Your Thread – August 13

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178 thoughts on “Your Thread – August 13

  1. Good morning everyone.

    Well, tomorrow is GJ day and let’s just pray that something good comes out of it. I am thinking that it is about time to wind it up.

  2. Hi gurly – I would think they’ve run out of GJ witnesses, but who knows. Gatehouse hasn’t reported on any new ones regarding Stacy, but, maybe they’re still hearing testimony on Kathleen’s murder. No one appeared last week, at least that they saw.

    I blogged a few times with Lenny last night, and what he says about the kids and their relationship with their father doesn’t sound pleasant at all. It’s very sad, actually. Little Lacy was talking to Paula one day about her mom, and when her father walked in the room, even as little as she is, she stopped talking about her immediately. OMG is all I have to say.

  3. 😀

    Seems I hit a sore spot. Just having a little fun with everyone. Don’t take it personally … unless the shoe fits. 😉

  4. Rescue- I read the same thing on Len’s blog and it just broke my heart. I can’t even imagine what those poor children are going through. And we all know that their father will be going away…Bless those children. They should be able to talk about their mother with someone that loved their mother. This is just so heart wrenching to think of the environment that they are living in.

  5. You know what I can’t quite understand. Of course there are many things that I don’t understand. But, it seemed to be fine that Mom went on vacation and the little children, according to Drew, were okay with that but yet Joel and Drew made such a big full about the impact that Lenny and Paula had on these children in their short time of dealing with them.

  6. This kids’ situation is so heartbreaking. Finally, someone told it like it really is in that house, and it doesn’t appear that those kids are in a situation they want to be in. They’re merely house guests of Drew Peterson. Appears no family comes around either. Not Drew’s parents, nor his brother and SIL. What do they all know that we may not?

    But, the poor kids are stuck there.

  7. I didn’t read the comments at Ashley’s but I saw some of what Len said copied elsewhere. This is the one that got to me:

    “not that am a doctor but i think Tom & Kris will be fine once they are away from him ….poor tom already keeps to himself in that house – he never wants to go around Drew and he is a great kid — we miss all 4 of them but I have to keep thinking that this was all done for them and to try and not be sad which dont really help”

  8. The thing that does make sense to me now is that they have finally shut up. It is too bad for them that they didn’t figure that out a long time ago.

    After the M & J show they got very very quiet. They really made them look like the fools that they are .

  9. Noway – to the corner you go! LOL. I do hope today doesn’t become another cross-forum bashfest. I just mentally check out when that happens. Can’t everyone just stay in the forums that they like and leave the ones they don’t alone? I mean – can’t we all just get along???

  10. gurly – one reason may be that they were notified about the tapes. Brodsky throwing out insults, well and Peterson too, at people who are not sympathetic to them isn’t going to work anymore if there’s credible evidence against 666. They absolutely should shut up. What do they have to gain talking about those tapes if there’s damaging talk on them? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

  11. I am sure that they have probably gotten the confirmation on the “overhears” by now also. I am sure now they are trying to figure out what they said during those 7 months. I am sure that I could not remember everything that I have said for the past 7 months.

  12. They just keep thinking that if they tear down Len and Paula that Drew will look so much better than them. I don’t care what sort of history that Len and Paula have it does not change what is on the tapes. LE knew exactly what they were dealing with when they chose to have L & P do the taping.

  13. Can Joel be lead counsel if his co-counsel is authorized (not the right word but can’t think of what it should be) to handle capital litigation cases?

    Or does Joel himself need to be on the list?

  14. gurlygurl – I had brought that same question up on another forum. I don’t get it myself. It is basically just a defense team tactic I guess.

    However, I’m with you 100%. He seemed to portray his kids as either being unaware or totally bored of everything surrounding Stacy’s disappearance – yet the LE are psychologically torturing the kids.

    Drew needs to step back and look at his own actions. He has two teens yet doesn’t get the fact that they WILL be teased at school about his little escapades with the ladies, saying their step-mom PMSed all the time, and is now out dancing and trying to get male attention.

    He needs to go back to basics and take care of the kids, put out pleas for Stacy to return (as one would do if they really believed their wife left on her own), stop going out every week (once a month is more like what most single parents get), and stop letting strangers around his children. JMO.

  15. I wonder if the fiasco on the Mike and Juliet show finally did it for them. When I think of Drew sandwiched between his two nervous lawyers – the three of them fidgeting, stuttering, slinging insults and having their mikes cut off, how could that be good for anyone’s case?

  16. noway-I have seen people posting on that topic and they have said that Joel could not but I do not know if that is a fact

  17. gurlygurl // August 13, 2008 at 10:34 am

    noway-I have seen people posting on that topic and they have said that Joel could not but I do not know if that is a fact
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    I just wondered what the point of the list was … but Drew’s other lawyer, John Carroll is on there (if he is the same Carroll) and Joel said that Andrew Abood is also able to handle (what IS the word I want here?? ) capital litigation cases.

  18. During the M & J show I had never seen Joel fidget and jump around so much. And of course let us not forget, pick his nose on national TV. He felt so out of control he just could not stand it. And then the best part was when Joel said “you will have to ask Len” and they said okay we will do that “here is Len from Bolingbrook” That is when Joel really lost it. He and Drew thought they had the whole stage that day. Too funny!

  19. Well, I got the idea from Lenny last night that the defense knows about the “overhears,” so I guess that means they received formal notice. That’s serious business, not something to be playing around with by their silly bashing.

