Your Thread – August 5

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57 thoughts on “Your Thread – August 5

  1. What concerns me (And maybe Danya would be kind enough to follow up with this, because Mr. Hosey is out of town..)..

    On July 14th the Senator/Sponsor of the “Hearsay bill” claimed that a copy of the bill was already at the governor’s office and on his desk waiting to be signed, he also claimed he had called the governor’s office urging him to sign it.

    A follow up call specifically asking about the information they gave Joe Hosey during his interview and why it appeared to be untrue, only turned up that there was a ‘mistake’ and that the bill had not actually been sent over after all.

    So, another ball drop for Stacy and Kathleen made by officials.

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    July 13, 2008
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    By JOE HOSEY The Herald News

    Drew Peterson’s third wife has been silent for four years, and his fourth wife has not been heard from in nine months.

    A bill on the governor’s desk could allow them to speak.

    It would give a judge the authority to allow hearsay evidence at a criminal trial. The bill passed through both the state House and Senate and is now waiting for the governor’s signature.

    “It’s under review,” said Brian Williamsen of the governor’s office. But the bill’s sponsor, Sen. A.J. Wilhelmi, D-Joliet, said he called Rod Blagojevich’s people and put in a request to make the bill a law.

    “We have contacted his office and asked him to make it a priority,” Wilhelmi said of the bill, which passed through the Senate 43-0.

    “It’s overwhelming in its unanimous support,” Wilhelmi said. “People recognize it’s important.”

    State’s Attorney James Glasgow worked with Wilhelmi to craft the bill.

    “He helped draft the bill,” said Glasgow’s spokesman, Charles B. Pelkie. “He flew out to Washington to view a California case (before the Supreme Court) with similar issues.”

    Glasgow also said he was going to make his feelings known to Blagojevich.

    “I’ll be talking to the governor’s adviser on public safety (Friday),” he said Thursday.

    The proposed law would give judges the discretion to allow statements that previously would have been excluded by the hearsay rule. The judge would have to decide during a pretrial hearing that the statement was made against a defendant who silenced the witness. This silencing, for example, could have been accomplished by killing the witness.

    The law might apply to missing Bolingbrook mother Stacy Peterson, the wife of former Bolingbrook police Sgt. Drew Peterson, whom state police named a suspect in her “potential homicide.” Stacy supposedly told a minister Peterson killed his previous wife, Kathleen Savio.

    Or the law might come into play with Savio herself, as she sent a letter to former Assistant State’s Attorney Elizabeth Fragale in November 2002 in which she wrote, “(Peterson) knows how to manipulate the system, and his next step is to take my children away. Or kill me instead.”

    State police found no signs of foul play in Savio’s March 2004 apparent bathtub drowning. In the wake of Stacy’s disappearance, her death was ruled a homicide and the state police were given another crack at investigating it.

    Pelkie would not say if the hearsay bill now on the governor’s desk was drafted with Peterson in mind.

    “(Glasgow) can’t comment on a specific case,” he said.

    Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, contends the proposed law has no bearing on any potential murder case against his client, and he cited Giles v. California, the same case Glasgow went to Washington to hear.

    “Because of the Giles case, the new hearsay law does not make a whit of difference,” Brodsky said.

    Sun-Times News Group

  2. Also, with the urging by the Senator through phone calls to the governor’s office, and the conversation Glasgow intended on having with the governor’s adviser, I can’t believe that no one ever said “Hey, would love to sign it, still don’t have it…”

    Obviously the bill is not as important as I thought it was, or is not being taken as seriously as I thought it was, if for almost a month now it has just been in limbo due to a clerical mistake, or …

    And even better is the fact that this information was obtained a week ago, and they STILL hadn’t sent it over at check in time yesterday.

    And you wonder how the system could have allowed the murder of Kathleen Savio to go undetected and without consequence for so long… ?

  3. Seppy, this is Illinois.

    It is par for the course. I am not surprised in the least.

    The ‘system’ didn’t allow KS’ murder to go undetected, BPD did. You know damn well they knew it was a murder.

    C’mon. If it hit any news, it could have made the department look bad. And quite possibly have shined a light on how things run in Will County.

    Second only in corruption (in IL) to Cook County.

  4. I wish I could argue with you, but I’m still just blown away!

    Is it apathy?

    I expected ball dropping from local officials (not as a whole, individuals trying to cover their butts), but for even the Senator to give such completely bad information, and then drop the ball, and leave it dropped, as if he has no concern for the consequence.. is just.. bold?

