Your Thread – August 19

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245 thoughts on “Your Thread – August 19

  1. Len said, Drew was trying to destroy some evidence at his home. I had a thought, maybe some of it was Kathleens nail clippings, along with clothes. Maybe ISP sent them for DNA .
    Kathleens family said she always had long finger nails.
    That would put old DP at the scene .
    Wonder if ISP have checked to see if and where she had her nails done.

  2. Good morning, grandam.

    I think the evidence was more than likely things involved with Stacy’s disappearance, since he started traipsing over to their house on a regular basis once Stacy disappeared. Maybe her passport, bikini, cell phone, things she supposedly took with her “when she ran off with another man.” There’s a missing laptop also. If he struck her and she was bleeding, he would’ve used towels or rags to clean up, so there’s probably a few things that it could be.

    Nail clippings, such as in Kathleen’s case, could have been destroyed in a moment, say burned. It was four years, so he had plenty of time over those years to get rid of something important. That’s why the discarded evidence, I believe, was more than likely things that pertained to Stacy.

  3. Only if Drew opened a “can of stupid” would he have kept evidence like that from Kathleen’s murder.

    IMO
    😀

  4. There was quite the cadre of Stacy and Kathleen supporters in attendence at that meeting. It was good to see such a turnout even if it was voted down.

  5. Does anyone really think that it’s going to change anything? If the politics involved takes control, nothing is going to be any different.

    In KS’s case, it was, IMHO, out-and-out sleaze that kept her case from being handled correctly. Not incompetence. It was methodical. Dirty politics, cover-ups.

    Now that everything is out in the open for now on, hopefully, this will not happen again.

  6. What kind of “people in charge” stand by and watch a woman’s death investigation become nothing but a shoddy three-ring circus? The woman’s sister testifies that she was in fear of her ex-husband and had written letters, etc., in her possession; initial police reports and pictures pointing to anything but an accidental death; extreme discord between the woman and her ex-husband; references to critical phone records being subpoenaed but weren’t.

    What is all that supposed to mean? Someone didn’t have their coffee that morning and wasn’t on their game? Yeah, right.

  7. Yeah – but you forget that Drew said that they ‘used to’ not get along and that things were much better at the time she was found dead.

    🙄

  8. It shouldn’t have mattered, Facs. How many times have we seen news stories of people described as wonderful, loving, caring spouses and parents, only to become cold-blooded murderers. Like Christopher Vaughn. Slipped under everybody’s radar.

    How many times have we seen legal analysts say the spouse is ALWAYS a suspect in a questionable death? In fact, they “kind of” investigated Drew Peterson and got his alibi down, but never bothered to substantiate it because they were too busy letting him off the hook and “burying” the information that pointed to him when it was still fresh!

  9. http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/1114118,6_1_NA19_CORONER_S1.article

    Will board nixes change to medical examiner

    August 19, 2008Recommend

    By STEWART WARREN The Herald News
    JOLIET — The push for a Will County medical examiner is dead.

    At least for now.

    During a special Monday meeting of the entire County Board, the members had a fourth chance to discuss changing the system of local death investigations from an elected coroner to an appointed medical examiner.

    In the end, the board voted 14-12 against adding it to the agenda for Thursday’s County Board meeting.

    The proposed shift is related to the 2004 death of Kathleen Savio, the third wife of former Bolingbrook police officer Drew Peterson. Although a coroner’s jury decided the drowning was accidental, the case was reopened last year after the October disappearance of Stacy Peterson, his fourth wife.

    Now, Savio’s death is labeled a homicide.

    Some Bolingbrook residents believe the Savio case was bungled by Will County Coroner Patrick O’Neil’s office. If that hadn’t happened, Stacy wouldn’t have vanished, according to their reasoning.

    Word against change

    Others oppose the idea of a medical examiner, including some employees who work for O’Neil. A medical examiner would be an overly expensive, unnecessary change, they said, citing the office’s successful track record.
    “Is this what the people of Will County deserve?” asked Mike VanOver, president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Local 1028 and a Will County deputy coroner. “A politically motivated rush job? The same old election-year politics?”

    O’Neil, a Democrat, is running for re-election in November against Republican Chuck Lyons, a former deputy coroner.

    County Board members such as Wayne McMillan, R-Bolingbrook, have mentioned public opinion as a reason for proposing the switch.

    “I am asking you for this choice in the names of Kathleen Savio and Stacy Peterson,” said Brenda Korneder, one of the many people who spoke Monday.

    Some board members disagreed.

    “What I haven’t heard is one bit of evidence … that a medical examiner would have investigated (the Savio case) differently,” said Steve Wilhelmi, D-Joliet.

    ‘Disappointing vote’

    So the question won’t be on the November ballot. It’s a matter of timing. By law, the members of the board had to vote for or against a referendum before adding the question to the ballot. By law, those votes had to be cast before Sept. 2. The regular board meeting scheduled for Thursday is the last time the entire group will meet – and have a chance to vote – before that deadline.

    After the meeting, Carol Penning, Bolingbrook’s village clerk and a close friend of Stacy Peterson, expressed mixed emotions about the decision.

    “I think our mission is to continue to keep the issue in the forefront,” she said. “We’ll just keep trying.”

    Cassandra Cales, one of Stacy’s sisters, spoke briefly during the meeting but chose not to comment afterward.

    Sun-Times News Group

  10. http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/news/1114492,2_1_AU19_CORONER_S1.article

    Switch from coroner is a dead issue
    Will County: Board won’t put measure on ballot to change to medical examiner process

    August 19, 2008Recommend

    By STEWART WARREN SWARREN@SCN1.COM

    JOLIET — The push for a Will County medical examiner is dead. At least for now.

    The proposed shift is related to the 2004 death of Kathleen Savio, the third wife of former Bolingbrook police officer Drew Peterson. Although a coroner’s jury decided the drowning was accidental, the case was reopened last year after the October disappearance of Stacy Peterson, Peterson’s fourth wife.

    Now, Savio’s death is labeled a homicide.

    (Image of Kathleen Savio here)
    The bungled Savio case led the Will County Board to discuss changing the system of local death investigations from an elected coroner to an appointed medical examiner.
    (Courtesy)

    Some Bolingbrook residents believe the Savio case was bungled by Will County Coroner Patrick O’Neil’s office. If that hadn’t happened, Stacy wouldn’t have vanished, according to their reasoning.

    During a special Monday meeting, Will County Board members discussed changing the system of local death investigations from an elected coroner to an appointed medical examiner.

    Those who opposed the idea, including some employees who work for O’Neil, said a medical examiner would be an overly expensive, unnecessary change.

    “Is this what the people of Will County deserve?” asked Mike VanOver, president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Local 1028 and a Will County deputy coroner. “A politically motivated rush job? The same old election-year politics?”

    O’Neil, a Democrat, is running for re-election in November against Republican Chuck Lyons, a former deputy coroner.

    County Board members such as Wayne McMillan, R-Bolingbrook, have mentioned public opinion as a reason for proposing the switch.

    “I am asking you for this choice in the names of Kathleen Savio and Stacy Peterson,” said Brenda Korneder, one of the many people who spoke Monday.

    Some County Board members disagreed.

    “What I haven’t heard is one bit of evidence … that a medical examiner would have investigated (the Savio case) differently,” said Steve Wilhelmi, D-Joliet.

    The board had to decide Monday if an item proposing a November referendum on the medical examiner issue should be on the agenda for Thursday’s regular board meeting. In the end, members voted 14-12 against adding the issue to the agenda.

    So the question will not be on the November ballot. By law, the members of the County Board had to vote for or against a referendum before adding the question to the ballot. Those votes had to be cast before Sept. 2.

    “I think it’s a disappointing vote,” said board Chairman Jim Moustis, R-Frankfort.

    “I think that those who voted ‘no’ did it for political reasons.”

  11. I think they should just line up all of the people who were involved in the original Kathleen Savio death investigation, send them before the GJ, and ask them why her death was presented to the jury panel as an accidental one, when, in fact, everything uncovered pointed to otherwise!

    The original autopsy wasn’t, as far as I’ve seen, much different than the following two autopsies. It was what was done with that autopsy report and everything else collected as evidence that was butchered.

    And, according to Lenny, Peterson joked about his ex-wife being found in a dry bath tub and ridiculed the investigators because of it. Bet they’re not laughing at his remark!

  12. rescueapet

    Here’s one more for you..

    Rumor has it that the crime scene tech who took the photographs at Kathleen Savio’s had been out drinking before getting the late night call and managed to grab a few shots, very few, that were not of the greatest quality, but spent most of the time complaining about having had to make the drive and be there at all…

    Makes you wonder what else that played a factor in.

  13. Seppy, yeah, but with the “crime scene” photos, they later used them to, in fact, declare Kathleen’s death a homicide, so he must have done something right. Had there not been substantial photos of the actual scene, they would have had trouble deciding to re-open the death investigation. Glasgow specifically said after he reviewed those photos, he was positive the scene was “staged.”

    updated 8:00 a.m. CT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

    JOLIET, Ill. – The death of the third wife of former police officer Drew Peterson has been officially declared a homicide after a second autopsy revealed she drowned, the Will County state’s attorney said Thursday.

    The second report on Kathleen Savio’s March 2004 death included photos from the scene and reports of the initial scene investigation, along with results from microscopic examinations and toxicological tests, Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow said in a statement.

    “We have been investigating this as a murder since reopening the case in November of last year,” Glasgow said. “We now have a scientific basis to formally and publicly classify it as such.”

    ***********
    Here’s another reference to photos. Just about the time it was determined they were going to exhume KS.

    Updated: Friday, November 9, 2007 7:07 PM CST

    A coroner’s jury ruled the 2004 death of Kathleen Savio, Peterson’s third wife, an accident, even though there was no water in the bathtub where the 40-year-old’s body was found face-down, her hair soaked in blood from a head wound. Investigators theorized the water had drained.

    But in a petition the Will County state’s attorney filed Friday listing the reasons authorities wanted to exhume Savio’s body, prosecutors said a review of evidence in the case “is consistent with the ’staging’ of an accident to conceal a homicide.”

