Your Thread – December 11

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  1. lavandadolce // December 11, 2008 at 10:36 am

    I’m crushed. I’m terribly saddened. The body has been positively identified as Caylee’s.
    __________

    Can anyone confirm this?

    Nothing I’ve seen IDd the remains as Caylee. I don’t even think the ME has taken the remains from the location they were found, did they?

  2. Just heard Sheriff Kevin Beary on WFTV confirming only that remains were found.

    There is no confirmation that the remains are Calyee Anthony.

    (To answer my own question about Lav’s post above.)

  3. This news leaves me with mixed reaction and utter sadness. Part of me is glad that if it is her that she can be properly laid to rest and her family will have closure. It scares me to pieces that if it isn’t her that it would mean that another little child was harmed and thrown away like trash.

    I cannot believe how close this is to their home. I wonder if she drove past this spot on the way to Baez’s office each day while she was out on bond. I wonder if Cindy and George drive by this spot regularly.

    And it is unimaginable how close this is to their home and that somehow this area wasn’t ever searched.

    It does remind us all though that no matter what people do to try to hide a body, they can always be discovered. What if this guy didn’t have to relieve himself? What if this guy didn’t have enough curiosity to pick up the bag?

    I’m sure that if they do identify this tiny body as Caylee that the defense team will be working on placing blame on the imaginary nanny.

    My prayers are with this baby.

  4. Think – I think that area was under a lot of water for most of the time, and it was a difficult one to search because of that. I think they tried. In fact, I’m listening to Fox now, and they’re reporting that area was searched by the police, and Tim Miller’s people. There were a lot of areas searched tirelessly. It just didn’t happen for the good that they found her earlier. It’s certainly not that the effort was given. JMO.

  5. I had also read that there is a steep drop near this spot and lots of snakes.

    I heard on CNN though that this is in the area where she used to hang out with her school friends when she was younger. I remember people talking about that area some time ago and discussions about them wanting to check that area because people that hide things usually go somewhere they are familiar with where they think others won’t look.

  6. I think the confusion people have had about hearing that the remains were positively identified as Caylee are reporters that are quoting people that are expressing their opinions. It will probably take days or weeks for the LE to confirm the actual identity.

  7. Yes – we’re in that fuzzy area where officials are pretty sure, but can’t officially call it until there is absolute proof.

  8. Rescue – I wasn’t trying to say that effort wasn’t given. (Words sound so much better in your head than they are read by others sometimes!)

    It is more just how incredibly crazy it could be that she could have been that close and so near to somewhere that was searched.

  9. Facs – They just had Nancy Grace call into CNN to talk about the discovery. She said that she has never thought that the grandparents were involved in anything that happened. I think that, even though we are curious, the media should give these grandparents some privacy during this time out of respect.

  10. Actually Rescue the FBI said that they were going to work all weekend if necessary to ID the remains….and they were removed by the medical examiner at 3 PM…

  11. Think – not a problem at all! It is ironic that she was so close to her own home, and sad. Too bad her mother didn’t come to grips with her despicable act and fess up to save her parents and family from this incredible web of lies.

    I know the grandparents are devastated and have been from the beginning, but I would have so much more compassion and respect for them if they just would have conducted themselves with dignity and kept silent, rather than imposing their misguided beliefs on the rest of us. I know they have suffered, but to me, they carried on this media blitz to save their daughter’s butt.

    Now, they have to deal with the reality of it all. There’s no one else to blame anymore.

  12. They have just said that they are not going to let the Anthony’s back into their home tonight and they are working to get another search warrant for it.

    I took the comments that the medical examiners were going to work throughout the weekend to do an autopsy on the remains. I still think that DNA test results take time to come back no matter how fast they gather and send off the evidence to the lab.

  13. I remember Facs saying today that she watched a guy being interviewed on the live feed, who said he how cruel it is that whoever killed Caylee “brought her back” and planted her body near the house.

    Isn’t that the kind of person the family wants to reach, or wanted to reach, I should say, with their saturation of saying they believed their granddaughter was still alive? Someone like that person to get on the jury.? Hung jury kind of person?

  14. Maybe the interview was God’s way of making sure the Anthony’s weren’t at home when that discovery was made.

    If they were at home – I’d bet that they would have run down there and witnessed the chaos in person.

    My prayers are really with them too right now. They are doing everything in their power (some that I do not agree with) to convince themselves that their grandbaby is still alive.

  15. The live feed I’ve been watching said that Baez filed an emergency motion to have one of their experts at the autopsy and investigation of the remains, so it doesn’t appear that they’ll start analyzing the bones tonight, because the hearing is supposed to take place in the morning.

    As to the grandparents, it’s so sai to think that they had not one credible piece of evidence to hold onto, other than the word of their daughter that Caylee was alive, and/or the people who “tipped” then off with sightings. They chased their daughter’s nightmare wherever they could to get them through their denials.

  16. Maybe the interview was God’s way of making sure the Anthony’s weren’t at home when that discovery was made.

    If they were at home – I’d bet that they would have run down there and witnessed the chaos in person.

    My prayers are really with them too right now. They are doing everything in their power (some that I do not agree with) to convince themselves that their grandbaby is still alive.

  17. Found something about this area by her old grade school:

    ***
    SUPPLEMENT #14 – INCIDENT REPORT (08/08/08):

    with the investigation. Sergeant John Allen had assigned Deputy Manderville and I to complete a “neighborhood canvass” on Hopespring Drive. While conducting the canvass, I made contact with Joyce and Bailey Dickens at 4913 Hopespring Drive. Ms. Dickens told me that on Saturday, Ju[y 19th, 2008, she had a visit from a femaie by the name of Keo Torres, Keo is a former neighbor who grew up down the street and her parents still live in the neighborhood. While visiting with the Dickens, Keo told Joyce and Bailey that Casey called Keo about two weeks ago on the phone. According to Ms. Dickens, Keo stated that she heard a “baby” in the background and Casey was saying, “Shhhh, I’m on the phone”. Ms. Dickens further stated that Keo had told her that Casey contacted her from a pay phone (unknown date and time) and asked to borrow $200.00. Ms. Dickens said that Keo told them that she asked Casey to tell her where she was and Keo would bring her the money but Casey never told her the iocation and never called her back in reference to the money. Ms. Dickens further stated that Keo told her that Casey, Keo and some other friends use to hang out together near the Hidden Oaks Elementary School when they were younger. Keo told the Dickens’ that “If the baby was buried, it would be buried in back of Hidden Oaks Elementary School.” Mr. Dickens stated he knows the gate down by the school is unlocked. Mr. Dickens further stated that he encouraged Keo to notify the Sheriffs Office. I later spoke with Detective Appling Wells who told me that he had spoke with Keo Torres in reference to this topic.
    ***

    Source: http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestSup-No14_080808.htm

  18. Thanks, think. I heard that comment earlier on the news about a friend saying if the baby was buried, it’d be in that very area, because they were familiar with it as kids.