    If I knew I had made a big show to the media and it all turned out to be a lie, or let’s call it ‘bad information’, I’d bust butt trying to correct it.

    Maybe back on July 13th it was a big deal to have it signed and everyone cared and were urging the governor, but today on August 5th it seems like no one gives a crap.

    I gave it till Monday for them to get it sent over before starting a big public “Wtf”, hope the media gives back to these women with a little pressure on them as to why the bad information, lack of follow up, or lack of action.

    As for Kathleen’s death, you know rumor has it the guy who took the crime scene photos showed up drunk after having been out having a bit of fun.

  5. And what do you bet the photos are worthless…

    This will always be the way it is. I have no hope.
    Cops are as corrupt as criminals in so many cases.

    Politicians? Slimier than pond scum.

    Yeah. I am a cynical realist, for sure.

  6. Tell them not to use a one winged carrier pidgeon to get it to the Gov. There are other ways to get it to him ASAP.
    It’s really pathetic

  7. Hi

    Yeah, lookin’, I think that’s a good idea. I would, but they wouldn’t pay any attention to a foreign email.

    Who knows why the delay…it happens all the time everywhere. It does make you wonder what’s the matter with people. My daughter’s emergency MRI scan wasn’t sent to the surgeon for 8 weeks because Radiology and Neurology were arguing over who should pay for the disc. (that’s right, not the scan, but the blank cd)

  8. Senator Emil Jones, Jr.
    14th District Senate Office
    507 West 111th Street
    Chicago, Illinois 60628

    Office Phone: (773) 995-7748

    Springfield Capitol Office:
    Room 327
    Capitol Building
    Springfield, Illinois 62706

    Office Phone: (217) 782-2728

  9. I just heard the Illinois Senate and House are out of session till November 12, 2008!!!

    Tell me this ain’t so!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. Maybe we should put together some sort of call campaign on this gentleman’s office, if he is in fact the delay?

  11. iamseppy // August 5, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Maybe we should put together some sort of call campaign on this gentleman’s office, if he is in fact the delay?
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    Sounds like a GREAT idea, Seppy! Some Press on this issue would be wonderful also!

  12. NEW YORK – Oil prices kept falling Tuesday, sinking as low as $118 a barrel on growing concerns that a U.S. economic slowdown and high energy costs are curbing consumer demand for gasoline and other petroleum products.

  13. “Governor Rod Blagojevich on Monday signed into law legislation that lets a judge order abusers to wear a GPS tracking device if they’ve violated a restraining order. Anti-domestic violence advocates hope the devices will help save lives because victims will be alerted when their offenders are near.”
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    How unfortunate the Governor did not also have the Hearsay Bill in front of him to sign also!

  14. Its my understanding, the DA can arrest any time he feels there’s enough evidence. He does not have to wait for the GJ to finish.

  15. grandam // August 5, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Its my understanding, the DA can arrest any time he feels there’s enough evidence. He does not have to wait for the GJ to finish.
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    My understanding is they have to have a GJ indictment in illinois to charge with murder.

  16. I just called the senator and left a message.
    They have a fax #. Maybe a massive fax/message campain?

  17. Fax to the “honorable” senator:
    DID YOU LOSE SOMETHING?
    SOMETHING SLIP YOUR MIND?
    HAVING TROUBLE KEEPING UP WITH THE PILE OF PAPERWORK ON YOUR DESK?
    DON’T FORGET ABOUT ME!
    sincerely, The Hearsay Bill

  18. grandam,

    Hopefully this will help. 🙂

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    THE GRAND JURY
    The Constitution and laws of Illinois provide that no person shall be brought to trial for a crime punishable by death or by imprisonment in the penitentiary unless either the initial charge has been brought by indictment of a grand jury or the person has been given a prompt preliminary hearing and a judge has found probable cause.

    In cases presented to the grand jury, the grand jury has a dual function. It determines that a person should be charged or prosecuted for a criminal act when it finds there is probable cause to believe the person has committed an offense. At the same time, it protects the innocent from unfounded accusation of crime and from the trouble, expense, and anxiety of a trial when there is, in fact, insufficient evidence to believe the accused is guilty of any criminal offense. The grand jury thus stands between the citizen and the State, pledged to bring before the Court, to answer to a charge of having committed a crime, persons against whom there is evidence of guilt and to prevent the unjust indictment of those who are accused of crime without sufficient evidence or because of private motives or popular feelings.

