50 -0800
    From: “Paul Huebl”
    To: “Chuck44@…”
    Subject: Re: Come Friday Movie

    I need about $7 million to make the film. So far the people that love it can’t finance it. “

  123. I dunno but if I were Paul, I wouldn’t be taking anyone to task for have some money issues…or should I say love of money issues.

  124. iknoweverythinglol // July 26, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    mzinformed // July 26, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    iknoweverythinglol // July 26, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    You can’t blame Pauley/nurserene because Joel told him about his smoov kitty and he will do anything now to pet it.
    *******************************************
    trin, you’re a dirty old man!
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    Getting all upset over at Kimmers?
    *******************************************
    Nope, not been to kimmers since earlier this afternoon when I saw you were there ……….. soooo, I exited, stage left!

  125. facsmiley // July 26, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Financing for that film come through yet, Paul?

    “Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 06:23:50 -0800
    From: “Paul Huebl”
    To: “Chuck44@…”
    Subject: Re: Come Friday Movie

    I need about $7 million to make the film. So far the people that love it can’t finance it. “
    *******************************************
    At least he’s enteprising, unlike y’all in the coop, just sittin’ on your eggs, waitin’ for ’em to hatch!

  126. iknoweverythinglol // July 26, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Guess I did my job then.
    **********************************************
    Yep, you sure can clear a room with your nasty self!

  127. I don’t post much, before it was was from working too much, now it is from trying to enjoy company with other’s in my life. After yesterday’s fiascal with Drew and Len, in my eyes it helpes Drew, he showed that he can hold his temper, if that was me I wouldn’t have and I would have gone after Len. Maybe Drew knew that if he got charged with any kind of crime that it goes against his bail (for the gun charges), but if he was the type who loses his temper easily than he would have gone after Len in a heartbeat. For the tapes that Len did for ISP, I would think that if Drew said anything at all that has him looked guilty, he would have been charged because Len would have told ISP this is what he said on this tape (I would have). Yesterday it seemed to me that Len was after Drew and hoping to take him down himself (back when I was 20 I didn’t call my parents when someone gave my hard looks, I called friends or left). And if Len was after Drew that means to me that ISP didn’t get enough on the tapes. I am not a Drew supporter, but I am a innocent and proven guilty supporter. If this does go to trial, I feel sorry for the jury if Stacy’s body hasn’t been found, because even though Drew is a smuck, ignorant piece of crap that doesn’t mean he is a murderer. And for the record I don’t think he is a murderer, but I think he knows who did murder them. Sorry for the long post.

  128. facsmiley // July 26, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Oh they done hatched, baby! They done hatched.
    *********************************************
    I know, I know ………”the tapes,” right?

  129. mzinformed, just because you are a walking

    talking mouthpiece for Drew and Joel doesn’t

    mean you have to stickup for them at every turn.

  130. scott15 // July 26, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    I don’t post much, before it was was from working too much, now it is from trying to enjoy company with other’s in my life. After yesterday’s fiascal with Drew and Len, in my eyes it helpes Drew, he showed that he can hold his temper, if that was me I wouldn’t have and I would have gone after Len. Maybe Drew knew that if he got charged with any kind of crime that it goes against his bail (for the gun charges), but if he was the type who loses his temper easily than he would have gone after Len in a heartbeat. For the tapes that Len did for ISP, I would think that if Drew said anything at all that has him looked guilty, he would have been charged because Len would have told ISP this is what he said on this tape (I would have). Yesterday it seemed to me that Len was after Drew and hoping to take him down himself (back when I was 20 I didn’t call my parents when someone gave my hard looks, I called friends or left). And if Len was after Drew that means to me that ISP didn’t get enough on the tapes. I am not a Drew supporter, but I am a innocent and proven guilty supporter. If this does go to trial, I feel sorry for the jury if Stacy’s body hasn’t been found, because even though Drew is a smuck, ignorant piece of crap that doesn’t mean he is a murderer. And for the record I don’t think he is a murderer, but I think he knows who did murder them. Sorry for the long post.
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    Thoughtful and excellent, objective post, Scott !

  131. I doubt Drew’s ability to be aloof and passionless will carry any weight with a jury, one way or another.

    What you think about the evidence the ISP has is immaterial. You haven’t a clue what they know (nor do I).

    Why would you pity the jury? It isn’t their job to come up with a verdict of guilty.

    And what the heck is an “innocent and proven guilty supporter”?

  132. Facs
    If the Isp had anything on Drew he would have been arrested instead of being told that tapes have been made. Why would they let him know if tapes were made and possible let him run if he admitted anything?
    I pity the jury because they will not hear a normal case, they will hear so much bs that won’t have to do with the case.
    Innocent until proven guilty supporter is just that. If you don’t understand what that means then you need to do some reading.

  133. Hi, all. Will try to read and catch up. Is there a full moon … or has everyone lost their minds?

    😀 😉

  134. mzinformed ty
    Me and Drew have met in the past, even though I was innocent since someone else admitted to the crime, it will never take away the memory of his gun at my head and his comments to me. I was allowed my day in court and if he charged I want him to have his day in court. Because if back then we had the internet being judge and jury I could have been guilty even though I wasn’t, especially if Drew was posting.

