Drew Peterson case has a new judge


From WGN/Tribune Breaking News Center:

Prosecutors get new judge in Peterson case
May 21, 2009 2:26 PM

Will County Chief Judge Gerald Kinney today allowed prosecutors to replace a judge in the Drew Peterson murder case, saying the defense had not established a pattern of abuse by the state of its right to replace judges.

“I do not find that this has been established by the defense’s response,” Kinney said during a hearing held at the Will County courthouse.

Prosecutors had filed a motion to replace Judge Richard Schoenstedt, arguing he was prejudiced against the state.

Kinney assigned the case to Judge Carla Alessio Policandriotes — at which point Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, said he wanted to replace that judge. But after a brief recess, Brodsky withdrew his request.

A hearing with the new judge is scheduled for 1:30 p.m. Friday.

UPDATE: REMAINS FOUND NEAR DES PLAINES RIVER REMAIN UNIDENTIFIED – CORONER’s STATEMENT
coroners-statement

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157 thoughts on “Drew Peterson case has a new judge

  1. thinkaboutit2 Says:
    May 21, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Every single time Joel does stupid crap like this it just means that Drew has a bigger chance of winning an appeal on grounds of ineffective counsel if he is convicted.

    Shouldn’t Joel have done his homework and read up on the various judges that could potentially be assigned so he didn’t end up looking like an ass by filing a motion and then immediately appealing it?? WTF?

    No kidding. He looks like a moron.

  2. I’m not sure what it will take Drew to win an appeal on grounds of ineffective counsel, but I think he’d have to go through a full trial first before he can argue that point. How can he argue incompetent counsel, when he had plenty of time to change or look into new counsel before even going to trial. That’s kind of putting the cart before the horse, isn’t it?

    Of course, any guilty decision warrants an automatic appeal. In that case, he will have new counsel. He’ll be just fine. He’ll get his due process.

  3. I think the never heard before evidence will be saved for the bond reduction hearing as reasons not to reduce the bond. That was my understanding.

  4. http://www.illinoisjudges.net/profile_rc12_policandriotes.htm

    Hon. Carla Alessio Policandriotes

    For Judicial Retention – Circuit Judge – Twelfth Circuit

    Current Judicial Assignment: Circuit Judge – 12th Circuit – Will County – Criminal Felony Division

    Campaign Financial Disclosure: No Committee Filed With State Board of Elections

    Response to ICJL Questionnaire – The ICJL publishes unedited questionnaire responses provided directly from the judicial retention candidate. If this link is inactive, the candidate has not yet provided a response.

    – “Yes” for Retention is endorsed by the Chicago Tribune

    – Rated “Recommended” by the Illinois State Bar Association

    Meets Requirements: 87.57
    Integrity: 89.01
    Impartiality: 85.71
    Legal Ability: 90.11
    Temperament: 89.94
    Court Management: 95.56
    Health: 97.78
    Sensitivity: 91.16

  5. LOL, it kinda reminds me of this scenario when thinking Drew will cry foul about his legal representation.

    “It hurts when I turn my head.”

    “Then, don’t turn your head.”

    Well, you get the idea…….

    😉

  6. Noway – seems so, but who can predict what he’ll do. He sure is erratic. Least he didn’t chain himself to the defense table in protest.

    I suppose he might have thought twice about asking for a change in the newly appointed judge, without having any reason for doing so other than being in the midst of a hissy fit when hearing the State was granted its motion.

  7. Rescue –

    1) Yes – I am intentionally getting ahead of myself knowing that the ineffective counsel arguement comes AFTER conviction. I’m just saying that means this case will drag on yet again and if he gets bond it is that much longer he could be outside of the prison walls.

    2) There is only an automatic appeal if there is a conviction in a death penalty case. It isn’t automatic in a regular murder case that I’m aware of. The person has to get a judge to agree to their argument of why they deserve another chance at trial.

  8. Noway – I think you are right. I think if there is a tactic here it is give this new judge today to see if she’ll decrease the bail and then do the change of judge motion tomorrow so his client doesn’t have to sit in waiting yet again.

    He should have been prepared for this IMO. He’s too cocky thinking things are just going to happen becuase he wants it to.

  9. Brodsky press conference about judge: She’s fair minded and fair handed. That’s “where they stand today.”

    So, he shot off his mouth before he got this information first, heh?

    Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  10. LOL, … I know I was having trouble keeping the judges straight but it wasn’t my client’s life that was in their hands. Geesh.

    They’re like the losing family on Family Feud trying to decide last-second what their answer will be and shouting out gibberish.

  11. It’s a bit mindblowing that the only reason for preventing the removal of Schoenstadt by the prosecutors’ request is abuse of the practice, and the first thing Brodsky does is attempt to abuse it himself. That looks pretty out of touch. Lithium anyone?

  12. I am dreaming of a news article tonight, describing a red face, veins popping out of his neck, asking someone if they have a chain he can use to attach himself to the table……

  13. 2002-03-22-The order of protection [Kathleen Savio’s case] is dismissed. Judge: Carla Policandriotes
    ———
    Is it why Brodsky withdrew the motion?

  14. I believe Kathleen is the one that requested that the order be dismissed. Isn’t that the instance where she did so so as not to cause problems for DiP’s job, etc.? It’s just the judge signing off on the request to dismiss, I would think.

    Besides, doesn’t every judge there have history with DiP? He did have arrests, etc., before the criminal judges, no?

  15. This is from an earlier blog:

    Savio’s divorce attorney has said his client dropped the order during the couple’s divorce settlement so that Peterson would not risk losing his insurance while Stacy Cales – soon to be Stacy Peterson – was pregnant.

