Drew Peterson’s appeal to reduce $20 million bond: Denied

20-millionToday a three-judge panel from the Illinois Third District Appellate Court ruled to deny Drew Peterson’s petition to reduce the amount of his bond from $20 million.

Peterson’s lead attorney, Joel Brodsky, says, “We’re disappointed in the ruling from the Illinois Third District Appellate Court, but we accept the Court’s ruling. However, we are also confident that as the weakness of the State’s case is exposed over the following weeks and months we will have another opportunity to ask for a reduction in bond.”

Per court document filed today:

“Appellant’s Motion for Review of Bail Order is DENIED.
“Defendants bail bond should not be modified or reduced”

Peterson’s next court date is scheduled for August 10th, 2009 (pre-trial).

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321 thoughts on “Drew Peterson’s appeal to reduce $20 million bond: Denied

  1. facs and rescue, thank you so much for all you do!!

    Great news tonight! I do believe justice for Kitty is on the right path! Thoughts are with the Savio family.

    Joel hopes further down the trial road to get bond reduction?? Really? Well, trial date has been set for August 24th and I have to wonder how slow and sluggish the the narcissist will be by then? Being alone is his worst nightmare, praying he might snap and tell what he did with Stacy.

    “weakness of the State’s case”, oh okay, does this include the hundreds of witnesses? Joel, should really be doing his homework soon huh? Summer school for Joel and Co., might want to start with law 101 and work your way up.

  2. Hi jeepers. Appreciate your kind words!

    Yeah, sluggish and slow sure sounds like the defendant is suffering from the effects of his horrid life catching up with him.

    Awww, too bad, so sad.

  3. I had a feeling Drew’s bail was not going to be lowered. I personally hope it never gets lowered. I’m thinking about his children here. He is a very selfish man and would muddle up thier minds even more. I’m sure they miss their father, but in the long run I think it is better for them. I guess the other ‘whores’
    from the BBPD are not about to do him any favors after his priceless comment about them. Both he and his lawyer, are not in for any kind of breaks that I can see. Visions of sealed testimony dance in my head. I shall sleep good tonight… but I wonder how Drew will sleep? Who cares! PJ

  4. Greta Wire Blog:
    http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/06/05/drew-peterson-not-going-anywhere-soon/?action=late-new

    June 5, 2009 07:53 PM EDT
    Drew Peterson – not going anywhere soon ….

    Sgt Drew Peterson is sitting in jail tonight. He appealed his bond and what did the Court of Appeals say? Did the appeals court reduce or reverse it? Read:
    Appellate Case # 3-09-0409 (Peterson’s appeal to IL Appellate court re: bond motion)

    3-judge panel from the Third District Appellate Court in Ottawa, IL has denied a motion filed by Drew Peterson’s defense attorney, Joel Brodsky, to lower Drew Peterson’s bond. Peterson’s attorney appealed to the Appellate court after the circuit court judge denied a similar motion to lower Peterson’s bond so he could get out of jail.

    PER COURT DOCUMENT FILED TODAY IN THIRD DIST APPELLATE COURT OF ILLINOIS

    “Appellant’s Motion for Review of Bail Order is DENIED.
    “Defendants bail bond should not be modified or reduced”

  5. Kodak Moment. May 15, 2009.

    New York attorney John Q. Kelly said he faxed a letter Friday to Will County Circuit Judge Richard C. Schoenstetd and the other parties in the case saying Savio’s estate “strongly opposes any reduction” in Peterson’s bail.

    The issue is expected to be raised at Peterson’s arraignment on Monday.

    In his letter, Kelly sets the value of Savio’s estate potential claim at about $470,000 and argues that any bail Peterson posts likely “is only available to him as a result of her murder” and would likely later revert to her estate anyway, giving him no incentive not to flee.

    But Joel Brodsky, Peterson’s attorney, called the letter “baloney” saying that the estate has no claim or standing in the criminal case.

    “It’s the most absurd argument that I’ve ever heard. … It’s absurd to the point I would expect a first-year law student to know better,” he said. “He’s going to be laughed out of court.”

    Ooops, they forgot to laugh.

    Heh, heh, heh.