  135. scott15 // July 26, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Facs
    If the Isp had anything on Drew he would have been arrested instead of being told that tapes have been made. Why would they let him know if tapes were made and possible let him run if he admitted anything?
    I pity the jury because they will not hear a normal case, they will hear so much bs that won’t have to do with the case.
    Innocent until proven guilty supporter is just that. If you don’t understand what that means then you need to do some reading.
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    Scott15, how do you know how long it takes to develop a double murder case with hundreds of witnesses and one body not found yet?

  136. What trial? Nobody has even been arrested except a government snich who was unable to implicate Petereson.

    Where is a body? How’sd she die? Who killed her? They need those answere first.

    Please tell us! Enquiring minds want to know!

  137. scott15 // July 26, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Unfortunately you didn’t say anything about ‘innocent until proven guilty’. Scroll up.

    “…I am a innocent and proven guilty supporter. ”

    Innocent AND proven guilty is what threw me. I thought you had some radical new perspective!

  138. Nurserene/Paul/Zelda, you’ll need to go back and do your own research. No one here is going to take you by the hand and start from the beginning.

  139. Scott, I have to say that I do give you all due respect, since you have also looked death in the face at the hands of Drew Peterson.

  140. Facs, I was told by his coworkers back then that he is an ass and overreacts. And like I said if it wasn’t for the the system we have I would have been convicted. And that is the only reason I will give him the benefit of the doubt. After all he could have made a bs reason on me trying to run and shot me. But that is not the reason I give him the benefit of this doubt, it is for the people who have given up their lives for this country to be how it is. If it was up to me, I say hang the a**hole.

  141. Iknow, not sure if it is word for word this was 16 yrs ago but it was along the lines of you are a piece of shit, don’t deserve to live, a low life mf, please try to run.

  142. Facs, actually i didnt look death in the face, my face was looking at the ground. But I know what you mean.

  143. Hi Scott – I don’t believe the idea that if LE had the goods on DP, they would’ve have arrested him by now. I happen to think that they’re just wrapping up their neat little package, because they HAVE to get it right the first time. There’s no second chances. If they rush it or charge him too soon, he’ll slip through the cracks. They know where he is, where he goes and what he does. He’s not going anywhere, and they’re not losing anything by taking their time. The more he talks, the deeper he digs his hole. Why share their information with Brodsky and Peterson if they don’t have to yet. Once he’s charged, they do, so Brodsky and Peterson are fighting an invisible monster right now, IMO. There are tapes, there aren’t tapes. He didn’t say anything, but if he did, it will clear him. Does that make any sense to you?

  144. There are tapes, there aren’t tapes. He didn’t say anything, but if he did, it will clear him. Does that make any sense to you?

    *** Let me clarify that – does it make sense that Brodsky double talks as the wind changes, i.e., first he says he doesn’t believe there’s tapes, then he says there are tapes, but they don’t have Drew saying anything incriminating …….

    Double talk for sure.

  145. rescue, if he said anything on the tapes, why let him know that there are tapes? especially since he is able to leave the state. I would think that ISP would have told the DA that we have something on him and do not let the judge approve him leaving state on the gun charges.

  146. Also, according to Joel L & P did everything for money, and then according to Joel they are stupid for giving out their stories for free when the tabloids would have paid big bucks.

    They don’t know what the truth is so they’re fishing.

  147. Does anyone know when Drew was hoping to leave the state?

    I just had this feeling they would arrest him before that … and him with unrefundable tickets.

    😉

  148. Scott – words Peterson said on the tape can always be open to interpretation. Say, for example, the remark he made about (that is supposedly on the tapes) being tried and acquitted before Stacy’s “remains” are found. Obviously, his theory of her being on a beach with her secret lover doesn’t match the word “remains,” but it doesn’t solidify his guilt either.

    I think those tapes may lead to other avenues, possibly, and help in the development of evidence. Things he may have said outwardly in the media, but contradicted in private may be useful. He seems to enjoy bragging about himself and patting himself on the back quite a bit. I don’t believe for a minute he admitted doing-in either Kathleen or Stacy, but I don’t think those tapes are as irrelevant as Brodsky would have us all believe either.

  149. Noway, here is a stupid question. Why would Drew let it be known he is leaving state? Anyone who has been on the internet has his addy and can break into his house. Hoping that they might find something. But still why advertise when you won’t be around?

  150. Does anyone know the reason why 126th st in Romeoville was closed Friday at 7:00? Not trying to spread anything but it was blocked off from 53 towards lockport, and I haven’t seen anything on the news about this.

  151. Here’s one question I have, and it has to do with that hearsay bill they’re waiting for the Gov to sign.

    I’m not clear as to whether that bill has to be signed before he’s ever charged. Why wouldn’t they be able to charge him with a crime and use that hearsay law, once the Gov signs it, before he’s brought to trial? I would assume they’d have an indication from the Gov one way or the other what he’s going to do, especially since Glasgow met with the Gov after the bill passed the House.

  152. scott15 // July 27, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Does anyone know the reason why 126th st in Romeoville was closed Friday at 7:00? Not trying to spread anything but it was blocked off from 53 towards lockport, and I haven’t seen anything on the news about this.
    **************

    You mean Hosey wasn’t there with a film crew???