    Prosecutors said they reviewed photographs of the crime scene and autopsy, the autopsy protocol, and police reports.

    They determined the blood evidence wasn’t consistent with water slowly leaking out of the tub, that the one-inch gash on the back of Savio’s head was not sufficient to render her unconscious, and that abrasions on her body weren’t consistent with falling on a smooth surface like a bathtub, State’s Attorney James Glasgow said.

    “With 29 years of experience, there’s no doubt in my mind it wasn’t an accident,” Glasgow said.

  14. At least in the case of the photographs taken at the time of Kathleen’s death, Glasgow didn’t have to come out and say they were screwed up too, just like the whole investigation. He used them to his benefit.

    Maybe the guy does his best work when he’s had a couple.

  15. In fact, LOL, if it is a “rumor,” seems to me the one who started it was the one who doesn’t want to see his “crime scene photos” be of any use, rather than no use. Right? Sounds like a rumor Drew would want to start, since the crime scene photos showed the “real picture.”

  16. Don’t know, will be interesting to find out.!!!

    Supposedly it was just another way the whole thing was botched up, another ‘half ass’ job they did for Kathleen…

    Whatever the case, I’m still just baffled at how blind people must have been, or how bad they didn’t want to see the purple elephant..

  17. Of all the things they botched up, at least it doesn’t seem like the pictures were, since they played a large part in re-opening Kathleen’s death investigation.

    I just think, IMHO, the rumor would have been started by someone who doesn’t want the pictures to be valid.

    Of course, that would be Peterson and/or Brodsky, right?

    Now he can say the guy was drunk and the pictures are no good. That, though, is laughable.

  18. A little off subject but, I read somewhere that once the gov. receives a bill he has 60 days to veto or sign. If he does nothing it automatically
    becomes law, after sixty days.
    Does anyone know if that’s correct?

  19. grandam – I thought I heard once he signs it, it’s effective immediately. Maybe I can find it later, okay?

  20. Oh, sorry, I just re-read your post. I see what you are saying. I don’t know about that part of it – letting it sit for 60 days. Again, sorry.

  21. There is something beyond Kathleen, Stacy and their families which is making me very sad. Contemplating ALL of the errors, lame-ness and just general crap-ocity surrounding these crimes is just astounding.

    But, it’s hard to believe that if all of this was/is going on in little Bollingbrook, that it’s ONLY in Bollingbrook.

    It scares me. How many other Kathleens? How many Stacys?

  22. Hi everybody

    I’m sure I read that too, about the bill passing into law even if the Gov doesn’t sign it. He has 60 days to do so, but if he doesn’t, it becomes law on the 61st day anyway.

  23. Confused at the idea it becomes law if Gov. doesn’t sign… that’s the exact opposite of what happens at Federal level w/ our Prez. If the Prez doesn’t sign, it’s a ‘pocket veto and the bill evaporates.

  24. You know, if you read Danya’s/Gatehouse’s article about yesterday’s meeting, there’s more to it than meets the eye.

    Obviously State’s Attorney Glasgow is the one that is uncovering all of the missteps, mistakes, whatever you want to call them, in the handling of Kathleen Savio’s death.

    You know the saying, “be careful what you wish for”?

    If you read Glasgow’s opinion regarding this matter, he is NOT for it.

    “….Clearly, something went wrong four or five years ago,” Konicki said. “There is nobody today who doesn’t believe that the ball was dropped back then.”

    But Will County State’s Attorney James Glasgow, who was not in office at the time of Savio’s death, said the jury’s ruling in Savio’s case did not prohibit police and the state’s attorney’s office from continuing an investigation and filing charges.

    “I don’t believe this would’ve happened on my watch,” Glasgow said.

    Glasgow also cautioned board members against approving a medical examiner’s office that is board certified but not accredited by the National Association of Medical Examiners, as the tentative referendum planned. A non-accredited office, Glasgow said, would render prosecutors helpless against defense attorneys aiming to discredit testimony.

    “You’re going to tie my hands,” Glasgow warned board members. “Bottom line is, you can’t do it halfway.”

    The board heeded Glasgow’s advice and quickly voted 14-12 to change the referendum to mandate an accredited office. The question then came to money.

  25. Here’s Gatehouse’s coverage when Dr. Baden was here to testify. He himself says both forms of offices, Medican Examiner vs Coroner’s Office, have their benefits.

    In the end, I have no idea which form of office is right or wrong. The issue at hand is who the cluckheads are that let Kathleen’s death ruling stick.

    What happened in Kathleen Savio’s death investigation wasn’t the autopsy, or the collection of evidence. That will always be challenged by a defense attorney anyway.

    If LE and the State’s Attorney’s Office at the time would have looked at and used their own findings and followed through, isn’t it obvious they could have made it right and changed that finding?

    Coroner vs. medical examiner debate rages on in Will County Board

    By Don Grigas, dgrigas@mysuburbanlife.com
    Suburban Life Publications
    Thu Jun 12, 2008, 07:01 PM CDT
    Bolingbrook, IL –

    The decision to retain the current Will County Coroner’s Office or transition to a Medical Examiners Office to handle death investigations continued to heat up Thursday during a Will County Board Committee As A Whole meeting in Joliet.

    Renowned pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, former chief medical examiner for New York City, made a presentation to the Will County Board this morning that included sharp criticism among board members in support of, and against, the notion the County Coroner’s Office should be eliminated and replaced with a Medical Examiner’s Office.

    Baden, who was invited to make the presentation by Ann Dralle, R-District 3, said both forms of office have positive value, but said medical examiners are trained doctors with up to 12 years training as forensic pathologists.

    “Both have their pros. Coroners do a good job dealing with families (over deaths) and can be trained, but they don’t have the 12 years of training and experience forensic pathologists have,” he said.

    Will County Coroner Patrick O’Neil, whose office was in charge of the investigation into the death of Kathleen Savio, Drew Peterson’s third wife, said he believes the Coroner’s Office “provides as good a service as a medical examiner at less cost.”

    The board is considering seeking a referendum to place on the ballot the issue of creating a medical examiner’s office to replace the coroner’s office.

    Dralle said she contacted Baden to make a presentation because of his familiarity with both types of death investigation offices, and his experience in Will County from providing an opinion on Savio’s death after a second autopsy was performed by the Coroner’s Office in November, 2007.

    Dr. Larry Blum conducted the autopsy for the Coroner’s Office, and Baden attended. Later both Baden and the Coroner’s Office said the death was a homicide.

    During a question-and-answer session John Anderson, D-District 1, peppered Baden with questions about his qualifications and his history as a paid expert witness before James Moustis, chairman of the committee, told Anderson his questioning was out of order.

    “I am not going to let you cross-examine Dr. Baden,” Moustis said.

    Baden said he was not being compensated for appearing, other than $450 to cover the cost of his travel to Illinois.

    Bolingbrook Police Chief Ray McGury, who attended the meeting, said he had no particular preference regarding the type of office for investigating deaths, saying “they both have value.”

    No firm budget figures were provided suggesting what it would cost to move to a medical examiner’s office, athough Baden said the salary of a chief medical examiner to run the office could be in excess of $200,000 annually.

    The issue is expected to come up again at a future Executive Committee meeting before the board decides whether or not to take the issue to voters.

  26. You know the more I think about some of this stuff the more I think there needs to be a change in the way that domestic abuse calls involving police officers needs to be handled. The internal affairs group should be tracking the number of calls and they should be forced to stop this conflict of interest that happens when they send out the cop’s friends on the calls. Or at least follow up with someone from another group.

    Domestic violence among police officers is very high. These are people that are sworn to protect and serve the community but they often suffer from the high level of stress that they face on a daily basis.

    This brushing it off and getting the victims not to press charges has to stop. I do realize that there are some bad apples out there that falsely accuse people of abuse. But these should be investigated seriously.

    And there should be even bigger red flags when more than one woman calls in a domestic on an officer. JMO.

  27. I think it should be mandatory that Police Officers have a sort of Big Brother thing that allows them to confide in each other and holds each other accountable. If it is set up right, they would have to seek help for each other or both their jobs would be in jeapordy.

  28. facsmiley // August 20, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Does anyone know if there is any current special protocol for handling complaints/calls against an officer?
    ****************************

    Do you mean the ones that involve an officer when he’s off duty. Like what happened between Kathleen and Drew?

    That should be handled exactly as an ordinary citizen, but I think the department often looks the other way. Plus, regular citizens know that going against a cop will ensure you get “special treatment” on down the line.

    I’m sure departments will tell you differently, and Bbk has nothing on their website about complaints.

  29. Tuesday, August 19, 2008
    Gambling and Crime Solving a Deadly Combination

    Four and a half years later, yet another botched crime scene in picture perfect Will County, Illinois is left with many unanswered questions.

    The first issue of concern: why did the Bolingbrook Police Department look the other way when they arrived at the gruesome crime scene of Sgt. Drew Peterson’s former residence?

    Explanation, because he was a cop, part of the brotherhood, one of their own.
    In my opinion, when it is officer related, departments across the country do not always follow the rules.
    Classic example: when Bolingbrooks emergency medical response team arrived at Drew Peterson’s home ( I say this because their financial situation was yet to be finalized) the “buddy boys in blue” did not contact a supervisor. Instead, they interviewed Sgt. Peterson for approximately sixty-five minutes.
    Rather odd, no towels on the floor, no visible signs that Kathleen Savio even took a bath.
    Kathleen Savio was a woman who took pride in her appearance. Strange that each one of her nails were cut short when her body was discovered ironic, her nails were manicured at a salon just two days before.

    The tub is as dry as a bone, no signs of visible water
    Each one of the ‘bozo boys in blue” from the Bolingbrook Police Department knew for a fact, Kathleen Savio and Drew Peterson had a heated and stormy relationship. This is also a reason, despite an alibi or statement to investigate further. There was financial gain and motive for Peterson. Another red flag.

    The Will County State’s Attorney’s Office did not properly preside over the initial coroner’s inquest. If they had Peterson would have been indicted, charged and found guilty in the death of Kathleen Savio.
    The file tucked away in the offices at the Will County court house held the key in Kathleen Savio’s death. Sadly, that important case file in which Kathleen sent letters, filed for an order of protection and wrote of fearing for her life, to the State’s Attorney was never entered into the first grand jury hearing.