    I just wonder what happens now with those tapes. Does Brodsky get transcripts, or copies to listen to now, or do they have to wait until he’s charged? Hmmm.

  20. I know that Joel has supposedly said that he is going to “drive the bus” but Joel says a lot of things that are not true so only time will tell I guess.

  21. gurly – yeah, that was funny, especially when Abood could yell loud enough asking why Len was being “given a forum.” You know that was a total surprise, one they weren’t prepared for. Oh, well, they need the “surprise” practice for what’s coming.

  22. Noway. Here is the rule:

    http://www.state.il.us/court/supremecourt/Rules/Art_VII/artVII.htm#Rule714

    Rule 714. Capital Litigation Trial Bar

    Lead Counsel–Qualifications

    (1) Be a member in good standing of the Illinois Bar or be admitted to the practice pro hac vice.

    (2) Be an experienced and active trial practitioner with at least five years of criminal litigation experience.

    (3) Have substantial familiarity with the ethics, practice, procedure and rules of the trial and reviewing courts of the State of Illinois.

    (4) Have prior experience as lead or co-counsel in no fewer than eight felony jury trials which were tried to completion, at least two of which were murder prosecutions; and either

    (i) have completed at least 12 hours of training in the preparation and trial of capital cases in a course approved by the Illinois Supreme Court, within two years prior to making application for admission; or

    (ii) have substantial familiarity with and extensive experience in the use of expert witnesses, and forensic and medical evidence including, but not limited to, mental health, pathology and DNA profiling evidence.

  23. I don’t believe that they even tell him who did the taping. L & P have let him know but..who knows, maybe there were other people doing the same thing that have not let him know. He better be careful is all I can say. He should not put it past any of his so called friends.

  24. rescueapet // August 13, 2008 at 10:42 am

    I just wonder what happens now with those tapes. Does Brodsky get transcripts, or copies to listen to now, or do they have to wait until he’s charged? Hmmm.
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    My understanding from what Jeanine Pirro said was that they receive a letter … nothing about transcripts or copies.

    Imagine trying to remember everything you said for the last 7 months in the presence of two people you saw on a regular basis!

    This just talks about notification …

    http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs9-wrtp.htm

    However, once a legal wiretap has been discontinued, the court must notify the tapped party that the wiretapping has taken place. Normally, this notice must occur within 90 days of the wiretap termination. (18 USC 2518(8)(d))

  25. Of course, Drew would have to be charged with a capital offense before the question of Joel’s qualification became an issue.

    Noway, you might try posting the rules that thinkaboutit gave us at SYM and see if you can get Joel to answer as to his qualifications.

    Or we could just wait and see if Drew is ever charged and see who acts as lead counsel. Then the proof will be in the pudding.

  26. (2) Be an experienced and active trial practitioner with at least five years of criminal litigation experience.

    (4) Have prior experience as lead or co-counsel in no fewer than eight felony jury trials which were tried to completion, at least two of which were murder prosecutions; and either
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    Am I correct that this is Brodsky’s FIRST criminal trial?

    And based on the rules above in thinkaboutit2’s post … it sure doesn’t look like he can be.

  27. Hi everyone

    I apologize for slipping this in without reading the thread, but it is such a beautiful example of the triumph of truth, wisdom and compassion that I just wanted to share. 🙂

    I’ll go back and read now.

  28. One more important point from that site in section 701:

    When considering representation of a defendant charged with first degree murder, an attorney who is not a member of the Capital Litigation Trial Bar (or does not have proper certification) should immediately determine whether the defendant may be subject to the death penalty. The attorney should ascertain, for example, whether the defendant has been denied bail because the offense is capital, or whether the charges filed or information available through reasonable investigation suggest that one of the statutory aggravating factors of section 9-1(b) of the Criminal Code of 1961 (720 ILCS 5/9-1(b)) may apply. IF ANY INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THE ATTORNEY SUGGESTS THE CASE IS POTENTIALLY CAPITAL, THE ATTORNEY SHOULD DECLINE TO PROVIDE REPRESENTATION FOR THE DEFENDANT. An agreement to provide limited representation in a potentially capital case should be entered into only after careful consideration of the complex practical, legal, and ethical issues involved, and full disclosure of the attorney’s inability to provide representation in a capital case.

    (See sentence that I put in ALL CAPS.)

    However, in a paragraph before that it states:

    An attorney who is not properly certified under Rule 714 should never agree to provide representation for a defendant in a potentially capital case on the assumption that the State will not seek the death penalty, or that admission to the Capital Litigation Trial Bar or proper certification WILL BE OBTAINED AFTER ACCEPTING THE AGREEMENT.

    So maybe that means that Joel would make sure he qualified in time?? IDK. I do know that right now he is not on the official roster which is dated July 2008.

    http://www.state.il.us/court/supremecourt/Cap_Lit/TrialBarRosters.pdf

  29. Rescue, I would imagine that the tapes would only need to be provided once charges had been brought and they had been admitted into evidence. Even then, I wonder if only relevant snippets might have to be provided to the defense – as in, only the parts that the prosecution are going to use.

    Not sure about that…

  30. If there is more that one person or group doing the taping do they have to send separate notifications or would one notification suffice. I just feel strongly that deals are made a lot of times and many of Drew’s friends could use a little help from LE if you know what I mean.