  6. Interesting too how the State has “hundreds of potential witnessess” !!!!

    Needless to say all of them are people with no jobs, prone to hallucinations, drug/alcohol/mental health problems,with previous convictions/driving offences Drew arrested them for or collegues Drew would have taken a bullet for (!!)

    All these hundreds of potential witnesses told nothing but lies to the Grand Jury and are going to tell more lies in Court.

    It now becomes clear there are only two honest people in Illinois and that is Drew and Joel !!

  7. The logistics of this case are getting more and more interesting by the minute:

    Bond set at 20 million dollars

    6 cardboard boxes containing approximately 9.400 documents, sealed lists of potential witnesses of “literally hundreds of people”

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. Good morning everybody!

    Ha! John Q.’s interjection provided a good solid reason for denying the reduction. One that even materialists like Drew and Jowl should understand….you’re probably not supposed to be able to use money stolen from the person you killed to post bail for the subsequent murder charges. Simple, huh?

    Judges not laughing, but we can. 😀

  9. Yeah, you kill your wife to get all her estate, insurance money etc and with that money you bail yourself out on her murder charges (!!)

    that is in the same vein as killing the childrens mother and then use the children to provide your alibi for the night you murdered her (!!)

  10. Good morning!

    Brodsky may say what he wants to say but there is a law saying a judge has the right to ask about the origins of the money the bond is paid with.

    At the time Kathleen Savio was killed, Drew had serious financial problems and he would have more if Kathleen had been given all that that had been agreed. That’s the point why he killed her, right? So Kelly is absolutely right that the money Drew would pay would come from the theft of her assets. This is only 5 years since she died, so how could he prove he has saved so much money since then having 6-member family? Even if he said he earned it on the books and TV programs, its source is morally questionable and if it is proved Kathleen and Stacy were killed by him, he may have them confiscated. Bail must not be paid with money coming from the crime.

    Brodsky, go back to school!

  11. My 86 year old neighbor asks me every day whats new with ” that rotten bastard who left 4 kids without their mothers..” and when I told her about the harpies and hellcats, she roared with laughter. I actually drove her to see the wonderful memorial to SP on Sharon B.’s front yard. This elderly woman is a hellcat from way back and we inspire eachother.

  12. I am so very pleased to know that “PIG” sits and “ROTS” in jail. He will never be a free man,so my advice to both Drew and Joel is this….get used to it. And the best is knowing how disappointed he is every time he gets shot down…And no more radio shows, Got to love that. This is the real deal,Drucifer and company.

  13. Facs & Rescue,

    Thanks for starting a new thread on this. As I posted last night, Fox Chicago ran the story. There wasn’t anything in the Joliet Herald as of yet.

    Just read the petition and was interesting to see Brodksy add an article from the Sun-Times. Wonder if you included the mock trial from WGN in the court room.

  14. Yippee! Somebody in IL done got ’em a backbone!
    And I’m telling you, Brodsky is Drew’s mouthpiece, not the other way around. Brodsky’s waiting on Drew to figure out the plan, Stan. Take the flak, Jack.

  15. Good morning everyone.

    Cyrhla – I followed your link to read, and it is actually a “commentary.” Which indicates it was an Editorial Board piece – it’s submitted as an opinion of the group in whole, not as a story written by a reporter.

  16. rescueapet Says:
    June 6, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Good morning everyone.

    Cyrhla – I followed your link to read, and it is actually a “commentary.” Which indicates it was an Editorial Board piece – it’s submitted as an opinion of the group in whole, not as a story written by a reporter.
    ———–

    OK, rescue. I could see that; however, I rather thought it had been slected by the Editorial Board from the comments sent by-email, relating to the Sun’s article. I did not know it all works as you said. It seemed to me as if Brodsky had written it himself LOL

  17. I’m thinking of Drew going over discovery documents this weekend and all the names of folks in there that the defense would dearly love to make public in order to expose them to harrassment and ridicule.

    Instead, they’ll just have to actually devote their time to research and prep for the trial. How novel for Joel.

  18. In case you all had any doubts about who Nurse Pauline actually works for, this is from his Tweet feed.

    “Looks like I’ll be taking yet another trip to the Windy City. I enjoy helpping cops caught up in the legal system.

    11:53 AM Jun 5th from web “

  19. facsmiley Says:
    June 6, 2009 at 12:29 pm edit

    In case you all had any doubts about who Nurse Pauline actually works for, this is from his Tweet feed.