    An abuser is extremely clever at making others believe in their daily surroundings, to friends, family and co-workers their “victim” is crazy.
    It would take the vanishing act of Stacy Peterson before the elected officials in Will County treated the murder of Kathleen Savio, seriously. This was after Kathleen’s family tried and failed to get someone’s attention in the matter.

    I should mention Will County is a very nice place to visit. Their recent attraction is Harrah’s Hotel and Casino bringing additional jobs and dollars to the area and in my opinion, not much else.
    Everyone in Will County from the Bollingbrook Police Department, Will County State’s Attorney’s Office, Mayor of Bolingbrook and surrounding townships anxiously sharpened their pencils inflating their “batman and robin” crime crusading budgets. In an effort to make Will County, safer for its’ tax paying and visiting Harrah’s Casino patrons.

    But, for the families of Nicole DeYoung, Lisa Stebic, Stacy Peterson and many others, they could care less about a gambling casino that generates dollars to make the County a better place to live. They deserve answers.

    All they are asking is for the Elected Officials in Will County to do their jobs!

    Posted by Susan Murphy-Milano at 10:53 PM

  30. grandam // August 20, 2008 at 10:46 am
    ————–
    Tuesday, August 19, 2008
    Gambling and Crime Solving a Deadly Combination

    “………………All they are asking is for the Elected Officials in Will County to do their jobs!”

    ++++++
    Politics and corruption is so wide spread, it’s hard to know who to trust anymore.

    But, there’s always the light at the end of the tunnel, where true justice will prevail.

    If a Governor of New York can be caught and brought down for his actions, so can a measly has-been police sergeant who happened to think he was better than everyone else.

  31. facsmiley // August 20, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Does anyone know if there is any current special protocol for handling complaints/calls against an officer?

    ***

    Hmm – the only ones I know about is the “look the other way” and “convince the calling party that pressing charges could result in the offender losing his job and they wouldn’t want that”. Those are the ones I’ve seen in action.

  32. Hmm – the only ones I know about is the “look the other way” and “convince the calling party that pressing charges could result in the offender losing his job and they wouldn’t want that”. Those are the ones I’ve seen in action.

    *********

    Kind of like what the Cardinals, right on down the line, did with abusive priests. Guess it happens in all lines of “work.” Guess that’s why they have courts full of sex discrimination suits in corporate America. Too many people turning their heads for too many reasons.

  33. amandareckonwith // August 20, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Do you mean the ones that involve an officer when he’s off duty. Like what happened between Kathleen and Drew?

    That should be handled exactly as an ordinary citizen, but I think the department often looks the other way. Plus, regular citizens know that going against a cop will ensure you get “special treatment” on down the line.

    I’m sure departments will tell you differently, and Bbk has nothing on their website about complaints.

    ***

    I think a little differently than you do here. I don’t think it should be treated exactly the same as other citizens. I think that it is different because they are not regular citizens – they are also employees – and I believe they are considered always on-call.

    I don’t know though – it’s a tough call. I just wish there was a way to break through the blue wall sometimes.

  34. An interesting read related to the topic under discussion:

    http://www.theiacp.org/documents/pdfs/Publications/domviolconceptpaper.pdf

    “International Association of Chiefs of Police
    Discussion Paper on IACPʹs Policy on Domestic Violence by Police Officers

    A product of the IACP Police Response to Violence Against Women Project

    Effective Date: July 2003

    I. INTRODUCTION
    A. Purpose of Document
    This paper supports the policy on Domestic Violence by Police Officers established by the IACP. This document conveys the philosophy and development of the policy along with implementation requirements. As law enforcement executives tailor this policy to their specific agencies, the policy will need to be redrafted in the context of existing local ordinances, provisions of union contracts and all other state and federal laws. Departments must ensure that all other related policies are updated to be consistent with the provisions of this new policy and that other forms of family violence, including elder and child abuse, are addressed in a parallel manner. Although the policy speaks to police officers, it is strongly recommended that departments apply the principles to all employees whether sworn or civilian whenever appropriate…”

  35. “E. Post‐Incident Administrative and Criminal Decisions

    Once an arrest has been made or an incident has otherwise been documented, careful attention must be devoted to the proper handling of the case. The department should conduct two separate but parallel investigations. The chief may ask an outside law enforcement agency to handle the administrative or criminal investigation for reasons of limited resources or to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. Simultaneous investigations will prevent a department from continuing to employ an officer who has violated department policy while the outcome of a criminal investigation and prosecution may take considerably longer to conclude. In order to ensure that an accused officerʹs departmental and legal rights are upheld during the administrative and criminal investigations, the department should seek legal guidance.”

  36. rescueapet // August 20, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Kind of like what the Cardinals, right on down the line, did with abusive priests. Guess it happens in all lines of “work.” Guess that’s why they have courts full of sex discrimination suits in corporate America. Too many people turning their heads for too many reasons.

    ***

    OM goodness – don’t get me started on that one. That whole brotherhood thing just gets my blood boiling. I have grown up as a Catholic but I will be completely honest with you all that after hearing that it happened again in Chicago just a couple of years ago made me decide not to give any of my money to an organization that so wrongly covered up for these sickening individuals – not a dime.

    They allowed these priests (many of them that preyed on young BOYS) to GIVE Holy Communiion but then say they won’t allow gay people to RECEIVE Holy Communion? Guess what – these priests are harmful sinners that have stolen the lives of many children.

    The same absolutely goes with the police. You hear about this all the time. Look at the whole Jon Burges thing (http://humanrights.uchicago.edu/chicagotorture/timeline.shtml). Some (it is important to note it is not ALL ) cops cover up for each other, force confessions, plant evidence, and even drop guns to cover for their fellow officers. They should not be above the law.

  37. Speaking of Domestic Violence anybody go to court to see what is going on today with Mike Robinson, the woman beating friend of Drews?

  38. Noway ooops my bad lol I thought it was today your right it is tomorrow. I hope his butt gets locked up although im thinking another continuance again most likely

  39. Grandam – thanks for posting that article. I know people have had questions about Kathleen’s nails being cut short but this is the first I heard that she had just visited a salon:

    “Kathleen Savio was a woman who took pride in her appearance. Strange that each one of her nails were cut short when her body was discovered ironic, her nails were manicured at a salon just two days before.”

  40. Well tomorrow should be an interesting day then. It is Thursday so the GJ may talk to someone, MR is due in court, and Casey Anthony is due in court.

  41. Casey Anthony. The 22 year old pied piper that has ’em all lined up behind her, following the trail of her monumental lies. She is something.

  42. rescueapet // August 20, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Casey Anthony. The 22 year old pied piper that has ‘em all lined up behind her, following the trail of her monumental lies. She is something.

    MIND F’NG BLOWING….ISN’T IT?

  43. So some time back here on WordPress it was posted that:

    “Smith was Savio’s divorce attorney for her tumultuous divorce from Peterson. He said Savio agreed to finalize the grounds for divorce and save the financial settlement for later so that Drew Peterson could marry Stacy, who was uninsured and pregnant with her first child at the time.

    “Everybody at some point sort of sat down and said ‘forget the anger and the other strife we’re going through,’” Smith said. “If he’s not married to her, she cannot get onto his insurance coverage and they’re going to have this child without any health care benefits.

    “I talked to Kathy about that and she realized that was not an appropriate thing to have happen,” Smith said.”

    So – I wonder if Drew and Stacy pretended they didn’t know that her pregnancy was a pre-existing condition prior to their actual marriage. I wonder if that is grounds for discipline which could result in him losing his pension?

    I also recall reading (but can’t find it now) that one of the reasons that Kathleen dropped the order of protection was so Drew wouldn’t lose his job which would result in the kids losing their insurance. Did anyone else see that out there?

  44. gotoutandhappynow // August 19, 2008 at 9:47 am

    http://tinyurl.com/6ja8xb

    Fox Video – Will County Decides Against Elected Coroner

    Cassandra is on at the beginning of the clip and I immediately started crying. My thoughts and prayers are with you Cassandra.
    ——————————————————-
    I feel so bad for Cassandra. It breaks my heart.

    I have a couple of things to say about this video. This should have been about Kathleen because this is where the breakdown occured. Kathleen’s cries were not heard and this CLOWN should be out of office! He failed Kathleen and her family. Stacy’s death would not have occured if O’Neil would have done his freaking job! In addition, BBPD should be held accountable for the death of Kathleen. They did look the other way and it’s disgusting! I agree that many, many departments are corrupt and BBPD was extremely corrupt and I believe that many officers are still friendly with Drew. Sad, but true. Victims are very scared to make a complaint against an officer as you can COUNT on retaliation in some form.

    There is not a department in any city in the US that does not look the other way for their fellow officers. I’m not saying ALL officers look the other way, but many, many do! Why in the world would Kathleen make a complaint against the officers when she had been shown time and time again that they didn’t give a rats @ss about her and the carp that DP was doing to her!?

    I have another comment-the only family member of Stacy’s that was present was Cassandra (that I could see). ❓ I didn’t see one other family member in that video. I will say that the people that I did see are the same people that were called the “garden girls.” I saved the picture from FSP and they were all there. I’m glad that they did have people to support but where were the people that KNEW Stacy?? I hope that Stacy’s family and her true FRIENDS that knew her when she was alive will start supporting Stacy! IMO-it is riduculous that nobody that actually knew her was there (except Bruce & Sharon). Why would the family have people speak at this meeting that didn’t know Stacy or Kathleen? Did Pam Bosco attend? Did she speak?

    Please don’t rip me apart-I want to know where the outrage is in BB? Why wasn’t that place standing room only? Where are the citizens of BB-Will County? BTW-most of the people that attended do not live in Will County. Where is the cries for CHANGE? If you can’t get people to attend a freaking meeting, then does anyone really think that people will show up and vote? I don’t. 👿

  45. trintrin said…
    There is no doubt in my mind Kathleen’s civil rights were violated by Drew Peterson, ISP, BPD, Will county and the States Attorney. Why have the Feds not moved on this yet?