  19. Does anyone know if Brodsky is certified in the State of Illinois to be lead counsel in a death penalty case?

  20. cheenaproductions // August 5, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Fax to the “honorable” senator:
    DID YOU LOSE SOMETHING?
    SOMETHING SLIP YOUR MIND?
    HAVING TROUBLE KEEPING UP WITH THE PILE OF PAPERWORK ON YOUR DESK?
    DON’T FORGET ABOUT ME!
    sincerely, The Hearsay Bill
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    PERFECT!! I like this one and will be sending this in as mine if that is okay with you… may I?

  21. The most serious criminal charge, murder, can carry the risk of the most serious of all penalties: death. The state of Illinois believes these matters need to be handled with great care. They will not allow just any lawyer to provide criminal defense when capital punishment is involved. Only attorneys who have met the strict qualifications to be admitted to the capital litigation bar are certified to handle these matters.

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    I can find no record that Brodsky has been certified by the illinois supreme court to be lead counsel in a death penalty case.

  22. iknoweverythinglol. you are awesome!
    wonder if JB even knows he has to be certified.
    lol, lol chuckle ,chuckle :p

  23. A friend of mine just got off the phone with the Speaker of the house. They talked for awhile. Anyway, the bill still is in the house but will be given to the Governor on August 10th 2008. They are still incorporating all the amendments and have 30 days to do so. They are almost done and will hand over the bill to the Governors Desk on August 10th, so that means that Bill can still be signed this month. I hope this cleared up anything that Seppy and them did not cover.

  24. John Paul Carroll, Drew’s other attorney, is listed on that list. He would be registered to represent Drew as lead counsel, if charged with murder.

    Attorney Profile
    John Paul Carroll received his Juris Doctor from the John Marshall Law School in Chicago while working as a detective in the Chicago Police Department in the elite Homicide/ Sex unit.

    His work with the Chicago Police Department began as a uniformed officer and resulted in a promotion to detective after just two years. Initially assigned to the Intelligence Section, Mr. Carroll was soon loaned out to the federal Drug Enforcement Administration where he served as an undercover narcotics agent making buys of cocaine and heroin in Illinois, Wisconsin and Indiana.

    After finishing his law degree, Mr. Carroll took a leave of absence from the police department and accepted a position as a Cook County Assistant State’s attorney, prosecuting criminals in Chicago. Ultimately he formed his own law firm specializing in criminal defense and major personal injury cases. In Connecticut, while his wife completed her medical residency at Yale, he was appointed by the State to be a Special Public Defender for serious felony cases.

    In seven of his personal injury cases he secured settlements in excess of 1 million dollars. His largest court award was for $12,000,000, awarded in a personal injury case.

    He holds a private detective license in Illinois (#115-000883) and is a member of the Bar in Illinois and Connecticut. He has both U.S. and Irish citizenship, and is conversant in Spanish.

  25. Carroll, John Paul:

    -Admitted to Illinois Bar 1976
    Practiced law in Chicago & Naperville

    -Chicago Police Officer from 1970 – 1986 Including time as a Homicide detective.

    -Currently Registered with the State of Illinois as a Private Investigator.

    -Convicted of filing false Federal tax returns in 1982-84.
    A Federal Court sentenced him to 60 days in prison and 3 years probation.

    -Carroll was suspended from practicing law before a Federal bench for 2 years & in Illinois for 18 months.

    http://www.senatorcullerton.com/Press/pre%202006/Chicago%20Daily%20Law%20Bulletin%20–%20Capital%20litigation%20law%20signed.pdf

  26. Ok Tigger also added this:

    BTW the people in Senate President Jones office were very helpful and nice. I explained to them I was from out of state and I wanted the information to post on a blogg that I was administrator of and they thanked me profoundly for calling them and not posting rumors.

    If anyone else should call the Gov office, and I suggest you start doing that, tell them to expect the bill on or before Aug 10th and you would appreciate it being brought to his immediate attention. You must have SB2718 number when you call. They do not know what you are referring to when you say hearsay bill

  27. nysue // August 5, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    John Paul Carroll, Drew’s other attorney, is listed on that list. He would be registered to represent Drew as lead counsel, if charged with murder.

    Attorney Profile
    John Paul Carroll received his Juris Doctor from the John Marshall Law School in Chicago while working as a detective in the Chicago Police Department in the elite Homicide/ Sex unit.