  31. FACS – We’ve posted questions about this on SYM already but haven’t been told anything by Joel other than that he was going to be lead counsel. He hasn’t posted on the site in quite a while – I don’t think he has posted there since just after the news about the overhears broke.

  32. Well, it is a beautiful day today so I am going to go enjoy it.

    Everyone have a great day and I will BBL. Have to enjoy the nice weather while we have it.

    Ta Ta

  33. So maybe that means that Joel would make sure he qualified in time?? IDK. I do know that right now he is not on the official roster which is dated July 2008.

    *******************************

    So, I wonder in what areas he’s deficient? I guess it’s not really ‘funny’ but the thought of him scrambling to get two murder trials with a jury under his belt, is kind of…funny!

  34. Am I correct that this is Brodsky’s FIRST criminal trial?
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    He’s been a defense attorney for quite a while, so I don’t think that is true. His bio on his web site says this:

    “Since 1987, he has concentrated his practice in the areas of criminal defense and complex commercial litigation. Mr. Brodsky has tried numerous felony and misdemeanor criminal cases before both juries and bench.

  35. See ya, gurly.

    Facs – I don’t know about only getting snippets. The defense HAS to get exculpatory evidence too, so I would think everything has to be included. Not just what the prosecution wants to use. Ya think?

  36. Thanks, Facs … I realized my posting error just before you found that information.

    And the thought of being the client on the end of his “scrambling around to get two murder trials” would be pretty scary.

  37. Rescue, you’re right that they would get it all … but I think it would only be after actual charges were filed.

  38. Len said last night that once Brodsky came over to Peterson’s house on HIS Harley. What kind of defense attorney schmoozes with his client like it’s a sorority? It’s the craziest client/attorney relationship I’ve ever seen, especially since it’s about a suspect in two deaths.

  39. rescueapet // August 13, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Facs – I don’t know about only getting snippets. The defense HAS to get exculpatory evidence too, so I would think everything has to be included. Not just what the prosecution wants to use. Ya think?
    ********************************

    Right, I didn’t even think about that. Here’s what makes me wonder though. The prosecution gathered that evidence, so…would the defense really have a right to every minute of the tapes…or just access to what was going to be presented? I’m not sure how that works.

  40. Facs – but the defense has a right to know what all is on those tapes because the “unknown” parts may be helpful to them. It can’t be left up to the prosecution to interpret what is and is not helpful to the defense.

    They’ve been so quiet, that maybe they have “others” that were wired to worry about too. Although, it doesn’t appear that anyone is left in 666’s family or friends circle. Robinson is the only one left, and, of course, Stephen.

  41. I think they would be entitled to it all … but would probably try to have some of it disallowed in court?

    I’m thinking that the prosecution would use some of the overhears and the defense other parts (remember, Drew says that these conversations are going to PROVE his innocence).

    😉

  42. rescueapet // August 13, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Len said last night that once Brodsky came over to Peterson’s house on HIS Harley. What kind of defense attorney schmoozes with his client like it’s a sorority? It’s the craziest client/attorney relationship I’ve ever seen, especially since it’s about a suspect in two deaths.
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    I wouldn’t be suprised if, once charges were brought, Joel went off to write his book, and Drew gets himself a real lawyer.

    But then…what was the point of the months of shenanigans?

  43. think – so, what’s the bottom line? Did Brodsky contribute to the research and submission of case law, or did he actually argue the case at the Appellate Court level?

  44. It looks like the Jason Tomes’ appeal case is the only “People vs.” case that Joel lists on his website. All the others are PersonA/CompanyA vs. PersonB/CompanyB.

    I’m inclined to think that murder cases are all People vs.

    Here is the list from his website that is also on the Martindale website:

    http://www.martindale.com/Joel-A-Brodsky/923938-lawyer.htm

    Reported Cases: Collins v. St. Jude Temple No. 1, 157 Ill. App. 3d 708, 510 N.E.2d 979 (1987); LaSalle National Bank v. Hadi Kahn, 191 Ill. App. 3d 41, 547 N.E.2d 472 (1989); Joseph Bucci v. Paul Rustin, 227 Ill. App. 3d 779, 592 N.E.2d 297 (1992); Candice Company v. Ricketts, 281 Ill. App. 3d 359, 666 N.E.2d 722 (1996); People v. Jason Tomes, 284 Ill. App. 3d 514, 672 N.E.2d 289 (1996); Volpert v. Ellis, 110 F.3d 494 (1997); In the Matter of: Leslie Boomgarden, 780 F.2d 657 (1985); Ngan Moy v. Winsen Ng and Shirley Wong, 371 Ill.App.3d 957, 864 N.E.2d 752 (2007).

  45. Facs, you asked, “But then…what was the point of the months of shenanigans?” … and I think the answer is “to have something to put in the book” …

  46. Rumor mill (I should know better) on Len’s blog says Sheriff’s office is going to be holding a news conference, apparently at noon on Fox.

    I’ll believe it when I see it.

  47. rescueapet // August 13, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Len said last night that once Brodsky came over to Peterson’s house on HIS Harley. What kind of defense attorney schmoozes with his client like it’s a sorority? It’s the craziest client/attorney relationship I’ve ever seen, especially since it’s about a suspect in two deaths.