    August 20, 2008 4:09 PM

  46. thinkaboutit2

    So – I wonder if Drew and Stacy pretended they didn’t know that her pregnancy was a pre-existing condition prior to their actual marriage. I wonder if that is grounds for discipline which could result in him losing his pension?

    ……………………………………………………………..

    Insurance fraud would fit Drew to the t!!

  47. sorry ducky,
    the spam blocker caught it because it had a link to it. sadly, we still have not figured out a solution to this problem. those of you who are still having trouble getting posts with links in them, break the link by putting a space in the URL. For example,
    http://www.mysuburbanlife.com will get caught by the blcoker.

    h ttp://www…. will not get caught.

  48. And, sad to say, but possible insurance fraud will probably be more vigorously investigated than Kathleen’s murder.

  49. gatehousechicago // August 20, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    thinkaboutit-
    That is from a story we published back in March. Here’s the link:
    https://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/stacy-inquired-about-divorce-days-before-disappearance/

    ***

    Thanks Gatehouse. Question for you. When you put these articles up here are you pulling information from other places or did you actually speak to and quote Kathleen’s lawyer? I’m kinda new here so I wasn’t sure if you were more like a reporter than a regular blogger – I try not to pull my sources from regular bloggers since many just contain opinion. 🙂

  50. I don’t think pregnancy is a preexisting condition . . . at least it is not with my insurance company. Goodness knows, they all vary. 🙄

    And I think it has been verified that Stacy WAS NOT pregnant when she got married to Drew (her son was born … see wedding photos).

  51. I wish that the whole topic of the investigation (or lack of) into the circumstances of Katheen’s death focused more on Kathleen rather than how the bungling factors into Stacy’s disappearance.

    Where were Kathleen’s supporters at the referendum meeting? It was her death investigation that was so badly handled.

    Why do they call the hearsay law “Stacy’s law” when it could help the state win a case against Drew in Kathleen’s murder?

    I found Cassandra’s statement to be very moving, but why was there no one there to speak for Kathleen?

  52. gatehousechicago // August 20, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    should also add that we’ve recovered your post from the spam box and it should be up there now.
    ——————————————————-
    Thanks Gatehouse!

  53. Oh – I know someone that had that problem and got married very quickly because their insurance wouldn’t have covered it. This was back in 1989-1990 though so that may have been the case in the old days.

    We had no FMLA back then – I had to go to work 6 weeks after my daughter was born even though she was 6 weeks preemie and only weighed 5 lbs. or I’d lose my job.

  54. Think, it they have individual insurance, it might be an issue … the HIPAA thing only applies to group insurance. And it’s from 1996 … as my son says “back in old fashioned times” …

    🙄

  55. Actually, I think 1981 was the “old fashioned times” he was referring to … not sure what he would call 1989-1990!

  56. thinkaboutit –
    Stories written on this blog are written by the reporters of Suburban Life Publications (usually either Danya Hooker or Don Grigas, or staff reports from our various editors and reporters). The blog itself is just another medium we use to publish our stories in addition to the print versions…and it helps us give you all a chance to meet each other and discuss the case.

    You can also check out the About Us tab at the top of the page if you have any other question about who Suburban Life or GateHouse is.

    Hope that helps!

  57. Hi Everyone.

    Well, I have had an interesting few days serving as a member of a jury in a criminal trial.

    Now that it is over, I can honestly say that the general public is FRIGHTENING, when it comes to our justice system. 😯

    As far as the pregnancy being a pre-exisiting condition – I know someone who was pregnant when she married her husband. His insurance did cover all of it, and they did know she was pregnant when added. It wasn’t an issue. I think pregnancy may not necessarily be considered a “pre-existing” condition.

  58. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6340746

    Drew Peterson’s lawyer is claiming he’s found new evidence backing Peterson’s story that his missing wife, Stacy, left on her own.
    Attorney Joel Brodsky says the new information was used as evidence by the Illinois State Police when they applied for a search warrant for Peterson’s home. Brodsky released the information, which he says comes from a police interview with a junior college friend of Stacy Peterson’s.

    The name of the student is blacked out, but the material reads, “according to (blank) a fellow student from joliet Junior College with Stacy Peterson, Stacy complained to (blank) over drinks after class on October 27, 2007, at approximately 4:30 p. m. that she wanted out of her marriage.
    “(Blank) suggested to her at that time that she should take the cash money and not use her credit cards to preclude being found. She responded that if she was to leave, she would leave in the morning when drew was asleep.”
    The alleged conversation occurred the day before Stacy Peterson disappeared. The warrant for the house search was issued last October.
    The state police say they’re not familiar with the document and will look into it.

    (Copyright ©2008 WLS-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)

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    2 comments
    Post A Comment 1 maisondusuave 8/20/08 7:56 PM EDT

    Did they have classes on a Saturday??Otherwise of course she thought about leaving like that.She must have looked at every which way she could leave. God bless her, she was scared. That doesn’t mean she did. Maybe Joel and Drew could leave their children and families, but Stacy didn’t. Mark As Violation

    2 maisondusuave 8/20/08 8:00 PM EDT

    Drew Peterson and Joel Brodsky have told so many lies…not consistent…NOT CREDIBLE. Mark As Violation

  59. yeah, and he also found a racy text message that proved she had a secret lover.

    He’s nuts. Grasping. Who even listens to what he says anymore. Yawn.

  60. “The state police say they’re not familiar with the document and will look into it.”
    *********************

    I’d like to see it too.

  61. Maybe he’s got it filed with the Thailand pic, the Kentucky sighting report, the Peoria sighting report, the racy text message. That folder of Brodsky’s is getting thick.

  62. THE LE proubly talked to this person and said it was not credible at all. maybe this person heard all the storys about this …… and is mentioning about the money part ……. I think they are grappeling at straws,,,,,

  63. Brodsky released the information, which he says comes from a police interview with a junior college friend of Stacy Peterson’s.

    **********************

    Of course, the police interviewed people familiar with Stacy. If they hadn’t, Joel would have complained about that too. I’m sure they interviewed a lot of people in the early hours. What the hell else were they supposed to do when her old man said she was missing and ran off? Pat him on his head and buy him a drink? They had to follow-up on what he said.

    How come Tom Morphey isn’t credible as a witness about helping Drew carry out a blue barrel but this newly found college bud is and proves Peterson’s whole case?

    Aw, sweet. Brodsky and Peterson’s new BFF.

  64. LOL. She was having drinks on a Saturday with someone? Yeah, like that was going to happen with Drew Peterson up her rear-end every time she made a move.

    Yeah, that’ll work.

  65. I wonder….what’s next…Maybe she kidnapped Caylee Anthony on her way to the Bahama’s ?

    These two are absolutely laughable.

  66. Well, IKELOL, I guess he’s moved on from finding all of his dirt on Lenny and Paula, and now he’s back to the real truth. You know, the sightings, the revelations, the secret convos over drinks on a Saturday. Yeah, that’s the ticket. I’m believing it all now.

  67. I love it. Stuck on Stupid…Hey I hear a commerical in the making…Are you tired of being stuck on stupid ? well not anymore with the amazing new….yaddda yadda yadda!!!

  68. I should have known where this crap came from. The guy’s name is Mike, and I’m not even going to mention the idiot that started this, but he thinks he’s a she sometimes. 🙂

  69. Let me clarify my post. The “Mike” is the name of the college bud. Everything beyond the short quote about what Stacy supposedly said is cut off and not shown. Also, Joel just received this stuff today in “discovery.” If there haven’t been any charges, why is he getting this stuff in “discovery.” Hmmm?

  70. Drew offers a $25,000 reward, and her secret college bud didn’t even have the decency to call Brodsky with his big revelation. I hate when that happens.

  71. Stacy was at a class that day.

    She had told family members previously that she was fearful of Drew and not happy with him. So what if a student suggested she take the money and leave?

  72. rescueapet // August 20, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Let me clarify my post. The “Mike” is the name of the college bud. Everything beyond the short quote about what Stacy supposedly said is cut off and not shown. Also, Joel just received this stuff today in “discovery.” If there haven’t been any charges, why is he getting this stuff in “discovery.” Hmmm?
    —————————————————

    HMM joel recieved the discovery today, hmm what does that tell ya…..

    ISn’t it that you get a discovery during a murder trial and not before hand . kinda strang if you ask me … I have not heard of way before anything , that they gety this information… does anyone know if it is before a trial, I know it is during a trial they get this stuff but before ??

  73. Rescue – It is my understanding that this information was somehow part of the search warrant documentation which they had to provide as discovery related to the gun charges that the police did file.

    I wish I could see the full document. I will admit that it has peeked my interest.

  74. think – yes, you are right. That would be part of the discovery in the gun charge.

    This Mike guy is going to be hunted down like a dog now that Brodsky has him in his sights. Poor guy.

  75. Too bad Brodsky isn’t letting the public see that whole page. Wouldn’t it be a gift if that guy goes on to say she was taking the little people with her? Like she’d really admit to some guy she knew from a class that she was going to leave while the old man was sleeping, letting the kids fend for themselves.

    What about the hours and hours of voice recordings, eh? Brodsky’s got a little, itty, pea of a brain if he forgot that little gem!

    There’s a reason Brodsky only let a small portion of that page get on his buddy’s web site. There’s more to it than meets the eye, I’d bet. He wanted to make sure he got his mug, once again, on tv, making his white noise, as usual.

    Laughable, really silly stuff.

  76. I agree – I want to see the whole thing and not just a snippet. I can’t tell what context this was stated in and what other information follows. He would be quite angry if the prosecution put out a blurb like that and would be all over it like flies on a turd.

    Now don’t get me wrong – it is possible that the surrounding information could give more credibility to this statement – but it is impossible to know without seeing the whole thing.

    One thing for sure – LE has forced its own hand to provide some very important information to Drew’s defense team. The information in the search warrant certainly gives them some clues as to what the prosecution has in their back pocket for the other cases.

  77. Id like to see the whole thing, too, but this isn’t real evidence of anything except how scared and worried she was. JB. What a twat.

