Your Thread – December 8

Hi everyone. I decided to forgo the daily threads while discussion was a bit slow. But here’s a new one since the last one has quite a few comments.

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126 thoughts on “Your Thread – December 8

  1. Good morning everyone, and happy blogging! The ornaments aren’t going to put themselves on the tree … so I’ll be back and forth. 😉

  2. Hi all

    I’ve been loitering on the old thread…no wonder, noway lol.

    No tree yet at chez nous. When do you take your decorations down?I always do New Years day . I’ve had enough, and long for a good clean and a fresh bowl of flowers to start the new year. It’s traditional to keep them up here til 12th night (Jan 6th), but I couldn’t bear that.

  3. oops; I posted on the wrong thread this a.m….

    I found a movie review of Internal Affairs—
    “Avila (good cop) suspects something about Peck (bad cop) from the beginning; his influence and dominance over others seems to extend further than the reach of his badge. When officers who wish to testify against Peck start dying, the depth of his corruption becomes increasingly clear; at his disposal, he has an army of cops and criminals alike. He even agrees to assassinate a sleazy businessman’s own parents, and humiliates the businessman while they make the deal.
    In his drive to dominate others, Peck attempts to seduce almost every woman around him and is obsessed with children and fatherhood. Peck is most dangerous when the investigation threatens his territory and his extended family; he stalks Avila and turns him against his wife.”

    I smell some other kind of corruption or serial activity, maybe he can go the RICO way. If he involved others and the mail…..

    I do believe he’s done a lot more than we know. That’s probably why his old comrades are sorry they knew him. He probably sucked a lot of people in.

    IMO the jury is still meeting because they have more than just a murder charge to make.

  4. Other charges being investigated may very well be the case that the GJ is considering..One theory out there is that Steve C. may have moved Kathleens body to make it look more accidental. That is why I figure that Mary P is going to be a key witness for she was the one who first saw the body and the position it was in.Thus the reason for the important meeting between Glasgow and her.If memory serves me right I think Steve C. was called up in front of the GJ twice. Just some food for thought .

  5. givarat said:
    Mary P is going to be a key witness for she was the one who first saw the body and the position it was in.Thus the reason for the important meeting between Glasgow and her.
    *******************

    Okay, I have to jump in here. Armstrong, the Drew Peterson book writer, is the one that said Glasgow was meeting with Mary. Not one other news source, media outlet, blogger, or otherwise, has said one word about that.

    It’s a rumor and a planted idea that Armstrong started, never backed it up with any facts, and it’s come and gone.

    Unless we hear otherwise, consider it a bunch of baloney!!!!!!!!!!

  6. I know there hasn’t been any confirmation in the media. You have to wonder what Armstrong’s motive would be however to just put that info out there. Perhaps you would say so he could be the first to say he knew about it. I could see him easily predicting a meeting with family members.But why Mary P.? Eventually the family members are going to have to be updated and possibly preped. I just proposed a theory is all that would seem to make sense if Armstrong’s info is true. I don’t see him profiting in any way to just throw this info out there to be found out wrong. Maybe there is good reason none of this has been leaked out to the media. The family members and Mary P then would be hounded by media to find out what was discussed. Have you heard of any media who have tried to do this anyway ? To get confirmation on Armstrong’s story? Yet I am not trying to justify what Armstrong said yet going by what my gut tells me is going on. Also there is no other news out there anyway and there won’t be if the GJ is on break till after the holidays.So just making conversation in the meantime. 🙂

  7. lizanne61 // December 8, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    oops; I posted on the wrong thread this a.m….
    =============
    I also responded on the other thread…
    Thanks for the movie review. I think you are on to something here. Let’s hope that those who kept quiet in the past starting with Kathleen Savio have started to talk.

  8. Blago taken into custody. I have never heard of this happening to a seated Governor.

    ***

    CHICAGO (WLS) — Gov. Rod Blagojevich was taken into custody Tuesday morning at his Northwest Side home, sources say.

    WATCH the live news conference at 11 a.m. on ABC7Chicago.com

    A source told ABC7’s Chuck Goudie that Gov. Blagojevich was taken into federal custody Tuesday morning on his home on Sunnyside.
    According to the source, the governor is now at FBI headquarters on the city’s West Side, where he is in the custody of federal authorities.
    Story continues belowAdvertisementOfficials are expected to hold a news conference at 11 a.m., which will be carried live on ABC7Chicago.com. Gov. Blagojevich may also make a court appearance.

    ***

    Full Story: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/politics&id=6545958

  9. The irony of the Governor being arrested for things he said on a wiretap are incredible, since, yesterday, he was arrogant and thumbing his nose at the Feds by saying anyone can record him anytime, as though he’s a good guy. Apparently, he’s not. Yet another one bites the dust, and the arrogance seems to be what does them in.