  153. Drew Peterson’s Attorney Accuses Illinois State Police of ‘Psychological Torture’ of Peterson Children
    ThePublicityAgency.com – July 26, 2008

    (PRNewsChannel) / Chicago, Ill. – Joel A. Brodsky, the attorney for Drew Peterson, today accused the Illinois State Police (ISP) of engaging in ‘psychological torture’ of Peterson’s children.

    Brodsky posted a letter on the popular legal blog http://www.crimefilenew.com. The posting comes after Peterson’s “friends” Paula Stark and Len Wawczak revealed that they secretly recorded their conversations with Peterson and used Peterson’s children to get close to him. The duo also said they were acting as agents for the ISP when they did it.

    ***********

    Isn’t this a joke? And the web link is wrong to boot.

  154. Rescue, I guess he wasn’t, all I saw was police cars blocking off the road both coming from 53 and at the bridge.

  155. Rescue, I was hoping Hosey was there because it related to Drew, actually a wife of his who is missing.

  156. This is really precious. Brodsky is branching out into psychiatry.

    “Popular legal blog?” Paulie should be so lucky to be popular.
    ****************

    Drew Peterson’s Attorney Accuses Illinois State Police of ‘Psychological Torture’ of Peterson Children
    ThePublicityAgency.com – July 26, 2008

    (PRNewsChannel) / Chicago, Ill. – Joel A. Brodsky, the attorney for Drew Peterson, today accused the Illinois State Police (ISP) of engaging in ‘psychological torture’ of Peterson’s children.

    Brodsky posted a letter on the popular legal blog http://www.crimefilenew.com. The posting comes after Peterson’s “friends” Paula Stark and Len Wawczak revealed that they secretly recorded their conversations with Peterson and used Peterson’s children to get close to him. The duo also said they were acting as agents for the ISP when they did it.

    cont’d

    http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=725&z=4

  157. This is really precious. Brodsky is branching out into psychiatry.

    “Popular legal blog?” Paulie should be so lucky to be popular.
    ****************

    Drew Peterson’s Attorney Accuses Illinois State Police of ‘Psychological Torture’ of Peterson Children
    ThePublicityAgency.com – July 26, 2008

    (PRNewsChannel) / Chicago, Ill. – Joel A. Brodsky, the attorney for Drew Peterson, today accused the Illinois State Police (ISP) of engaging in ‘psychological torture’ of Peterson’s children.

    Brodsky posted a letter on the popular legal blog crimefilenew. The posting comes after Peterson’s “friends” Paula Stark and Len Wawczak revealed that they secretly recorded their conversations with Peterson and used Peterson’s children to get close to him. The duo also said they were acting as agents for the ISP when they did it.

    cont’d

    http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=725&z=4

  158. Hey Brodsky ,

    You want to talk about Psychological Torture. Does that mean I can come up Psychological Torture against Drew from 16 yrs ago? The only time it affects me is when I hear drews name and think about when he had the gun to my head which I was innocent onthe charge he tried accusing me of.
    Never mind Brodsky, that happened along time ago and I was over it, up until I heard your clients name all the time. But I will live with it. And since your client screwed up back then, I do really want to see the justice system work on his case. I know that whenever your client is charged I will keep having to hear about him, and like in my case I hope justice is found again.

  159. iknoweverythinglol // July 26, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    mzinformed, just because you are a walking

    talking mouthpiece for Drew and Joel doesn’t

    mean you have to stickup for them at every turn.
    *******************************************

    Yes it does ……… if what you say is true, it’s my J O B! LOL

  160. Well, I don’t know, since I was not there, what happened with either Kathleen or Stacey. I do know that one is dead and one is missing. I do know that I do not like Drew Peterson and I believe he is capable of murder and sinister plans to get away with murder. I believe he is cold, calculating, and sly as a fox. I believe he has not one ounce of parental love for those children or he would not be subjecting them to strange women coming and going, etc. I keep praying for Stacy to be found and I won’t stop praying for justice for her, Kathleen and their children. I pray for protection for the children. What a mess we have made of God’s Perfect Creation!

  161. Joel’s having a bad week all around:

    “Appellate court denies ex-cop’s bond reduction

    July 26, 2008Recommend

    NEWS-SUN STAFF REPORT
    A bond reduction has again been rejected for the former Waukegan police officer accused of raping a woman while on duty.

    Earlier this week, the Second Judicial District Appellate Court in Elgin denied a request by the attorney for Delatwon Haynes to lower his $2 million bond.

    The one-paragraph ruling submitted to Lake County courts Wednesday simply said the motion to reduce bond was denied.

    Haynes’ attorney Joel Brodsky filed the motion with the appellate court after a bond reduction was denied in Lake County court…”

  162. From Len/Ashley’s Blog:

    “Oh and Joel ? Don’t worry the ISP knows & HEARD what you & Drew wanted me to do to that person from the news paper , they know you wanted me to sabotage him & things in his life…”

    Do you think he means Hosey? Len says this was in May and that’s when Brodsky and he had words. Brodsky accused Hosey of misquoting himself and Drew and misrepresenting things in order to make sure his book sold.