    This has more to do with putting something out there to appear in reports alongside everything damaging that might appear today with M. Robinson, GJ.

    He’s run out of psychological torture etc.

  78. One thing for sure – LE has forced its own hand to provide some very important information to Drew’s defense team. The information in the search warrant certainly gives them some clues as to what the prosecution has in their back pocket for the other cases.

    ********************
    Ah, but that could only be what they might have had in the first few days. Been a lot of investigatin’ and tapin’ since then!

  79. I wonder…….Will today be the day ? It’s Grand Jury day. Thursday is now offically my favorite day.

    Morning everyone. Hey Rescue, how ya doing ?

  80. Hi Wonder. Yeah, GJ day. Again and again and again. Today is MRobinson’s day to grace the courtroom with his presence too. Thursday, such a special day.

  81. I know it was posted way upline, but could Stacy have been taking some type of basic class on Saturday? Like Math, Science, etc.? I know that our Community College offers several classes on Saturday that are not directly related to degree but needed to begin degree studies (although they can be taken along with degree classes).

  82. Grandma – I believe it’s been acknowledged that she did have a class that day.

    So, see, there ya go. That proves she ran off, just like Drew said, because this Mike guy said he told her to and take cash. You believe it, don’t you?

  83. According to what I saw on video, Cass mentioned that Stacy was at “her CPR class” on Saturday. I’ll get the link and post it here.

    And while this is just one more person who said that Stacy wanted out of her marriage, and this person suggested taking cash and not using credit cards, I’m not sure that Stacy would have been able to take his advice.

    There was no money to take. According to Joel, Drew was “too smart” to have large amounts of cash in the house. Of course that was spoken in lawyerese, so the translation could be a little fuzzy.

  84. joelbrodsky
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    Re: Q&A Joel Brodsky
    « Result #57 on Jun 22, 2008, 8:20pm »

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    As to what Stacy took, I really can’t get into the specifics of what Drew says to me about what occured on Oct. 28. But let me suggest somthing. If Stacy was planning to run off, she had access to money (used to buy presents for her family and got expensive jewlery as presents) and she could easily have saved up a nice chunk of change to run off with in a relatively short period of time, and therefore would not have had to grab any money out of some supposed safe on the night she ran off. That makes more sence then a cop having 25k sitting in a safe, no?
    ______________________
    If she only got the idea to “use cash instead of credit cards” from Mike on Saturday, I don’t think she would have much money saved up by Sunday.

  85. Thanks for the link, thinaboutit. She’s another one that’s hard to stomach.

    Fox News says Padilla is using this as material for his reality tv show on National Geographic.

    Nice, huh. That baby, Caylee, is material for a bounty hunter’s tv show, and her poor excuse of a mother is helping him and her lawyers get rich. Maybe she can find it in her heart to tell them where Caylee is so she can have a decent burial. Caylee would get more heartfelt feelings from strangers than she would from her moronic mother.

  86. REMINDER:

    ROBINSON MICHAEL 8 21 8 404 930 08CF000098 0 INTIMIDATION/PHYSICAL 1 Final
    ROBINSON MICHAEL 8 21 8 404 930 08CF000098 0 BATTERY/CAUSE BODILY 3 Final
    ROBINSON MICHAEL 8 21 8 404 930 08CF000098 0 DOMESTIC BTRY/PHYSICAL 2 Final

  87. Thanks for the link. Yeah, Cass says she was at a CPR class:

    “She texted me all day Saturday telling me she was OK, she was at CPR class.”

    I did think that what she said was right after was interesing.

    “She didn’t want to leave, she didn’t want to leave the kids. She was going about it the legal way to be with…you know, to get the kids away safely.”

    To be with…who? Scott?

    Again, nothing shows that she ‘ran away’ but maybe she was hoping that she and Scott could have something once she separated from Drew.

  88. Stacy inquired about divorce days before disappearance
    March 7, 2008

    By Danya Hooker
    dhooker@mysuburbanlife.com

    Days before she went missing, Stacy Peterson spoke with the same lawyer who represented Kathleen Savio in her divorce from Drew Peterson, the attorney revealed Thursday on Roe Conn’s WLS radio show.

    Harry Smith said he spoke with Stacy Peterson Oct. 24 and Oct. 26 about filing for divorce. She disappeared Oct. 28.

    Smith declined to discuss the details of the conversation any further, citing the ongoing investigation into Peterson’s disappearance, which officials are calling a possible homicide.
    ***************

    Oh, shoot, you mean she told someone else besides Mike she wanted a divorce?

  89. rescueapet // August 21, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Thanks for the link, thinaboutit. She’s another one that’s hard to stomach.

    Fox News says Padilla is using this as material for his reality tv show on National Geographic.

    Nice, huh. That baby, Caylee, is material for a bounty hunter’s tv show, and her poor excuse of a mother is helping him and her lawyers get rich. Maybe she can find it in her heart to tell them where Caylee is so she can have a decent burial. Caylee would get more heartfelt feelings from strangers than she would from her moronic mother.

    ***

    I’ll swallow all of this whole if they somehow find that baby alive out this deal no matter who benefits or for what reason. 🙂

  90. Honestly – who didn’t know Stacy wanted to leave Drew and was unhappy.

    August
    – Frantic Phone call to Cass saying she wants to move out of state with kids & get away from Drew. Says she wanted to go to California to move in with Pam Bosco’s brothers.

    Oct 4th-Former boyfriend and Stacy meet at the market tells him that she wants a divorce from Drew.

    Oct 17th at 10am…SP allegedly e-mails Chezaday (Steve Cesare) and discusses multiple topics.

    Oct 24th
    -Stacy calls Attorney Harry Smith (First Call)

    Oct. 25
    – Pam Bosco, friend of Stacy spoke to her about renting a property

    Oct 26 Friday
    – Stacy tells Cass she is getting divorce….Says she fears for her life.

    -Stacy calls attorney, Harry Smith (2nd Call)

    Oct 27 Saturday
    – CPR course…….Texting Cass all day cause Cass was worried about her.
    -Spent nite together – Drew came home during his shift….seemed angry

    Oct 27th
    – Last seen by sister Cassandra at 11:30pm

    Oct 28th
    -Stacy speaks to Bruce Z on the phone call ends at 10:28 am. says that she’s depressed, been laying in bed for two hours, and that it’s going to be a long day, then goes missing.

  91. Umm – just to clarify my last comment I am referring to swallowing the fact that people benefitted in a sick way – nothing more than than. (blushing :))

  92. Hedidit – Gatehouse has wireless internet ability with them, so if there’s anything newsworthy on the spot, they usually post that here, and then come back with the rest of the story later.

  93. gotoutandhappy – good list. You could add in there Sharon’s statement about Stacy at the end of the driveway, crying and telling Sharon that she’d given Drew an Oct 31 deadline to get out of the house and that she’d boxed up some of his things.

  94. facsmiley // August 21, 2008 at 11:07 am

    gotoutandhappy – good list. You could add in there Sharon’s statement about Stacy at the end of the driveway, crying and telling Sharon that she’d given Drew an Oct 31 deadline to get out of the house and that she’d boxed up some of his things.

    thanks facs 🙂
    I forgot Sharon’s not on the list.

  95. I bet right now Team Drew is wishing they hadn’t tried to back-peddle on the comment about Stacy taking $25K that day and saying that he didn’t have that much money lying around to be taken.

    I do find it very interesting though that this conversation allegedly took place one day and then the next morning she is missing while Drew is asleep.

    On another forum I pointed out that it is also possible that Stacy blurted this out in an argument to Drew (or he overheard her talking to someone about it) which pissed him off so much that he choked her in a fit of rage and then since he knew she said that to someone it was a good story to stick to.

    In reality if they get Mike on the witness stand and he repeats this story the way it has been presented to us it could create a reasonable doubt in some jury members – that could create a hung jury and mistrial which the prosecution certainly wouldn’t want. This case is definitely very complex and the prosecution does not yet feel they have a 100% rock solid case or they would have charged him by now IMO.

  96. Just another thought about the Mike statement. It’s pretty common after something happens for people to start thinking back and pulling out bits of conversation to fit in with a scenario that’s being presented to them.

    We have no idea what LE asked him before his response. Everything before and after that snippet is blocked off. For all we know, the next thing he said was that Stacy then went on to tell him that she could never, ever run off and was determined to separate from Drew through legal channels. We just don’t know.

    But as it’s been said, if Brodsky wants to play this out in the media then so he be it. He can show his hand, and the prosecution can use what he hands them to investigate and build a rebuttal.

  97. Does anyone remember what day that it was that the theory about Stacy leaving with $25K, her bikini, and her passport was put out on the news?

    I’d hope that someone wasn’t sick enough to grab that type of information and try to insert themself into a case. Doesn’t seem likely though as we haven’t seen this Mike guy in the media at all trying to get his 15 minutes of fame.

  98. thinkaboutit said: In reality if they get Mike on the witness stand and he repeats this story the way it has been presented to us it could create a reasonable doubt in some jury members – that could create a hung jury and mistrial which the prosecution certainly wouldn’t want.

    **********
    “Mike” isn’t even close to getting on the witness stand. He may just as well be found and come out and say she forcefully said she’d never leave her children. That she was going to pack ’em all up when Drew was sleeping and take off for safe haven. Until I see the rest of this bull crap and it says Mike said she told him she had a secret lover she was running away with, I’m treating this as what it is. Brodsky Tales, Part XXX.

    I say, give the guy a chance and pooey on Brodsky and his stupid ideas!

  99. That paragraph of information released by Brodsky was part of the justification given to the judge to get the search warrant for drew home. There is no way they would have put information in it that would point to Stacy leaving on her own. It has been taken out of context.

    Also Stacy was attending a CPR class on saturday, alot of people from different walks of life have to take CPR classes for their employment. I keep think BigM being the mystery “Mike.” Why would Joel give this guy a heads up to hide from him?

  100. If “Mike” wanted to help the defense, he’d have been Brodsky’s soul mate 10 months ago. Maybe the defense should be careful about hunting him down. Odds are, we may never heard Brodsky utter this guy’s name again, and you can guess why, if that’s the case.