  10. Givearat, it make you wonder who Armstrong’s source is.

    It doesn’t seem likely that many people on Kathleen’s or Stacy’s side would give the author of Drew’s book the time of day, yet he seems to have found a way to play both sides.

    I wish we would hear more about that, but I suppose the arrest of Illinois’ governor will be taken most of the column space the next few days. I guess he won’t be stuck being Illinois’ governor for much longer? 😉

    Stuck is his word, not mine.

  11. rescueapet // December 9, 2008 at 9:01 am

    The irony of the Governor being arrested for things he said on a wiretap are incredible, since, yesterday, he was arrogant and thumbing his nose at the Feds by saying anyone can record him anytime, as though he’s a good guy. Apparently, he’s not. Yet another one bites the dust, and the arrogance seems to be what does them in.

    ***

    I was laughing because he said “It kind of smells like Nixon and Watergate”. Ummm…. Doesn’t he remember what happened to Nixon because of Watergate??

  12. Hiya Bucket.

    Yeah, it’s a sad day here, since if these charges are true, he is one arrogant, absolutely stupid, individual for continuing to be foolish enough to bargain for a vacant senate seat, whilst under the watchful eye of the Feds for other misgivings. Unbelievable.

    Maybe if he bonds out, he can call former Governor Spitzer and get a little (im)moral support to help him through this, heh?

  13. Ok ay – back on track.

    I guess one of the main reasons I do not believe anything Armstrong says, or even give consideration to, is based alot on how his book was written.

    The ONLY interviews of people he alludes to are Brodsky and Peterson. He didn’t talk to the family, investigators, or other individuals, and, if you recall, he merely researched online, public news reports and articles. Pretty much, his book is based on what was already known in the public, or the spin and baloney he gleaned from Peterson/Brodsky.

    So, whatever he seems to come up with lately could very well be coming from his “inside” source; that is, Brodsky. Brodsky would have been the one to let him spin the tale about seeing a divorce attorney. As to Armstrong’s other statements, it’s no more than any of us already know.

    Nothing he has said about Mary P or even meeting with the family has come to light, and he has not backed up his statements with any facts.

    His reasons for his revelations: book sales. He generates interest, he thinks he sells books.

    Bah!

  14. From the Trib:

    “The governor and his top aid were awakened at their homes by FBI agents.

    U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald says Blagojevich put a “for sale” sign on the appointment of Barak Obama’s replacement in the U.S. Senate, and wanted to be named Secretary of Health and Human Services. The governor also involved himself in “pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting his annual sales target.” And he tried to get the Tribune editorial board fired in exchange for a deal on the Cubs.

    Ooops!

  15. Sounds like the Gov needs a high profile lawyer to spin the allegations into fingerpointing and sliming anyone involved who’s not in the Gov’s corner.

    Know of such a lawyer?

  16. As for Armstrong, I have to agree wtih Rescue. The man’s sources so far have been Selig, Brodsky and Peterson himself. If he were to report something about Peterson’s vacation plans or Brodksy’s next move I might be inclined to believe it – but I would also consider it an intentional leak.

    I’d be very surprised to see him ‘break’ anything that wasn’t handed to him by the defense team.

    In other words, if he’s trying to report something pertaining to the investigation or the prosecution I am very skeptical. Unless he’s paying for info, I just can’t imagine who would be inclined to tell him anything. He doesn’t work for a news agency. He’s not taken seriously as a journalist.

  17. Me too. Who’s going to talk to him? I think it’s particularly suspicious that it regards Mary P. She is almost an unknown….we know about her close relationship with Kathleen, and that she was present when she was found, but as far as any of us know, she hasn’t even spoken to LE, no GJ news of her.

    They would want to fish for that information. She and Tom Morphey should really worry the only suspect.

  18. I’m with you guys on Armstrong. I think that he talks about his assumptions like they are facts in a similar manner that the bounty hunter Padilla does in the Anthony case.

  19. Exactly, Facs. Some of what he’s said in the past about Peterson suspiciously sounds like it DID come from the defense. Who else would be privy to the defense playing out their case before a mock jury? Who else would have the “inside” information about Peterson seeing a divorce attorney. Funny that no hot-to-trot information like this came out before Armstrong colluded with Peterson and Brodsky to write a book, heh? Now, all of a sudden, he’s the man-in-the-know with all of the “insider” information? Yeah, right.

    I remember reading another source close to Peterson and Brodsky making remarks that were supposed to be factual, but later appeared to be nothing but rumors meant to be spread around on the blogs as though they were true.