    “[Drew Peterson] did have numerous restraining orders on him from Kathleen [Savio] that he would have lost his job on, were it not for Kathy’s kind heart to drop those charges because of their unborn child,” Bosco said.

  16. Wow Cyrhla – Do you think Drew thought he won the judge over to get the order dismissed? Does anyone know if Kathleen just didn’t fight to have it continued or if something else resulted in it being dismissed.

    I’d think this judge would have to recuse themself.

    So then Brodsky would not have to lose one of his two judge throw-out options.

  17. WBBM has said that coroner Patrick O’Neil cannot say whether or not the body was severed before or after death. I could swear they also said they could not tell the sex or race of the person. He said that the DNA tests could take over two weeks. They also said that there will be a hearing tomorrow regarding the bond.

  18. Coroner: Autopsy On Human Remains Inconclusive

    Regine Schlesinger Reporting
    JOLIET, Ill. (AP/WBBM/STNG) – The Will County coroner says results are inconclusive from an autopsy performed on human remains found along the Des Plaines River.

    SEE THE OFFICIAL RELEASE HERE > http://www.wbbm780.com/pages/4446224.php

    Coroner Patrick O’Neil said in a news release Thursday that his office is unable to conclude the identity, race or sex of the skeletal remains. O’Neil says an expedited DNA analysis by the Illinois State Police Forensic Crime Laboratory will likely take about two weeks.

    Members of a cleanup crew found the remains Wednesday afternoon. The discovery prompted speculation the remains were related to the local long-running, high-profile missing persons cases of Stacy Peterson or Lisa Stebic.

    The coroner says shreds of blue jeans and a small amount of U.S. currency were found along with the remains.

    Police aren’t commenting on speculation it could be either Stacy Peterson or Lisa Stebic.

  19. Thanks for this document, TAI. Very interesting.

    I have nothing against Carla Policandriotes. In the former thread I mentioned I can remember her name from KS’s issues and I know dismissing the case was K’s idea after negotiations with Drew.

    I wonder if Brodsky (and his advisors) can remember it ? 😉 Forgotten to but LOL at my comment. Sorry. It could suggest something what I did not have on my mind.

  20. O’Neil couldn’t even determine the sex of the remains? From the pelvis?

    Why is he still the coroner?

    They need to call back Dr. Blum so that he can do the autopsy.

    I put NO FAITH in ANYTHING O’Neil says or does.

  21. Myabelle – with all due respect, he did not do the autopsy. Again, I was told by someone that the body was being processed by competent people. O’Neil is, I believe, merely saying it can’t officially be determined the sex of the remains.

  22. Myabelle – I was wondering the same thing. Why not have an expert forensic medical examiner look at these remains. There are two very high profile cases here and screwing up the autopsy will prove to be a serious detriment to this case.

  23. Thank you, rescue. Knowing that you have heard from “someone in the know” makes me feel MUCH better.

    I just do not trust that man or anything that comes out of his mouth.

    Both of these cases (Stacy’s and Lisa’s) are way too important to be left to the likes of him to determine anything official.

  24. Okay, I have a question about using the pelvis as a gender identifier.

    I know that they can tell from the pelvis if it is a female who has given birth prior to her death.

    Are those changes to the pelvis also visible even if a woman has had a C-section?

    As I recall, Stacy had a C-section for both of her children.

  25. Oh – You must have been posting at the same time I was Rescue. I surely hope they have top-notch, qualified forensic medical examiners look at these remains. It doesn’t seem like it is the final report though so they could still fill in some blanks later.

  26. Myabelle – I’ve heard reports that the hairline fractures occur in the pelvic bones during pregnancy whether or not you had a c-section.

  27. TAI, thanks for the info about the hairline fractures. I guess I need to do some reading on forensic anthropology.

  28. Remember, too, with all due respect, that Kathleen’s second (official) autopsy was processed in the same office, same staff as these remains were. They found her death was by homicide. Either they are competent or not.

    I don’t doubt that they may “know” things about the body by observation, maybe, but until they have official DNA, wouldn’t it be better to play dumb, rather than risk jumping the gun, for the defense to pick apart later? Doesn’t mean they’re incompetent.

    Just trying to be logical and calm myself.

  29. I’m sure they are going to be conservative in their statements about this body until they are 100% sure of an ID. What they say at this point is very important and would undoubtedly have legal ramifications.

  30. I haven’t been doing reading – just had a radio station or two on in the background. Dr. Baden was on one of them so his was pretty detailed compared to the regular news reporters.

  31. Rescue, Kathleen’s second autopsy was done by Dr. Blum. It was O’Neil who proclaimed her death an accident after the coroner’s jury, even though he had every right (and responsibility) to ensure that those findings were correct, and could have disputed/gone against their findings.

    I see your point, though, about what they are officially stating and what they might “know” prior to the results of DNA testing.

    I just don’t want for anything to get screwed up again the way we have seen done in the past.

    I just took 12 deep breaths and will do my utmost to follow your lead in calming myself. 😉

  32. The first autopsy, I believe, was not inaccurate. She died by drowning, and her body marks were cataloged. Isn’t it the Coroner’s Death Inquest, the panel, that ruled her death an accident? The initial crime scene was screwed over, the inquiry into her death, there was a cop on the panel that shouldn’t have been, there was a cop advising the panel that wasn’t even at the crime scene, there was no explanation to the panel that they could have ruled other than homicide or accident, but I don’t think her autopsy was found to be defective. Am I right or wrong on that?