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    LOL. I read that too, and had to read again…I think he was answering two questions at once and it was Mike Robinson on the bike. I think. LOL…..first gangsta joel (“gun thing went down”) now biker joel. LOL

  48. Rescue – I’m not sure what the bottom line is. I’m just posting things that I am finding while looking more into this.

  49. LOL. I think in my next life I will be a criminal investigator.

    (Note: My work is soooo dead right now that I need to do this stuff to keep my troubleshooting skills in tact.)

  50. rescueapet // August 13, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Rumor mill (I should know better) on Len’s blog says Sheriff’s office is going to be holding a news conference, apparently at noon on Fox.

    I’ll believe it when I see it.
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    Is this about Caylee?

  51. Sorry, rescue … I see your second post now. Thought I had hit Enter but found my post just sitting there … 🙄

  52. According to Fox – Sheriff’s office is holding a media roundtable in order to dispel rumors and offer a briefing on the status of the investigation.

    Evidently, every time the Anthony family holds an impromptu news conference in their driveway, the Seheriff’s office gets flooded with calls for verification.

  53. Yeah, sadly, the family is giving out their version of the “facts,” not what the evidence is necessarily showing. I don’t doubt that they want to protect their daughter, but they could do that quietly, with legal counsel, not the circus they’ve created. They are as dysfunctional as their conflicted daughter is. No wonder there is no rhyme or reason to what’s going on in that family. Casey didn’t get the way she is overnight, and it looks like her family gave in to her a long time ago. Unfortunately, Caylee paid the price.

  54. Does it seem that the Anthonys are running “their own” investigation? Or are they working *with* law enforcement and I’m just plain wrong?

  55. Carroll, John Paul:

    -Admitted to Illinois Bar 1976
    Practiced law in Chicago & Naperville

    -Chicago Police Officer from 1970 – 1986 Including time as a Homicide detective.

    -Currently Registered with the State of Illinois as a Private Investigator.

    -Convicted of filing false Federal tax returns in 1982-84.
    A Federal Court sentenced him to 60 days in prison and 3 years probation.

    -Carroll was suspended from practicing law before a Federal bench for 2 years & in Illinois for 18 months.
    Another one with a past!

  56. Oh, man, another one suspended for shady practices? Isn’t he the one that is related to Peterson, though? I thought I saw that somewhere, that he’s Peterson’s uncle.

  57. I find it very interesting that out of all of the lawyers in the United States Drew always has to be involved with lawyers that have a RECORD of some sort. I guess I should realize that any attorney that is worth anything would not touch Drew with a ten foot pole.

  58. I suppose it would be his same old story that they are lawyers that he picked up off of the streets and just trying to help them out.

  59. gurlygurl // August 13, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I suppose it would be his same old story that they are lawyers that he picked up off of the streets and just trying to help them out.
    ____________________
    😀
    Street rats are everywhere, I guess.

  60. For those following the Caylee Anthony case:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403181,00.html

    Police: Missing Florida Toddler May Have Died Accidentally

    Wednesday, August 13, 2008

    Missing Florida 3-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony might have died accidentally on or around June 16, according to police.

    Orange County detectives told FOX News on Wednesday that they’re looking at several theories as to what may have befallen the little girl, among them the accidental death hypothesis.

    But they cautioned that they weren’t excluding any explanations as to what may have happened to the child, who hasn’t been seen in almost two months.

    “Right now, we can’t say that’s exactly what happened,” Orange County Deputy Sheriff Carlos Padilla told FOX News on Wednesday. “We’re looking at all the possibilities, not just that theory.”

    Padilla also said that new charges against Caylee’s mom, 22-year-old Casey Marie Anthony, were possible, since family members and friends have accused her of theft and credit card fraud.

    Reports have surfaced that a friend said Anthony stole $700, and relatives allege she committed credit card fraud in her parents’ names.

    Additional charges could be filed “should victims of that want to press charges,” Padilla told FOX. “I’m not sure they want to. I know that one friend — I don’t know if she’s decided to press charges or if she’s still avoiding … that.”

    And detectives were zeroing in on Anthony’s cell phone records, particularly during a three-day period when they believe Caylee disappeared.

    Orange County police planned a 1 p.m. meeting with reporters Wednesday to clear up confusion in the case, they said.

    A day earlier Anthony’s brother and Caylee’s uncle, Lee Anthony, canceled another jail visit after a judge denied her lawyer’s latest request to lower her $500,000 bond.

    The family has been calling off planned jail visits with Anthony because the conversations are recorded. Orange County police have in recent weeks released a string of taped talks among family members.

    Anthony remains a person of interest in Caylee’s disappearance. She has not been named a suspect but has been charged with child neglect and lying to police.

    News emerged earlier this week that a team of psychic detectives is now assisting investigators in their search for Caylee.

    The results of DNA tests the FBI is conducting on the trunk of Anthony’s car, items from her closet and other evidence still have not been released.

    Anthony, her family and her lawyer have publicly maintained her innocence. She claims she left her daughter with a baby sitter and hasn’t seen her since.

    Click here to read more on this story from MyFOXOrlando.com.

  61. gurlygurl // August 13, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    I find it very interesting that out of all of the lawyers in the United States Drew always has to be involved with lawyers that have a RECORD of some sort. I guess I should realize that any attorney that is worth anything would not touch Drew with a ten foot pole.

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    Gurly – Just like the friends that he hangs with. Sometimes I wonder if that is done intentionally so that if something goes wrong he has someone to blame and people would believe him over the others due to their sordid backgrounds.