    It’s just spinmeisters in action. Where’s Armstrong now when his arrest predictions and secret meetings haven’t come to light? I wish the guy would pack up his computer and go back to where he came from. He’s not needed to be the mouth of the Will County State’s Attorney anymore.

  20. I just heard an interesting remark by Fitzgerald.

    When you say something on tape, you’re stuck with it. When you say something on tape about others, you want further investigation.

    Tapes, stuck with it. Hmmmmmm.

  21. ….that reminds me of another reason why JB won’t be jettisoning DP. He needs to be near for damage control, if possible, as required for his own verbal indiscretions 😉

  22. Maybe there is hope – that is, no one is above the law. Like I heard said today – either get on the bus or get thrown under the bus.

    If there’s a ring of people propping up an abuser of the law, be careful you don’t get caught up and pay the price.

  23. Definitely Facs, if it was said, planned, etc, but no action, it’s still a crime.

    I wonder how he’s feeling about signing the hearsay law now. 😀

  24. Look at the length of time this investigation took. He even knew he was being watched and taped, yet continued to run his mouth and operate with pure arrogance. Sounds like someone else we know.

    If there ever was a time to for DP’s associates to roll, now is the time.

  25. Glenn Selig’s latest press release contains tips on how to write a good press release. This is my favorite part!
    **************************

    5. Be watchful of spelling and grammar.
    Nothing says amateur more than spelling and grammatical errors.
    Make sure you proofread carefully for mistakes. Run the release through a spell check program.

    “It’s not easy to write a winning press release, but it can be done,” says Selig. “Quiet frankly that’s why so many turn to us to do it for them.”

  26. Oh, Facs, that is precious. Be watchful of spelling and grammar, but uses the word “quiet” for “quite.”

    Hope he reads here!!!! He should be getting a chuckle out of his faux pas. Think this guy sums it up:

    😳

  27. Oh, and before anyone on other boards gets all hissy about grammar mistakes, be mindful that this idiot of a PR guy is the one that stuck his finger in our proverbial faces with his reasons for hiring a professional.

    What a goof. Part of the three stooges. Well, now there’s four, counting the book author.

  28. You guys really got it in for Armstrong lol. I still don’t understand his motive for making such a claim. I guess you would think that at least Armstrong would of come out and at least said his source confirmed that these meetings took place or not. Like I said though I’m not trying to stick up for Armstrong, yet it would make sense for these meetings to take place. Whether with Glasgow personaly or members of the prosecuting office. I still can’t help to ask myself is why Mary P.? Now you guys tell me there are no reports of her testifying before the GJ. Perhaps they are saving her for last?
    Any reports about who is going to take the govenors place? You would think there is an automatic appointee which I’m not sure the procedure is as of yet.

  29. I think it’s impossible to accurately guess who has or has not been before the GJ since it all dropped below the radar ages ago. We can only be sure of what has already been reported. There is also the possibility of an associated fed GJ…..

  30. Maybe Armstrongs mention of the States Attorneys meeting with Mary is just another fishing expedition to find out what information is available what Mary knows, what Marys saw, how devastating Mary’s testimony is going to be, etc etc.

    Since Derek Armstrong is such an incredible supersleuth, I’d like him to tell us the name of the Chicago Police Officer who testified for Brodsky’s good character when Brodsky had his own problems with the law !!

  31. facsmiley // December 9, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Glenn Selig’s latest press release contains tips on how to write a good press release. This is my favorite part!
    **************************

    5. Be watchful of spelling and grammar.
    Nothing says amateur more than spelling and grammatical errors. Make sure you proofread carefully for mistakes. Run the release through a spell check program.

    “It’s not easy to write a winning press release, but it can be done,” says Selig. “Quiet frankly that’s why so many turn to us to do it for them

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hahahahahahahaha, that is priceless !!!

  32. givarat – LOL, don’t you think it’s just a wee bit suspicious that Armstrong, who got into the fracus in April or May, as opposed to Hosey or DHooker, is getting “inside” information? It’s not that we have it in for Armstrong, we’re just “exposing” him like he “exposed” Drew Peterson.

    He’s trying to market and sell his book, that’s what his motive is in making these claims he has inside information. Honestly, it appears as though everything he “reports” comes straight from the defense. Whether it’s true or not, he either uses the same PR agency the defense does, or he reports it through his own websites. Marketing.

  33. givarat

    Any reports about who is going to take the govenors place? You would think there is an automatic appointee which I’m not sure the procedure is as of yet.
    ________________________________

    Hi givarat 🙂

    It would be Lt. Gov Pat Quinn. Saw him speak earlier today – he sounds ready to go if he is needed.

  34. Hiya ratty

    I was just enjoying supposing that things discovered during the various investigations merited a fed GJ as well.