    I was thinking about the famous statement that Drew Peterson has made a few times. That is, Stacy is where she wants to be. Could it be that she may have said to him, “I’d rather be dead than be married to you,” in wanting to divorce him? It’s almost as though these evil people give out blatant clues.

  19. The Sheriff Beary said that the DNA tests take a week or two to come back. There are other methods for identifying a body but with Caylee’s age it is possible that they don’t have any dental records on her yet to compare to the remains that were found.

    I imagine that it also depends on what else was in that bag. I had heard on one report that there were no clothes found but I’m sure the investigators are keeping everything close to their vest.

    ***
    “We’ve got to wait about a week to two weeks before the DNA results come back,” Beary said. “We’ve had thousands of people who’ve got tremendous hearts who have come out and search for little Caylee, and this is a very tough situation for everybody that’s been involved in this case, but this is probably a lead toward that closure.”
    ***

    Source: http://www.local6.com/news/18253078/detail.html

  20. All day the reporters have been saying that “friends” of Casey’s said to search the woods near Hidden Oaks Elementary, but the only friend whose testimony I found that said it was Kiomarie’s.

    I don’t think it would take that long to get DNA back on a case that the FBI said was being given the highest priority.

    But I think Sheriff Beary was just buying time to keep reporters from bugging him.

  21. On Kimmer’s site, Bash said the ME did a visual dental comparison. (LE had the records before they arrived at the location.)

    I didn’t know whether there were dental records (xrays) for Caylee. My daughter is almost 3 and has never had any need for anything other than visual examination at dentist.

    I don’t think they do xrays for kids under 5 (?) unless emergency.

    I’m talking about our dentist’s policy, not the police of dentists everywhere.

  22. I agree and think that unless there was a blatant problem or an emergency that children that young would never have a head or dental xray.

  23. Closure in Missouri case, husband arrest in killing his wife…. here’s the article…

    Husband charged in killing of woman found in concrete

    News-Leader staff • December 11, 2008

    The discovery of a woman’s body encased in concrete by Laclede County deer hunters in November has resulted in the woman’s husband being charged with first-degree murder.

    Laclede County Sheriff Richard Wrinkle announced in a news conference this morning that Horst Gunter Sabla has been charged with first-degree murder and armed criminal action for the Aug. 9 death of Sharon Sabla, 47.

    A probable cause statement made to a Missouri Highway Patrol investigator revealed that Horst Sabla told an investigating officer that he shot his wife in the head with a handgun at Thompson’s RV Park on Mo. 64, then put her body in a black plastic cargo box and later filled it with lime and concrete.

    Sabla, 54, told the patrol investigator on Wednesday that he kept the concrete-filled box at the couple’s home on Jewell Road for several months before dumping it near Route AA.

    The discovery of the box by hunters on Nov. 15 started an investigation that gained national attention.

  24. I’ve never done DNA analysis myself, but from what I know of the technique if they have a good sample (which they do) and even already have the profiles to compare (which I think they already do from the family) and the job is jumping the lab queue, it could only take a couple of days…….treat the sample to preciptate out the DNA, then run the electrophoresis and compare.

  25. Bucket,

    Good Morning!
    Would be nice to have closure on this by early next week. Tim Miller was on both NG and OTR and wanted to search the area, but thought it was too risky with the water and didn’t want to damage any evidence that would be in there.

    Sure wish it would have stayed in BB on Stacy Peterson case.

  26. Hiya Whitey

    Yep it looks like no one did anything wrong to cause missing the remains until now.

    There’s a Grand Cross (planetary alignment) with the full moon today which portends the revelation of hidden things, and change.
    (for what that’s worth) 🙂

  27. Bucket,

    Thanks for the explanation on Grand Cross. As I came downstairs, saw the moon and looked great.

    It’s off to work, than Xmas luncheon.
    Enjoy the rest of your day!

  28. yes Noway…the FBI said that they are going to push to get the body Id’d by the end of the weekend or possibly Monday, thats what I read..they also found something else in the bag with the remains which they didn’t specify, but now they are going to research the Anthony home looking for more evidence. They are treating it as a possible crimescene…

  29. hiya q

    It hadn’t occurred to me that the deed might have been carried out at home. It’s all very upsetting, isn’t it?

  30. ORLANDO, Florida (CNN) — Investigators “absolutely” found something of interest while searching the home of missing child Caylee Anthony’s grandparents, Orange County, Florida, Sheriff Kevin Beary said on Friday.

    Caylee Anthony, 3, has been missing since June in a case that has received national attention.

    Remains described as being those of a small child were found Thursday morning near the home of grandparents George and Cindy Anthony, a spokesman for the sheriff’s office told CNN.

    Their home was searched overnight after the discovery.

  31. this is the most intriging case I have ever following. Casey certainly was a busy girl no wonder she did’t have time to hold down a job…

  32. I saw parts of GVS last night. She had Tim Miller on there and he said that there was about 3 feet of water in that area when they searched the first time and a local resident told him that the area just dried up a couple of weeks ago.

    She also had Leonard Padilla on there and gave him a run for his money making crazy faces and telling him that she thinks it is very odd that he’d spend his own money to go back to Orlando right now. She kept wanting to know exactly what he was going to do when he got there. I fell asleep and missed the end though.

  33. bucketoftea // December 12, 2008 at 4:43 am

    I’ve never done DNA analysis myself, but from what I know of the technique if they have a good sample (which they do) and even already have the profiles to compare (which I think they already do from the family) and the job is jumping the lab queue, it could only take a couple of days…….treat the sample to preciptate out the DNA, then run the electrophoresis and compare.

    ***

    It is definitely getting pushed to the top of the queue. I had heard on one of the shows (I was flipping channels a lot last night) that they did have dental records of Caylee from before. Not sure if it was just a newsperson talking about their ideas as if they were facts though. Does anyone recall them saying they had her dental records already?

  34. From MyFoxOrlando.com

    ***
    Sheriff Beary told NBC’s “Today” show that investigators searched the home early Friday after the medical examiner found “some clues that came out of the remains” that “linked it to the house.” He did not elaborate on what those were.

  35. hey, think
    Sheriff Beary told NBC’s “Today” show that investigators searched the home early Friday after the medical examiner found “some clues that came out of the remains” that “linked it to the house.” He did not elaborate on what those were.

    * * * * * *

    I thought so…. for them to say that they “absolutely” had something significant so quickly seemed to indicate they knew what they were looking for.

