Your Thread – November 7

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  1. Good morning everyone!

    Re vindictive prosecution, I’m sure I heard that from Abood /JB way back around the arrest.

    Facs- no bonfire, just fireworks here. Fewer bonfires than before. Everything is so regulated here now, a bit safer, but usually overkill on that score. Sad. It’s even illegal for two trained physiotherapists to pick up a small 90lb person if they fall to the floor….they must use a hoist. Mad.

  2. bucket,

    Morning! Sorry I can’t help you on Mike Robinson trial. It’s very quiet on GJ as well. Wonder if danya can give us an update on both. Will check on and let you know.

    As far as GJ, wondering if they are still listening to tapes from Lenny & Paula.

  3. Good morning, everyone. Good afternoon Bucket.

    Looks like the nice weather here is on it’s way out. Brrrrrrrrr.

  4. Hiya rescue

    I think we’re not going to hear anything until it suits LE including our friend Micahel. LE thanked the news media as part of Glasgow’s statement, after all.

    There’s something on MSNBC about spotting a liar by their handwriting, so I popped over to acandyrose to inspect the will. I’m not a graphologist, of course, but according to what I learned on MSNBC, Drew can’t keep his mouth shut. LOL (‘O’s open at top)

  5. That reference to Stacy as “she’s a little girl” creeps me out.

    PIs are looking for her … even as Dr. Phil speaks.

    I wonder if those PIs have talked with Stacy’s family and friends trying to gain any insight or whether they’ve just been blogging on forums in an effort to “find” Stacy.


  6. Yes, why has he started up with that ‘little girl’ reference? Does he really not realize how creepy that comes off?

    BTW, I know that I read or heard Drew say recently that they were no longer currently using PI’s to search for her. Anyone remember that and where it could be?

  7. I think maybe the “little girl” thing is trying to sound sympathetic towards her. Damage limitation from history of saying appalling things about both Kathleen and Stacy.He’s dropped the “do you really know anyone” and tries to emphasis his surprise that she would leave her children. No mention of menstrual cycles anymore, either. He’s been advised, no doubt, as JB was.

    I don’t get the pretend punch and judy show between DA and JB/DP via Selig. Confused? you should be…..

  8. I think it took a pretty sharp big girl to move the 25k to eliminate the debt in preparation for divorce the usual, civilised way.

  9. Thank God you’ve come, facs! I thought I would go on forever, LOL.

    Hmmm. That is an interesting idea. We only know from Sharon, don’t we? So even if the transaction was not completed, if he can testify that it was discussed, and then she moved the money, that would support the intent. On the other hand this may be a bit of the puzzle already inplace with accompanying paperwork.

    We know nothing!LOL

  10. facsmiley // November 7, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    I wonder if Harry Smith can testify to a conversation about moving the 25k.


    Good thinking !

    I guess Stacy would have done that on someones advice.

    I bet that persons statements are already safe and secure with LE investigators ………..

  11. 2manymysteries,

    Is Harry Smith the divorce attorney that Stacy went to see and was also the divorce attorney for Kathleen Savio?

  12. Hi WSF. Yes, Harry Smith is that person.

    Maybe she even told him things we haven’t yet heard about, or even repeated the things to him that she told Pastor Schori. We shall see.

    He did specifically say Kathleen told him she didn’t have a Will when she was working out the financial arrangements with him regarding her divorce. Common sense would dictate that she would have specifically had one drawn up to have her assets pass to her children, or maybe have set up a trust fund of some type. For Peterson to have been able to come along with that bull crap Will he “found” defies logic, and it’s amazing that he was able to get away with all that he did.

    Hopefully, it’ll all come out and be resolved.

  13. If SP made such payment, there will be a record of it with the bank and or lending institution. No need for anyone to testify to that unless its someone from the bank or LI to verify their records process.

  14. I don’t want to sound discouraging but murder investigations such as these can sometimes take YEARS.

    That doesn’t mean LE doesn’t know who done it or doesn’t have a mountain of evidence.

    In most cases they know EXACTLY what has taken place but may need a very small gog to get the wheels of Justice rolling properly and it’s therefore very unfair to insist the State Attorney hurry up and make an arrest or complain why an arrest hasn’t been made yet ……

    Whilst we’re waiting please read a book called: “The Palm Beach Murder” by Marion Collins.