  163. I wish Lenny would hit a paragraph return once in awhile … I hate reading those posts … forces me to just look at the pictures. UGH!

    😀

    BBL

  164. Iam reading what you read noway, how funny is that , oh my gosh. it is a riot . Iam glad they did what they did to drew..

  165. [PDF] In re Joel Brodsky; Michael L. Shevick v. Joel Brodsky
    399k – Adobe PDF – View as HTML
    Bankruptcy Caption: In re Joel Brodsky … that he did not file a … 1998, he did not object to that appointment, file a motion to vacate the …
    http://www.ilnb.uscourts.gov/opinions/JudgeSquires/99a00069.pdf
    Joel Brodsky
    … after the divorce he filed for bankruptcy under Chapter 7 of the Bankruptcy Code. … nor did he provide any record of his transaction to the estate file, to his …
    http://www.clr.org/Brodsky

  166. jiminmokena // July 26, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Pathetic. All of this is simply and totally pathetic.
    ________________
    I agree.

    Can anyone stop the madness?

  167. I’m hoping Len and Paula will get the advice of an attorney, if that haven’t already. It’s truly time to stop.

  168. Facs, do you think law enforcement (at whatever level) would stop them before they screw things up?

    COULD the postings by Lenny screw things up?

    I’m trying to catch up reading everywhere but last night was wild.

  169. Leave poor Lenny and Paula alone, they have enogh major troubles.

    Dumb, unemployable, and prone to break the law…

  170. I’m going to rant for a second. I don’t believe that Lenny should be posting this type of crap when he is witness in a murder case. If he keeps doing this type of stuff, he will lose all crediblity with the jury. What is the purpose? To get one UP on Drew? I was very happy at first with Paula and Lenny, but it’s beginning to turn into the same drama antics that Drew and Joel are constantly playing. I would hope that Lenny would be in touch with the ISP and that they would ask him to stop the childish antics. JMO

    Oh, and how dare they use ducks. LOL At least those ducks are smart enough to stay out of the tub and away from the idiots. JMO

  171. I can only HOPE that if they were jeopardizing the case in any way, that ISP would have shut them down.

    But I totally agree that Lenny should not be posting. I felt the same about others involved in this case. From both sides.

  172. Noway-I don’t see how they can keep this crap out of the courtroom if him and his wife are witnesses. He looks like he has a grudge now. I really supported him at the beginning but the assault wasn’t good (unless this was the last time), and this new picture is so unnecessary. IMO

    Everyone should stop the blogging-the people involved in the case or if they could be brought in to the trial. They should air on the side of caution.

    They are acting like dumb and dumber (DP and JB) Not good! JMO

  173. facsmiley // July 27, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    I’m hoping Len and Paula will get the advice of an attorney, if that haven’t already. It’s truly time to stop.
    ***********************************************
    On “her” blog today, he said his cousin is a lawyer.
    Do y’all think his name is Vinny? Surely he would be advising against this behavior. But, then again, maybe not. We’ve all seen “off-the-wall” stuff from clients before in this case, haven’t we?

  174. Maybe, just maybe, Len thinks Brodsky and/or Peterson have more to worry about than Len posting PhotoShop pics of the two, and keeping up a blog. You never know, there’s so many twists and turns in this saga. There was 7 months, and as Facsmiley would say, thousands of hours of tape recordings, so no one can much say what’s going on these days. Unless, of course, you’re in on it too and you have the inside information. 😉

  175. Hell, maybe they’re STILL getting recordings. Unless everyone is stripping at Drew’s door before entry, ya just never know who’s wired for sound.

  176. Hey Rescue-you were NOT referring to me in your above post that said that “you’re in on it too and you have the inside information”? If you were, that is NO and NO!

    OT-anyone see the video of that gorilla knocking the tranquilizer out of the hands of the person that was going to shoot him? I can’t find it anywhere. I want to send it to a friend that didn’t catch it.

  177. I’d like to know how a defense attorney is going to go into court, before a trial judge, before a jury, and use blog entries against a witness in the trial of his client, when he himself has not only ranted and raved against someone that peed him off (read: MPhelps), but may very well be on the tapes in his own voice? I understand the lawyer is not the one on trial, but how is a jury going to keep a straight face when the defendant’s own attorney engages in the same practices he’s going to use against a witness?

    I have another thought. If Len’s rendition of the tape escapades is true and Brodsky may be in some legal difficulty because of it, wouldn’t LE want to get that little matter straightened out with the defense attorney before they start charging the defendant with a crime? That would make sense to me, so there’s no problem in the midst of all this with the guy’s attorney being in deep doo doo himself.

  178. Thanks Rescue! I looked there and couldn’t find it. Oh well. I thought that it might cheer up my friend.

    BTW-I knew you didn’t mean me. LOL

  179. Ducky – I tried looking for it too. I saw it on Fox, I know I did, but I can’t find the clip. I’m sorry.

    🙂

  180. What trial? The only pending trial is for Lenny.

    Wishful thinking and planted witneses with a histroy of telling lies is hardly going to help solve this case.