  35. Thanks for that video clip, JAH. Why would he even try to take on Nancy Grace? PR for Drew? Quelle backfire. Ouch!

  36. Glenn Selig on the importance of spelling –

    I hope he gets to proof read all of Brosky’s correspondence and Press Releases, that would be a good start !!

  37. Well now – seems like Blago got the Drew treatment from the judge regarding his FOID card:

    ****
    Blagojevich, who turns 52 today, was elected in 2002 and re-elected two years ago, was arrested before dawn at his Chicago home and released after an appearance before U.S. District Judge Nan Nolan. He forfeited his passport and firearm owner’s ID card and will lose $4,500 if he doesn’t show up for court dates.
    ***

    Full Story: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-09-blagojevich-arrest_N.htm

  38. $4,500 seemed pretty cheap considering he’s charged with “bleeping” over every person in Illinois. Drew’s bonded out for $7,500 on those gun charges.

  39. I guess the National Enquirer ran something about Drew wanting to get a divorce. No new gossip or anything. The article is on their web site now:

    DREW PETERSON WANTS DIVORCE FROM MISSING WIFE

    Suspected wife killer Drew Peterson wants to get a divorce from his missing wife Stacy, but first he’ll have to prove where she is – something the police would love to know.

    Under the law in Illinois, where Peterson lives, a divorce can be granted for desertion or abandonment after a spouse has been gone more than a year – but a judge must be convinced that one party willingly walked out.

    “Until Drew can show that Stacy definitely deserted him or is dead, a judge is not going to do anything,” Chicago divorce attorney Dion Davi told The ENQUIRER…

    More: http://www.nationalenquirer.com/drew_peterso_divorce_stacey/crime/63467

  40. facsmiley // December 10, 2008 at 9:35 am

    $4,500 seemed pretty cheap considering he’s charged with “bleeping” over every person in Illinois. Drew’s bonded out for $7,500 on those gun charges.

    ***

    Facs – actually Drew is no longer just bonded out. I believe that since the case was dismissed he would gett his bond money back and isn’t considered charged with any crime at this time.

  41. I just realized something about one of my previous posts.

    Drew’s FOID card revocation was different that Blago’s. Drew’s was revoked prior to him being charged with any crime so they could still argue that his was an odd case.

    I wonder if they have ever actually tried to fight that… (I’m assuming not since it hasn’t been in the news.)

  42. If there was a very good reason for Brodsky to fight the revocation and try and get his FOID card back, I’m sure he would.

    Peterson isn’t the only one who’s card was revoked, right? Didn’t the State revoke Stebics, who’s also a named suspect in his wife’s disappearance, but who hasn’t been charged with a crime, and who was the owner of a large number of guns?

  43. Under the Firearm Owner’s Identification Card Act, a card may only be revoked for specific reasons, such as a conviction for a felony or
    domestic battery within five years, admittance to a mental health facility, providing false information on an application for the card
    and being subject to an existing order of protection.

    A card also may be revoked if the cardholder’s mental condition is found to present a clear danger to the person or other people.

    Some denials or revocations occur automatically when a person is convicted of a crime or committed to a mental facility, but others can be granted at the request of law enforcement, a family member or doctor, said state poli agency denied or revoked 26 FOID cards.

    I assume Peterson falls under the “granted at the request of law enforcement” reason, heh?

  44. The odd part was that even though Stebic was considered a suspect in his wife’s disappearance before Stacy even went missing they revoked Drew’s card before they revoked Stebic’s card.

    I don’t think people’s FOID cards are often revoked without being tied to an actual criminal charge.

    In fact, we’re learning that due to HIPAA some people that have problems requiring treatment for mental and psychological reasons are never reported to the ISP even though some of the reasons for their treatment would exclude them from being candidates for a FOID card. Some people are still able to get their FOID card after treatment and once they have them they don’t get taken away while in treatment.

    That is why I find this fact interesting.

  45. OK – there is one other thing that is really bugging me today regarding the Caylee Anthony disappearance that bothered me some time back with Stacy’s case.

    If people are out there and they think they see Caylee (or a person that is missing) why they heck are they not calling 911 and staying as close to that person as possible so the authorities can determine their identity on the spot?? It kills me EVERYTIME I hear about one of these alleged sightings. This calling or sending a letter days, weeks, or months later is just BS!!!!

  46. Rescue – that is my understanding in both the cases of Drew and Stebic. The police department sent in the request.

    I never knew that family members could send in something requesting it get revoked. I think that is something that DV victims and family members of those with psychological issues should know. The reality is that some of these people will get guns anyway but it gives you something else you can turn them in for if they are in fear that the person would hurt someone.