    How stupid is it for Brodsky to make a big deal out of this, only to possibly have it turn on him and backfire? Why didn’t he just shut up, find the guy and talk to him? Now, he has no choice but to have this guy in his pocket, or he will look like an even bigger ass.

  101. It’s all true. Brodsky, we believe you. It’s all true that Stacy wanted to divorce her old man, get away from him and hide. You just helped the prosecution.

    What you fail to leave out is that she also mentioned to people she was TAKING THE KIDS!!!!! Wouldn’t that just be a kick in the butt if she told “Mike” the same thing?????

    Couldn’t it just be possible for a jury to believe he stopped her before she could?

    You’re funny, Joel Brodsky. The more that people think out what you are trying to uncover, the more you look like the incompetent boor that you are.

  102. iknoweverythinglol // August 21, 2008 at 11:24 am

    That paragraph of information released by Brodsky was part of the justification given to the judge to get the search warrant for drew home. There is no way they would have put information in it that would point to Stacy leaving on her own. It has been taken out of context.

    Also Stacy was attending a CPR class on saturday, alot of people from different walks of life have to take CPR classes for their employment. I keep think BigM being the mystery “Mike.” Why would Joel give this guy a heads up to hide from him?

    ****

    The fact that they only show a snippet makes me wonder as well and I’ve openly stated that on the forum that Joel sometimes visits. I also cannot see having information supporting innocence being part of justification for a search warrant.

    I do not think that BigM is Mike at all and BigM has vehemently denied he is Mike on SYM. If he were Mike – Joel would have been yelling this story from the rooftops long, long ago as Joel seems to feel comfortable sharing a lot of other information with BigM.

    Side Note: I hope this doesn’t turn into a BigM bashfest though as then I have to suffer reading through posts on both forums in between good debating and conversations with each other. 🙂

  103. thinkaboutit2 // August 21, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Does anyone remember what day that it was that the theory about Stacy leaving with $25K, her bikini, and her passport was put out on the news?

    Drew Peterson maintains that Stacy Ann is “where she wants to be.” When asked if she removed anything from the house before leaving, he told FOX News she took cash, a passport and a bikini.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307264,00.html

  104. thinkaboutit2 // August 21, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Does anyone remember what day that it was that the theory about Stacy leaving with $25K, her bikini, and her passport was put out on the news?
    _____________________________________

    Drew Peterson maintains that Stacy Ann is “where she wants to be.” When asked if she removed anything from the house before leaving, he told FOX News she took cash, a passport and a bikini.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307264,00.html

  105. Thinkaboutit – the “mike” paragraph is on page 10 out of 12 of the search warrant (which was issued in October).

  106. noway406 // August 21, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Maybe they’ll hunt him down and find out he’s a street rat. Then where will they be?

    ****

    But then he’d be THEIR street rat so it is all good. 🙂

  107. Brodsky is also trying to get the idea across to the simple minds he thinks he’s talking to by asking why he’s just finding this out now?

    It’s called “discovery” Joel. You know, you learned that in law school. LE is not required to turn over anything your big heart desires solely because you wish it.

    So, stop with the bull that you’re at a loss to understand why you just got this big revelation now. Were you absent that day in class?

  108. What’ya want to bet the guy’s affidavit also said she was in fear of her husband and was afraid he was going to kill her?

    Hope the newspaper people find this guy. He’s another diamond in the rough.

  109. Rescue-

    Yup – I’m not ready to close the case on this snippet yet without full disclosure.

    Drew keeps blaming the LE on the leaks but many times he and his client are the ones that seem to share everything with the world.

    Call me stupid but isn’t this guy someone he’d want to go and talk to and then do a Perry Mason moment in the court where he grabs out that affadavit and stuns the jury??

    Letting all of your surprises out of the bag isn’t a good lawyer game.

  110. Well, Drew certainly knew that Stacy wanted a divorce.

    “Mr. PETERSON: Sure. However, Stacy–I’m not trying to be funny here–but Stacy would ask me for a divorce after her sister died on a regular basis. I’m not trying to be funny. And it was based on her menstrual cycle.

    LAUER: So–so, when Stacy asked you for a divorce on October 26th, it didn’t anger you? You weren’t upset by it?

    Mr. PETERSON: It was like every–any other moment that she had that she was unhappy with something, she would want a divorce.”

  111. Someone pointed out a very interesting thing on Topix. They said that the comment made to this mystery Mike couldn’t be used as evidence because it (just like the comments that Stacy and Kathleen made to their families and the SA) is considered hearsay. So now what?

  112. thinkaboutit2 – I was thinking about that last night as well. Perhaps that is why Joel leaked the snippet (since he knows he could never bring it up in court).

    So, is you think about it that way, the Mike comment really is just a “meh” and a shrug.

    Meh!

  113. LOL, on our side of the planet, it all helps the prosecution, because she wanted out of a bad marriage, was afraid of him killing her, and told as many people that would listen as she could.

    On Joel’s side of the planet, it’s another slam dunk that proves she ran away with a secret lover.

    Hmmm.

  114. Thinkaboutit

    This is not BigM bashing.

    Stacy went to CPR classes Saturday. Cassandra had dinner with her and Drew came in pissed off about something. Did someone tip him off to Stacy’s plan? Was it this Mike guy?

    On the morning Stacy went missing Cassandra left a comment on a guys myspace named Nard. She had not left this guy a comment for a year.

    Now I know a guy named mike and his last name starts with Nard.

    When I asked a question about Nard on FSP my account was deleted.

  115. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6341506

    WLS-TV Chicago, ILHOME
    Peterson’s attorney says wife talked of leaving
    Thursday, August 21, 2008 | 11:54 AM

    Drew Peterson’s attorney says the conversations Stacy Peterson had with a fellow student before her disappearance backs up claims that she planned to run away.

    Stacy Peterson has been missing since last October. Her husband, Drew Peterson, has been named a suspect in her disappearance but his attorney — Joel Brodsky — says new evidence supports his client’s claims that Stacy ran away.

    “I can’t think of anything more relevant than the day before she disappears discussing her plans for disappearing,” said Joel Brodsky, Drew Peterson’s attorney. “It’s completely corroborative of Drew’s story, of Drew’s version of what occurred.”

    Brodsky says documents show a college classmate of Stacy Peterson told police they’d met on October 27, 2007, and Peterson said she “wanted out” of her marriage. The man told police he advised her to not use credit cards so she wouldn’t be found. Stacy Peterson allegedly said if she left, she’d go while Drew Peterson slept.

    “There is no reason for this man to lie. He is not a friend of Drew’s. He doesn’t know Drew,” said Brodsky. “He was an acquaintance of Stacy’s. This is what occurred. And now this just goes to show that Drew isn’t so far-fetched.”

    Stacy Peterson’s friends confirmed her intention to leave her marriage to Drew Peterson. They fear she was prevented from doing so on her own terms.

    “We know this young lady was trying to get out the best she could. We don’t believe she did,” said Pam Bosco, friend of Stacy Peterson.

    On Wednesday, Peterson released a statement saying, “I have always said that I will be vindicated in the end. Now the hidden truth is starting to come out.”

    “This is the tip of the iceberg. There is a whole lot underneath the water that we’re not privy to,” said Bosco.

    State police have not commented on the document. They say their investigation is ongoing.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved.

  116. IKELOL – I wasn’t saying that your comment was BigM bashing. I just thought it could start going down that path here because of BigM’s name being Mike and this mystery student having the name Mike. Sometimes it happens that when his name or Exlaw is mentioned on this board things go to pot because there has been a huge rift that for some reason boils everyone’s blood at the mention of each other’s names. It’s all good though!

  117. IKELOL – i think you are off track with the Nard comparisons. I’ll tell you why while attempting to leave personal info out of the discussion.

    Ages are different
    They live in different towns
    Different hobbies
    Nard is a friend of Cass. You are mistaken about her not leaving him a message for a year – she also a message on his myspace Oct 3 as well as on Oct 28th.

  118. You’re right, Oct 3 was spam. But there’s a message and photo from Cass on April 7.

    Sorry, I’m just not seeing the connection. 🙂

  119. facsmiley

    What is your source that Nard is a friend of Cass’s?

    Could he have been a friend of Stacys? Why would Cass message him the morning her sister dissapeared?

  120. IKELOL – The Nard MySpace thing was something about people saying that Cassie lied to police about being asleep that morning. People said she lied because there was a comment to someone called “Nard” on MySpace.

    http://legalpublication.blogspot.com/2008/05/scrutinizing-microscopic-view-of-drew.html

    They may have cut you off then because my understanding is they cut anyone off that they thought was trying to talk bad about Stacy or her family.

    Here is that guy;s myspace link.

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=100050027

    People were trying to say she hadn’t sent him a comment in a year – but it sure seems like she was sending them regularly and a comment quoted on the legalpub site is not on there anymore but newer ones and older ones are. Don’t think this is a showstopper as MySpace timestamps are frequently not right to local time.

  121. Wait a minute – the comment that they posted out on LegalPub:

    28 Oct 2007 10:03

    Haha… Just Stopping In To Say Hey There Nard….Missing Ya…. Cant Wait To See Ya Again….. Love Ya’s ”

    does show up but it is stamped a different time when I look at it:

    Oct 28 2007 12:03 PM

    Haha… Just Stopping In To Say Hey There Nard….Missing Ya…. Cant Wait To See Ya Again….. Love Ya’s

  122. I wonder where Mike and Stacy had drinks after

    class? Stellas? Tailgaters? Did someone that

    works there overhear something?

  123. Heaven above, how did she get away with having drinks with anybody with him breathing down her neck?

    Maybe that’s why he was so mad that night – he got wind of it. Sucks being a Mrs. Peterson.

  124. Facs, I don’t see any message from Cass to Nard in april 7th. The only other written message I can find from cass to nard is on Dec 26 2006 3:47 AM .

  125. IKELOL – Apr 9 2007 7:37 PM – photo of herself in a hat and sunglasses (sorry I typed 7 but meant 9), numerous funny pics in March and Feb, and a written message in Dec.