  36. Thanks for the info on the finding by the teens. A bomb. I wonder what case that relates to. 😯

    Bash was watching Fox yesterday, and Dr. G. did a visual comparison of Caylee’s dental records (which LE had before they arrived at the location) and the teeth of the victim.

    I’ll pull her post over here if it’s okay with her. Or maybe she’s here and reading and will put in her two cents worth. 😉 Maybe both will happen.

  37. I just so wanted my gut feeling in this case to be wrong. My prayers are with George and Cindy right now because they have to see this as proof they will never be found alive. Cindy certainly has been holding out hope based on the LKL interview I saw part of. George seemed more dejected and I think that his head already knew this but his heart wouldn’t let go any rays of hope.

    I’ll bet they will still try to fight the belief that their own daughter could do this and they will cling at the slightest possibility that someone other than their daughter did this.

    The LKL teaser says the Anthonys will be on LKL again tonight to talk about the remains found near their home. They must have been with LKL when the news broke or something. It is just really odd to me as I thought LKL was supposed to be “live”. Maybe they taped them in the morning after hearing of the news so they could get on the plane to go back home.

  38. Noway – Who is Dr. G.? Is the Dr. G. that has a Dr. G. show on cable where they go through the autopsy of some people?

  39. Jan C. Garavaglia, M.D., (aka “Dr. G”) is the chief medical examiner for the District Nine (Orange-Osceola) Medical Examiner’s Office in Florida.

  40. Regarding dental records and remains (posted by Bash on Kimmer’s):

    Re: December 1 – 11
    « Reply #1097 Yesterday at 2:28pm »

    ME did the dental check at the scene- you could hear cause at least one of the remaining camera mics was on.

    Re: December 1 – 11
    « Reply #1110 Yesterday at 2:46pm »

    (In response to a post that said the comparison would have to be Xray-to-Xray.)

    Nope it wouldn’t.

    Least that’s what the ME who was doing an in situ visual comparison of Caylee’s records with the dentes of the poor wee soul’s remains.

    X-rays of the jaw will certainly be more thorough regarding identification, but visual confirmation works in a pinch at times like this.

    Honestly, would there be so much of a fuss if LE had any reasonable doubts to believe that it WASN’T wee Caylee who’d been found?

    And now there are reports that something was found with the remains that immediately connected the case to Caylee, and that is why LE went to the house.

    Orange County Sheriff Kevin Beary said investigators searched the home early Friday after the medical examiner found “some clues that came out of the remains” that “linked it to the house.” He would not say what clues were found.

    Evidence links child remains to Caylee Anthony’s home

    By Associated Press | Friday, December 12, 2008 | 38 mins ago http://www.bostonherald.com |

  41. Thanks Noway. I watch Dr. G’s show often. I just didn’t realize that she was in the area where this happened.

    It makes more sense that the Anthony’s would be via phone. So far they have done a good job of staying away from the media, the media is being kind and giving them time to digest this information, or the authorities are somehow involved in keeping the media at bay.

  42. You know, it’s hard to watch some of the tv defense attorneys without wanting to scream.

    I just watched one on Fox who said finding Caylee’s body looks good for the defense and will help exonerate her, because it looks like the act of a serial killer who threw the body in a swamp, rather than it being Casey as a cold-blooded killer. These guys talk over anyone that doesn’t buy into their silly comments as though we’re all nuts if we don’t believe their defense theories. When he said his theory is possible, the opposing attorney said she could have put Caylee in a capsule and shot her to another planet too.

    To me, and probably to a lot of people, it’s not about getting to the bottom of the truth and taking a killer to justice, it’s all about how to maneuver the laws and get someone off in spite of it all. Yuck, blah.

  43. thinkaboutit2 // December 12, 2008 at 10:58 am

    The defense just said that an official told Jose Baez that the height measurement and hair color matched Caylee.
    *******************

    I guess that means there’s some hair left.

  44. Facs – That is what perked my ears as well. On GVS yesterday, Baden stated:

    “So chloroform becomes an issue, and chloroform can be found in the hair, and there should be hair in that plastic bag, to see whether it was — the baby had been given chloroform in the past.”

    Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465851,00.html

    The “partially skelatized” makes me think that there could also be some soft tissue left.

  45. If this statement is true, then I’d imagine the death penalty could go back on the plate:

    “Eyewitness News also learned that Caylee Marie Anthony could have suffered terrifying last moments, because of the discovery that duct tape was still stuck to the child’s mouth.”

    The following also states that there was some soft tissue left:

    “The remains that were found are not just bones. There is tissue left, which apparently is what the duct tape is stuck to. ”

    Source: http://www.wftv.com/news/18264817/detail.html

    I just don’t know that I trust what is written in the news right after something like this is discovered because they sometimes get rumor caught in with the truth.

  46. This from that same article:

    “Eyewitness News has learned a vacuum cleaner and a pillow were among the items removed from the house. The pillow and vacuum could contain Caylee’s hair and the vacuum could contain Caylee’s hair and fibers and also any residue from any chemicals that might have been used in the case. Investigators also removed pesticides and pool chemicals from the Anthonys’ house, which is less than a half-mile from the discovery scene. “

  47. thinkaboutit2 // December 12, 2008 at 10:58 am

    The defense just said that an official told Jose Baez that the height measurement and hair color matched Caylee.

    I wonder what height they used. The spokesperson for the Anthonys (Michelle B.) had Caylee’s height as 3 1/2 – 4 1/2 feet.

    I can only hope that the duct tape was put there after Caylee was already dead. If Casey was going with the kidnapped scenario, she would have made it look like a kidnapping. I’ll hope that the duct tape reveals who was involved. Clearly. With no way for the defense to muddy the waters.

  48. Dang it! Forgot my __________ … Think’s post ends after the first paragraph.

    The next two paragraphs are my thoughts (from “I wonder what height” on).

  49. I saw that part too and I was thinking to myself – of course the vacuum and pillow will have Caylee’s hair on it. That is the hard part about a crime possibly taking place between people that know each other.

    I’d imagine that the other things that may have been vacuumed up could be linked to whatever else was in that bag or dirt and ground stuff from the area it was found.

    I used to think it really was possible that the little one drowned in the pool because Casey wasn’t watching her but with some stories about duct tape being on her mouth – that just doesn’t make sense anymore to me.

  50. IMO, Casey isn’t a criminal mastermind and I doubt she had the forethought to devise a kidnapping scheme ahead of time. She’s a pathological liar who made up her lies along the way.

    I’m thinking she used the duct tape the way it looks – to silence or suffocate that little girl. Simple and brutal as that.

  51. rescueapet // December 12, 2008 at 10:57 am

    You know, it’s hard to watch some of the tv defense attorneys without wanting to scream.