  47. Facs – actually Drew is no longer just bonded out. I believe that since the case was dismissed he would gett his bond money back and isn’t considered charged with any crime at this time.
    ******************

    Oh, I know. The apostrophe ‘s’ after “Drew” was a typo. I changed what I was gonna write in midsentence.

  48. I haven’t been here in a while, but I’ve got a quick question………….

    The Hearsay legislation evidently became law a couple of weeks ago. Yet there’s been no arrest of Drew. Is the grand jury still meeting? I’m wondering what the hold up is on arresting Drew for the murder of Kathleen or the disappearance of Stacy or both.

    Anyone know what’s happening in this case?

  49. Hi Molly!

    That’s a good question, what is happening with this case. We’re all wondering the same thing.

    The only “legitimate” mention of a current status came from State’s Atty Glasgow just after the Hearsay Bill was signed into law, which was that he expected a resolution in at least one of the cases soon.

    Other than that, there’s been no official statements from the SA. The only other rumors to be posted came from the author of Peterson’s book, who claims to have an inside source. To say his big revelations are nothing more than speculation is saying a lot!

  50. Hi Rescueapet!

    I heard about the rumors the author claims – the meeting with Mary P and the divorce. But one of the things I’m concerned about is whether or not the hearsay legislation required a final signature from Gov. Blagojevich, and with all that’s going on with him being arrested, if he ever signed the legislation into law? Is it a done deal?

    Every day I think this might be the day that DP is finally arrested!

  51. On the other hand…

    Public Act 095-1004

    SB2718 Re-Enrolled LRB095 05870 RLC 25961 b

    AN ACT concerning criminal law.

    Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
    represented in the General Assembly:

    Section 5. The Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963 is
    amended by adding Section 115-10.6 as follows:

    (725 ILCS 5/115-10.6 new)
    Sec. 115-10.6. Hearsay exception for intentional murder of
    a witness.
    (a) A statement is not rendered inadmissible by the hearsay
    rule if it is offered against a party that has killed the
    declarant in violation of clauses (a)(1) and (a)(2) of Section
    9-1 of the Criminal Code of 1961 intending to procure the
    unavailability of the declarant as a witness in a criminal or
    civil proceeding.
    (b) While intent to procure the unavailability of the
    witness is a necessary element for the introduction of the
    statements, it need not be the sole motivation behind the
    murder which procured the unavailability of the declarant as a
    witness.
    (c) The murder of the declarant may, but need not, be the
    subject of the trial at which the statement is being offered.
    If the murder of the declarant is not the subject of the trial
    at which the statement is being offered, the murder need not

    have ever been prosecuted.
    (d) The proponent of the statements shall give the adverse
    party reasonable written notice of its intention to offer the
    statements and the substance of the particulars of each
    statement of the declarant. For purposes of this Section,
    identifying the location of the statements in tendered
    discovery shall be sufficient to satisfy the substance of the
    particulars of the statement.
    (e) The admissibility of the statements shall be determined
    by the court at a pretrial hearing. At the hearing, the
    proponent of the statement bears the burden of establishing 3
    criteria by a preponderance of the evidence:
    (1) first, that the adverse party murdered the
    declarant and that the murder was intended to cause the
    unavailability of the declarant as a witness;
    (2) second, that the time, content, and circumstances
    of the statements provide sufficient safeguards of
    reliability;
    (3) third, the interests of justice will best be served
    by admission of the statement into evidence.
    (f) The court shall make specific findings as to each of
    these criteria on the record before ruling on the admissibility
    of said statements.
    (g) This Section in no way precludes or changes the
    application of the existing common law doctrine of forfeiture
    by wrongdoing.

    Section 99. Effective date. This Act takes effect upon
    becoming law.

    Effective Date: 12/08/2008

  52. I don’t think there’s any secret why DP’s FOID was pullled. JB alluded to it being a broad catch-all kind of category ….like being unstable and a danger to others. He will not get it back after saying his guns could pose a threat to LE when they come to get him. Then there’s taking ric Mims hostage…

  53. Huh – looks like it was returned to the gov to be “certified” and that he did that on the December 8th. I really did think that it was effective on the day the House passed but maybe that was not the case…

    12/5/2008: Senate Returned to Governor for Certification
    12/8/2008: Senate Governor Certifies Changes
    12/8/2008: Senate Effective Date December 8, 2008
    12/8/2008: Senate Public Act . . . . . . . . . 95-1004

  54. Thanks Facsmiley!

    That’s what I’ve been wondering about. I got excited, as I’m sure everyone else was, when I learned the Hearsay bill was passed on November 20 and waited for an arrest.

    But, I don’t recall seeing anywhere that the legislation had been signed and was now law. From what you’ve found…….it looks like it actually became law on December 8th.