    “Looks like I’ll be taking yet another trip to the Windy City. I enjoy helpping cops caught up in the legal system.

    11:53 AM Jun 5th from web “
    ***********

    What I want to know is, who’s the Queen Bee of this dynamic PI team? Armie or Paulie?

    On second thought, that’s way more information than I need to know.

  20. WSF, He’s an ex-cop, PI, famewhore who corresponds with Joel, and lunches with him and Drew when he’s in town.

    In the past he has used his blog to post FAXes of documents that Joel has provided to him and has admitted on his blog to calling potential witness Mike Kurdenok at home to question him. He also published Kurdenok’s home address basically inviting more harrassment.

    His blog is called Crime, Guns and Videotape.

    http://www.facebook.com/people/Zelda-McCorville/1317338681

  21. Interesting too how the State has “hundreds of potential witnessess” !!!!

    Needless to say all of them are people with no jobs, prone to hallucinations, drug/alcohol/mental health problems,with previous convictions/driving offences Drew arrested them for or collegues Drew would have taken a bullet for (!!)

    All these hundreds of potential witnesses told nothing but lies to the Grand Jury and are going to tell more lies in Court.
    ***********************************************
    Hundreds of potential witnesses helped cover up a murder for 4 years so what does that say about them?

  22. GOF, I believe JAH was being sarcastic, since obviously not all of this long list of witnesses could have all the character issues that the defense has claimed belong to the few who have gone public.

    Of course if it turns out that hundreds of witnesses knew about Kathleen’s murder and managed to keep quiet for four years (five now), that would be quite a story!

    Witnesses are called for the value of their testimony as it pertains to many aspects of the case. For instance, Tom Peterson could be called to the stand to say that he witnessed altercations between his mother and father, or that he saw his father enter the house when his mother was not home. Surely, you wouldn’t say that Tom Peterson was covering up for a murderer?

  23. Really? So, how do you know it was hundreds of potential witnesses that helped cover up for him if the list is sealed?

  24. Obviously, no one is in a position to make such a claim about the many many witnesses who have testified at the Grand Jury or who will testify at the trial.

  25. I guess I am just disturbed by the fact that all these witnesses (however many there are) and six boxes of documents and it took my friends disappearance 4years later to start compiling it all. Drew didn’t cover this up alone.

  26. I agree, the thing had help and each one of those rotten bastards needs to be held accountable. If they’re public officials, then they need to resign.

    I checked out this nurse pauline the trannie’s facebook pic and I gotta say LOVE THAT LIPSTICK.

  27. I think I’ve heard the saying before, “You can’t pick your witnesses”. And while many are blameless, it’s also possible some could have had some knowledge or even involvement. It’s a sad fact that in the interest of getting the testimony to nail a murderer, some of these lesser transgressors get immunity or a plea deal, but that’s how the system works.

    Personally, I’m fine with whatever legal means it takes to wipe the smug smile off his face and get a conviction.

  28. Personally, I’d like Stacy laid to rest, and if Drew never serves a day for it, it would stink, but I can live with that.
    I wont tarnish Stacys memory by making this about Drew.
    Justice is not just Drew sitting in jail. There is more that needs to come out of this for justice for Kathy and Stacy to be served.

  29. The 6 boxes of documents and hundreds of potential witnesses may just be holding some of the secrets of what went on in Drews life for so long (!!)

    You are right, he could not have acted on his own for so long and that may just be the reason there is so much documentation and potential witness material.

    The beginning of the end has to start somewhere (!!)

  30. To Facs: 1:12pm I checked out the Face Book site you mentioned. Am I not correct that Paul Huebl of ‘Guns, Crimes, and Videotape’ is not Nurse Pauline also? Whatever name he/she may go by on Face Book, he/she is still Paul Huebl pi. I heard him on one of the radio stations talking some bs like most of them do. I was thinking about Drew last night. (a horrible thought in and of itself) and can only assume the next few times we get to see his face, he will look rather gaunt and old.