  181. Self-Medication blogger is in the house. 🙂

    Rescue-TY for looking. Your so sweet! Or you try to be….LOL! 😉

  182. nurserene // July 27, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    What trial? The only pending trial is for Lenny.

    Wishful thinking and planted witneses with a histroy of telling lies is hardly going to help solve this case.
    ——————————————————–

    Pauly you are just jealous you aren’t in the tub with Joel and Drew.

  183. rescueapet // July 27, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    Ducky – it’s going to drive me crazy about that gorilla video now! Where is it?
    ——————————————————–
    I know! It’s driving me crazy! UGH!

  184. All my posts are going to spam even when I fix the link so it’s not a link … testing … testing 😀

  185. Not since the post regarding Lenny’s blog … the post about Lenny’s financial situation. Of course then Lenny retaliated … and so it stands.

    I’m guessing the silence will be broken after “Jerry Rivers” has Lenny and Paula on tonight?

    But who will Joel attack? Geraldo or Lenny?

  186. I thought they where on geraldo last night ?? where they..I know he talked about drew and said they would be on his show but did not see them onlast night

  187. It was a chimp, duh! I am so dumb. It’s on youtube as well!

    THANKS Lug-but I would prefer to be called duckyone and not dickyone 😀

  188. LOL … maybe it was “last night” and I’m only reading it today so when they said “tonight” I thought it meant Sunday night.

    Should have looked more carefully. 😀

    Hmm … then I’m confused because Joel did not attack either one of them!

    Did anyone see Geraldo?

  189. duckyone // July 27, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    It was a chimp, duh! I am so dumb. It’s on youtube as well!

    THANKS Lug-but I would prefer to be called duckyone and not dickyone
    ======================

    SO SO SORRY , IAM WATCHING NASCAR and typing at same time lol my bad

  190. Lug, sorry I missed you last night. Thought you might stop by the chat (that’s where I was) but never saw you …

  191. NOWAY, I was in there and no one was there lol.

    BUT posting here though . then went to bed early was tired but will be in later on tonight.. but it’s ok…:)

  192. lug-it made me lol! No need to apologize-Nascar is on, so I shall forgive. HAHA! I hope it ran off Pauly. 🙂

    Noway-I saw parts of it last night. I think that it repeats again tonight?

  193. I believe tonight’s Geraldo is going to be different than last night’s. I may have read that on Len’s log. Last night’s piece was short, but tonight’s is supposed to be longer. At least, that’s the way I think it’s going to be.

  194. I went to foxnews and looked it up and said today date as well as last nights so they will continue with drew story..

  195. Thanks Rescue! I hope so. I want to see Brodsky make an @ss out of himself AGAIN! I really do hope that Lenny and Paula will stop the back and forth with DP and JB. It can’t be helping them as witnesses.

    Lug-nah, Pauly is just reading up here. She will be reporting that you called me dickyone, news at 11. What a fool that person is! lol

  196. lugnut96 // July 27, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    NOWAY, I was in there and no one was there lol.

    BUT posting here though . then went to bed early was tired but will be in later on tonight.. but it’s ok…
    ___________
    I realized I was in there late … I ended up going to bed around 1:30 MDT … maybe chat w/you tonight. During Geraldo? 😀

  197. I wonder….How much crazier is this saga going to get….I can’t believe what’s going on at
    “Ashleys” ……I thought I had alot to wonder about yesterday…Check in today and BAM it just gets wierder and wierder…Now I got even more stuff to wonder about!!!

    So……..How are my fellow bloggers today ?

  198. My biggest wonder at this point…..Who in the heck are “Thelma and Louise” going to turn out to be….I can’t even fathom who at this point…I am sure it will blow our socks off when we do find out……thoughts ?

  199. Susan Sarandon and Geena Davis?

    I mean if Brittney Spears and John Travolta are going to be involved in this case … who knows!

    😀

  200. Hey Hey Hey…Does this mean Brad Pitts going to be involved in this caped crusade going on at
    “Ashley’s”…If so man I want a piece of the action !! LMAO j/k

  201. facsmiley // July 27, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Me and Rescue?
    ____________
    Then why don’t you just post under your own names. Make it easier. 😉

    But I do like the sound of “Thelma and Louise” …

  202. I wonder…..What’s next in this saga……Time will tell I guess….I’ll just be here waiting….

  203. I don’t usually post here…just lurk because DANYA ROCKS…anyway…can’t help myself.

    Thelma and Louise have got to be ISP and maybe even FBI!

    My opinion
    Time will tell.

    …But, I must say I enjoy all of the regular bloggers posts here…k…you all rock too!

  204. From Crimefiles:

    Many people would rather hold trials by gossip. Whoever screams the loudest or puts on the best show wins. That worked for the Taliban but it won’t work for me. I refuse to apologize for my support of our entire Bill of Rights.

    ********

    Why you hypocrite!!!!!!!! You’ve been kissing Brodsky’s butt every step of the way in this matter, and you have the audacity to accuse someone else of trial by gossip? What the hell do you call what Brodsky’s been doing to every single involved individual who has spoken out against Drew Peterson because they are decent, morally responsible individuals? If he hasn’t been the epitome of trial by gossip and you continue to be in denial, then you are nothing but a propaganda master. And you stink at it!