  33. Rescue – I believe you are right there. That is what I heard Dr. Baden saying as well. He said the autopsy had all of the bruising marked and Kathleen indeed died from the drowning – however, it seems the coroner’s jury came up with the wrong manner of death because they didn’t have full information.

  34. Rescue, you are correct.

    The autopsy itself was not defective. The cause of death was drowning–it was the manner of death that was screwed up because of all the things that you outlined.

    The thing is, O’Neil was the one in charge of all those things and his final determination as to manner of death following those errors are what led to years of suffering, pain and anguish for the Savio family, and in my opinion, also ultimately led to Stacy’s demise.

  35. Oh, I am right there with you in questioning how the hell Kathleen’s death determination was so screwed up! Hopefully the horrible mess can be undone.

  36. Peterson may seek new prosecutor

    May 21, 2009
    By JOE HOSEY jhosey@scn1.com

    JOLIET — Drew Peterson didn’t get the judge he wanted. Now his lawyers might shoot for a new prosecutor.

    “He knows a lot of the judges in Will County. He knows a lot of the state’s attorneys in Will County,” attorney Joel Brodsky said of his client, accused wife-killer and disgraced former cop Peterson.

    Drew Peterson is charged with killing his third wife Kathleen Savio. He is being held in a Will County jail.

    “In fact, he and (State’s Attorney James) Glasgow are not unfamiliar,” Brodsky said.

    Brodsky claimed Peterson and top prosecutor Glasgow got to be especially familiar while Peterson was working closely with the state’s attorney’s office as an undercover narcotics officer in the mid-1980s.

    Charles B. Pelkie, the spokesman for the state’s attorney’s office, said Glasgow and Peterson were never close, either personally or professionally.

    “He’s never tried a case where Drew Peterson was a witness,” Pelkie said.

    Brodsky said he and Peterson would discuss whether to try to have Glasgow replaced by a special prosecutor.

    New judge assigned

    Brodsky mentioned his possible plan to get rid of Glasgow following a hearing Thursday afternoon to determine whether prosecutors could knock Judge Richard Schoenstedt off the case.

    Brodsky challenged Glasgow’s motion to replace Schoenstedt, but Brodsky lost.

    Chief Judge Gerald Kinney named Judge Carla Allesio Policandriotes to take the case in Schoenstedt’s place, and Brodsky immediately objected.

    After a break in the hearing, Brodsky withdrew his objection and accepted the assignment of Policandriotes.

    Brodsky later explained he was unfamiliar with the new judge and was scrambling to get himself up to speed. After doing so, he decided she was preferable to other judges Kinney could have chosen.

    Seeking lower bail

    Peterson remains in custody at the county jail. He faces two counts of first-degree murder in connection with the March 2004 apparent bathtub drowning of his third wife, Kathleen Savio, and is being held in lieu of $20 million bond.

    Brodsky will attempt to convince Policandriotes to drop that bond during a hearing this afternoon.

    In court papers, Brodsky asked the bond to be set between $100,000 to $500,000, which means Peterson could get out by posting as little as $10,000 cash.

    Is he a danger?

    Besides the murder charges hanging over him in connection with Savio’s death, Peterson is also the state police’s sole suspect in what they term the “potential homicide” of his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, who vanished in October 2007.

    Pamela Bosco, the foster mother of Stacy’s sister, Cassandra Cales, said she does not want to see Peterson making bond and getting out of jail.

    “He’s unpredictable,” Bosco said. “We’d rather see him stay in jail. Keep him in jail for everyone’s protection.”

    Another of Peterson’s attorneys, Andrew Abood, disputed the risk associated with setting Peterson free.

    “Of course she’s going to say that, and we’re not here to get into an argument with Bosco or the Savios or anybody,” Abood said, insisting Peterson was not a danger.

    ‘We’re hopeful’

    Bosco also said Stacy’s friends and relatives were cautiously optimistic that the human remains found on the banks of Des Plaines River near Channahon on Wednesday might be those of the missing mother.

    “We’re patient. We’re hopeful. We’ll see what happens,” Bosco said. “We’ve always prepared ourselves this way. It’s inevitable.”

    A blue barrel was spotted near the remains fueled speculation they may actually belong to Stacy because of reports that Peterson and his unwilling stepbrother, Thomas Morphey, may have carried her body out of her home in a blue plastic barrel.

    But a source close to the story said the barrel spotted near the remains does not match the one described by Morphey.

    Peterson haggard?

    The previously irrepressible Peterson was noticeably grayer, more haggard and quieter Thursday afternoon than at his previous court appearances. He also wore eyeglasses instead of contacts for the first time.

    “I think he realizes it’s a serious situation now,” Bosco said. “He’s not out on the streets.”

  37. I see the autopsy bulletin didn’t list a pelvis….I wouldn’t have called the pelvis part of the spinal column, am I wrong? That would account for not being able to determine gender.

  38. I’m surprised they can’t tell gender by the pelvis. From my understanding (and I could be wrong here), they are able to tell by the shape of the pelvis. I have been led to believe the differ quite a bit between female and male, regardless of whether the woman has given birth.

    I can’t wait to hear the new evidence against drewpy!!! Anybody have any clues???

  39. “The Office of Will County Coroner Patrick K. O’Neil is reporting the forensic examination results of partial skeletal remains that were discovered on Wednesday, May 20, 2009. The preliminary forensic examination performed today, May 21, 2009, did not reveal any significant information in reference to the identity, race or sex of he skeletal remains. The partial skeletal remains consisted of a rib cage, spinal column and partial left and right femur bones. The head, arms, and below the knees extremities were disarticulated. The search continues for the missing remains.