    I bet he might be privately fuming knowing he is in deep sh-t, and that Brodsky will probably make a mint off of his story down the line. To further his anger is the possiblity of NOT being able to touch the money that he stole from Kathleen. To think that the Savio’s might benefit from a Civil Suit in their favor must be putting him over the edge. I would not trust this man if he were to get bail, if he thinks he is done I can see him takeing the Savio Family with him. He has to be at full rage right about now, he has absolutely no controll of anything at this time. A deadly combination for anyone close to Drew whome he wants to disappear. Keep this murderer where he belongs! In jail. JP

  31. Yes PJ, We call him Nurse Pauline because he used to post here both as “Crimefile” and as “Nurse Rene”. We realize it’s Paul Huebl but prefer not to give him any more exposure than he already gets, so for a long time I neither linked to him nor wrote his name here. His Zelda McCorville blog is private now.

  32. You’re right prudencejuris.

    Now Defense has access to discovery and the list of potential witnesses, you don’t want Drew to be roaming the streets (!!)

  33. globeoffrogs, we all share your feelings. There is no action that can truly replace the tragic loss that Kathleen and Stacy’s families and friends have endured. There’s no perfect words or sentiment to patch the hole that must exist in your hearts.

    I wish to God that in 2004, everyone was as knowledgable about the internet and blogging, as we are today. Perhaps, Drew Peterson would have had a more difficult time covering up his actions if that were the case. But we can use what is at our disposal now to make the public aware of information, and thereby create a system which must become more accountable to the people it represents.

    I am grateful to Facs and Rescue for taking on the task of keeping this site running. They donate a great deal of their time and energy.

    I’ve never felt that this was a site about Drew Peterson, but rather an accounting of the journey of a group of people, who answered the frantic call for help, in October of 2007. It’s a journey that has seen its highs and lows, but without fail, has kept the candle of hope burning for both Stacy and Kathleen.

    Hope. Hope finds small reasons to celebrate along the way. Hope knows to expect small miracles. Hope is the thread which weaves family, friends, and total strangers together on sites, such as these.

    Somehow I think Stacy and Kathleen are celebrating about Drew’s denial of bail reduction, as much as we are. It’s one more step forward. They are both very much a part of what is happening.

    The search to bring Stacy home to rest has not ended by any means. There is an amazing group of people out there using their talents and resources to try and find her.

    Keeping the faith.

  34. So Paul Huebl is “He who shall not be named” ?
    or “She who shall not be named” ? lol What is it with that nurse costume?

  35. If Nurse Pauline is not officially part of the Brodsky legal team, then one would think the viewing of any of the discovery documentation, at this point, would be off limits. If Brodsky wants to place him on official payroll, then he must abide by the terms set forth by the judge. Private site or not, what he places out there for viewing could come back to bite him in the butt.

  36. I wonder if Drew has spent more of his time reading his Bible, now he no longer has such easy access to a pay phone to advance his career as a stand up Comic (!!)

  37. BTW – I was implying for Drew to be telling the truth, HUNDREDS of potential witnesses must have been lying and 9.400 documents to be false and nothing more than fabrications, gossip, innuendo, hearsay and double hearsay (!!)

  38. All heartfelt, Facs! You’re not letting them slip by with anything. Stacy and Kathleen are well represented here.

  39. Justanotherhen- Isn’t Drew’s reasoning fairly brief?

    “It didn’t happen.”
    “They’re just out to make a buck. Not a job between them.”
    “He’s an alchoholic and druggie.”
    “He’s losing his job and house.”
    “She’s under psychiatric care and medication.”
    “It just didn’t happen.”

  40. That’s right – the blue barrel just didn’t happen either.

    Thomas was hallucinating that day !

    And Thomas was too drunk the day before, he couldn’t go to a job interview, so he went to get a storage unit with Drew instead, for Drew to urgently store the two tires he had in his garage (!!)

    It was Drew doing the hallucinating that day !

  41. Isn’t it a nice thought that a good number of witnesses will be detectives, forensic accountants, computer experts, telecommunication company representatives, crime scene technicians and so forth, not anyone DP could claim to have personal scores to settle or media careers to enhance. 🙂

  42. In my mind, if Thomas was not hallucinating, he is an accessory to murder. I’m glad he came forward, but a sober man would have warned Stacy.

  43. Absolutely bucket,

    What they have on Drew must be staggering for it to go into these type of logistics (!!)

    They did not ask for (and were granted) a 20 million dollar Bond for no reason !!