    I just watched one on Fox who said finding Caylee’s body looks good for the defense and will help exonerate her, because it looks like the act of a serial killer who threw the body in a swamp, rather than it being Casey as a cold-blooded killer. These guys talk over anyone that doesn’t buy into their silly comments as though we’re all nuts if we don’t believe their defense theories. When he said his theory is possible, the opposing attorney said she could have put Caylee in a capsule and shot her to another planet too.
    _______________________________
    If her fingerprints are found on that duct tape (please God, let there be lots of good forensice evidence) his theory goes right out the window. And I’d like him to follow.

  52. Noway – I saw your post after my last one. It would be interesting to know if it was put on post-mortem. I could see your point of it being put on as part of a cover-up story. The only reason I don’t see that is that I think that she somehow would have tried to steer them into finding her to “clear her” and I’d think that she’d then dispose of her farther away from her home to help try to make her look innocent.

    God only knows what the heck is in that girl’s head.

  53. TAI2, It’s just that I don’t want to believe that Casey killed Caylee intentionally.

    I want to believe it was accidental and only the cover-up was intentional. Unlike some people, I believe in forensics and will trust that they can tell an accurate story even if Casey cannot.

  54. Well this case just makes me sick. How anyone could do that to your own child is beyond any reasoning.. If evidence shows she is guilty, it should be manatory DEATH PENALTY.

  55. Accidental? Based on all reports, she was exploring chloroform and neck breaking on the computer. Or, at least someone in her house was. We’ll just leave it at that.

    How accidental could it have been that her daughter is now dead after those revelations, Noway. Wanting to believe in her or not, she shows no remorse, no emotions about her daughter. Even if it was accident, she doesn’t seemed to be rattled by any of it.

    I doubt it was accidental, and, if so, it’s just a 5 minute problem in Casey Anthony’s kind of life.

  56. Great2bnorth, that’s where (I think) the cause and manner of death comes into play.

    I think they took it off the table when they didn’t have a body and had no way of determining whether the cause and manner of death was “aggravated.”

    If it was aggravated, I would think the death penalty could be back on the table.

  57. I think living with the idea that Casey is out of her mind, insane, is easier to digest, than a defense attorney twisting, turning and spinning the facts and the real truth into a web of uncertainty to try and get a jury panel to find her not guilty. Getting past was she did is an enormous task, but she’s still doing awful things by putting her parents, brother and friends/family through agony with her lies. She’s sick, in my opinion. What else is there to say? I guess from the insanity standpoint, it’s a personal choice as to how one judge’s someone like her.

  58. Rescue, I do wonder sometimes if the intended victims were to include George and Cindy. Some kind of home invasion scenario.

    I also wonder whether Casey chloroformed any of her friends in some test runs.

    I would imagine it’s not easy to break someone’s neck if they are able to fight back. Even if you knew how/what to do?

    Researching it to use on anyone is scary enought but it’s not evidence of guilt (unless perhaps it is determined to be Caylee’s cause of death, and there is other evidence linking Casey).

    It’s a matter of waiting I guess. Something I’m not too good at.

  59. Well, Noway, yes, researching, as in Casey’s case, various chemicals, or neck breaking, doesn’t cement Casey’s guilt. When you put everything together, like pieces of a puzzle, in my feeling, that’s what becomes powerful. That’s how I base my thinking on Drew Peterson.

    Sometimes, even one small, minor detail can sway someone one way or the other. But, in Casey’s case, there’s so much to ponder and think about.

    That being said, with all that’s been uncovered and provided to the media/public by the LE officials, it’s hard to find a shred of hope to hold onto that Casey is NOT guilty of this horrible crime. Honestly, in my opinion, one would have to reach, and reach far, to buy into any defense theories that she’s not the one responsible for all of this, and she knew full well what she was doing when that baby was murdered.

  60. One thing, though – I heard bits of Geraldo talking yesterday, and he insinuated that chloroform use by people of their young ones, such as Casey may have been looking into, is not unheard of, and in fact, happens. To subdue them while they party or have sex if they don’t want the child to stir while doing so.

    I was appalled when I heard that. I’ve never heard that this is something that actually takes place amongst people with kids. So, we’re supposed to now fall into place with this possible defense theory and give the goof a break because she accidentally may have overdoes her baby using this method. To me, that’s not an accident. That’s murder.

  61. noway406 // December 12, 2008 at 10:04 am

    They are going back on LKL via telephone I think. (That’s what I read yesterday … in the frenzy I can’t provide a source.)

    ***************

    I just saw this tease on CNN – that the parents are going to discuss the case again, including the discovery of Caylee’s body, on LKL tonight.

    Why? What is wrong with these people? Why not quietly grieve and regroup, so they can be strong for what’s coming ahead? In fact, their hired attorney stopped representing them, I believe, because they did not follow his advice or counseling.

    Why don’t they just shut up???

  62. Noway – I was wondering the same thing too – if maybe the searches were looking for ways to harm Cindy.

    I’ve seen the dynamics that happen when a grandma is more of a parent to a grandbaby than the mother is. There are lots of power struggles and guilt trips that happen.

  63. Wasn’t Casey telling a friend of hers for a couple of months prior that they were going to be able to move into the Grandparent’s home – that Cindy and George were moving away or something?

  64. yes thats right facs, I think it was Amy she told that to that her parents were going to sign over the house to her….

  65. Interesting point by the prosecution is that they were nauseated by the fact that only 24 hours after looking at the car, Dr. Henry Lee went on a national news show describing what he had seen.

    I don’t think that anyone other than the medical examiner should be able to be present at an autopsy. Otherwise people that are charged AFTER an autopsy is performed will argue they didn’t get to be there during the autopsy. It creates a slippery slope IMO.

  66. Gulp. I was thinking the same thing about Casey perhaps planning to harm someone else. I believe the google searches also included “self defense”. Would you try to claim self defense against 2yr old?

    I’d also been thinking that Caylee may have been sedated with Xanax (zanny), but she tried chloroform because her supply dried up…either couldn’t afford or her connection was no longer available.

  67. If she was dosed, that could be found in her hair.

    I asked a mate of mine who is a chief toxicologist, just short of 30 years experience, and he has never seen a child chloroformed. What some people do is use an antihistimine like piriton, but usually for long plane journeys and the like, and harmless.

  68. Thinkaboutit
    I don’t think that anyone other than the medical examiner should be able to be present at an autopsy. Otherwise people that are charged AFTER an autopsy is performed will argue they didn’t get to be there during the autopsy. It creates a slippery slope IMO.

    * * * * * *
    I’ve had a little rant about this before. These labs are accredited and use internal and external quality controls. Lab protocols are probably available for the defense to satisfy themselves; they might ask to see all the data, including the QC results obtained at the time of analysis, and examine evidence after testing if it is not destroyed through the original testing.