    His work with the Chicago Police Department began as a uniformed officer and resulted in a promotion to detective after just two years. Initially assigned to the Intelligence Section, Mr. Carroll was soon loaned out to the federal Drug Enforcement Administration where he served as an undercover narcotics agent making buys of cocaine and heroin in Illinois, Wisconsin and Indiana.

    After finishing his law degree, Mr. Carroll took a leave of absence from the police department and accepted a position as a Cook County Assistant State’s attorney, prosecuting criminals in Chicago. Ultimately he formed his own law firm specializing in criminal defense and major personal injury cases. In Connecticut, while his wife completed her medical residency at Yale, he was appointed by the State to be a Special Public Defender for serious felony cases.

    In seven of his personal injury cases he secured settlements in excess of 1 million dollars. His largest court award was for $12,000,000, awarded in a personal injury case.

    He holds a private detective license in Illinois (#115-000883) and is a member of the Bar in Illinois and Connecticut. He has both U.S. and Irish citizenship, and is conversant in Spanish.
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    Takes me back to Brodsky, is all he really for is to get the book deals going?

  28. Questions4you:

    A friend of mine just got off the phone with the Speaker of the house. They talked for awhile. Anyway, the bill still is in the house but will be given to the Governor on August 10th 2008. They are still incorporating all the amendments and have 30 days to do so. They are almost done and will hand over the bill to the Governors Desk on August 10th, so that means that Bill can still be signed this month. I hope this cleared up anything that Seppy and them did not cover.
    ____________

    This is the same information that I posted here yesterday. In fact, this same post was copied and pasted by nysue over to the forum you normally post on. Didn’t believe me? Read below:

    cleo612 // August 4, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    This information is all according to a telephone call placed to the Senate President’s office on July 17th. I do not have a direct dial phone number; I was transferred numerous times from the main phone number that had been posted on all of the forums by Seppy and others.

    The Hearsay Bill passed the House, then was forwarded back to the Senate which passed the Bill on July 10th.

    Once the Bill is passed by the House and the Senate, it goes to either the House President’s office or the Senate President’s office, depending on which body of government finalized and held the last vote on the Bill.

    Since the Senate was the last governing body to vote upon this Bill, it was forwarded to the Senate President’s office.

    As of July 17th, the Bill was still in the Senate President’s office.

    According to the Senate President’s office, they have 30 days from the date it is received in their office within which to send the Bill to the Governor’s office.

    This would put August 10th as the latest possible date that the Senate President’s office has by law to forward the Bill (this date was given to me by the Senate President’s office).

    From the date that the Governor receives the Bill on his desk, he has 60 days within which to sign the Bill into law or veto it.

    Once he signs the Bill into law, it becomes immediately effective.

    If he fails to do anything at all with the Bill within those 60 days, on the 61st day the Bill would automatically become law.

  29. “This is the same information that I posted here yesterday. In fact, this same post was copied and pasted by nysue over to the forum you normally post on. ”

    Cleo, it was posted giving you credit for the information. Thank You!

  30. nysue:

    Yes, I was told that you had given me credit for the post when you re-posted it on that other forum. I thank you for doing so.

  31. cleo612 // August 5, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Questions4you:

    A friend of mine just got off the phone with the Speaker of the house. They talked for awhile. Anyway, the bill still is in the house but will be given to the Governor on August 10th 2008. They are still incorporating all the amendments and have 30 days to do so. They are almost done and will hand over the bill to the Governors Desk on August 10th, so that means that Bill can still be signed this month. I hope this cleared up anything that Seppy and them did not cover.
    ____________

    This is the same information that I posted here yesterday. In fact, this same post was copied and pasted by nysue over to the forum you normally post on. Didn’t believe me? Read below:

    cleo612 // August 4, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    This information is all according to a telephone call placed to the Senate President’s office on July 17th. I do not have a direct dial phone number; I was transferred numerous times from the main phone number that had been posted on all of the forums by Seppy and others.

    The Hearsay Bill passed the House, then was forwarded back to the Senate which passed the Bill on July 10th.

    Once the Bill is passed by the House and the Senate, it goes to either the House President’s office or the Senate President’s office, depending on which body of government finalized and held the last vote on the Bill.

    Since the Senate was the last governing body to vote upon this Bill, it was forwarded to the Senate President’s office.

    As of July 17th, the Bill was still in the Senate President’s office.