    This will give you an idea WHY an arrest can sometimes take a VERY LONG TIME, regardless what information and evidence LE already has accumulated and in the meantime give our State Attorney a break as he is working his butt off to get these cases to a proper conclusion.

    Rome wasn’t built in a day and Drew Peterson had a head start and free passes on the Legal system for 29 years.

    That takes a LOT of sorting out ………

  15. 2many – Investigations such as this can take years? Why, if I may ask? What do you base that on?

    Drew Peterson is no longer afforded the luxury of having an alibi for his whereabouts during the time frame of Kathleen’s death. He had the means, motive, no alibi, gained financially from her death, is the subject of her admitted fear of him, including written documentation of abuse/fear/stalking by him, and has been named as the killer by his missing wife by admission to at least one, possibly two, people. Maybe even gave details that can be used to further unravel the mystery of Kathleen’s death. Unless we hear otherwise, there’s no one else that’s been implicated in her death, at least to the degree of her ex-husband. If it’s going to take “years” to charge him after all of this, then, shazam, what a miscarriage of justice that is, IMO. I’m not seeing it that way, but, I’m open for your ideas. If the pieces of the puzzle complete the picture, then let him be charged and tried before a jury. At least he’ll get his day in Court, and the victim’s family will be able to finally hear what happened to their loved one and why.

    Rome wasn’t built in a day, yes, but Stacy’s life was wiped out in one. Again, a year of collecting witness statements, pursuing leads, hearing testimony by a Grand Jury, and undercover surveillance recordings can go a long way, and I fail to see the reasoning behind thinking it will be years before this is brought to a conclusion. Prosecutors have tried murder suspects with out having a body before Drew Peterson reared his ugly head, and I have confidence that he can sink or swim before a jury of his peers in this case.

  16. Rome is highly overrated… just like DP’s opinion of his “smarts” in getting away with murdering 2 of his wives.

    It’s really too bad the US doesn’t allow being hanged, drawn and quartered as one of the methods of death for condemned murderers.

    *REALLY* too bad…

  17. rescue,

    To get a clear idea why some investigations take a long time, sometimes years, I specifically suggest to first read the book “The Palm Beach Murder”

    This will give you an idea why an investigation CAN take so long despite the fact there is only one suspect with all the motive in the world and a mountain of evidence pointing in his direction.

    You say the results of the current investigation, witness statements, pursuing leads, Grand Jury etc can go a long way and that is exactly the point – it can go a long way, but it needs to go all the way and until LE can go down that path they won’t arrest him no matter how much evidence they have accumulated.

    All I can say is PLEASE read the book (no not Drew Peterson Exposed as that is just Drew badmouthing everyone on the planet and telling porkies about his time line)

    Please read: The Palm Beach Murder

  18. Re: Rescueapet 11/7 10:03pm (sorry, I cannot cut and paste yet)
    I find myself agreeing with you. I feel it may not be long before Drew is arrested for the murder of Kathleen. As to “2manymysteries” I am going to get that book you mentioned. I love Ann Rule true crime books, so I am sure I will love (The Palm Beach Murder) by Marion Collins.
    Wouldn’t it poetic justice,..if Drew were to get off on a technicality on the gun charge. Just as he turns around to leave the Court Room with a grin on his face, Police surround him to arrest him for the murder of Kathleen Savio. I can see both Drew and Joel go pale at that very instant.
    The moment: Priceless. jp

  19. Facsmiley 11/7 11:26am Re: Drew’s use of the term (Little girl reference) I come off with a whole different take on him using that term. Coming from him, The ‘Little girl reference” smacks of a true Sociopath and his virulent rage inside himself. He is furious that this so called child dissapointed him like all the other women in his life.

    He demeans her even more by calling her a ‘little girl” while all the time he relives his salacious thoughts of her. He is being deliberatley sarcastic with his terminology, casting her further into the oblivion he feels she deserves. He is still in controll of the ‘little girl.