    A preliminary estimation of how long the unidentified person has been deceased is approximately several months or more.

    …”

  40. Thanks bucket, facs. As you can see, the male and female are quite different.

    However, if they didn’t find a pelvis, no wonder they couldn’t tell! I’m just trying to sift through all the info reported. It’s hard because the media keep changing their stories.

    I’m so annoyed with Fox News. While I have never had any respect for them (I used to work for News Ltd here, which is part of News Corp, which owns Fox), I still used to watch now and again because A), it’s the only American news channel we get here (besides CNN but that’s a mix of what gets shown in the US as well as Asia) and b) There are shows like On The Record which cover crime.

    Now it’s simply an anti-Obama network. Every frigging show I try and watch is just bitching about Obama – including GVS 99.9% of the time!

    Sorry, it’s off topic, but annoying because I can’t get as much news about this case as I used to.

  41. The coroner’s statement did not list a pelvis as having been found, however, if there was no pelvis, the underwear would not have been on the remains.

    Also, the legs are attached to the pelvic girdle (lower part of the pelvis).

  42. They didn’t mention the pelvis as missing either. I wish they has said one way or another.

    You would think if they had it though, it would have been very easy to identify the gender.

  43. I see what you are saying, but I would find it really unusual for that many bones to all be found in that one spot unless they were somehow connected, Facsmiley.

  44. Oh gosh, now Glenn Selig, no longer content to just do public relations thinks that people care about his opinion on legal matters:

    The Publicity Agency Statement Regarding Passage of Illinois HB 4078 on Behalf of Rod Blagojevich
    thepublicityagency.com – May 21, 2009

    (PRNewsChannel) / Chicago, Ill. / The following is a statement regarding the passage of Illinois HB 4078 from Glenn Selig, founder of The Publicity Agency, the public relations firm representing former Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

    “This is patently unconstitutional. There are legions of First Amendment attorneys all over America who can’t wait to jump on this. Passing a vindictive law like this makes you wonder what those people in Springfield don’t want the people to know.”

  45. What an ass! He mentions that he represents Blago who is the one that made it a Law. WTF – If he is so upset at it being unconstitutional maybe he should stop representing and promoting the person who signed the thing!

    (Facs/Rescue – I’m saving up all my pennies for every stupid comment made by this bad dream team for your raises.)

  46. I have read this many times and can’t believe it. Peterson may seek new prosecutor. How can this be???

    May 21, 2009

    By JOE HOSEY jhosey@scn1.com
    JOLIET — Drew Peterson didn’t get the judge he wanted. Now his lawyers might shoot for a new prosecutor.

    “He knows a lot of the judges in Will County. He knows a lot of the state’s attorneys in Will County,” attorney Joel Brodsky said of his client, accused wife-killer and disgraced former cop Peterson.

    http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/1585667,Peterson-judge-replaced-JO052109.article

  47. Anna Doman was on Dr. Phil today and explained why she hasn’t seen the boys in 5 years:

    “Drew makes it so extremely uncomfortable. I mean, first of all, I can’t stand looking at the guy. Every time I look at him – I get – my blood pressure goes up to my head.”

    “We have to sit in the room. He has to listen to everything we say. We – I mean – we can’t whisper. He’s got to listen to everything we say. We can’t take the kids anywhere. You know I just can’t do it. It was just too hard on me. I took my sister’s death so hard. And to have to sit there and to be under his thumb and to be guided on what I can say and what I can’t say and what the kids can say. You know I can’t ask them are you really OK? What’s going on with you? They can’t tell me.”

  48. I heard Joel said that the one minute I heard of the news conference. He can try all he wants but he’s going to be wasting a lot of his time trying to do this instead of trying to do a great job actually defending his client instead of being in a pissing match with the prosecutors.

    Drew wants to change the rules so the jury needs to know everything about law and now Joel wants to change the rules so the judges don’t know the prosecutors?? WTF again???

  49. From the Hosey article

    “Brodsky later explained he was unfamiliar with the new judge and was scrambling to get himself up to speed. After doing so, he decided she was preferable to other judges Kinney could have chosen.”

    ****

    What a doofus! I personally think Drew should fire Brodsky. Brodsky is dumb enough to admit he didn’t do the basic homework that any lawyer learns in Law 101.

    He KNEW that there was a chance that the judges would be replaced. There aren’t a million judges in Will County. He should have already spoken with Drew as to which ones he had issues with so he didn’t make an ASS of himself by objecting and then rescinding that objection. He is hurting his client’s case because he is spending more time thinking about all of his guest appearances than he is spending on working on his client’s case. It’s ridiculous IMO.

  50. I thought this was kind of strange….

    United effort
    (Tribune photo by Zbigniew Bzdak / May 21, 2009)
    Experts in archeology and forensic laboratory from University of Indianapolis are assisting Illinois State Police in their investigation of a site where badly decomposed body was found in Des Plaines River near Channahon.

  51. Did anyone else watch (or record) Issues with JVM tonight? I turned it on about 20 minutes into the program, so I didn’t get to see all of it.

    I recall that Lisa Stebic’s cousin, Melissa Greenburg, was on. She was talking to Jane about DNA testing and I swear that I heard her say that the next two or three DAYS of waiting were going to be hard. I am almost positive that she said DAYS and not WEEKS.

    Can anyone confirm that for me/us?

    I am just wondering if the families were told it would only be days instead of the publicly announced weeks.

  52. If there was money in the blue jeans that were found near the remains, I wonder what the likelihood is that they will have fingerprints on the $$ ?