  205. facsmiley // July 27, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    If this job entails driving over that damn cliff at the end, then I want out right now!
    *************

    Awe ya killjoy !! LMAO

  206. Possible Thelma & Louise are friends or family ?Lenny’s been at this for a long time – he needs a break .

    Just a guess.

  207. Anything is possible at this point. BBL Happy Blogging
    ( if anyone is still here and reading this )

  208. Believe it or not, The Wizard of Oz is on right now. I’m looking at the Cowardly Lion as I blog.

    🙂

  209. I think Geraldo is coming on at 8 here … I need to check into that and move to the laptop. 😀

    Yes, Mr. Crimefile, I have no life. 😀 😀 😀

  210. I had to laugh at his comment on his blog that ‘these people don’t communicate like normal people’ or whatever he said along those lines.

    It’s true to some extent.

    Do you ever hear anyone say LOL or ROTFLMAO in a real conversation?

    😉

  211. I am recording Geraldo tonight since Superman is hogging the TV so if anyone see’s it and wants to post some highlights I would be ever so greatful…:)

  212. Drew Peterson Sets Record Straight on Former ‘Friends’ Betrayal
    ThePublicityAgency.com – July 27, 2008

    (PRNewsChannel) / Chicago, Ill. – After a week of hearing their names on local and national news coverage, Drew Peterson says he wants to set the record straight on the couple referred by the media as his “friends,” “long time friends,” and “close friends.” These descriptions of Len Wawczak and Paula Stark, he says, are far from accurate and he wants to the record straight, according to his publicist, Glenn Selig.

    Drew Peterson released the following statement:

    “I first met Len Wawczak about 16 years ago. As a Bolingbrook police officer I was involved in Wawczak arrests for multiple various petty offences, such as drunk and disorderly, misdomeanor gun charges, and battery.

    “After that, as an officer, I would see Len Wawczak and Paula Stark while I was on neighborhood patrol in my police car. I would stop and talk to them. It was in the capacity of police work, but the contacts were friendly in nature. I would see Wawczak and Stark about once or twice a month in this capacity, and we would engage in friendly conversation. However, I never entered their house, and neither Wawczak or Stark ever came to my home.

    “After Stacy left, and the Illinois State Police (ISP) towed my cars as ‘evidence,’ many of my police offier friends abandoned me, and the media surrounded my home. At that point Len Wawczak and Paula Stark showed up and offered to let me use their car when I needed it. They also offered that I could come over to their home to get away from the media, and that they would help me by watching my kids when I needed. I took them up on their offers. Len Wawczak and Paula Stark suddenly started to come over to my house quite often, and engage me in conversation, and now, looking back, pretended to be supportive and friendly so they could record conversations to give to police. Len Wawczak and Paula Stark suddenly began to pay a great deal of attention to my children and put effort into developing a close and loving relationship with the kids apparently in an effort to gain even more access to me.

    “Len Wawczak and Paula Stark were never my close friends or long-time friends. Further, they are people who we now know took advantage of my children and myself when he I was most vulnerable and needed help.”

    Editor’s Note: Drew Peterson will not be available for media interviews

  213. Drew Peterson says he wants to set the record straight

    How about setting the record straight about where Stacy is?

  214. The grandparents KNEW she was missing for a month?

    I didn’t know that. That’s what Jeannie Whoever said on Geraldo.

  215. Yeah Noway… Pretty disturbing stuff huh? Did you listen to the 911 calls that the grandma made? She said something to the effect of “I’ve given you a month” – Talking to Casey.

  216. I wonder……..Who is going to believe that
    “Statement” Perhaps you should have just
    Pled the 5Th on this one DP !!! WHAT A JOKE !

  217. I wonder….If I am to actually believe DP’s statement of setting the record straight..Does this mean that everything he said to Lenny and Paula is negated by the fact that he feels he has been “wronged” in some way by their intentions ? What kind of idiot would believe that ? LMAO

  218. 😆 Geraldo said he would have paid Lenny’s bond.

    Also, Apparently Drew is still chatting with Paula…. Funny part is he does not know it is her!!!!!

    To him – Probably just another mommy for his kids. Any random person will do.

  219. HJ-her name on the computer is Katie (for sure) Elso-maybe the last name. OMG…what a freaking idiot. Still talking to her as of yesterday. ROTFLMFAO! That guy is such an idiot! Who would still blog with women when this just happened to you? Did you catch that they bugged Drew’s house?? HAHAHAHAH!!

  220. Geraldo said that Lenny and Paula are his heroes. He’s going to get a Lenny and Paula Forever t-shirt. 😉

    Basically both Lenny and Paula said there was evidence on the tape that could convict DP but that they could not talk about it.

    The judge lady, Jeannie _________ (sorry her name escapes me) asked why they came forward to media.

    Paula said that because the letter notifying DP of the taping would be going out, they asked if it would be okay, and ISP said yes … that they come forward.

    PAULA was also a woman Drew chatted with? That’s what I got but it wasn’t clear to me what she was saying.

  221. noway406 // July 27, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    The grandparents KNEW she was missing for a month?