    According to the Senate President’s office, they have 30 days from the date it is received in their office within which to send the Bill to the Governor’s office.

    This would put August 10th as the latest possible date that the Senate President’s office has by law to forward the Bill (this date was given to me by the Senate President’s office).

    From the date that the Governor receives the Bill on his desk, he has 60 days within which to sign the Bill into law or veto it.

    Once he signs the Bill into law, it becomes immediately effective.

    If he fails to do anything at all with the Bill within those 60 days, on the 61st day the Bill would automatically become law.

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    What are you talking about?? These are not the same post, each one of them says something different about where the bill is.

  32. cleo612 // August 5, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    It is in the Senate President’s office.

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    That is what you said yesterday but that is not what NYsue is saying.

  33. “That is what you said yesterday but that is not what NYsue is saying.”
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    What did I say that was different??

  34. Has anyone heard from Rescue since last night? I’m not sure where she lives but she said it was dark shortly after I did (and that was when the tornado sirens went off). I don’t see a post after 7:30 or so.

  35. IKELOL:

    I was not referring to what nysue had posted; I only brought nysue into it to point out to questions4you that nysue had already posted the information at that other forum.

    Questions4you stated that her friend had called and received the same information that I posted yesterday–only she (questions4you) stated it in 2 different posts.

  36. Ok here is what one of you said:

    As of July 17th, the Bill was still in the Senate President’s office.

    Here is what the other one said:

    the bill still is in the house but will be given to the Governor on August 10th 2008

  37. Maybe the House does the Senate Prez’s secretarial work, lol.

    Technically I believe the Senate President’s office has the ball.

    Bottom line, August 10.

  38. IKELOL,

    The Bill is in the Senate President’s office just as I stated yesterday and reiterated today.

    Questions4you states in her second post that her “friend” spoke to the Senate President’s office.

    My assumption is that questions4you misspoke when she stated that the friend hadspoken to the Speaker of the House, since the House was NOT the last governing body to vote on the Bill. It was the Senate that had the last vote.

    Does this really matter? It all shows that the Bill is right where I said it is–in the Senate President’s office.

    I am not sure what point you are trying to make, or what your question really is. I would like to clear it up for you since it seems to hold importance to you, and I do not wish for there to be any confusion or uncertainty, and certainly not based upon anything which I might have posted.

    Maybe this will help–the only reason that I spoke up again today after questions4you posted that her friend had made a phone call to find out the status of the Bill is this:

    I had already posted the information yesterday and it appeared to me (and still does) that questions4you and her friend did not believe what I had said yesterday–not that I expect everyone to believe everything that I have to say, mind you, but I certainly would not tarnish my own name and credibility by posting something related to this very hot topic that I did not absolutely know for certain was a fact–I was the one who made the phone call on July 17th, so I knew that what I had posted was what I was told by the Senate President’s office.

    Apparently, either questions4you and her friend did not see my post that nysue copied and pasted to that other forum, or they did not believe me.

    That was my issue.

    Does that help to clear things up a little? 🙂

  39. Facs – Glad you are safe. Looks like y’all had some pretty bad storms.

    Edouard is headed in my direction, hopefully all he will bring us is much needed rain, and cooler weather.

    I hope Rescue is ok. For that matter, I hope everyone stays safe wherever you may be!

  40. Hey Harley – Well, I guess I need to own up the fact that I am addicted to the Internet. It was rough going there for a while. You can only play Scrabble by candlelight for so long!

    Last night we ended up taking a walk by flashlight and seeing an amazing show of lightning (and being scolded for walking around on wet streets among downed wires).

    At least this morning I was distracted by extricating branches from the downed wires in my yard, and dragging off the pieces once they were sawn down to a managable size, and waiting for verizon and the cable people. The only real casualty was a potted plant that was sent flying when a branch hit the deck.

    Overall, my town was lucky. The biggest problem here is still outages. I hope everyone else has similar good luck!

    And if I have caught up here, it looks like the thing to remember about the Hearsay Law now is August 10?

  41. Well Facs, I guess admitting you have a problem is the first step! 😀 Just kidding, I am too! Glad to hear you had minimal damage.

    I had a thought about the hearsay Law. It seemed like the GPS Law that the governor signed yesterday was a big deal. Having the family of that lady (her name escapes me), there and photos, and all. I heard a while ago that the hearsay law was to be called “The Stacy/Kathleen” Law. Maybe the delay to sign is to be sure that their families can be present for a similar presentation?

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