  53. One of my friends brought up a good point. She said it is possible that the body could have been broken apart by the barges and/or boats that go through that part of the river. So if there is any post-mortem cutting of the bones it wouldn’t necessarily mean that the person who disposed of her remains was the one to do so.

  54. TAI2, once the autopsy is done, it’s very easy to see if the bones were manually cut, or wether it was due to other factors, such as barges, etc.

    IIRC, I also read a bit earlier that Dr Baden was on a radio program saying that. He also said they should be able to tell if the cutting is done ante or post mortem (before or after death).

  55. I was kinda “balloon busted” when I heard that they found pieces of jeans and money. My first thought was, then it’s more likely Lisa than Stacy. Reason being, Stacy was in bed; most likely in pjs or t-shirt/underwear (whatever her sleeping habits were), anyway, Cass said Stacy hung up w/her friend about the house painting and drew already had her killed by 10:50am or whatever the timeline was saying. I don’t believe Stacy had time to get dressed and drew already have killed her in 1/2 hour.

  56. Well, if it is Lisa though, I’d be happy for their family as well for closure reasons. It would really be a shock if it was someone totally different than the two. Did anyone hear Joel today on Mancow saying that their might be a serial killer around becuase of all the missing woman in the area, etc… What an arse he is!

  57. ooops sorry — Stacy hung up w/her friend about painting @ around 10:15 am (i believe was the time).

  58. Yes – I had heard Baden say that on the radio which is what made me think about this. As of right now they have said they couldn’t determine how the body came apart during the autopsy – so I guess that means they apparently can’t see any tool markings.

  59. Myabelle, I don’t know what she said during the show, but the transcript says weeks.

    You know, the two women are similar size. They`re both about 5`2″. They both weighed about 100 pounds. But the problem is, from what I`m hearing of the preliminary reports from the coroner today, the body is in such poor condition that we`re going to have to wait a very long time. It`s going to seem like an eternity to wait two or three weeks until those DNA results come through.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/21/ijvm.01.html

  60. sureyouwill Says:
    Did anyone hear Joel today on Mancow saying that there might be a serial killer around becuase of all the missing woman in the area, etc… What an arse he is!

    8888888888888888888888888888888888

    WFT? Is he for real? Part of me is glad I don’t have access to these things. Just thinking about him saying it makes my blood boil.

    And if there WERE a serial killer, wouldn’t drewpy be ‘concerned’ that there might be a killer out there and that his CURRENT wife, the mother of his children, might be a victim?

    Of course not, because he knows damn well there is no serial killer.

  61. noway, thanks for posting that. I was in the middle of playing with my little granddaughter and wasn’t sure if I had heard correctly or not. I was hoping that someone had taped it, but the transcript is just as good, I guess.

    I truly do not believe it is going to take them two to three weeks to get those DNA results back.

    If I remember correctly, they are only going to be able to do mitochondrial DNA testing (since they do not have Stacy’s DNA but are relying on DNA from Cassandra). Mitochondrial DNA testing does not take as long as nuclear DNA testing.

  62. I’ve stopped listening to Mancow because really, it was just poisoning my soul. In a way I’m glad I didn’t hear Joel say that, but I guess I’m not surprised.

  63. Thinking out loud…

    Portions of the remains are found, with clothing, money, no ID – that we know of.

    How is it that they were found? Were they in close proximity of each other?

    I’m thinking if remains are found all together, then they could not have possibly conveniently have the most crucial parts missing, the ones that allow for identification.

    Furthermore, if they are found together and not a great distance from each other, then it suggests to me that they were contained together.

    Otherwise, if we assume the important parts are missing due to time, conditions of the weather and water, water traffic etc, then how could the parts discovered be found together?

  64. I am new here,hi all…I have a question, when Lisa Stebic “disappeared” wasn’t she jogging, hiking or something,if so then she would not be in jeans…anybody remember what the, dare I say, the husband say? And I didn’t hear it any where but here about jeans near/around the remains…Thanks!

  65. http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=295488&src=2

    Brodsky plans to ask the judge to reduce Peterson’s bond to less than $500,000. He called Peterson a “model client” with a good civic record who never fled despite traveling to places such as California, Florida and Mexico during the long probe.

    Brodsky also said the four-member defense team has not ruled out asking that a special prosecutor be brought in since Peterson, as a former cop, has worked alongside some of those who are seeking his conviction.

    “We are going to fight this case every step of the way,” Brodsky said. “We’re going to see him exonerated and walk out the courthouse a free man.”

  66. Kinney assigned the case to Judge Carla Alessio Policandriotes — at which point Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, said he wanted to replace that judge. But after a brief recess, Brodsky withdrew his request.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    OMG – Can you believe that Joel Brodsky.

    Throws a little temper tantrum because he cannot get the Judge he wants and doesn’t want the new Judge either.

    He wants to just keep changing Judges so he can get the Judge he wants – LOL LOL !

  67. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-body-found-22may22,0,2618060.story

    Chad Pregracke, the founder of Living Lands & Waters in East Moline, a non-profit group that cleans up waterways in nine states, found the remains. Pregracke, 34, was alone on a 30-foot flat-bottom work boat Wednesday shortly before 2:30 p.m., pulling garbage out of the river when he came across the bones.

    “When I saw it, I stood there for about 10 minutes, just thinking, ‘Man, is that what I think it is?’ ” he said. “I wasn’t super-freaked out, but I didn’t want to call if it was nothing.”

    After determining the remains were human, Pregracke called state police. At the request of police, Pregracke declined to describe the scene or the body.