    If that’s the case, then perhaps an arrest is coming very soon. I wonder if the grand jury still meets on Thursdays and if so, will the Peterson case be discussed and an indictment handed down?

  55. Facs – Very interesting find!! I thought it went into effect the day they approved his amendatory veto. That could explain why there was no arrest after it passed in the House. Could that explain the delay in charges being filed?? Once again – only time will tell.

    If anyone wants to see the State of Illinois website showing that status here is the link:

    http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=2718&GAID=9&GA=95&DocTypeID=SB&LegID=37188&SessionID=51

  56. bucketoftea // December 10, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    I don’t think there’s any secret why DP’s FOID was pullled. JB alluded to it being a broad catch-all kind of category ….like being unstable and a danger to others. He will not get it back after saying his guns could pose a threat to LE when they come to get him. Then there’s taking ric Mims hostage…

    ***

    I’d imagine that the ISP have other cases out there where the police filed the paperwork to take a FOID card away from someone but I’d bet it doesn’t happen very often.

    I just remember that a big deal was made about fighting for getting it back when that all went down and then all I heard was crickets chirping.

  57. This may be an innocent (naive ?) assumption on my part but the Governor would not have been arrested yet if the hearsay law was still going back and forth or waiting to become law pending the Governors decision.

    Having said that Blago obviously didn’t see his own arrest coming either ………….

  58. The Governor wouldn’t have been arrested yet if there wasn’t the possibility of him actually selling the senate seat he was taking bids for. After listening to the press conference yesterday, that was absolutely made clear. If they had let him go through with his scheme before they were ready to present everything they had to the GJ, he may have appointed someone who was willing to buy the seat.

    As to the Hearsay Law, the Governor merely signed the bill into law, he didn’t draft it or debate it. Personally, I couldn’t stand the man’s ethics before he signed ANY bill, or after he signed ANY bill.

  59. rescueapet // December 10, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    As to the Hearsay Law, the Governor merely signed the bill into law, he didn’t draft it or debate it. Personally, I couldn’t stand the man’s ethics before he signed ANY bill, or after he signed ANY bill.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I understand the Governor merely signed the bill into law, but the bill went back and forth a couple of times and without his signature the bill would still be hanging and what would have become of it then ?

    Is it another incredible co-incidence the Governor was arrested as soon as the ink was dry on the Hearsay Law ?

    I think it was the “Prince Of Darkness” hair dye that’s done him in …….

  60. JAH – I beg to differ with you about a coincidence regarding the Hearsay Law and the Governor being arrested. As I mentioned earlier, the Feds were not ready to arrest him yet. The reason they moved in on him now was because they were concerned he was very close to making a decision who he was going to “sell” the senate seat to. If he had gone through with that, that could have been disastrous. That was said in the press conference yesterday by Fitzgerald. In fact, that is why there was not yet a GJ indictment. They moved quickly and laid out a complaint of the charges. The rest will come later when the dust settles.

    As to Hearsay, they have him on tape. Hours and hours of tape. I heard numerous talking heads say it yesterday and again today – when you’re on tape saying things, you’re stuck with it. So, I don’t think they need any hearsay to go ahead with prosecuting the Governor. They have his own words on tape.

  61. The Hearsay Law wouldn’t even apply to Blago as he hasn’t been charged with killing anyone or making them “unavailable to testify” anyway.

    JAH – If I recall correctly non-action by the Governor would result in an automatic passage at some point – say after 90 days or something like that. Of course the delay would mean a delay in the final effective date.

    The only way to send it back into longer-term limbo would have been for him to veto it or do another amendatory veto on it which would send it back to the legislative branch.

    I’m not certain of this though.

  62. That’s true TAI about the non-action. Had the Gov not signed the bill, it would have automatically become law within a set amount of time.

    “Will County State’s Atty. James Glasgow, who’s sought the law for months, said, “This is a bill that will help prosecutors across the state to utilize the statements made by murder victims . .. that previously would have died with them.”

    Glasgow declined to comment on whether the law directly pertains to the Peterson case, but did say that he would “use it aggressively wherever it applies.”

    The House voted 109-0 on the bill, which allows hearsay evidence into court in first-degree murder cases if the prosecution can prove to the judge at a pretrial hearing that there is a preponderance of evidence the defendant killed a witness to prevent his or her testimony. The House vote followed Senate approval a week before.”

  63. Sorry I did not mean the hearsay law to apply to Blago himself in any shape or form.

    I meant what would have happened to the hearsay bill if Blago was arrested just BEFORE he signed off on it and it became law.