  62. A reasonable attorney wouldn’t be doing it for free. In Drew’s case it doesn’t count as “pro bono” LOL

  63. I certainly cannot imagine an attorney representing him for free. They do sometimes pick up pro bono cases but usually they are of a different nature or the defendant is very poor.

  64. I agree. I do think though that some lawyers also do take on interesting, high-profile pro bono cases with the hopes of adding it to their repertoire and to get publicity (which if the case goes well could give them future earnings far greater than they would have received from the case).

  65. Think & Bucket – Seems to me you’re both right.
    I think JB and DP share similarly pathetic delusions of grandeur. Their relationship has always looked to me like one where each side thinks they’re smarter and using the other for their benefit.

  66. I mean, can’t you just imagine Brodsky with scrapbook(s) of all his media appearances, clippings, etc? And DP, too? lol

  67. Wait – Are you telling me that I’m strange for having a scrapbook of myself??? I mean – mine is only 1/8 of a page so far but I’m figuring that I’ll go hogwild in the downhill slide of my life and fill it up!!

    🙂

  68. But, think…how can you compete? After all, do you really expect to have a clip of yourself picking your nose on national TV? We’ve gotta admit, Joel IS special! lmao! 🙂

  69. Good afternoon everyone! Glad that I missed the fireworks yesterday 😉

    Noway-you are a bad girl for peeking. I saw the front page and made a quick exit-learned my lesson the other day.

    Does anyone really think that when Drew goes on trial that JB will be his attorney? I don’t.

    Amanda-why did you ban me? Lol

  70. And we know Drew’s understanding of women is so deep and complete that he figures the notoriety of being a suspect in the murders of two of his wives is a huge draw to all those women cruising the net looking for his love!

    How much do these two pieces of pond scum deserve one another!?! It’s enough to make me believe in Fate.

  71. Hello Coffee! Welcome! In regards to the nose picking, you wouldn’t believe how many celebs/morons have done this in public and have been filmed. One would think JB-never mind 😉

  72. Maybe since Brodsky and Peterson went to Florida, they signed a Contract for their life stories in pictures. Probably why they’re so quiet now. They want to get paid for their goodies.

  73. OT – OMG, since there’s always so much bad news, I just have to share this!!! Do you remember that little 3 year old that was strapped into his stroller, being bushed by his grandpa, who got swept into Lake Michigan by the wind in April, submerged at least 15 minutes before he was rescued?

    Not only did he survive, but he’s “absolutely normal” and even learned a second language during his rehabilitation – English (he only knew Serbian, his parents’ language).

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1105713,081308lazara.article

    What a miracle. A fantastic, wonderful, blessed miracle!!!!!!

  74. Gatehouse – just wondering – even though there wasn’t anyone coming out of the GJ last week, are you still going to stake it out? Maybe it’s over?

  75. iknoweverythinglol // August 13, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Yep still pickin!!
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    LOL! Love the avatar 🙂

  76. I think Drew and Joel really shutup when Steve Petersons’s ex girlfriend went before the GJ. As soon as Drew got back from his vacation he deleted his yahoo account.

    I think that one shook them to the core.

  77. ikelol – Didn’t Len mention that there were certain people Drew was really worried about in regards to the GJ?

  78. Oh, IKELOL, I never gave that much thought. That’s a good point. Maybe a diamond in the rough when it comes to the Kathleen Savio matter.

    Facs – I’ll bet anything his sons, at least Kris, seem like they might be ones to give Peterson pause. They might not be so sympathetic to the green-eyed monster.

  79. Stacy was a young bride with a baby and her cop husband doesn’t come home after his shift? You know she woke up Steve and his GF in a state of panic.

    Now if the girlfriend was questioned about drews alibi for the night kathleen died and she lied that would explain why she had a lawyer go with her to the GJ whose speciality is murder cases because she could be charged.

  80. I’m not proud of this, but have to admit I am enjoying the idea that DP is really scared right now and feeling helpless and fearing no one can help him.

    I’m enjoying it because I think he worked hard to make sure his wives feel that way.

    Like I say, I’m not proud of these feelings, but I’m DEFINITELY having ’em.

  81. Well, at the time of her cohabitation with Stephen in the Drew house, she may have helped give him an alibi, but, then, Kathleen’s death was ruled an accident. She didn’t necessarily have to be of the mindset that he killed her, especially after the death investigation said otherwise. She just may have been schmoozed by Stephen into thinking that it’d be better to say Drew was at home in case there was any question about his whereabouts and the circumstances surrounding Kathleen’s death.

    Now that she knows differently, her covering for him has a whole ‘nother meaning, so that would make sense that she’d have legal counsel to make sure her rights are protected. It doesn’t appear that she took the Fifth, since she was in there over 4 hours, heh?

  82. IKELOL – I hd never heard that version of the story with Drew not coming home after his shift and her waking up Steve and his GF. Where has that been stated?? I’d love to see the link.

    I thought the story was that only Stacy gave an alibi. I hadn’t heard about Steve or his GF being an alibi.

  83. thinkaboutit2 // August 13, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    IKELOL – I hd never heard that version of the story with Drew not coming home after his shift and her waking up Steve and his GF. Where has that been stated?? I’d love to see the link.

    I thought the story was that only Stacy gave an alibi. I hadn’t heard about Steve or his GF being an alibi.
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    Just making some logical assumptions from the coroners report that refers to the phone calls that were never checked and the pastors statements about stacy trying to find Drew the night kathleen was killed.