    I hope I did not offend anyone, but that is how it comes across to me. This is a monster we are talking about. a walking predator. jmo jp

  20. 2many – Why not just post a synopsis of the relevant parts of The Palm Beach Murder that you feel so strongly about? Otherwise, to be honest, I’m not really interested in reading it, but thanks for the suggestion.

  21. especially for you rescueapet

    super short synopsis, but you’ll get the drift:

    “The shocking true story of a Palm Beach millionaire who, rather than losing his fortune in a split with his wife, hired a hit man in 1987 to kill her and then fled the country”

    Of course that tells you very little, but the life style, character traits and cunning of this man are so very similar to DP and what’s been happening in Bolingbrook.

  22. I see your little girl point,pj. I had thought similar…demeaning to her, but also in his mind it’s like she is still not going to bring him down…this person’s lying, this person’s a crackhead, Stacy’s just a little girl.

  23. It is my opinion that the coverup in KS’s death would only be good for the defense, except not in DP’s case. Now there is something to think
    about 😉

  24. PJ – For the most part I agree with your take on the ‘little girl’ terminology. Nasty and aggressive while at the same time making her diminutive and powerless but hoping that the public reads it in a sympathetic way.

    I mean, how far can he paint her as a scared little girl, when he also wants us to believe that she coldly abandoned her children to run off with some mystery man. He can’t ask us to believe that she was scheming with one of her possible paramours the day before she disappeared and dancing on a beach somewhere, basking in male attention and then say that she won’t show herself because she’s a scared little girl.

    Anyway, what is this ‘hellstorm” that she’s supposed to be afraid of? Didn’t he already make public statements that she wouldn’t be charged with anything if she returned?

  25. I remember that….JB proclaimed that LE should should announce that they wouldn’t charge her with anything after first saying that’s probably why she didn’t return….he cited the runaway bride who was charged with something or other.

  26. To Facs and bucket, you make some good points. I guess I feel he has felt that he has gotten away with so much in his (Drew’s) 29 years as a Police Officer, that he is starting to get a feeling that things are not a good as they seem. In the past, he just up and left his wives. Some were pushed around badly, (Like Kathleen). Some were scared to death of him, and just wanted to be away from him and keep their mouth shut.

    With Stacy, he had his trophy wife. He also mentioned how he had paid for all of her “Repairs”. ( how lovely a word) He felt he had her lock stock and barrel, until she got to know the real man she married. What I think his really making him very angry inside, is that there is no let up on people either looking for Stacy, or talking about her. He can’t stand that. I would venture to say, that if she were alive today..she may have ended up with a far more pummeling than Kathleen. When she went to the Pastor and then wanted a divorce, this was more than he could take. She had to go.

    In my mind, by calling her a “little girl” he has knocked her down to size. In his sick, twisted mind, Stacy never came close to knowing how the game is played like the other women in his life. By being derisive by calling her a “little girl”, he is still stomping on her, pushing her down further into the darkness. She just won’t go away, and as much as he loves the limelight, I do see him in an uncontrollable private rage over her. If everyone would just stop looking for her, and have some consideration for him instead. He wants to redeemed by the public and this is just not happening, and he is starting to lose it. His Book is a joke, his lawyer is a joke, and the wheels of justice are still turning however slow. How furious he must be.

    For the prosecution: pj

  27. Hi pj.

    Interesting post, I must agree with you.

    The Little Girl was no match for him, he smugs. He sorted her out.

  28. Sociopaths, narcissists and psychopaths are also pathological liars by nature.

    They create short terms scenarios without any correlation to each other in order to “tell the truth”

    That’s why they can completely contradict themselves from one statement to the other/one day to the other without blinking an eye.

    Speaking of blinking an eye –

    Drew was doing an awful lot of blinking, looking sideways at Dr Phil and even momentarily closing his eyes completely in the Dr Phil clip,

    Looks like he was trying to shut Dr Phil out …..

    Did Dr Phil ask such uncomfortable questions ??

    LOL – LOL

  29. basherette // November 7, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Rome is highly overrated…


    LMAO at Bash !

    Not only is Rome highly overrated, they still haven’t finished building it…….

  30. I only would question this part of your post, pj: “In the past, he just up and left his wives.”

    He really does not leave his wives. From what I’ve seen, he cheats on them until the wife gets tired of it and divorces him. He doesn’t like divorce . He’s fine with infidelities – as long as they are his alone.