    Pam Bosco, a spokeswoman for Stacy Peterson’s family, said her relatives will wait for DNA results.

    “We’ve been down this road before,” Bosco said. “Regrettably, it could be any woman at this point, and that’s something I think we should all pay attention to.”

  68. despite traveling to places such as California, Florida and Mexico during the long probe.

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    MEXICO – When did Drew go to Mexico or is that another slip of the tongue ??

  69. I think that’s erroneous. Joel mentioned on Monday that Drew had gone to California, “only miles from the Mexican border.”

    Does the press need a bitch-slap? We’ve seen some pretty sloppy reporting these last few days…

  70. Apparently, this Christy Gutowski also thinks that John Carroll has been newly appointed to Drew’s defense team (although he argued to win Drew back his cars, computers and guns in December 2007).

    Meh.

  71. Pregracke, 34, was alone on a 30-foot flat-bottom work boat Wednesday shortly before 2:30 p.m., pulling garbage out of the river when he came across the bones.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oke Mr Pregracke came across some bones, so when did it suddenly become the remains of a female and the rush contacting the
    Cales and/or Stebic families if no one even KNEW (and still don’t know) what type of remains (other than human) they were looking at (!!)

    Also if the remains floated down the river and ended up on the riverbank, how did the money end up with it ???

  72. georgie79 Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 12:22 am
    I am new here,hi all…I have a question, when Lisa Stebic “disappeared” wasn’t she jogging, hiking or something,if so then she would not be in jeans…anybody remember what the, dare I say, the husband say? And I didn’t hear it any where but here about jeans near/around the remains…Thanks!

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    Hi Georgie,

    I’m not sure what Lisa Stebic was reported to be wearing, but I do remember that she was supposed to have been going for a jog.

    The FSP website always said Stacy was last seen wearing a red jogging suit (or red jogging pants?), but as DP is supposedly the last person who saw her, I think it’s safe to say she could have been wearing anything….we really don’t know.

    JAH: I agree, because drewpy is too much of a tightass to leave even a nickel behind.

  73. I’m tired – it’s the end of a long Friday for me! What I meant in the above post was BECAUSE drew was supposedly the last person who saw her, he probably lied about what she was wearing anyway.

    It feels like forever, waiting to hear the results of the DNA testing, but considering Lisa and Stacy have been gone 18 months or more, it’s not that long to wait an extra few weeks to find out for sure if either one of them has finally been found.

  74. I think there was dispute at the beginning about Drew saying she was wearing a red jogging suit…I think Cass said she didn’t have one (?)….what was suspicious was that Craig Stebic said Lisa was wearing a red tracksuit the last time he saw her…and then Drew says the same about Stacy.

  75. JAH: I agree, because drewpy is too much of a tightass to leave even a nickel behind.

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    LOL Nat, I didn’t mean it that way.

    Stacy was killed in her home on Sunday morning and at approx 10.15 am she was still in bed (bedclothes).

    It is therefore highly unlikely she would have been wearing clothes and had money in her pocket when killed.

    With the addition of jeans and money on the remains it doesn’t make much sense to think it is Stacy, unless LE knows something we don’t !!

  76. He could have dressed her to support the idea that she’d left the house? I also think it’s possible she was up and dressing as they argued….

    I really hope they are not the remains of someone who has not even been missed. 😦

  77. If they found a rib cage (which is what O’Neill says above)they should be able to tell without too much probing if the remains are male or female as the male rib cage is heavier and ribs are longer, etc

    There are many differences between the male and female human skeletons. Men tend to have slightly thicker and longer limbs and digit bones, while women tend to have narrower rib cages, smaller teeth, less angular mandibles, and less pronounced cranial features such as the brow ridges and occipital protuberance (the small bump at the back of the skull). Most striking is the difference in hip bones, owing to differences related to the process of reproduction, and very likely also to the biological process of sexual selection. There are a number of smaller differences between human male and female skeletons as well.

  78. He could have dressed her to support the idea that she’d left the house?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s what he would have done if he wanted her to be found.

    If he put her in a sealed barrel, there is no way he wanted her found.

  79. You’re right…I think it’s a stretch, too, but Stacy getting her jeans on after hanging up and while all the shouting was going on sounds OK.

  80. I just don’t understand why it was said to be “womans remains” and “dressed in panties” if it were totally unidentifiable remains as to identity, race or sex and dressed in some sort of remainder of jeans !

    I feel cheated (!!)

  81. I guess it is just as well they say nothing until it they are certain. Don’t want to give JB anything to waste everyone’s time and temper with to criticize later on. 🙂

  82. Bucket, I think your right about Stacy possibly being in the process of getting dressed and fighting with Drew. If she was going to paint, she may have just put on the jeans she had on the day before or maybe just wanted to get out of there fast.

  83. The coroner says shreds of blue jeans and a small amount of U.S. currency were found along with the remains.

    http://www.wbbm780.com/Body-found-in-Des-Plaines-River/4437573

    It’s not unusual for someone to leave change in a pocket. Considering that in both cases (Lisa and Stacy) we only have the husband’s (aka the suspect’s) description of what these ladies were wearing and where they were going, I don’t think we can rule out this being either of them; however, as Pam Bosco said This could be anyone.

  84. myabelle516 Says:
    May 21, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    The coroner’s statement did not list a pelvis as having been found, however, if there was no pelvis, the underwear would not have been on the remains.

    Also, the legs are attached to the pelvic girdle (lower part of the pelvis).
    ———
    I totally agree with you, belle.