    “Dec 25 2006 10:47 PM

    MErry Christmas…. Check Out My New Brakes…And Axles….STRANGE bebe ”

    Why the emphasis on written messages? Only Cass can send messages from her her myspace account and she sent him quite a few. I don’t know where you’re trying to go with this.

  126. I’m sure whoever college Mike is, we’ll all know soon enough. Either he’ll pop Brodsky’s bubble, or he’ll make himself scarce. I don’t think he’s all that sympathetic to Peterson’s predicament because he’s kept a low profile anyway. Certainly, if Brodsky didn’t know about him, he’s not anxious to help the defense!

    Besides, I still think there might be more to that little snippet than we’re being led to believe. It’s all typical Brodsky smoke and mirrors. Nothing crucial, just white noise.

  127. Man – talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. In this case and in ones like the Casey Anthony case people that are just regular Joe and Jane Schmoes are being forced into the media spotlight just for knowing and talking to someone.

  128. Hey, maybe “Mike” reads here or/and on all of the other blogs and forums. Maybe he can set the record straight once and or all, and then the news media can splash this all over the local, national, AP news circuits.

  129. Nope – I’m in central time as well although for some reason my ISP link will show up as being from DC even though my office is in Chicago. My PC timestamp is showing CDT as well.

    Hmm. Maybe MySpace somehow picks up the timezone of your ISP connection or it shows the timestamp from the server their server you are connected to. I’m sure MySpace probably has a network of PCs and may have some in different cities for performance and redundancy purposes.

  130. Stacy Peterson’s friends, family dismiss significance of affidavit
    Drew Peterson’s lawyer says mention of other man supports defense’s case

    By Erika Slife and Matthew Walberg | Chicago Tribune reporters
    1:52 PM CDT, August 21, 2008

    Stacy Peterson’s friends and family Thursday waved off the significance of an affidavit made public this week, which said Stacy had told a fellow student she wanted out of her marriage to Drew one day before she disappeared.

    “This is a tip of the iceberg,” Pam Bosco, a spokeswoman for Stacy Peterson’s family, said at a hastily assembled news conference in Bolingbrook. “There’s a lot more under the water in this investigation.”

    Wednesday evening, Drew Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, said that an affidavit in support of the first search warrant regarding the Peterson home contains a paragraph in which “Mike,” who attended Joliet Junior College with Stacy Peterson, told police that he and Stacy had drinks after class Oct. 27.

    The man told authorities that Stacy said she wanted out of her marriage, and that he advised her to “take the cash money and not use her credit cards to preclude being found,” Brodsky said.

    Stacy then reportedly told the classmate that if she were to leave, she would do it in the morning while her husband was asleep.

    “Mr. Brodsky is seeing just a small snippet of what’s out there,” Bosco said. “A lot more interviews and information that we haven’t seen or are privy to that is part of this investigation of Stacy . . . because Drew Peterson is still the prime suspect of this potential homicide of Stacy Peterson.”

    Brodsky said he got the affidavit Wednesday as part of discovery in a felony gun case pending against Drew Peterson, 54. He said it shows that by Oct. 31, authorities talked with someone who backed up the former Bolingbrook police sergeant’s claims.

    In a copy of the paragraph, Brodsky blacked out the man’s last name, saying he wants to interview “Mike” before his name is made public.

    Stacy Peterson, 23, disappeared from her Bolingbrook home Oct. 28, and state police have named her husband a suspect in a case they call a potential homicide.

    Drew Peterson maintained from the outset that his wife ran away with another man and denies any involvement in her disappearance.

    Thursday, Peterson told reporters he is confident more information will come out that will prove that Stacy left him on her own.

    “Don’t know the man. Never talked to him so I really can’t even explain, you know, really what he’s all about. Just that information came out that, you know, him and Stacy were discussing her leaving two days before she left,” Peterson said. “It tells everyone she was plotting this and she acted on it two days later. And I’m sure as time goes on—and more and more people will come forward—more things in my favor will come out.”

    mwalberg@tribune.com

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-stacy-peterson-webaug22,0,5505219.story

  131. iknoweverythinglol // August 21, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    thinkaboutit2

    Are you in eastern time? I am in central and it says 11:03
    _________________
    The October 28, 2007, message shows that it was sent at 11:03 a.m. for me too.

    But I live in Montana (on daylight savings time) … it’s 1:27 p.m. here … give or take a minute or two.

  132. Peterson said. “…And I’m sure as time goes on—and more and more people will come forward—more things in my favor will come out.”

    Yeah, we all know how time sharpens the memory :roll:.

    Dude, this Mike guy made his statement to LE in October…it’s not like he suddenly remembered some detail and was moved to come forward.

    Get real.

  133. facsmiley // August 21, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Peterson said. “…And I’m sure as time goes on—and more and more people will come forward—more things in my favor will come out.”

    ********

    So, where is this guy?

  134. thinkaboutit2 // August 21, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Nope – I’m in central time as well although for some reason my ISP link will show up as being from DC even though my office is in Chicago. My PC timestamp is showing CDT as well.

    Hmm. Maybe MySpace somehow picks up the timezone of your ISP connection or it shows the timestamp from the server their server you are connected to. I’m sure MySpace probably has a network of PCs and may have some in different cities for performance and redundancy purposes.
    ………………………………………………………………..

    I agree with you, I think they have alot of different servers spread out. When I first went to Nards page today it showed his last log in as 8 20 08,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now it is showing 8 19 08

  135. trin, why are you so hooked on Nard is BigM? He told me in person that he wasn’t that guy. I believe him.

    The first time he ever saw Cass was when I pointed her out to him at a fundraiser.

  136. amandareckonwith // August 21, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    trin, why are you so hooked on Nard is BigM? He told me in person that he wasn’t that guy. I believe him.

    The first time he ever saw Cass was when I pointed her out to him at a fundraiser.
    ………………………………………………………………

    Hey I am not hooked on anything. Facs did a pretty good job explaining why the theory did not hold water.

  137. “Don’t know the man. Never talked to him so I really can’t even explain, you know, really what he’s all about. Just that information came out that, you know, him and Stacy were discussing her leaving two days before she left,” Peterson said. “It tells everyone she was plotting this and she acted on it two days later. And I’m sure as time goes on—and more and more people will come forward—more things in my favor will come out.”

    ………………………………………………………………

    Is this a slip up Drew?? The statement said the 27th? Was it really friday the 26th Drew? Because Stacy went missing the 28th.

  138. I hope they had that date wrong on the paper and it really was the 26th they had drinks. If it was drew just hung himself.

  139. Meh – I don’t think it will be very important either way. It seems like everyone who knew Stacy knew that she wanted a divorce/to leave Drew and that the time was close. Just because Mike the CPR class pal suggested that cash would be the way to fly, it doesn’t follow that she ran off with cash. I mean, Pam Bosco suggested that she talk to a lawyer and then…she did. We know that because there is evidence that she did – including statements from the lawyer. As yet, there’s been no evidence to show that Stacy left the house willingly, much less alive and with a handful of cash.

  140. Grandam – Mike could have been called to Grand Jury.

    We don’t know since they don’t make public who is being called. From what Gatehouse has told us, reporters have to hover at the courthouse and attempt to recognize those who enter and leave. Unless a reporter knew that this “CPR Mike” looked like ahead of time, there’s no way they’d be able to ID him at GJ.

  141. kind of like Debbie Downer but instead of being a wet blanket, I just go around telling everyone they’re wrong.

    Nuh – UH!

  142. Great discussion goin’ on in this thread today!
    Thinking about something though…LE interviewed this “magic” Mike person according to J Bubsky about the exact same time the T Morphey info happened??

    Joel should really go for a refresher course….this new found info will NOT save his client IMO. If anything he’s just another witness to testify about the shi* situation Stacy was trapped in.

    No doubt in my mind that rat basta*d had that house bugged the night Stacy and Cass spoke…he knew what was coming up next and remained one step in front of Stacy’s plan to leave the home with all four kids! There is not much that will ever convince me she left that home willingly short of her standing in front of me.
    God help us find Stacy!

    “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” MLK

  143. Just to make it clear, the statement from ‘CPR Mike’ isn’t some isolated document that Brodsky produced. It’s an excerpt from the 12-page search warrant that was served to Drew and just given to Joel as part of the discovery in the gun charges case.

    The irritating thing about it is that everything before and after the part pertaining to CPR Mike has been blocked from view.

    So, there is a guy named Mike and he made a statement to LE about his conversation with Stacy on October 27th. That much is irrefutable.

    NOW, if this is the most damaging information that Joel could pull out of those long-coveted documents I don’t theink the prosecution has much to worry about.

  144. Hello everyone,

    WBBM is reporting the classmate’s name is Mike Curtain, or at least that is how it sounded.

  145. No! I wish we could get a report.

    Thanks for the last name. I was trying so hard to read through the marker – I thought it ended in ‘ty’. LOL

  146. iknoweverythinglol // August 21, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    The whole thing might be a forgery.
    ***************************

    Another good point.

  147. I was just thinking – this Peterson/Savio stuff makes people passionate about their feelings and such, doesn’t it? Some of us say we’re opened minded. Some of us say others are closed minded.

    I hope I never get so enraged that I wish bad things on the people that blog here and their families. Now, that would be an awful thing.

    It’s good to chill and think about it all. Remember who it’s all about. It’s not about any of us, it’s about Drew Peterson.

  148. Cuz, when you wish bad things to happen to people you don’t even know, you’re no better than the murder suspect we’re all talking about…..

    and we all have to post like we’re in a fish bowl.

  149. LOL, at least I don’t wish ill on anyone who is my adversary. Or at least send someone else out to the trenches to do it.

  150. So all Mike has to add is “What’s on record is on record.”

    I wish they’d asked him if he’d ever testified in front of the GJ.

  151. Very very strange response from Mike.

    I can understand not wanting to talk about it, but I was a little taken back when they asked if Stacy Peterson left on her own and he said “What is on the record is on the record”, repeating himself.

    You know, maybe this kid really does think it’s a possibility Stacy left on her own.

    They were talking about it the day before.
    He did suggest how to avoid being found.
    She did say she would leave at the time she ended up disappearing.