  31. Yeah, and what haave the Romans ever done for us?

    Yeah. All right, Stan. Don’t labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!

    The aqueduct?


    The aqueduct.

    Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that’s true. Yeah.

    COMMANDO #3:
    And the sanitation.

    Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?

    Yeah. All right. I’ll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.

    And the roads.

    Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don’t they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads



    Huh? Heh? Huh…

    COMMANDO #2:


    Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.

    COMMANDO #1:
    And the wine.

    Oh, yes. Yeah…

    Yeah. Yeah, that’s something we’d really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.

    Public baths.

    And it’s safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.

    Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let’s face it. They’re the only ones who could in a place like this.

    Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

    All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

  32. LOL, Facs! Life of Brian?

    I love Rome. I went just this time of year 1989. The Trevi Fountain was drained and barricaded off for cleaning , so seemed bad manners to risk injury to a workman to throw a coin. I’d love to go back, especially since they’ve excavated parts of Nero’s Golden Palace and they’re open to the public. …but…no coin, who knows? 🙂

  33. I was there even earlier than that, Bucket. It was a freakishly cold winter with snow, but the romans didn’t give up their passagiatta. They just did it with umbrellas and furry ski boots.

    Here is a tinyurl to the very tasteless interview Drew and Joel did with Mancow on WLS on October 28th. You can’t download without a subscription, but you can listen for free.

  34. RE: Post by Facsimily 11/08 3:53pm: I find myself
    agreeing with your comment about Drew, As to how he enjoys cheating on his wife until she gets tired of it and divorces him. “He doesn’t like divorces. He is fine with infedelities-as long as they are his alone.

    Yes, I can see him wanting to be the picture perfect husband and Father for all to see. He is also a serial narcissist

  35. (Sorry, I hit the submit to soon). I see something else though much deeper. He really does not value women in general. Besides having to have total domination and control, there is a loathing, and extinguishing factor that he feeds off of. As much as he may want a Family unit for display, I see him
    as a stalker of his women with intent to get rid of them when they do not measure up. I think in Drew’s mind, he knows they never will. On the Matt Lauer Show I believe, it was there that he said (None of his wives ever made the bed in the morning, like his Mother did for his Father after he got up) To me, that is a very telling statement about his mental pathology. It does not make him insane, as he knows damn well what he has done in his life, but I think it gives him an out, and excuses and sublimation for any grevious act he may commit or has comitted towards women. He is for all intensive purposes to me, an extinguisher of women. We represent the lowest common denominator to someone like Drew. I think the
    Courts in time will find Drew to be the predator that he is, and put him away for life. jmo pj The End, sorry for the long discourse.

  36. J13 – sorry not a clue.

    Thanks Facs for the radio link. yuck. They’re gonna sue Geraldo? Call him as a witness? LOL.

    Joel, it’s your client who makes himself look sinister. Duh.

    I hope someone will be putting the complete DP Dr Phil on youtube. We only get v old Dr Phils. I’m sure he found it challenging to be questioned by a psychologist in front of an audience full of intelligent looking women. He said himself there were some things he “didn’t manage to clear up” with Dr. Phil. Can’t wait.

  37. Every time I hear the two of them going on about Geraldo it makes me giggle.

    As for the FSP site, I’m not sure that the organization exists any more so it makes sense to me that the site is down.

    I don’t know if Dr. Phil makes entire interviews available after the fact, but I’m sure someone will youtube it, Bucket. At least I hope so.

  38. PRNewsChannel) / Los Angeles, Calif. and Chicago, Ill. / Drew Peterson has submitted to a lie detector test for a book, sat across the couch from ‘Today’ show host Matt Lauer for tough questions and answered live phone calls on ‘Larry King Live,’ but perhaps in the boldest move yet to prove his innocence the former police sergeant accused in the disappearance of his wife Stacy appears on ‘Dr. Phil’ in front of a studio audience.

    ‘Dr. Phil’ is the second highest rated syndicated program in the US. Dr. Phil McGraw holds an M.A. degree and Ph.D. in clinical psychology with a dual area of emphasis in clinical and behavioral medicine. The program that’s being billed by the show as a “daytime exclusive” airs Monday.