    What next???Will defense attorneys demand to be present at the medical examinations of the victims?

  69. bucketoftea // December 12, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    What next???Will defense attorneys demand to be present at the medical examinations of the victims?

    ***

    Hey – maybe we could make a deal.

    If the person that killed someone lets the police be there to gather evidence as the crime is happening then their team should be able to attend the autopsy.

    I understand that there is a need to protect the accused but there has to be a line somewhere to protect the victim as well.

  70. I had two 9 year olds playing with Nerf rifles while I tried to watch this, and missed more of Jane Velez-Mitchell’s show than I saw:

    An expert of some kind said there is no way to tell whether the duct tape was placed on Caylee’s face before or after her death.

    So there is no way to tell whether the kidnapping were faked.

    One caller asked about Casey making the statement about LE: They haven’t even found her clothes yet.

    This could be a big, big slip.

    HOW did Casey know that Caylee wasn’t wearing her clothes?

    Okay, to be fair, it could be a coincidence.

  71. LOL – Nerf rifles!! Ah to be young and carefree again!!

    I have recorded NG and LKL and may try to watch them tonight. My brain is wiped out though.

  72. Unbelievable – Gov Ryan has decided to apologize to the people of Illinois but yet again FAILS to actually apologize to the Willis family for their loss. (Hmm… Does he think we’re buying it due to it coming at the same time that someone is fighting for him to be pardoned??)

    ***

    I must say something that I have known in my heart has been a long time coming. And that is a truly heartfelt apology to the people of Illinois. It has been a difficult journey for me to get to this point, as I truly believed in my service to the people, but it was less than my best, and for that I am sorry.

    I want to make things right in my heart with God, with my family, and with those that I have hurt. As a former public official, a husband, a father, and a grandfather, I apologize. Even though I cannot undo my mistakes, I hope I can restore some faith in your hearts and minds by opening up and sharing these thoughts. And even though it took time for me to come to this place, in the end my goal is to do the right thing, no matter how tardy or flawed.

    I sincerely hope that by coming forward today, my words in some way might help in the healing process of restoring the people’s faith in their government and others that want to serve. In addition to damaging the public’s trust and confidence in government, I realize my mistakes had other implications and tangible effects on my constituents and the citizenry. I know that Reverend and Mrs. Willis suffered such effects — an unimaginable pain and loss — from mistakes made in my administration, both by me and others on my watch. My heart has and always will go out to the Willis family. They, like all of the people of Illinois, deserved far better than I gave them.

    – George Ryan

    ***

    Full Story: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/George-Ryan-Says-Sorry.html

  73. Meanwhile…

    Exclusive: Illinois Pastor Claims He Fears Drew Peterson May Harm Him

    After months of silence, Pastor Neil Schori says because of what he knows, he fears the former police sergeant accused in the disappearance of his wife may be a threat to his family.
    kunati.com – December 12, 2008

    (PRNewsChannel) / Chicago, Ill. / In Illinois, authorities seem to be struggling to bring an indictment against Drew Peterson—once the most talked about crime story—while the in the current “most talked about” crime story evidence mounts against Casey Anthony in the suspected homicide of her daughter Caylee.

    A interview by author Derek Armstrong with one of the possible witnesses against Drew Peterson, presumed to be a key state witness should charges ever be brought against Peterson, may offer a partial explanation for the slow progress in Illinois.

    In a new interview, Pastor Neil Schori tells the author of ‘Drew Peterson Exposed’ that he worries for the safety of his family because of what he knows.

    “If Drew did murder two wives, he’s certainly not going to hesitate in doing something bad to anyone else,” Pastor Neil Shori tells Armstrong in an exclusive taped interview.

    It’s his first major interview since speaking to Greta Van Susteren on Fox’s ‘On the Record’ program.

    Pastor Schori is a possible key witness against Drew Peterson under Illinois’ recently adopted Hearsay Statute.

    Neil Schori speaking candidly for nearly an hour, says “this is challenging for me and my family because this puts us at some risk… You know, we live 15 minutes away.”

    He says he believes Drew Peterson killed Kathleen Savio: “Oh I, I believe he’s guilty, absolutely,” so much so he told of how he had to track down Sergeant Collins at the Illinois State Police because he “didn’t get back to me right away, and I thought, good grief, I’ve got some stuff I really have to share, but they haven’t called me back.”

    When asked by Armstrong if he believed Peterson would be charged, Schori said, “Ah, there are some days I think so and some days I don’t. It’s been 13 months. It’s hard to say. I would have thought it would have occurred by now.” Rather ominously, Schori added later in the interview that he felt certain Drew Peterson would marry again “and be a risk to his future wife,” if charges are not forthcoming.

    http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=1056&z=4

  74. It just occurred to me that Selig is possibly getting a percentage of Armstrong’s royalties. After all, Selig was the one Armstrong contacted when he stepped up to write Drew’s book.

    This might explain why Selig is distributing press releases for him while also acting as Drew’s PR man.

  75. A interview by author Derek Armstrong with one of the possible witnesses against Drew Peterson, presumed to be a key state witness should charges ever be brought against Peterson, may offer a partial explanation for the slow progress in Illinois.

    What in this whole article “offers a partial explanation for the slow progress in Illinois?”

    Two reporters have been following this case from the first day, and Armstrong is the one who is given an exclusive interview? Wow. Must be superman.

  76. LOL no explanation. I note he also threw in Casey Anthony’s name to enhance his googlability. Oh, no doubt Selg Armstrong and Brodsky working “together” using one another and ultimately the victims. Cock-a-roaches.

  77. rescue,

    I started to wonder if Armstrong really interviewed Schori. Never heard anything from the Mary P meeting or update after the allege Peterson/Savio family meeting with Glasgow. There was no local media coverage of this meeting. Tried to get an update from a few local reporters, but nothing.

  78. I was told Selig gets 15% if he booked the gig. We were talking about television appearances, but that might just apply to the book as well.

  79. At one time, Selig was said to be Casey Anthony’s publicity agent.

    Considering the gaffes made by the ones who actually did the talking (Todd Black, Michelle Bart), I do wonder what happened. Then again, who knows, Glenn Selig could still have his hand in that mess.

    About The Publicity Agency: The Publicity Agency (http://www.thepublicityagency.com) represents Jose Baez and Casey Anthony in dealing with the news and other media.

    http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=794&z=24

  80. WSF – I am beginning to wonder about a lot of things myself. I am flabergasted, to tell you the truth, that Pastor Schori would pick, of all people, Armstrong to give an exclusive interview to, if that is true, when he would be familiar and comfortable with two local reporters that he could have talked to.