  44. But who are the witnesses that will put Drew in the house at the time of Kathys death? Hopefully one of the wiretaps caught him saying something. Unfortunatly, none of them caught him saying where Stacy is.

  45. Unfortunately for Drew he has no witnesses to put him anywhere else while Kitty was being murdered.

  46. There must be pretty good stuff on the overhears. Apart from Lenny and Paula saying so, because from what I understand, a judge would have had to agree for them to have been able to continue taping him for so long (warrant has to be renewed every so often).

  47. There could be wiretap statements (pertaining to Kathleen or Stacy), but IMO Drew was too savvy to say much in front of L&P. He has already stated that he thought Len was wired because of the obvious nature of his questioning and for some reason I just don’t imagine Drew being foolish enough to confide in either one of them. Still, we’re all familiar with Drew’s bravado and it’s not surprising that he claims there is nothing on the tapes.

    If Ric Mims is correct about Drew passing written notes to Steve C and shredding them in the days after Stacy’s disappearance and borrowing a cell phone, that’s another indication of how aware Drew was of possible bugs and the steps he took to avoid detection.

    IMO, even without any wiretap ‘goods’ there still seems to be a huge amount of circumstantial evidence, and of course evidence and witnesses that we haven’t heard of yet. Thankfully, Joel won’t be allowed to drag their names out in the open.

  48. With Joel Brodsky at the helm (driving the bus as he calls it), the trial will be nothing short of bizarre !!

  49. JAH you’re right! What kind of anything will they have to defend him? Gamesmanship (and poor at that) is sort of all they have.

  50. I thought the burden of proof was on the prosecution. Drew could say he was home in bed same as I can.

  51. Re the wire taps:

    If my memory serves me right – the defense’s favored Judge even gave Mr. Brodsky the heads up the taping was “extensive”

  52. I beg to differ, here. I don’t think Drewpy would EVER involve anyone else.
    1)He’s too egotistical-thinks he’s smarter than anyone else on the planet
    2)As LE, he’s seen too many go down when ratted out.
    3)Aside from being a misogynist, he doesn’t trust anyone.
    4)All he has to do is sit back and deny, deny, deny, and there’s no one to dispute him.

    No, I believe that whatever he did w/Stacy, he did alone. Especially after seeing the handwriting on the wall when he knew Stacy could bury him w/what she knew about Kathleen.
    Now open for discussion…

  53. I believe there’s plenty of blame to go around on many fronts in the deaths of these two mothers who should still be here raising their children, but let’s not lose sight of who the real villain is here and the fact that this master manipulator played on vulnerable people to carry out his evil deeds in both deaths. From what we think we know so far, he wasn’t successful in getting Tom Morphey or another would-be hitman to murder Kathleen or Stacy. By Tom Morphey’s account, I don’t think he believed Stacy was the target until he was helping carry that barrel out of the Peterson home. Should he have contacted authorities the day before when he thought a lover might be the target? Absolutely! But it’s pretty understandable that BBPD didn’t seem like a place where he’d be taken seriously if he had been drinking — and especially considering that Drew was on duty that night. Drew hand picked Thomas for many reasons that made him vulnerable, and not likely to speak up. And, certainly Tom is not the only one who failed to do the right thing in the last several years in these tragic stories. There’s plenty of blame to go around. The fact remains that the real evil seed and the most likely person responsible for these murders is now sitting in jail with a $20 million bond on his head facing murder charges on one of his victims. Personally, I’m not going to ask Mr. Glasgow to shoot with a prosecution shotgun at this point when he seems to be doing fine with his prosecution pistol.

  54. And one more thing.
    Has it occurred to anyone else that Drew may WANT to look older?
    I’m totally of the opinion that he thinks he would (all of a sudden) look much less suspect and much less able to have committed Kathleen’s murder if he looks rather decrepit in the courtroom.
    Gray, balding, a little shaky as he sits next to Brodsky…
    I know it’s been done before, and I bet that’s part of his PLAN.
    It would be the opposite of taking a gang member and putting them in a suit and tie.

  55. I hear you, cheryl. playing the pity card. We had a taste of that with the interview with his boys. Poor me.

  56. Cheryl, I think much of Drew looking older is due to those overhead shots we keep getting of his pate shining through his thinning hair. It’s not the angle we’re used to seeing.