    “Drew has maintained from the start that he had nothing to do with either Stacy Peterson’s disappearance and Kathleen Savio’s death,” says Glenn Selig, Peterson’s publicist and spokesperson. “He wanted to take Dr. Phil’s questions. He was invited to appear on the program and he agreed.”

    Selig, who was in Los Angeles when the show was taped late last month along with Peterson’s criminal defense attorney Joel Brodsky who appears briefly on Monday’s program, says the live studio audience members were riveted by Peterson’s responses.

    “This is the first time Drew has been examined like this,” says Selig. “I think people watching at home will find the program equally compelling.”

    ‘Dr. Phil’ is a nationally syndicated television program. Check local listings for air times and channels.

    You really couldn’t make all of this up.

  39. I just had a dreary thought…what if his media appearances continue from prison? Oh please say that can’t happen. LOL

  40. Based on the p.r. from Selig, it appears Peterson came off looking good during the show. Though in my have been trained to respond this way. Don’t believe it until I see it. Will need to tape it tomorrow and watch is when I get home.

    IMO, he is going down very very soon! When this occurs, wonder what p.r. will say.

  41. The all important phrase here being “…PR from Selig”.

    I really doubt you’ll see a negative spin on anything Drew does coming from that particular media outlet. 😉

  42. “perhaps in the boldest move yet to prove his innocence…”

    Wait. Hasn’t he been lying on national TV for over a year now?

    IMO if there was a bold move, it would be the polygraph but a flunking grade of 50% on the questions about Stacy surely didn’t do him any good, at least as far as public opinion goes.

    He could appear on Oprah with flying monkeys coming out of his butt declaring his innocence, but who cares? All that matters is the evidence in the hands of the prosecution and the case that they can build against him in court.

  43. How in the world would appearing on national TV — Dr. Phil or anyone else — be considered “the boldest move yet” in proving your innocence?

    IMO a bold move would be showing the surveillance records you had on your missing wife …

  44. facsmiley // November 8, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    2manymsteries, pardon my curiosity but are you Marion Collins?

    Or her agent?

  45. Looks like Joel has been crying “vindictive prosecution” for a while…even prior to Drew getting his guns back.

    So, is Drew not to be held accountable for any illegal activies? Does his status as a suspect in the disappearance of his wife give him carte blanche to break any and all laws with no consequences?

    Search centers on truck stop lead
    By Sarah Schulte

    BOLINGBROOK, Ill. — As the search for Stacy Peterson focuses on a truck stop, her husband is accused of police misconduct.
    Drew Peterson, a former Bolingbrook police sergeant, allegedly performed unauthorized background checks on Stacy’s friends. Drew’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, denies the allegations. He calls the investigation “vindictive prosecution.”

    “Our investigation has revealed that it was common practice for members of the Bolingbrook Police Department and employees to run warrant checks and name checks for friends, for family members,” said Brodsky.
    Bolingbrook police said it is not a common practice and said a department dispatcher was recently fired for running personal background checks. If found guilty in the job-related felony, Drew could lose his $6,000 a month pension…

  46. Peterson wants his stuff back
    Motion is filed for return of items taken by state cops

    By Erika Slife and Matthew Walberg | Tribune staff reporters
    December 1, 2007

    Attorneys for Drew Peterson filed a motion Friday in Will County seeking the return of Peterson’s property seized by Illinois State
    Police as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Peterson’s fourth wife, Stacy…

    …The motion alleged that holding onto the vehicles “is done to merely vex the owner, prohibiting him from properly caring for his minor children, thus punishing them…

    …The motion also contained a letter to Glasgow’s office in which Brodsky accused the Bolingbrook Police Department and Chief Ray McGury of possible vindictive prosecution. “The statements which are
    emanating from the Bolingbrook Police Department are disturbing,” the letter read. “It is obvious that they are very angry that Mr. Peterson retired and is getting his pension.”

    Lt. Ken Teppel said, “We haven’t seen or received a copy of the letter, and once we do, we’d be happy to respond.”