    The State Attorney also worked very hard and for a long time to have the Hearsay bill presented to the Governor whilst the Governor was also under investigation himself (!), so surely they were not going to blow all their hard work on the Hearsay Bill by arresting the Governor whilst this bill is still on his desk to be signed (!!) unless they want to sabotage their own hard work (!!)

  64. Rescueapet
    He does have big hair, though.
    * * * * * *

    You were reading my mind…I was about to ask you all if it could be an in-your-face hairpiece
    or just an eastern european cold weather adaptation.

  65. I’m sure somebody would have signed off on the bill, in the gov’s absence. It doesn’t look as if they intend to make immediate use of it anyway…

    Is it just me or is there this general air of confusion and misunderstandings on the thread today?

    I’ll admit I started it with my errant apostrophe…but it seems to have snowballed from there…or branched out…or something.

  66. bucketoftea // December 10, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Rescueapet
    He does have big hair, though.
    * * * * * *

    You were reading my mind…I was about to ask you all if it could be an in-your-face hairpiece
    or just an eastern european cold weather adaptation.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hahahahahaha, I think it is jet black hair dye – shade 666 -Prince Of Darkness

  67. The Gov used to have a finance office (to collect all that $$ he tries to extort) on the floor of the office building I worked at, and I rode in the elevator with him and his entourage a couple of times. That hair is big enough to touch the sides of the elevator walls, I’ll tell you. It’s like a helmet head – it doesn’t move.

    He’s very engaging and talkative. Doesn’t stop moving – kind of like a nervous kind of fidgety thing.

    Bah! He’s creepy.

  68. rescueapet // December 10, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    The Gov used to have a finance office (to collect all that $$ he tries to extort) on the floor of the office building I worked at, and I rode in the elevator with him and his entourage a couple of times. That hair is big enough to touch the sides of the elevator walls, I’ll tell you. It’s like a helmet head – it doesn’t move.

    He’s very engaging and talkative. Doesn’t stop moving – kind of like a nervous kind of fidgety thing.

    Bah! He’s creepy.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hahahahaha rescue, you made my day.

    Maybe the helmet hair is full of hair spray so it doesn’t get blown about in the Chicago weather.

  69. rescueapet // December 10, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Molly – don’t stay away so long. Glad to see you back here!!!
    ___________________________________

    Thanks rescueapet!

    I got thoroughly involved in the missing 2-year-old, Caylee Anthony, case and that one has been as time consuming as the Peterson case was in the beginning. But, I’ve kept an eye on the Peterson case and have been hoping that something would happen soon. 🙂

  70. Just saw that there will be a news conference tomorrow am in Laclede County regarding lady found in cement case. Here is the article…

    News conference scheduled about woman’s body found in toolbox in Laclede County
    News-Leader staff • December 10, 2008

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    Laclede County Sheriff Richard Wrinkle will hold a news conference at 9 a.m. Thursday to share information about a homicide victim found Nov. 15.

    Hunters found a toolbox with the strong odor of decomposition. When the box was opened they found a body had been partly encased in concrete.

    Autopsy confirmed that the body was a that of a women believed to be 25 to 45 years old, between 136 and 140 pounds, with hair between seven and 10 inches long. She had had surgery to remove a gall bladder, and a full hysterectomy. She had been wearing pajamas.

    A person answering the phone at the sheriff’s office said no new information would be released until the news conference. The conference will take place at the Laclede County Government Center public meeting room located at 200 N Adams Ave, Lebanon

  71. whitesoxfan // December 10, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Just saw that there will be a news conference tomorrow am in Laclede County regarding lady found in cement case. Here is the article…

    __________________________________

    I don’t think this is Stacy, as I don’t think she had a hysterectomy or gall-bladder surgery. Also, in all the pictures of Stacy, her hair was at least shoulder length.

  72. rescueapet // December 10, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Under the Firearm Owner’s Identification Card Act, a card may only be revoked for specific reasons, such as a conviction for a felony or
    domestic battery within five years, admittance to a mental health facility, providing false information on an application for the card
    and being subject to an existing order of protection.

    A card also may be revoked if the cardholder’s mental condition is found to present a clear danger to the person or other people.

    Some denials or revocations occur automatically when a person is convicted of a crime or committed to a mental facility, but others can be granted at the request of law enforcement, a family member or doctor, said state poli agency denied or revoked 26 FOID cards.

    I assume Peterson falls under the “granted at the request of law enforcement” reason, heh?

    Govenor Blago also has his FOID taken yesterday. As there is no indication of any murder charges I think it must be chalked up in the possibly crazy column.