    Nothing he has “predicted” so far has panned out. The divorce lawyer and mock trial info he gave out were AFTER those events happened, and his “inside” source could very well been Brodsky himself. That’s no biggie!

    But this latest is garbage, I think.

  81. 😀

    This just made me laugh:

    About: Derek Armstrong broke several stories on Drew Peterson as investigative journalist, including his pending divorce plans and wrote the immensely popular book ‘Drew Peterson Exposed …

    I didn’t realize that book was immensely popular. I guess I have a different idea of what immensely popular actually means.

  82. Noway,
    In their own mind it is “immensely popular”.

    Rescue,
    I’m still keeping the faith. During the 1yr vigil, a couple of reporters spoke to Schori, but from where I was standing, seemed very short and nothing really was reported.

  83. bucketoftea // December 13, 2008 at 5:17 am

    LOL no explanation. I note he also threw in Casey Anthony’s name to enhance his googlability.
    ***********************************

    I noticed that too and LOL’d! The guy is an uttter prostitute, is he not?

  84. I’m just dismayed that Schori would grant an hour interview to Armstrong (if in truth he did).

    However, we’ve heard how tenacious he can be on the phone.

    He couldn’t have told him much though, otherwise he would have included some better quotes in the press release.

  85. Immensely popular book is a stretch, yes, Noway. I’m with you on that one.

    As to keeping the faith, WSF, I guess that’s a way to look at it, because I am saddened to think that Pastor Schori would intimate his personal fears or thoughts to this Peterson groupie. Although, it’s hard to believe anything this so-called author reports because his track record is about as reliable as Peterson’s lie detector results. You know, got some right, some not. 😉

  86. I wonder if I’m imagining it, but have we heard such fears voiced by Schori before? Long ago?
    I think I hear a faint bell ringing….maybe it’s just santa.

  87. Well, honestly, nothing Armstrong is reporting is any big revelation. Who wouldn’t be mindful of what Peterson is capable of doing to another human being having the knowledge that Pastor Schori has divulged what he knows.

    Who wouldn’t answer that there’s days one wonders if Peterson will ever be charged with harming either one of his wives, and who in their right mind doesn’t know that Peterson would marry anything that breathes and walks if they give him a second look and are in the 20’s age range? Duh. And, we all know there is no future in being a Mrs. Peterson.

    So, in that respect, the Pastor answered in ways that many of us would, except most who know what a dork Armstrong is would have leaped over his fat head in a heartbeat to get away from him.

  88. Just to quickly clear the air…I called Derek Armstrong because of concerns that I had about his book.

    I was bothered by his inaccurate assessment of me in his book (even though he only had Greta’s interview with me to assess me) and that I was saddened by some of the inappropriate pictures that he put in the book of Stacy.

    We did speak on the phone but I shared nothing new with him whatsoever. Of course, he did not share the the reason for our call in the first place, which was for me to set the record straight.

    Thanks for keeping this story alive!

  89. Thank you Neil, for setting the story straight.

    I’m sorry that Derek Armstrong took advantage of your call to do yet more PR for his crappy book.

  90. Thanks, Pastor. That clears it all up, and I can say I appreciate you doing that.

    Armstrong – what a disappointment he is. ‘nuf said.

  91. Joel Brodsky is Jesse Jackson, Jr.’s atty ??? I guess we can all naturally assume JR is guilty then no?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-blagojevich-jackson13dec13,0,6879310.story

    Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. again defends himself in Rod Blagojevich scandal[/size]
    He had no knowledge of any pay-to-play deals to get him appointed to the Senate, he maintains

    By Dan Mihalopoulos and David Kidwell | Tribune reporters
    December 13, 2008

    U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. speaks with members of the press on Friday morning in response to the continued investigation surrounding his involvement with the political corruption allegations made against Ill. Gov. Rod Blagojevich. (Tribune photo by Christopher Booker / December 12, 2008)

    U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.) went on national TV Friday in response to a Tribune report that Jackson allies discussed raising $1 million for Gov. Rod Blagojevich to promote the congressman’s appointment to the U.S. Senate.

    “I’m fighting now for my character and I’m also fighting for my life,” Jackson told CNN, citing a lingering “cloud” over his bid to replace President-elect Barack Obama. “When the process is over, I profoundly hope that the people will give me my name back.”

    Jackson repeated his defense that he had no knowledge of any efforts to help buy a promotion to the Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama. Federal authorities accused the governor Tuesday of attempting to auction off the appointment, which under state law only he can make.

    Jackson originally had been scheduled to meet with federal investigators Friday, but that meeting was postponed, according to his aides.

    Jackson did not return calls from the Tribune on Friday. A spokesman asked the Tribune to present its questions in writing.

    His wife, Ald. Sandi Jackson (7th), said Friday evening he was too tired from a full day of talking to reporters.

    “He’s out like a light,” she said in a text message.

    The Tribune reported that some Indian-American businessmen discussed donating to the governor to aid Jackson’s Senate bid as early as Oct. 31 at a private luncheon gathering in Schaumburg. The event, attended by the governor, was held the same day Blagojevich was secretly recorded saying an emissary from Jackson could come up with $1 million in campaign donations if he would let Jackson succeed Obama.

    Authorities referred to the Senate hopeful only as “Senate Candidate 5,” but the Tribune has identified that individual as Jackson.

    The businessmen held a fundraiser for Blagojevich on Dec. 6 in Elmhurst, where the governor and the congressman’s brother Jonathan appeared. A sponsor of the event was Raghuveer Nayak, a major fundraiser for Blagojevich with close ties to the Jackson family.

    Nayak, 54, is the owner of several outpatient surgery clinics, has business ties to Jonathan Jackson and has long been friendly with the congressman’s father, Rev. Jesse Jackson.

    In an interview with ABC, the congressman described Nayak as “a decent man. I like him very much.”

    He also told ABC his brother and his father supported his Senate bid yet “would have never crossed any lines. They are men of integrity—both very spiritual men.”

    On Friday, Nayak’s longtime lawyer defended his client’s character.

    “He is a guy that if he was asked to raise money by a candidate he believed in he would always do it,” lawyer Joel Brodsky said. But his client would never “do anything that smelled illegal to him, he would go nowhere near it. Absolutely not.”

    Nayak is a strong supporter of Rev. Jackson’s Operation PUSH and has taken frequent trips to India with him, Brodsky said.

    Tribune reporter John Chase contributed to this report.

    dmihalopoulos@tribune.com

    dkidwell@tribune.com

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  92. So nice to hear from the horse’s mouth so to speak! Thanks, Neil!

    Facs, I don’t think Joel is JJJr.’s lawyer , just Nayak’s lawyer.


    Raghuveer Nayak, a major fundraiser for Blagojevich with close ties to the Jackson family.