  47. I don’t know about anyone else, but I am so sick and tired of the tv talking heads having this poor excuse of a human being on their shows. It’s nothing more than being about ratings and money.

    “…but perhaps in the boldest move yet to prove his innocence the former police sergeant accused in the disappearance of his wife Stacy appears on ‘Dr. Phil’ in front of a studio audience.”

    Who in the world is Selig talking to? I can just see it now. Ladies and gentleman of the jury, you must vote to acquit my client because he proved his innocence by boldly appearing on Dr. Phil.

    This is more along the lines of Bozo’s Circus is on the air.

    If he happened to bring along his cell phone records from the time that Kathleen was last heard from until the time he had half the neighborhood find her naked and dead in her bath tub while he waited downstairs, I’ll sit up and be attentive. If he brought along his son, Stephen, and his son’s ex-girlfriend, Jennier, as his new alibis for that same time period, well, that would be bold and prove something. If he brought along financial records that prove that the money he gained from Kathleen’s death and the convenient finding of her Will are safely invested and entrusted for the benefit of her two boys, and that he has not benefited personally whatsoever in the years since her death, I’ll pay attention. If he brought along a logical and reasonable explanation as to why there was no way he could have been at or near Kathleen’s house during the hours it was determined that she died and the scene cleaned up afterwards, well, now, that would be beyond bold.

    If he gave one substantial, verifiable reason why it could have been anyone else but him that entered that house, killed Kathleen, and covered up the crime afterwards, he can boldly go where no man has before if he wants to. Until then, he can think about where he’s going to spend the next years of his insignificant life.

    Who is Glenn Selig talking to? Not me.

  48. I have this nagging feeling that with Selig involved, the three of them are pandering for a Made for tv movie offer. (Could they also be looking for a change in venue down the line Court wise) ? There is not a thing I would put past Brodsky, Joel, and Selig.

    Who knows, Joel may think, the more exposure my client gets, the easier it is going to be for me
    to file more appeals down the line for Drew, if need be. He also wants to make sure he is going to get paid! I cannot stomach any of them. jmo

    I do want to watch that Dr. Phil show tomorrow
    though. I will admit it is unnerving to see Drew, so relaxed and unmoved by all that is going around him. Joel is the one that fidgets more than Drew. lol jmo pj

  49. Re: Rescueapet Nov 9th/4:46pm

    Well said Rescue. I totally agree. Too bad you were not interviewing him! I would love to see him squirm. jp

  50. I wish one of the talking heads would ask Peterson why he’s fighting ghosts.

    Because, the last time I checked, since March 1, 2004 and October 28, 2007, neither Kathleen Savio nor Stacy Peterson has publicly said one word, either good or bad, about Drew Peterson. Unfortunately, the same can’t be said about them.

  51. You all remember the racy text message that Drew happened to find that he claims “proved” Stacy had a lover? “You my love are the hottest bitch in the world. Thanks for ridding me like a bucking bronco last night”

    The message could clear Peterson, who is a suspect in his wife’s disappearance, his attorney told the Chicago Sun-Times…..”

    “Basically, what this shows is that Stacy had a secret lover,” Joel Brodsky, Peterson’s attorney, told the Sun-Times.
    Okay, now that Brodsky stuck his neck out with this mahvelous revelation that this shows Stacy had a secret lover, how will he say otherwise if it can be shown that this was, in fact, conjured up by his client?

    This is a sentence from the handwritten Will of Kathleen Savio. Handwritten, in fact, by Drew Peterson at the time. Notice the word that should be “buried.”

    “It is also the desire of Drew Walter Peterson to have his remians creamated and burried with the remains of his wife, Kathleen Savio Peterson.”

    Hmmm. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck……..

    LOL, if Joel Brodsky can say that racy text message shows that Stacy had a secret lover, then I can say that Drew Peterson wrote that racy text message, because he sure has a way of using

  52. I wonder…How much longer can this GJ go on ? I wonder…Will SP ever be laid to rest ?
    I wonder…Will there be an arrrest before Thanksgiving ? Christmas ?

    I wonder….What is taking so long ?

    I wonder…Has there or will be there a handwriting analysis of the written will ?

    I wonder…How much longer do the families have to wait for the wheels of justice to start
    turning ?

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