  84. Hi Everyone!

    I am still hoping something happens BEFORE the kids go back to school. It is going to be stressful enough for them, starting a new school year – let alone possibly having new caregivers, or a new school for that matter.

  85. Hi harleyjoey.

    Lenny answered some questions about the kids on his blog yesterday. If you want, go through last night’s posts over there. The stuff about the kids is heartbreaking!

  86. Hmmm. It is just really interesting that I had never heard anyone make those assumptions in any of the forums I’ve visited.

    Was Drew on duty that night that Stacy allegedly was trying to call him in the middle of the night? I also didn’t remember the pastor saying anything about the calls – but my with all of the time, twists, and turns something could have left my memory banks.

  87. Hi Rescue… I did read some of that. Breaks my heart. The stuff about Lacy……. ARRGH! 👿

    I just can’t imagine how hard this has been for them.

    I hope the GF is ok. She must have been scared about all of this.

  88. thinkaboutit2 // August 13, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    IKELOL – Maybe you do know everything. Are you an insider?

    No, not at all!!!

  89. thinkaboutit- regarding the calls – do you mean you never heard that aspect of it before – that Stacy made a flurry of calls that night trying to find Drew?

  90. Now, here’s something interesting I never noticed before. Here is the transcript from Greta’s OTR, where Fuhrman talks about the phone records. Here’s one part:

    MARK FUHRMAN, FMR LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE, FOX ANALYST: Well, what’s interesting — I have a source that actually told me that when Stacy actually confided in the pastor, she made a statement that she woke up in the middle of the night, she could not find Drew. And this was the night before Kathleen is found in the bathtub. And she can’t find him in the house, and she starts calling incessantly, numerous times, to try to get a hold of him. He never answers.

    …and other:

    There’s another part where even a coroner’s juror member said to the witness, to the Illinois State Police witness, “Are they verifying the phone records, correct, that the calls were made?” The witness, “Yes, those take quite a while to get. So yes, we’ve got phone records coming from her phone, his phone, Steve’s phone and the rest of it. So yes, we still have to verify that.” And that was on May 1. You tell me it takes only two weeks and she died March 1. So…

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316707,00.html

  91. Steve’s phone.

    It’s not mentioned anywhere that I know of that he was even in the house at the time. Obviously, if he was and Stacy alerted him, he just may have made calls himself to his father’s phone. After all, how would he know where he was??????

  92. I had read somewhere that stever and his gf were living at drew and stacy’s home at the time of kathleen’s death. I believe it was just reported again when the GF went before the GJ.

  93. See and the fact that they were expecting Steve’s phone records make me think he had probably swore to the fact he had tried to call Kathleen to with no sucess. So the police talked to Steve about the alibi too and I bet they talked to his girlfriend at the same time.

  94. Yes, IKELOL, that is what I know of too from reading about it. They were living in the house at the time. I just don’t remember seeing anything that clearly indicates he was home when Kathleen’s murder occurred. He was 23, 24, at the time, and I’m not sure if he was on the OBPD yet. Prior to that, I believe he was going to school.

  95. So the police talked to Steve about the alibi too

    that should have been “so i bet the police talked to steve about the alibi too.”

  96. Well, since Steve’s name is clearly mentioned in this report from Fuhrman about the phone records, then, yes, they must have talked to him too. Even more curious now that his ex-gf went before the GJ and spent HOURS giving testimony. Whatever could she have been talking about???????????

  97. rescueapet // August 13, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    thinkaboutit- regarding the calls – do you mean you never heard that aspect of it before – that Stacy made a flurry of calls that night trying to find Drew?

    ****

    No – I had heard about that. I hadn’t heard that Drew didn’t come home from his night shift and that Stacy awoke Steve and his GF.

    I didn’t recall the pastor saying anything about the phone calls either – but I forgot about the Fuhrman report on Greta. Pastor Schori didn’t say anything about the phone calls when he was on Greta himself.

  98. rescueapet // August 13, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Yes, IKELOL, that is what I know of too from reading about it. They were living in the house at the time. I just don’t remember seeing anything that clearly indicates he was home when Kathleen’s murder occurred. He was 23, 24, at the time, and I’m not sure if he was on the OBPD yet. Prior to that, I believe he was going to school.

    ****

    Rescue – that was what I was thinking too. I thought they had lived there but didn’t know they were there the particular night in question. The media hasn’t focused on them as Drew’s alibis. I always thought Stacy was the only alibi.

    It’s posible that the media stated that Stacy was his alibi – and Iread the word ONLY in there like a silent vowel. 🙂

  99. iknoweverythinglol // August 13, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    thinkaboutit2 // August 13, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    IKELOL – Maybe you do know everything. Are you an insider?

    No, not at all!!!

    ****

    You know on another forum someone said that you are Joel Brodsky. After all of the Ashley stuff I’ve realized that you never know. 😉

  100. think – up until when I re-read that Fuhrman transcript from OTR, I didn’t give a second thought to “Steve” Peterson; his phone records. Never gave any thought to his ex gf being subpoenaed to testify before the GJ either.

  101. Ok, the reason I always thought Steve and his Gf were at home was Stacy did not call anyone else that I ever heard of when she could not find Drew. A young mother with a new baby plus 2 other kids would be freaking out and reaching out to someone for help in finding her hubby and I always thought that must have been Steve or his GF.