    Nayak, 54, is the owner of several outpatient surgery clinics, has business ties to Jonathan Jackson and has long been friendly with the congressman’s father, Rev. Jesse Jackson.

    In an interview with ABC, the congressman described Nayak as “a decent man. I like him very much.”

    He also told ABC his brother and his father supported his Senate bid yet “would have never crossed any lines. They are men of integrity—both very spiritual men.”

    On Friday, Nayak’s longtime lawyer defended his client’s character.

    “He is a guy that if he was asked to raise money by a candidate he believed in he would always do it,” lawyer Joel Brodsky said. But his client would never “do anything that smelled illegal to him, he would go nowhere near it. Absolutely not.”

  93. Yes, guilty as charged NoWay. I say Facs should change her name to FacTs. I was reading to fast without proper amounts of caffeine.

    TY again Facs for the facts 😉

  94. LOL
    I think I’ve had more than the proper amount of caffeine.

    Son had friend sleep over which = no sleep for the entire family. 😉

    This resulted in excess caffeine being consumed … that’s my excuse anyway. 😉

  95. A word to the wise:

    If you do want to talk to journalist, reporter or author with some guarantee that what you say will not be shared with the public, it’s best to make clear at the outset of the communication that the conversation is “off the record”.

    Of course, only a legitimate journalist will take this seriously and keep the conversation private. I don’t know that you could trust a hack like Armtrong to respect any boundaries.

    I think it reflects pretty badly on Armstrong that he attempted to turn a private phone call into a story.

  96. And it says volumes that Armstrong got all of his info about the Pastor from watching the Greta interview and reading what’s been posted online. His coverage in the book includes Joel’s opinions of the Pastor’s words and actions, as well as hefty amount of his own negative bias in describing the Pastor’s appearance during the interview with Greta. (which is laughable in the face of all the statements Derek has made about his ‘unbiased’ coverage of the case.)

    If Armstrong was any sort of actual journalist he would have contacted Schori for an interview.

  97. I hope anyone else involved, who thought they would try to set the record straight with Armstrong, takes a page from Neil Schori’s experience and just stays away from Armstrong.

    IMO he is not trustworthy.

  98. Good point Noway.

    I hope that this latest departure from integrity serves to expose Armstrong’s to the public at large.

    If there is anyone left who didn’t realize that he can’t be trusted, they should be clear on that now.

  99. Well, now, it is obvious, and it has been all along, that Armstrong contacted NO ONE to help bolster his “facts” in the book. He interviewed NO ONE, other than speaking with the suspect and his defense team. He spins the already printed and reported news, and did for his book, and he desperately puts out PR’s every now and then to make himself look credible and worthy of attention. Wonder how long it took him to get a copy of the Pastor’s conversation to the Dream Team?

    Pastor Schori just “EXPOSED” Armstrong as being a phony and biased, with no intention of furthering the truth. He’s just in it for furthering his own agenda, and that of Drew Peterson’s, and making money doing it.

  100. If I found myself badly treated by an unethical author/fraudulent journalist I daresay I might be moved to contact some legitimate media, and state my case with a trusted journalist – not only to clear my own name, but to protect other innocent parties from being misused in a similar fashion.

    I mean, now that my name is already out there…and unfairly attached to the fraudulent journalist. I’d have no qualms about exposing the fact that he self-published his poorly researched, biased book; or that he owns and runs the various websites that he ‘reports’ for.

    But that’s just me. That’s just what I would do… 🙂

  101. BTW, Armstrong has wasted no time in updating his various websites with the contents of the Pastor’s private phone call.

  102. guess he’s more like a merionette puppet – someone pulls his strings and makes him dance. A Howdy Doody dummy.

    Yeah, that’s it. Howdy Doody.

  103. It was very manipulative. At the end of our chat, he casually asked if it was ok that he told people that we talked. I said that was fine, if he told WHY I spoke with him in the first place. Funny that that never made it into the “press release,” huh?

    A friend of mine in the media called me a few days back to alert me that Armstrong was peddling the transcript AND a recording of our conversation. Armstrong NEVER told me our talk was recorded. How incorrigible!

  104. ….but it doesn’t look as though anyone was interested in buying/licensing his Drew tapes, so yours may just sink without trace, too.

  105. Neil Schori,

    Hard to believe this Armstrong. Wonder if Armstrong will respond to any e-mails on this topic. Have you called to ask why more wasn’t in the press release?

    Or, maybe have your friend in the media put both accounts in the news and see how he responds. Sure if Nancy Grace or Greta put on the air, they will ask for your account.

    On a side note, your speech at the 1yr vigil was awesome. Have been on searches and keep in touch with Sharon B. My wife knows Stacy and worked with Sharon.

    Thanks again for everything you have done. Hopefully, something good will happen after the first of the year.

  106. He taped you over the phone without telling you that your conversation was taped? Did you check with a lawyer about that, Pastor? I thought any conversation that is being taped (that isn’t law enforcement, of course) is supposed to be disclosed?

    Hmmmm.

  107. Wow Neil, I’m so sorry he took advantage of you!

    If Armstrong recorded your conversation without informing you, that may be illegal. It varies from state to state so I’m not sure.

  108. “In Illinois, all parties to a conversation must consent to its recording except in certain circumstances involving authorized law enforcement personnel.”

  109. Yeah, but Bucket’s right. No one wants to buy anything Armstrong is trying to peddle. It’s just not credible and it’s fantasy.

  110. The federal law makes it unlawful to record telephone conversations except in one party consent cases which permit one party consent recording by state law. What that means is a person can record their own telephone conversations without the knowledge or consent of the other party in those states that allow one party consent.

    It’s important to understand the difference between what has become known as one party consent and two party or all party consent. One party consent simply means that one party to the conversation must have knowledge and give consent to the recording. Two party or all party consent means that every party to the conversation must have knowledge and give consent to the recording.

    There are twelve states that require all party consent. They are:

    California
    Connecticut
    Delaware
    Florida
    Illinois
    Maryland
    Massachusetts
    Michigan
    Montana
    New Hampshire
    Pennsylvania
    Washington
    **********************

    Of course, not sure how that washes out if one party is in Toronto…

  111. So, let’s see. The only way Armstrong can get his “news” out is to write whatever his heart desires, puts it on Selig’s site, and gets it distributed to the news’ outlets, who, in turn, ignore him.

    Okay, got it now.

  112. I’ve just been told that the whereabouts of the recording device determines whose law covers the recording.

    If Armstrong was in Toronto at the time of the recording, it would fall under Canadian law. Anyone happen to know that offhand? 🙂

  113. Is it legal to record calls in Ontario without letting the other person know?

    Canada requires “one-party notification” – only one person in the conversation needs to be aware that the conversation is being taped. In other words, the person taping the conversation must be participating in it. You will find this law in the Criminal Code of Canada.