    There is no way pelvis was not there. If it was missing, the bones would have gone apart even being kept by the jeans.

    This is just a press release, not the autopsy report so I think they did not want to share the entire info. We are all curious and we would like to know but I think before the DNA tests are made and the ID determined it is better if it is as it is. Brodsky should have as little info as possible on it before the trail. Determining the fact if it is a woman or a man, black or white, is not the evidence necessary to arrest Drew. It is much better to surprise him if everything is know.
    However, I stay skeptical about all of this. I think Drew and Brodsky will be trying to find weak points in the system. They will be looking for people who can help them, for sure. In LE as well. I am sure Glasgow is aware of it and he has his people to watch the things carefully.

  85. Tragically, there are at any given time 40 serial killers on the loose in the U.S. and they all don’t look like Freddy Krueger-types.Often they target those on the fringe of society so they’ll not be missed or their disappearences not investigated. Possibly the remains c/b of a male wearing womans undies and the media, in it’s frenzy for a story, begins speculating. I am hoping it is either SP or LS, so their loved ones can have closure and move on however we need to await the DNA for certain.

  86. I would agree about the pelvis seemingly to have to be there, I was trying to wrap my head around how/why it might not be there.

  87. BTW, Brodsky’s idea with the serial killer is very interesting. Doesn’t he know one personally? 😉

    I do not wonder why he jumped to such a conclusion. No one wanted to believe that the letters sent from different locations are not written by Drew himself. We did not also want to believe this is Stacy in the pictures from Thailand. Stacy have not returned from holidays she decided to go on in a nick of time so there must be a reason! There must have been a serial killer who got attracted to Stacy in particular and exactly just when she wanted to divorce Drew. What a coincidence! Did he mean Stacy’s boyfriend?
    Come on, Brodsky. A 15-year-old girl would make up a better story!

  88. Brodsky The Buffoon will say anything to deflect the investgation away from ” the thing ” He wants to fight this an arena of his design and choosing. Lucky for him he has the man-cow as a mouthpiece and enabler by which to float his strange theories.
    I say prove it. Everytime JB opens his mouth, he needs to be able to back up his twaddle with proof positive. The man-cow needs to be told he is a vulger enabler of those who abuse women because he is.

  89. JOLIET, Ill. | Drew Peterson is headed back to court as his attorneys ask a judge to reduce his $20 million bond.

    A judge will hear arguments Friday afternoon over whether the former Bolingbrook police sergeant’s bond should be reduced, allowing him a chance to get out of jail pending trial.

  90. Good morning.

    Add to the above facs post that some are speculating the discovery of this body could complicate DP’s request for a bond reduction.

  91. Maye the above statement by Patrick O’Neil is the Coroners version of “white noise”

    Why should Joel Brodsky be the only one with this privilege – LOL !

  92. I wonder if Drew attended that benefit for the cop with colon cancer on May 3rd that they had talked about on WLS. I can’t imagine anyone wanting him there. One of those “please stop helping me” situations…Like when Michael Jackson offers to show up at your kid’s birthday party.

  93. “He knows a lot of the judges in Will County. He knows a lot of the state’s attorneys in Will County,” attorney Joel Brodsky said of his client, accused wife-killer and disgraced former cop Peterson.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Amazing Joel Brodsky hasn’t said Drew arrested them all at some stage as that has been his favorite line with everyone else – LOL !

  94. Reaching…

    Since the amount of currency is small, can we assume that there was at least a one dollar bill? And, if that is true, I wonder if they could track the serial # to see where it has been on that site:

    http://www.WheresGeorge.com

  95. justanotherhen Says:
    May 22, 2009 at 9:43 am

    “He knows a lot of the judges in Will County. He knows a lot of the state’s attorneys in Will County,” attorney Joel Brodsky said of his client, accused wife-killer and disgraced former cop Peterson.

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    Amazing Joel Brodsky hasn’t said Drew arrested them all at some stage as that has been his favorite line with everyone else – LOL !
    ————
    LOL, JAH. Will the judge Carla Alessio Policandriotes be a street rat if she does not reduce the bail? 😉

  96. http://www.chireporter.com/Stephen_Miller/Blog/Entries/2009/5/21_drew_life_adventures%3A_%E2%80%98tooth_and_nail%E2%80%99.html

    It was a warm day on Thursday, and Drew Peterson arrived in court wearing a blue jail suit and what looked like long underwear underneath.

    His lawyer gave him his glasses and he looked around the courtroom, taking a seat in the jury box as his defense team tried in vain to fight the prosecutor’s efforts to have a judge removed.

    Attorney Brodsky says every move the prosecutors make, he will fight.

    “This is going to be a battle tooth and nail to the end. We’re going to fight for our client. We’re going to see him exonerated.”

    Pamela Bosco says Peterson’s old cocky courtroom demeanor seems to have gone.

    “He has a very quiet demeanor, so I think he knows this is a serious situation now.”

  97. “He knows a lot of the judges in Will County. He knows a lot of the state’s attorneys in Will County,” attorney Joel Brodsky said of his client, accused wife-killer and disgraced former cop Peterson.
    ———
    In fact, it does not sound funny, don’t you think so? Sort of moral blackmail?
    [I can imagine now all the judges in Illinois wondering what Drew knows about them… LOL]

  98. Of course he knows a lot of the judges, Ass’t. State’s Attorneys, court personnel. He’s been an officer for 30 years, and been in the courtroom numerous times on cases he was involved with.

    Don’t attorneys fall into the same category? Curious here. What are we to make of this stupid remark

    Moral blackmail? No, stupid Brodsky shooting off his mouth again. That’s my opinion. I am not about to assume anything or consider anyone corrupt just because someone says it’s so. Talk is cheap.