    Now with her testimony before the GJ and how long it was I am pretty sure she was awake.

    Also the source saying she yelled throughout the house.
    With her

  102. I vaguely remember the Fuhrman transcript because I initially thought that “Steve” was “Steve C.” … didn’t know at the time that Drew had a son named Steve too.

    I believe that Steve and the GF were living in the basement of the house and Yelton in the camper?

  103. If those phone records were subpoenaed and checked as they were supposed to be, according to Fuhrman’s logic:

    Now, what does this mean, Greta? Here’s what it means. If they would have written a search warrant and discovered that Stacy had called Drew’s phone three, four, five, six times the previous night — what’s interesting about that is Kathleen was killed at least 24 hours prior because of rigor mortis was absent. That takes 24 to 36 hours to completely go through the body.

    If that was the case and she had already established an alibi for Drew, they could confront her with this evidence. She has two choices. She can go down in the investigation or she could tell the truth. If she had the truth, Drew’s alibi goes south, the investigation is not an accident, it’s a homicide, and Stacy’d still be with us.

    …… if only someone had actually subpoenaed the phone records.

    Wonder (sorry, wonderwoman) who’s investigating the investigators in this whole mess?

  104. Noway, I know for a fact a few months before kathleen was killed yelton was living in his van at his fathers shop in downers grove. When kathleen was killed yeton was in jail.

  105. Yelton was in jail, Drew wasn’t in the house when he was supposed to be, phone records were reported as being subpoenaed but weren’t, a gash was on the back of Kathleen’s head but she was laying face down in the bathtub. Why doesn’t any of this make any sense?

  106. freedom08 // May 19, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Who lived with Drew and Stacy when Kathleen was killed.
    Wasn’t that when Yelton was living out back in the trailer/rv??
    yelton now that’s a real piece of work. wonder if they checked his phone records and Cassandra’s also for the weekend of Kathleen’s death.
    _______________
    I knew I’d read it … just Internet talk, I guess.

  107. freedom08 // May 19, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Who lived with Drew and Stacy when Kathleen was killed.
    Wasn’t that when Yelton was living out back in the trailer/rv??
    yelton now that’s a real piece of work. wonder if they checked his phone records and Cassandra’s also for the weekend of Kathleen’s death.

    ************
    See – this is what I have a hard time understanding. Cassandra and Yelton. What about Steve Peterson? He was dad’s happy house guest at the time. Why does Drew and his entourage always get the breaks?

  108. Has anyone thought that the reason that LE has allowed that particular blog to continue is that they have no intention on using anything that Lenny/Paula gathered on the tapes? I believe that if LE was going to ever use the information on the tapes, then they would have shut it down immediately. Thoughts?

  109. As much as I hate the carp on that blog, I do think they’ll be using the taped information.

    So … that’s 1 check in the DISAGREE column.

    😀

  110. ducky – I don’t think so. LE knew all about Lenny prior to them engaging him to do the recordings. I assume those recordings were turned in on a very regular basis, so they were in the hands of LE almost immediately. I don’t know the logistics of whether LE could hear the talking simultaneously or not, but, if so, what difference does it make what Lenny does? He was their ways and means of getting what they wanted. What Peterson said can’t be undone, so all Lenny has to do is say yes, I was wearing a wire during those conversations. Either Drew said what he did or not. In fact, if you think about it, Drew claims those tapes are going to clear his good name. Lenny is good enough for him to do that, so he’s good enough to send him down the river.

    And that’s JMHO.

  111. Oh, and one other thing. What if the phone was tapped and they caught Peterson chatting up a storm with Mike Robinson? Robinson is on trial for a felony. Would that change the fact that Peterson may have told him something incriminating while being recorded on a telephone because he was talking to a man charged with a felony or three? I think not. It’s the content of the recordings that make it what it is. Not the guy standing on his head or doing cartwheels while he’s wearing a wire. 🙂

  112. Ducky, remember that when he was being taped by Lenny and Paula, they were themselves.

    It was only on the Internet that they were Ashley and Katie. The blog information has been posted, and the rest turned over to LE. IMO

    I don’t think if we’ll ever see any more of the chats.

  113. Well-I see your points. Thank you. I am beating my head against the wall trying to make sense of it all. LOL Well, maybe I hit it too hard. 😉

  114. Wonder (sorry, wonderwoman) who’s investigating the investigators in this whole mess?

    Hey no problem. I don’t own the I wonder saying…I just think its a cute way to start a conversation with my nicname and all. So please don’t apologize…That goes for anyone…It’s okay….LOL

    You guys are AWESOME bloggers ! I am honored to be a member here in such great company. Well most of you anyway ( except the occassional troll here and there) 🙂

  115. I’m hoping all concern about whether Lenny’s and/or Paula’s post-wire-wearing choices would somehow affect this case will evaporate when we finally have the chance to read transcripts of Drew’s actual words from those tapes – introduced at trial.

  116. rescueapet // August 13, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Hi wonder. That was nice thought!

    Ducky – me too!!!!!!!!!
    —————————————————–
    Oh Rescue-we agree. lol 😉

    I think that the best wire-wearing persons would be Mike R. and Steve C. I would throw a party and would personally write letters to have all of their legal troubles be gone-what is battery when you can put a murderer behind bars?