    I didn’t know that. That’s what Jeannie Whoever said on Geraldo.
    ——————————————————–
    On a tape recording when the Grandmother called 911, she is heard saying that she already gave her 30 days. Hmm…my guess is that she knew more than she is giving to the police. Also, I wonder if the “child left in a hot car” is what happened?

  222. I truly cannot believe how incredibly stupid Drew is. One would think he learned after “Ashley”.

    I swear, NOBODY could make this stuff up.

  223. “Len Wawczak and Paula Stark were never my close friends or long-time friends. Further, they are people who we now know took advantage of my children and myself when he I was most vulnerable and needed help.”

    ___________

    He just whispered “I love you” into her bra now and then!

    😀 😀

    And who knows what he said to her alter ego.

  224. 😆

    I rewound it…. I can make out him saying ” You have become a part of my every thought. …….. I’ll be on the Today show tomorrow morning.”

    That was dated 7/24

  225. I love how Drew makes a statement … or Joel makes a statement … and then Lenny and Paula come out with something that shows IT IS A LIE.

    😀

  226. HAHA!! They just said that Lenny shaved his own @ss and sent it to Drew and Drew said “wow.” OMG…I am cracking up over here.

    I wonder what “Katie” has been talking to Drew about. Sigh…will it ever end?

  227. OMG! Gotta love Lenny! Shaved his butt and put on a thong. Sent the pic to Drew – Drew told him “WOW”

    SO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😆

  228. I watched Geraldo but can’t get control of the TV to go back and get any further depth. CANNOT believe Drew was still chatting up Internet girlfriends after what went down this week.

  229. rescueapet // July 27, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Ducky – wasn’t that funny?????
    ——————————————————-
    Hilarious! Really, and a thong to “boot”

    Lenny is taking this seriously. LOL. I can’t believe that Drew is stupid enough to be talking to other women on the Internet…Idiot!

    I also caught that Lenny and Paula put devices in Drew’s house…OH MY! I hope that an arrest is soon!

  230. I didn’t catch that part – that they put devices in his house. I was only aware that they had a camera in their house, and, of course, their wires.

    I wonder if Brodsky really does have anything to worry about? I’m talking about the sabotage thing Lenny mentioned today. Wow.

  231. Rescue-fill me in on the sabotage thing, please?

    I want to know about Paula/Katie’s conversations with the murderer. Oh, I mean that I think that he’s a murderer, so that is JMO!

  232. rescueapet // July 27, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    I didn’t catch that part – that they put devices in his house. I was only aware that they had a camera in their house, and, of course, their wires.

    I wonder if Brodsky really does have anything to worry about? I’m talking about the sabotage thing Lenny mentioned today. Wow.
    ____________
    😀

    And Joel was freakin’ about SHARON’S CAMERAS!

  233. I watched Geraldo as well and was totally amazed that Drew would still IM with the “ladies” after learning firsthand that he does not know who he is chatting with or what their intentions are. You could actually see Paula was on a live chat with him while being recorded. I don’t get it.

    And that little letter he wrote about how he didn’t consider these guys as friends before and yada, yada, yada – boo hoo hoo – yada, yada… If he wasn’t that close to them why in God’s name would he leave his children with him??

    I’ve given up on trying to figure any of this out.

    As I’ve said – I’m still expecting either Darth Vadar (or maybe the actor that played the lion in Oz) to come out and say he failed the DNA test and Drew is his son.

    I’m trying sooooo hard to be patient but it is really getting hard. I just want to flip to the last chapter in the book and find out how it ends.

  234. I CAN believe he’s on the internet scouting out another lady, that is his weakness & the FBI & ISP profilers figured him out months ago.

    They went after him where he is the weakest.

    There is no figuring out a narcissist/sociopath, that is for the shrinks to do, way beyond a normal person to try to understand!

  235. this has become some silly little school yard pissing match and the media in the area are just having a blast reporting it. i personally don’t give a shit how drew met len and paula. i only care that what they did was legal and it helps in arresting numbnuts. i honestly think that if drew stays with joel as his lawyer, he’ll either end up with a mistrail or winning an appeal on the whole incompetent representation issue.

    here’s what i found a little while ago. how does this help?
    oh yeah, on ashley’s blogs i posted as “stoned in canada”

    Drew Peterson Sets Record Straight on Former ‘Friends’ Betrayal
    ThePublicityAgency.com – July 27, 2008

    (PRNewsChannel) / Chicago, Ill. – After a week of hearing their names on local and national news coverage, Drew Peterson says he wants to set the record straight on the couple referred by the media as his “friends,” “long time friends,” and “close friends.” These descriptions of Len Wawczak and Paula Stark, he says, are far from accurate and he wants to the record straight, according to his publicist, Glenn Selig.

    Drew Peterson released the following statement:

    “I first met Len Wawczak about 16 years ago. As a Bolingbrook police officer I was involved in Wawczak arrests for multiple various petty offences, such as drunk and disorderly, misdomeanor gun charges, and battery.

    “After that, as an officer, I would see Len Wawczak and Paula Stark while I was on neighborhood patrol in my police car. I would stop and talk to them. It was in the capacity of police work, but the contacts were friendly in nature. I would see Wawczak and Stark about once or twice a month in this capacity, and we would engage in friendly conversation. However, I never entered their house, and neither Wawczak or Stark ever came to my home.