  57. You’re right cheryljones, grey, balding a little shaky and confused, probably claiming an enlarged prostate by the time the trial commences, how could this frail old grandpa be capable of committing such horrendous crimes on his family (!!)

  58. Maybe Joels closing argument in Kathleens death is going to be:

    “Drew likes young girls, but that doesn’t make him a murderer”

    as that means he’s been paying attention at the mock trial (!!)

  59. I’m counting on Glasgow to stay focused. There’ll be lots of attempts made to point fingers at everyone else to distract, conquer, and divide. Thankfully, the gag order attempts to provide some measure of protection for the potential witnesses — whether we like them or not.

  60. Facs,
    I do agree w/you on the angle, but look at the color, too. He’s totally gray-no Grecian Formula, as we’ve noted here before.
    I’m also thinking he’ll ask for a larger size jumpsuit and larger sized street clothes for court, in order to appear as though he’s lost a LOT of weight.
    Pasty skin, that ‘jailhouse pallor’…oh, poor Drew. Gag. Oh, give me a break.
    Bucket and JAH,
    Yep. The pity me party invitations have been issued, and it’s come as you are, BYOB (Bring Your Own Brief) and no need to RSVP-we’ll subpoena you for the defense.

  61. All excellent comments above. As to the Kathleen Savio murder, I believe Drew did that alone and had no help. In terms of Stacy, I just feel he may have had some help after the fact in the dispersment of her body to an area outside of Illinois. He was in a rush to get home that night, and I am sure the last thing he wanted to find out was that Stacy’s sister was sitting out front and knew he wasn’t home. I believe Drew liked to brag a bit and scare people.

    I think he felt he could scare Tom Morphey into helping him without him talking. I think he is quite capable of perhaps letting Carcerano and Robertson know about Stacy and enlisting their help for money. I think Drew kept them in some money and drugs. I think he also felt (including Stacy) that if they knew something from him they were now culpable in some way and would prefer to always keep their mouth shut. Morphey, could not take the stress and in the end niether could Stacy. Both broke their silence, one is alive one is dead. Who knows what deal Robinson or Carcerano may have with the GJ if any. To have his son Kris, in front of him while he signed over a gun to Paula is horrific enough. Once again, bringing more people into his narcisstic circle of fear of the unknown. Well we shall see if Drew is going to pull the Arlen Specktor look. (SP) befuddled and ‘I would never do such a thing look”. When it is all said and done, Joel and Drew will have done more to hurt thier case than anyone. Their in the face smugness, greed, and disrespect of the court has finally caught up with them. PJ

  62. Oke, I have a question:

    If the appeal for a bond reduction has been denied, does Joel have anymore avenues for appeal and what is the hearing on the 17th set for ??

  63. All I know is what Joel said, “…we are also confident that as the weakness of the State’s case is exposed over the following weeks and months we will have another opportunity to ask for a reduction in bond”

    The hearing on the 17th is listed as “pretrial”, whatever that means.

    This is how it was defined according to one source:

    A “pretrial” hearing is a person’s last court appearance on a criminal charge prior to trial. At this hearing, the parties generally have gathered all the information they need to fully negotiate the case, including crime victim input.

    In negotiating the case, the prosecuting attorney will consider the following factors:

    Severity of the crime and its impact upon the victim and/or community;
    Criminal history of the defendant;
    Defendant’s age and physical and/or mental health;
    Whether the defendant expresses genuine remorse;
    Defendant’s willingness to make restitution;
    Victim’s preferences in how the case should be handled; and
    The likelihood of conviction at trial.
    If the parties are unable to resolve the case, a trial date will be set. Ongoing negotiation with the prosecutor will continue pending trial.

  64. With “help” it probably means Drew had help in covering his crimes, sweeping them under the carpet and not being acted on, not so much the crimes themselves.

    It is more than likely he had help from higher up in the system as his own rank of Sergeant would not have given him the power to override any decisions with such ease.

    He was also able to beat quite a few investigations into his conduct, even got reinstated after being sacked etc.

    Just too much has washed off this guy for it to be right.

    Someone would have had to be looking out for him !!

  65. I think Drew could afford to be so cocky and arrogant if he knew all along he had someone of note in the legal, political or LE system in his pocket !