  117. coffee-IMO, they get all the flack that people are giving because they decided to blog post-wire-wearing. I wish that it weren’t so, but they did it to themselves. If there are consequences to their blogging, only they could have avoided it.

    The tapes will be what they are and the effect that their blogging has done to their credibility or people’s opinion of their blogging will be just that-an opinion.

    Personally, I wish that we weren’t discussing post-wire-wearing blogging at all 😉

  118. You know, I look at it this way. While I may not agree with what goes on at Lenny’s blog, here’s the thing. They lived Drew Peterson. They heard things via Drew Peterson. They know Drew Peterson. They helped take care of Drew Peterson’s children, and they care for them. There’s no missing the fact that Lenny can’t stand the man. He wants to see him go away to prison for the murder of two women. Maybe even more than we can imagine. If he wore a wire to expose him and help get him charged for two murders, who on God’s green earth would he jeopardize it all by merely posting on a blog? Relax. If nothing else, maybe there was utterances on those tapes that sent LE down a path to evidence they may never have known about were it not for Lenny and Paula. 🙂

  119. I have always wondered if LE felt Drew was living in a fantasy world on the computer and wanted to push him off of it and into the real world to make a mistake.

  120. Ducky – I think we have similar, but somewhat differing feelings here. It seems to me that going public after the end of the ‘overhear operation’ (or whatever it’s called) was a perfect way to accomplish two distinct and important things: 1)Keep Lenny & Paula remain completely safe, and 2) Put the screws to Drew and rattle his cage.

    It really doesn’t bother me that Len & Paula aren’t perfect. I mean, if LE had wired The Church Lady, would DP have shared anything?

  121. rescueapet // August 13, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    You know, I look at it this way. While I may not agree with what goes on at Lenny’s blog, here’s the thing. They lived Drew Peterson. They heard things via Drew Peterson. They know Drew Peterson. They helped take care of Drew Peterson’s children, and they care for them. There’s no missing the fact that Lenny can’t stand the man. He wants to see him go away to prison for the murder of two women. Maybe even more than we can imagine. If he wore a wire to expose him and help get him charged for two murders, who on God’s green earth would he jeopardize it all by merely posting on a blog? Relax. If nothing else, maybe there was utterances on those tapes that sent LE down a path to evidence they may never have known about were it not for Lenny and Paula.
    ** ** ** ** ** ** **
    Rescue – I second that emotion!

  122. I’ve looked everywhere, and I don’t know why it’s impossible to find out if Stephen and his gf were home in the basement the night Drew came home in dark clothes, with a bag of women’s clothes, to throw in the washing machine. That 28 page Coroner’s report is nowhere to be found either. Anyone ever see it?

  123. Rescue-the 7 page original Coroner’s report? I’m not understanding which one that you are talking about. I have the 7 page one from 2004.

  124. You know that they said that LE kept checking the status of the taping and obviously felt that they were getting enough to keep authorizing it to continue.

  125. Ducky – sorry. I was doing something. What you have – is that the whole report? I think there’s one that’s 28 pages, but that must include the autopsy report too.

    Do you have a link for the 7 page report? Thanks Ducky.

  126. “Coroner reviews study of Cop’s 3rd Wife’s Death”
    “Today officials released a document relating to the death of his 3rd wife. It’s 28 page transcript of an inquest where Kathleen Savio’s family believes Drew Peterson got away with murder.

    I found this reference on acandyrose. That’s where I got the idea of a “28” page document.

  127. If his son was living in his home at the time of Kathleen’s death, was he already an officer at that time?

    if so, why not take his officer son with him to do the welfare check on Kathleen? why get her friend and his buddy to do it?

    I still want to know what the policy is in doing welfare checks especially for ex wives of the officer? There has to be some sort of conflict of interest there, if Cass is sent to a different department because of Drew’s ties to the BBPD, then what would be the protocol in entering the home of an ex wife you have a volatile relationship with?

    the thing that was pointed out by Thelma over on Len’s blog about the girlfriend of Steven that testified was that of all the witnesses Drew usually has something to say about them, except this one, he doesn’t say anything about Jennifer Schoon which is odd considering he’s had so much to say with every other witness, even his own mother was “senile” he had something to say after the boys testified, former friends and co workers but not the former girlfriend of his son who just happened to be living in his basement the night that Kathleen had been killed

  128. Rescue-I am not ignoring you-my linky went bye-bye. I’m still searching for you. I think that you are talking about something different.

  129. No one of us even thought about Stephen and his gf in connection with Kathleen’s murder. I never saw anything before today of a mention regarding Steve’s cell phone records from the night of her murder. I remember hearing that Steve and his gf lived with Drew and Stacy, but I didn’t give any thought to the idea that they had firsthand knowledge of Drew’s whereabouts the night Stacy found him missing from their bed.

    Just that it’s so bazaar none of us can find anything about that significant detail – were they home in the basement the night Drew was washing women’s clothes after he came back in from being missing, and did Stacy alert them that he was missing if they were home?

  130. “(Schoon) was the girlfriend of Steve Peterson and lived in the house with Drew Peterson and Steve Peterson during the time that Kathleen Savio’s body was discovered,” Glasgow said.

    https://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/grand-jury-update-2/
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    Gatehouse … do you know if Jennifer and/or Stephen were in the house that night?

    Was Stephen Peterson a police officer somewhere else before Oakbrook? I thought he’d been there about 3 years (maybe not quite).

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