    “After Stacy left, and the Illinois State Police (ISP) towed my cars as ‘evidence,’ many of my police offier friends abandoned me, and the media surrounded my home. At that point Len Wawczak and Paula Stark showed up and offered to let me use their car when I needed it. They also offered that I could come over to their home to get away from the media, and that they would help me by watching my kids when I needed. I took them up on their offers. Len Wawczak and Paula Stark suddenly started to come over to my house quite often, and engage me in conversation, and now, looking back, pretended to be supportive and friendly so they could record conversations to give to police. Len Wawczak and Paula Stark suddenly began to pay a great deal of attention to my children and put effort into developing a close and loving relationship with the kids apparently in an effort to gain even more access to me.

    “Len Wawczak and Paula Stark were never my close friends or long-time friends. Further, they are people who we now know took advantage of my children and myself when he I was most vulnerable and needed help.”

    Editor’s Note: Drew Peterson will not be available for media interviews.

    Media Contact:
    Glenn Selig
    Publicist, ThePublicityAgency.com
    Email: glenn@thepublicityagency.com
    Phone: (813) 948-7767
    Web site: http://www.ThePublicityAgency.com

    Source Web Site: ThePublicityAgency.com

  236. also, did anyone come out ask len and paula if they were tapping for bpd? under the whole pretense that they were assisting in the gun possession case and not the murder/missing investigation that isp has juridiction over? could they have been misled in the beginning? don’t know if this has been discussed….

  237. lcr2008 // July 27, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    also, did anyone come out ask len and paula if they were tapping for bpd? under the whole pretense that they were assisting in the gun possession case and not the murder/missing investigation that isp has juridiction over? could they have been misled in the beginning? don’t know if this has been discussed….
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    Why would Len & Paula be taping for BPD, BPD has nothing to do with the investigation, ISP is in charge of the case.

    Also, Len & Paula have stated they were working for ISP when they were wired, so why even bring up BPD????

  238. I think it’s been clearly stated several times by Lenny and Paula, that it was ISP that they were working with.

  239. Drew isn’t very observant, wouldn’t Lenny have been scratching his bum alot, since it does itch when hairs grow back in! LOL LOL

  240. nurserene // July 27, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Leave poor Lenny and Paula alone, they have enogh major troubles.

    Dumb, unemployable, and prone to break the law…
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    How nice of you! NOT!

  241. luvpups // July 27, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    nurserene // July 27, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Leave poor Lenny and Paula alone, they have enogh major troubles.

    Dumb, unemployable, and prone to break the law…
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    How nice of you! NOT!
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    Hey Rene-were you looking in the mirror when you said that? You are very dumb, unemployable and I’m sure that you break the law. Besides that, you are a scum @ss, trashy whore that likes to side with murderers. Go take you meds and sleep off your ugliness, then you shall be gone for years. JMO 🙂

  242. Ducky – sorry, I just saw your post asking about the sabotage.

    Lenny said in his blog post today that he has Drew AND Brodsky on tape conniving to get him to “sabotage” a newspaper reporter. That’s what I meant by that. Guess he might mean Hosey, and this was is May, about the time that Brodsky was mad at Hosey because he said he misquoted him.

    Does that help?

  243. Rescue-thanks! You are so cool! I need to head off to bed. Have a great night! See ya tomorrow. I’ll say my nightly prayers that there is an arrest soon! Night.

  244. luvpups // July 27, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    lcr2008 // July 27, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    also, did anyone come out ask len and paula if they were tapping for bpd? under the whole pretense that they were assisting in the gun possession case and not the murder/missing investigation that isp has juridiction over? could they have been misled in the beginning? don’t know if this has been discussed….
    ——————————————
    Why would Len & Paula be taping for BPD, BPD has nothing to do with the investigation, ISP is in charge of the case.

    Also, Len & Paula have stated they were working for ISP when they were wired, so why even bring up BPD????

    i wasn’t trying to get anyone’s back up. sheesh. i don’t follow every single tidbit and i don’t have a the time to look back to all the news pieces i have read about this case over the last several months. i asked an uneducated question. i thought that the gun case was being handled by the bpd or similar jurisdiction and NOT isp. i’m sure that i have read some web pieces referring to the fact that it has not been proven that they were working with isp? i’m too tired to look for them… i’m sorry i repeated someone else’s post about the pr release (i think it was rescue)……

  245. lcr – links gettnig repeated happens all the time. No problem here.

    Good night.

    😀
    Happens with all kinds of posts too. 😉

  246. No, I’ve learned to type in my sleep.

    It makes following this case much, much easier.

    I’m rolling over now … let me bring my keyboard with me.

    😀

  247. Hello all my blogster friends!

    Lovin’ that “press release”….really desperate, huh, and it’s all “drew says”. Where’s his lawyer? oh, yeah….hiding under the blankets now because he may be in really deep stuff.

    What? He’s not out here shouting that anything and everything on the tapes is a joke?

    (Sharp intake of breath) Uh Oh, Joel.

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