  99. Rescue, I read it as Joel sort of threatening to get the trial completely out of Will County and maybe even out of state.

    To me that statement looks like he’s building the “Drew can’t get a fair trial” case.

  100. Facs – I don’t see Brodsky on the solid, cocky level he’s been on lately. My analogy: it’s as though he’s picked up a bat and started screaming he’d slug anyone that comes near him. Except, he’s using the court procedures/system to make his point, which is Drew knows judges, judges know Drew, Drew knows State’s Attorney’s, State’s Attorney’s know Drew.

    So what, most everyone in the US knows Drew. Brodsky reminds me of a hysterical twit that hasn’t got a clue what his next move is going to be, so he goes off half cocked, throwing out there whatever comes to mind first.

    Maybe the judges and everyone else involved won’t drop at his feet the way he’d like, and his three-ring circus will fall by the wayside. Maybe the legal process will go through the way it’s supposed to be, not according to Brodsky’s white noise crap.

  101. Can you remember Aboot saying they are going to be very tough to the witnesses if the Savios start the estate issue?

  102. It seems like a power trip and intimidation, how Drew knows a lot of Judges and States Attorneys as if he is regarded as one of them (!!)

    States Attorney James Glasgow has already put that myth to rest, he’s never had a personal or business relationship with Drew (!!)

    Drew is just a legend in his own mind !!

  103. Afterward, Peterson’s legal team said that they are optimistic that the court would rule in their favor. If it does not, and Savio’s family files a wrongful death lawsuit, Peterson’s lawyers would be given subpoena powers to interview witnesses who have been called before the grand jury investigating the cases.

    “We’re going to be very aggressive,” said attorney Andrew Abood.

  104. No one says he has any basis to say things like that about the judges and Glasgow, rescue. He wants to flutter and mess, that’s all. However, if someone said something like that about/to me, I would start thinking if I had done anything wrong in the past what may be used against me. I think it is something natural.

  105. If Drew is so chummy with everyone that is anyone how come the King Of Siam didn’t bail him out (!!)

  106. Seems that Joel and his Bad Dream Team is getting tired of holding news conferences to explain how they failed at their latest attempt at representing their client. No press release from Selig about any news conferences directly after today’s hearing…

  107. justanotherhen Says:
    May 22, 2009 at 11:23 am

    If Drew is so chummy with everyone that is anyone how come the King Of Siam didn’t bail him out (!!)
    —–
    LOL

  108. thinkaboutit2 Says:

    May 22, 2009 at 11:25 am
    Seems that Joel and his Bad Dream Team is getting tired of holding news conferences to explain how they failed at their latest attempt at representing their client. No press release from Selig about any news conferences directly after today’s hearing…

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s probably because they can’t anticipate the outcome of Judge Carlas decision beforehand – LOL !

  109. TAI, it’s a pity really. The only enjoyment I’ve been getting out of these hearings is afterwards watching Joel wiggle back and forth in front of the mic and listening to Abood’s inflamed adenoids.

  110. lol Facs

    doesn’t he look like his’ on the “agitation cycle” or a sit and spin…DUDE…sit still!

    lmao…@ king of siam…I laughed so hard!

    you’s all funny funny people!

  111. Is Joel accusing all the judges of not being able to uphold their oaths if Drew is brought before them?

    Or am I misunderstanding the white noise?

  112. Or in other words, to know Drew is to despise him to the point that you would do whatever it takes to put him away, even to the point of breaking your judicial oaths?

    That doesn’t say much for his client. 😉

  113. I love to switch to mute mode and watch Aboot sitting next to Brodsky, as if he had swollowed a broom stick, looking straight at the camera and showing the set of his teeth.

  114. Noway – get in line. The secret decoder books are on backorder right now. As soon as they’re back in stock and we’ve been able to sort this all out, it’ll all make sense to us.

    Maybe.

  115. If we let Drew to be a judge in his case, we could be sure that the cameras and microphones would be allowed in the court.

  116. I still cannot get the Wizard of Oz out of my head when I see the dynamic duo. Drew – the Cowardly Lion (heck even his buddy Mancow sees the resemblence there). Joel – the Wizard.

    I’m thinking that Drew is having the same feeling inside of him that the Cowardly Lion did when Toto pulled back that curtain and they saw that the Great Wizard of Oz was just a man who was pretending to be something that he wasn’t.

  117. broomstick, lol. I couldn’t stop staring at those insane shoulder pads. Did he not look in the mirror before leaving the house? I can just see/hear him now. “Yeah, baby [to himself]. I look gooooooooood. these shoulder pads make me look like a real man.”

  118. If you registered for a ticket to the mock trial, you should be hearing today about whether or not you are getting in.

    I haven’t gotten my notification yet.

  119. Well, actually you’ll only hear from them IF you are getting in.

    “…you will receive an e-mail notification on Friday, May 22 if you have been selected to attend.”

    So maybe I have been notified, in a way. 🙂

  120. They just said on WBBM that the blue barrel found on the river bank is not related to the remains that were found. They also said that Drew said he has “an extremely good chance” of winning his request to lower Drew’s bond. Guess he has been notched down a bit from when he would say he was certain of things going his client’s way.

  121. thinkaboutit2 Says:
    May 22, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    They also said that Drew said he has “an extremely good chance” of winning his request to lower Drew’s bond.
    ——–
    I wonder HOW he knows that.
    Does it mean 100.000 or 1 mln?
    I don’t like it.

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