    Maybe Mike isn’t all that involved, or isn’t sure what to think. I guess that is a possibility.

  152. I’m sure almost everyone in this case wants to be left alone, except maybe those with book deals, or trying to grab them…

    I bet he does just want to be left alone, I’m sure the last thing he wants is to have any weight or burden put on him in this whole thing, he didn’t ask for it..

    I guess we don’t know what “What’s on the record is on the record” means really.. until we know what’s actually “on the record”…

    Thanks to Joel.. for not actually including the whole ‘record’… just a bit of it.

  153. This is just a thought but maybe Stacy knew DP had killed Kathleen but nobody would believe her over a cop, and the only hope she had was to disappear to make him stand out. In doing this she was able to get the authorities to exhume Kathleen’s grave and do a proper autopsy.

    But in order to do this she had to avoid contact with all her family and friends save one who is watching out for her. As I said, it is only a thought, and probaly wrong.

  154. amandareckonwith // August 21, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    You really are a wonderful person.
    *************************************

    Beat you to it. 😉

  155. porter818 // August 21, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    This is just a thought but maybe Stacy knew DP had killed Kathleen but nobody would believe her over a cop, and the only hope she had was to disappear to make him stand out. In doing this she was able to get the authorities to exhume Kathleen’s grave and do a proper autopsy.

    But in order to do this she had to avoid contact with all her family and friends save one who is watching out for her. As I said, it is only a thought, and probaly wrong.

    ……………………………………………………………….

    Seems like it would have been alot easier just to go to ISP and tell them the story.

  156. That would be the logical choice. But in the enviroment she was in (All the corruption that there is in this case), for all we know she may have felt she couldn’t trust the BBPD, and that there may not have been any difference with any other group of authorities

    Plus if you have a problem with local police, who thinks about going to the State Police?

    Plus look at how long this Hearsay is taking to pass, or the chance to get a proper coroner installed. This county and state do not give a person much to be desired.

    As I said I truthfully doubt that is what happened, but the classmate’s story does imply an element of fear that Casey had that is above average in domestic violence cases, if that is at all possible.

  157. If stacy had told the truth and not given drew the fake alibi it would have been different and she knew that.

  158. Those are a lot of ‘what if’s. For the moment I’m just satisfied to have the actual spelling of Mike’s last name.

  159. I wonder if anyone can get that information on the warrant now.? Gatehouse wouldn’t it be public record now?

    I would love to see how many times the story was reapeated in it about drew coming home and doing the laundry early in the morning.

  160. One point that rescueapet and lugnut brought up about discovery.

    Once a defendent is charged and is represented by anyone who is not totally useless is that the lawyer will petion for discovery. The state then has to produce all evidence that would be used in trial by both the Defense and Prosecution(Both incriminating and exculpatory). This usually takes place at least a few months before trial, and no more than a month after it is demanded by the Defence.

    This evidence can include anything that might have been brought up in another investigation if it is relevant to the case at hand, while if it isn’t then it does not have to be turned over.

    Right now what is going on in the GJ would never be turned over, but somebody who had evidence of Kathleen or Stacy testified, it does not mean that anything that had been said to authorities about the gun charge would not be turned over.

    If the classmate said Stacy mentioned anything about guns in the house, then that could have included him in the discovery related to the gun charges.

  161. Hey all, just wanted to apologize quickly for not being able to get updates online today…I was sidelined today due to a sudden but relatively brief illness (most likely food poisoning). We’ll get things back to normal tomorrow with a new thread and updates if they’re available.

  162. Just because she talked to this Mike K. about leaving Drew … how do you get to the headline:

    Attorney: There’s Proof Stacy Left Drew

    IMO
    It’s a pretty big leap based on the short paragraph we’ve seen.

    Drew Peterson says – quote – “Every day my innocence is becoming more and more clear… Police have had this for some time now,” he says. “Why haven’t they come forward with positive things on me?”

    IMO
    His innocence is not becoming clearer and clearer to me … it’s clearer and clearer that his wife wanted to leave him. But the details of how that came about are still a mystery to me.

  163. sounds like joel typed it up lol. but to me drew is drawing straws to see what sticks ….also it has been a slow news of those two dimwits not saying anything. so they must start again spewing at mouth….

  164. Looks like Cassandra talked to Mike and knows about all his discussion with Stacy.

    ……..The man, known only as Mike, told investigators he advised her to take cash and not use credit cards, so she could not be traced. And she reportedly told the friend she would leave in the morning when her husband was asleep.

    “Everything that Brodsky is reporting is wrong and twisted,” Stacy Peterson’s sister, Cassandra Cales, said in reaction to this latest news.

    Cales says she spoke with Mike about his conversation with her sister.

    “He had told her to pack a bag. Just to keep it ready so if she needed to leave at a quick time she could be ready,” Cales said.

    Drew Peterson says he doesn’t feel vindicated by the latest revelation but does believe it bolsters his contention that his wife chose to abandon her family.

    “She was plotting this and acted on it two days later,” he said.

    Peterson says when his wife returns a lot of people are going to end up looking silly, including the folks who helped build the elaborate “Stacy’s Garden” next door to the Peterson home.

    But Stacy Peterson’s family spokeswoman said, “I don’t think embarrassed would be the world. I think it would be relief if we actually saw her. It would be happiness. But that’s not where we are at this point in time.”

    And Cales says that’s where she and her sister’s classmate were when they talked immediately after Stacy Peterson disappeared October 28.

    “He was scared. We were going back and forth telling ourselves OK. But we were thinking the worst,” Cales said.

    http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/drew.peterson.stacy.2.799919.html

  165. Thank you, Rescue.

    I guess Drew was confused about her “plotting it” on Saturday and being misssing on Sunday as “acted on it 2 days later” … but maybe that’s because his plan was originally for Monday? 😉

  166. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-hearsay_22aug22,0,1786740.story

    what could this mean , anyone do ya understand this ??lol

    Blagojevich may alter timing of hearsay bill
    Law could change tenor of possible Peterson trial

    Gov. Rod Blagojevich will likely send legislation back to lawmakers that could affect the possible prosecution of former Bolingbrook police Sgt. Drew Peterson after an oversight left out the measure’s effective date, according to the bill’s sponsor.

    “The governor’s likely going to do an amendatory veto, and the amendatory veto is going to make it clear that the bill is effective immediately,” said Sen. A.J. Wilhelmi (D-Joliet). “It’s unfortunate that this got left out, but we’re making sure that the bill . . . is corrected.”

    The bill, pushed by Will County State’s Atty. James Glasgow, would allow a judge to decide at a pretrial hearing whether hearsay testimony could be admitted into court if the prosecution could prove that the defendant made the witness disappear. The bill would apply only to first-degree murder cases.

    But without an effective date written specifically into the bill, the law wouldn’t take effect until July 1, 2009, said Brian Williamsen, a spokesman for the governor’s office. He declined to comment on whether Blagojevich will send the measure back to lawmakers through an amendatory veto, adding that it was still “under consideration.”

    Wilhelmi said he hopes the legislature can reconsider the measure in September. Both Wilhelmi and Glasgow are confident the issue will be resolved.

    “It’s our understanding that this is a technicality and we expect that to be remedied in short order,” said Charles Pelkie, a spokesman for Glasgow’s office. “We’ve been in contact with the governor’s office and we don’t expect this to be an issue.”

    The measure passed both the House and Senate this summer with no opposition.

    Peterson, 54, is a suspect in the Oct. 28 disappearance of his fourth wife, Stacy, who was 23 at the time. Authorities are also reinvestigating the 2004 death of his third wife, Kathleen Savio, 40, who was found drowned in an empty bathtub in her home. Her death, initially ruled an accident, was classified a homicide in February.

    Both women had told family and friends that they feared Peterson. Stacy Peterson had told her minister that her husband had confessed to her that he killed Savio, according to the minister.

    Peterson has maintained his innocence, saying that his wife left him for another man. This week Peterson’s attorney released copies of a paragraph from an affidavit that said Stacy Peterson told fellow Joliet Junior College student Mike Kurdenok that “she wanted out of her marriage” one day before she disappeared.

    According to the affidavit, Kurdenok advised Peterson that she should take cash with her and not use credit cards so she wouldn’t be found.

    “It tells everyone she was plotting this and she acted on it,” Peterson said Thursday.

    Reached by phone Thursday, Kurdenok declined to comment.

    The affidavit was in support of the first search warrant for the Peterson home. Brodsky said he got it as part of discovery in a felony gun case pending against Peterson. His next court date is Aug. 28.

    Stacy Peterson’s friends and family Thursday waved off the affidavit’s significance.

    “A lot more interviews and information that we haven’t seen or are privy to [are] part of this investigation of Stacy,” said Pam Bosco, a spokeswoman for Stacy Peterson’s family. “Drew Peterson is still the prime suspect of this potential homicide of Stacy Peterson.”

  167. I have NO idea why Brodsky and others have made this such a front page story. Any “normal” person that knew their friend was being stalked, abused, wanted to leave a volatile situation-knowing that her husband was a COP (and not knowing about KS murder) would tell their friend to get the hell out-take any money that you can and do NOT use your credit card because he will be able to find you! Why is this such a circus! The difference is that Stacy would have NEVER left without her children!!! Stacy knew about Kathleen and wanted out-she would have never left the younger two with the idiot. IMO-he caught her trying to leave or his time was up in the house and couldn’t put up with a woman tell him what to do. Either way, HE is responsible and who the hell cares if some random friend gave her advice that each one of us would have given to a woman in that situation-take all the money that you can, take the children and get the hell out-and do not use your credit cards-duh-he’s a COP for pete’s sake!

  168. Drew planned on having her “disappear” by Monday. He knows what he did and he figured he’d have at least 24 hours. Brodsky said Drew had no intention of reporting her missing.
    If it hadn’t been for Cass, ISP wouldn’t have been involved so early on.
    I believe there is a LOT more that hasn’t been released yet, and Drew will go down for both murders.
    It’s too bad they didn’t take the carpets from the bedrooms of both homes. I’m sure they would have found evidence.
    They already know that he did it.

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