  73. From ky3.com

    Husband is charged for death of woman encased in concrete
    by Chad Plein, KY3 News

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    » 2 CommentsStory Published: Dec 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM CST

    Story Updated: Dec 11, 2008 at 9:33 AM CST
    By Gene Hartley

    LEBANON, Mo. — Laclede County Sheriff Richard Wrinkle says the woman whose body was found encased in concrete last month was Sharon Sable, 57, of Lebanon. Wrinkle announced at a news conference on Thursday morning that Horst Sable, Sharon Sable’s husband, is charged for her murder after admitting to detectives that he did it.
    Some hunters coming out of the woods spotted the body in a black plastic tote/tool box along Highway AA northwest of Lebanon on Nov. 15. The body was dumped inside the container, which was then filled with concrete.

    The sheriff’s department appealed to news media around the country to run the story to try to generate tips on who the woman might be. Initially, Wrinkle said last month, he didn’t think the woman was from the Lebanon area.

    Horst Sable is charged with first-degree murder and armed criminal action. Investigators believe Sable killed his wife last Aug. 9.

  74. Deputies find possible remains of small child
    Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
    10:59 AM EST, December 11, 2008
    Orange County sheriff’s deputies are investigating possible remains of a child found this morning in the area of S. Chickasaw Trail and Suburban Drive.

    Sheriff’s spokesman Jim Solomons said a utility worker found the child’s remains at 9:32 a.m. and called the sheriff’s office. The location is less than one-quarter mile from Casey Anthony’s home on Hopespring Drive.

    An FBI investigator is headed to the scene.

    Captain Angelo Nieves of the sheriff’s office said forensic detectives are inspecting the remains.

    Right now we cannot confirm the sex of the child,” Nieves said.

    Check back for updates.
    From Orlando Sentinel

  75. http://www.local6.com/index.html

    Here is Local 6 story on same.

    I’ve read three different reports, all say the remains were located a different distance from the Anthony home.

    I see this story says they have not confirmed the sex of the child, but other stories have reported the remains as female …

    Closure and heartbreak for some famly. They are in our prayers. 😦

  76. Local 6 was talking with Tim Miller. The reporter said that FBI believes it Caylee.

    Yuri Melich, John Allen (of OCSO) are on site … reportedly focusing on right side of road.

    The reporter says that hearing the remains were found 4/10 of mile from Anthony home, but when you get there and see how close it really is to their home, it’s startling.

    Reported that George and Cindy are headed back from California (they were on LKL last night).

  77. This is such a mixed-feelings kind of thing, isn’t it? Most believed, in their hearts, that she was killed by her mom, but actually finding her is brutally sad!!!!

    I’m sorry to have to say this, but I do not want to see that pathetic mother’s face, that is Casey, on tv again! Or help us if her parents try to now say Casey didn’t do this, but it was the babysitter. Please say it isn’t going to happen!

  78. The reality hit me when I heard the description of what the worker found.

    DOC had been notified, the Anthony family has been notified.

    The FBI and OCSO seem to believe it is Caylee.

  79. The reality hit me when I heard the description of what the worker found.

    DOC had been notified, the Anthony family has been notified.

    The FBI and OCSO seem to believe it is Caylee.

  80. Apparently the utility worker found a plastic bag and when he lifted it, a small skull rolled out of the bag. There was duct tape attached to the skull.

  81. Don’t know how that happened but this thead is slow for me (have too many tabs open, I guess).

    It did strike me that they will try to say it was a kidnapping (because they have been this entire time). And I wonder if forensics can tell whether the duct tape was used after death … (assuming reports of duct tape on skull are accurate).

  82. Yes, I really wonder if Casey could make a confession at this point. After a lifetime of lies…is she even capable of telling the truth?

  83. I have to admit that when I heard they had notified DOC, I wanted to see Casey’s face when they told her they have found remains and where they found them.

  84. Discussing the importance of finding the duct tape (can retain fingerprints, skin cells, they can tell whether the tape was around wrists, mouth, etc.).

    Could Casey Anthony be done in by the miracle of duct tape?

    She won’t be the first.

  85. lavandadolce // December 11, 2008 at 10:36 am

    I’m crushed. I’m terribly saddened. The body has been positively identified as Caylee’s.
    _________________________________

    Hi Lavanda – hope all is well. 🙂

    Where did you see/hear that the body was identified as Caylee? I am looking online and cannot find it. Thanks

    Prayers for the family of this child.

  86. I just got out of the shower and I actually was wondering if I’d see that demonstrators had stormed the jail and hung Casey up by her hair.

    Reporters just stated that the Anthony’s will be home by about 4:30. Why would they report that? So demonstrators will know when to swarm the home? Dang.

  87. Good heavens. Casey’s #1 fan on camera saying how cruel it is that whoever killed Caylee brought her body back and planted it near the Anthony’s house in an attempt to implicate Casey.

    I guess it’s not just the Peterson case that attracts loonies.

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