  114. Law or no law, I’m calling complete BS on what Armstrong did and total unethical conduct for someone calling himself a “journalist”.

  115. This Armstrong guy is a mess.

    Why hasn’t he reported on what the Glasgow/MaryP meeting was all about when he met with her, as he stated through his Selig PR site?

    Why hasn’t he reported what Glasgow told the Savio/Cales’ families when he met with them, as he stated through his Selig PR site?

    Why hasn’t Drew Peterson been arrested yet, since it was supposed to be any day, as he stated through his Selig PR site?

    See, this guy says a lot of stuff, and he’s full of baloney. How does he get away with it?

  116. Noway & Rescue,

    Will let you know, but highly doubt it as well. Still waiting for response back from Selig from when Peterson was on Today Show last.

  117. Neil – I was surprised to see your post. It has to be hard to read but not write on these forums after the drama that occurred when you had posted previously.

    It is a sad fact that there are people out there that make money off of other people’s tragedies. Armstrong is definitely one of may people that does this. I have not personally read the book he had written so I have no idea what he had implied about you. Most people that I have communicated with regarding this case hold you in high regard so no matter what Armstrong wrote in his book it wouldn’t change our view of you.

    It is best to not let these people get under your skin no matter what they say. You know the truth of what was told to you and what you witnessed in your meetings with Stacy and Drew. Don’t dilute that information by letting these people use you to further their money-making agenda.

    Keep Kathleen and Stacy’s children in your prayers. They are the true victims no matter what the reason for these two women to no longer be in their life.

    I have faith that some day justice will be served if there is anywhere that justice is due even if it does not happen in our mortal world.

  118. That was a nice post TAI. Really well-written.

    I wish I believed as you did but for me the only world is this mortal one. I truly hope to see justice happen – if not soon – then some day in the future.

  119. Sorta weird how when it’s been quiet we get these Armstrong exclusives. That would be handy if someone wanted to keep loading fuel onto the sinister sells/fair trial fire.

    Anyone running a book on whether or not we see another continuance for Michael Robinson on Tuesday?

  120. 😀 Just a thought …

    If Derek starts getting email after email, he might begin to think he’s immensely popular too. 😉

  121. Bucket,

    Good Morning!
    I agree. If the e-mails are negative and question the last two press releases, he may want to keep quiet.

    I think of something else to try. Have to think it over and get back to you all.

  122. Bucket and Whitesoxfan … it won’t matter what you say, he’ll twist it and spin it. (I received hundred of emails after my story on NS broke!)

    He will only quote the email that were positive but will count all of them.

    My vote is to ignore him and hope he goes away. Of course, he’ll probably just rehash something old or make up something new with the help of JB. 🙄

  123. noway,

    My brain is a bit foggy this morning, what story are you refering to?

    ( I received hundred of emails after my story on NS broke!)

    Thanks!

  124. Any info this pastor had that might be related or might help locate SP definately should have been shared by him – to the authorities.

    When someone shares things with their pastor it should stay between them. Once the info was turned over to LE I think it was highly improper to start sharing with the media or anyone else.

    There are protocols that were disregarded and for some reason or another, continue to be disregarded.

    Why?

    Frankly, I would not turn to a pastor who is known to not be able to keep things in confidence. The info could have easily and simply been turned over to the proper channel (LE) and not a word of it further.

    Just something to think ask yourself.

  125. What’s the matter? The Pastor didn’t do anything wrong. Someone else did….murdered Kathleen and someone caused Stacy to “vanish.”

    The pastor hasn’t “granted an interview” to Derek Armstrong. He’s cooperated with LE and the GJ and told them everything.

    I think everybody around here is used to seeing attempts to discredit important witnesses…. *yawn*

  126. Cheers, Bucket. It’s getting real old that everyone but the suspect in Stacy’s disappearance gets dragged over the coals. Him and his pathetic entourage. Glad you said it.

    Enough said.

  127. HELLO everyone , long time not see lol what has been going on with the drewpy case anything new , NOWAY where have ya been hiding lol , I wish they would arrest drew know before xmas , what is going on with the case ???

  128. facsmiley // December 14, 2008 at 10:17 am

    I think Noway is showing how Armstrong would spin the story of receiving emails. NS = Neil Schori.
    __________
    Facs is right, that’s what I was trying to do. 🙂 Sorry, whitesoxfan.

    I would just say to everyone involved in the case, don’t worry about what Camp Marshmallow has said about you. Hang tough and the truth will come out.

    Borrow the term Camp Marshmallow from, I believe, Susan Murphy-Milano …

  129. Bush dodges a shoe (make that two) on his farewell tour. (Reporter says that in the Arab world, shoe flinging is a gesture of extreme disrespect.)

  130. Attempts to discredit witnesses always end up looking…like just that. We’ve all been following this case too long to bother with pointless discussions about what if, woulda, shoulda, coulda…

    As Noway said, hang tough. The truth is there and when it’s time to tell it, it will get told.

  131. Good catch and thanks for taking the time to point it out. The inverted
    letter has been corrected.
    Of course, as you probably already know, spell check doesn’t work for
    correctly spelled words that out of context. But clearly one of the humans
    here should have caught the typo.
    Look, even the New York Times makes mistakes. Though we try, we are not
    infallible!
    Thanks for pointing out the error.
    PRNewsChannel.com

    December 10 email. 😀

  132. noway406 // December 14, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Good catch and thanks for taking the time to point it out. The inverted
    letter has been corrected.
    Of course, as you probably already know, spell check doesn’t work for
    correctly spelled words that out of context. But clearly one of the humans
    here should have caught the typo.
    Look, even the New York Times makes mistakes. Though we try, we are not
    infallible!
    Thanks for pointing out the error.
    PRNewsChannel.com

    December 10 email.

    ***

    Hahaha! Shouldn’t that be “spell check doesn’t work for correctly spelled words that ARE out of context?? I’d think that most PR companies would have spell check AND grammar check to catch those things!!

  133. …especially when the last paragraph reads:

    “5. Be watchful of spelling and grammar.
    Nothing says amateur more than spelling and grammatical errors. “

  134. Givarat, AFAIK, Raghuveer Nayak is one of Brodsky’s commercial clients from his pre-Drew defense days.

    Too bad, Noway. It was much funnier when the error was intact.

  135. I’ll just take comfort in the knowledge that it was probably emailed out to many many people in its original ridiculous form!

  136. Pearlsgirl, it’s rumored that the GJ is not meeting until 2009.

    I don’t know that I’ve ever seen it officially stated . . .

    And it is very possible that Casey used some piece of Caylee’s bedding and then replaced it during her shopping trips to JCP and Target (those are the only ones I can think of).

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