    Unfortunately for his benefactor, Drews Sociopathic personality does not know any boundaries and over time there would have to be more and more to be covered up, culminating in Drew starting to kill his own wives (!!) and this can be seen from the relatively short time span between Kathleens death and Stacy’s supposed “disappearance”.

    Once this started to look a bit too hinky, and the rumors already circulating re Kathleens death, is what has set the proper investigations in action and Drew still wasn’t worried as he told Christina he “will be going to jail for a couple of days and will be bailed out”, so he must have been pretty certain of some prior arrangement (!!)

    It looks like that “arrangement” is now out the window too !

  66. Thank you facs,

    So we’re already onto the pre-trial phase on the 17th !

    Joel Brodsky has to hand in his defense assignment (LOL) on the 8th.

    One can only assume he is working on that right now (here goes his Summer) and putting a lot of thought into it, like he did with his Motion To Reduce The Bond !!

    So between the 8th and the 17th both parties can rummage through each others discovery paperwork to prepare for pre-trial.

    Joel better get those boxes open real quick !

  67. IMO, Drew could have had some help in both cases but only the help of people with ‘bad history’.

    As for Nurse Pauline, this (wo)man had been accused of killing a man and faced 15 years in prison. If he was really innocent but went through all of this stuff, I can believe he still behaves like a victim of the system and thinks people like Drew are innocent. On the other hand, if he was guilty then and just managed to get away with it thanks to the fact he used to be a policeman and had a good lawyer (Gierloff of Arizona), he may have a feeling of the victory over the system and keep the side of real murders. That’s why he likes the company of Brodsky and Drew, and why Drew likes him.

    I only try to understand NP’s stupid behavior but I do not absolutely justify it. I bet if Drew hurt his daughter, he would be much more insightful.

  68. Thanks for the explanation of “pretrial”, Facs. Interesting to me because I thought it was just more like housekeeping; making sure everyone had the docs they need, etc etc.

    Morning Cyrhla!

    I vaguely wondered why Crimeflies wasn’t a cop anymore. It’s pretty clear to me that he has “issues”. (and I’m not talking about the cross dressing)

  69. ROFL …. crimeflies thinks David Carradine died of “affixation”…ROFL….I think he will find he was asphyxiated, not killed by things being attached to him or vice-versa. LOL….

  70. Morning Bucket 🙂

    I think Nurse Puline, as a well-educated nurse with her 12-year-experience with the police, knows better… even before the investigation has been finished. 😉

    What would he say, if it was Drew found hung this way? Even against his balls only… LOL

  71. Remember the godfather’s saying ” keep your friends close and your enemies closer..” Sure, “the thing” had help and since one hand washes the other, I am sure he *helped* in return or beforehand, currying favor and running up a tab to be redeemed at a later date and running his own racket. Interesting how BB’s mayor is one of his defenders.

    on Thomas Morphey: what a position he was thrust into:
    possibly involved w/ a killing, thanks to DP and who would he turn to? The BB police dept.? LOL. Will Co. States Attorney ? more LOL. These agencies would have placed a courtesy call to “the thing” to inform him that his step-BIL was tripping about a killing….and the next day TM would have been found dead to make it look like a suicide and ” the thing ” would have said:
    “..he was so unstable, poor guy..”

  72. I cannot excuse Toms innaction because of what someone thinks Drew might have done. The same people you think would have helped Drew are the ones who have him in jail now.

  73. Globe, all of the previous hearings have been for the hearing of motions. The hearing scheduled for the 17th is designated simply as “pretrial” which to me indicates that the motions have been decided (at least for the present). Glasgow has presented his (gag order, limited face-to-face time with representation, etc.)as has the defense (motion to reduce bond).

    I suppose there can always be more but legal proceedings aren’t my strength. Any legal types out there who can tell us if there is a ‘cut-off’ date for filing motions before the trial begins?

  74. Globeoffrogs, you expressed your opinion about witness involvement yesterday and it was discussed.

    Please move on from this subject as repeated remarks are considered badgering and will be removed from the thread.

    Also, let me remind all to please steer clear of speculation – especially stating speculation as fact.

    https://petersonstory.wordpress.com/forum-rules/

    Thanks.

  75. When I referred to motions, with that much evidence, I would expect the defense to challenge a good portion of it.

  76. So now that the defense has had a chance to look over the discovery there will probably be motions to supress some of the evidence. That makes sense.

    I came across this bit of advice for budding defens lawyers:

    Great trial lawyers file lots of motions at all stages of the proceeding. Great trial lawyers file motions to get information upon which to base other motions. The reasons for an active motions practice are varied, but can be found in two very good reasons.

    1. Every motion, for which there is a hearing and order, provides the trial judge with an opportunity to commit reversible error.

    2. If you cannot win the case, f *** up the docket. File lots of motions.

  77. I would think during the viewing of discovery, both sides will want to look for possible information that might be missing or incomplete. Additional motions could also include a request for additional documents, or additional subpoenas issued. Brodsky will have the Grand Jury testimony, but does he also have the right to dipose possible witnesses before the trial begins? and visa versa?

    I “think” both sides will also have to submit their list of potential witnesses by a certain date to the court.

    I think the state has been working quietly and carefully in the background, while Brodsky and Drew were attempting to launch their television debuts.

  78. To all-OK. I will cede the point that Drew may have had help, but I still don’t think anyone else knows why they were helping. I still think he would have kept that close to the vest. (Or sweatshirt.)
    Thank you all again so much for the information you provide. I am so glad to have found you.

  79. Sorry this is off topic, but I found it interesting.

    http://www.trutv.com/shows/dominick_dunne/episodes/doctor_of_deceit.html

    “Doctor of Deceit”
    On a hot July Sunday in 1985, Robert Bierenbaum, a successful doctor, reports to police that his wife, Gail, has disappeared. He says she went out for a walk and never returned. But almost immediately, Gail’s family has doubts about Robert’s story. Despite a history of erratic and sometimes violent behavior, Bierenbaum manages to avoid arrest and escape his dubious past. After years of pursuit, justice finally catches up to Robert Bierenbaum.

    He was a pilot and rented a plane to dump her body.

  80. charmed, I think you have a good point. Few people ever experienced the “real Drew Peterson.” He often helped neighbors and friends out, as he and others have stated. I would agree that he could easily convince a friend that he was on the bad receiving end of a divorce and he needed to get some of his things out of the house. (just an example) Helping without realizing the true extent of your “help” you were providing to Drew is a good posssibility for some of the individuals involved.

  81. Also, thank you for the story link. It makes you wonder if Drew read about a lot of these cases, as well.

  82. It is doubtful Too many people actually knew what they were helping Drew to cover up. We do know at least one person did.
    I remember when I heard about Kathy’s death, my first thought was suicide. When the death was ruled accidental, it raised a few eyebrows. I have to believe someone with more information than I had was second guessing it.

  83. There will be numeurous continuences with this court case. Do not expect a verdict in this case until some time next year. This is not specualation, it’s truth.

  84. What an unorthodox defense. A lawyer who is an enabler for an equally unorthodox client.

    Unless I am mistaken, Brodsky has lost pretty much every motion he’s filed. First of all, he was adamant that Peterson would never be charged for these serious crimes. Hmmmmm.

    He’s lost the Savio probate estate re-opening at the Circuit and Appellate Court levels, and was turned down at the Illinois Supreme Court level.

    He was absolutely confident that Peterson’s bond was excessive, and he was equally confident it would be lowered. Lost at the Circuit and Appellate Court levels.

    Brodsky was publicly exposed as being a card-playing partner of his jail confined client, with the excuse that he was trying to relax him. On one hand, Brodsky’s card playing strategy with his jailed client worked out okay, since Peterson was giddy enough to call into a radio station and make jokes about his jail confinement. In fact, Brodsky even knew it was going to happen and gave the radio guys a head’s up. Then again, all that did was cause the media to cover it as Peterson’s most outrageous stunt to date, and cause public outrage and concern that he was getting undue special treatment in jail. The judge wasn’t laughing. Nixed the card playing real fast, didn’t he?

    He said an opposing counsel would be laughed out of court for a letter he submitted to keep Peterson’s bond from being lowered. Instead, who’s the one being laughed at, heh? Brodsky can no longer give any media interviews unless he first notifies the Court and the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission. Not to mention, all these months of enabling his client to do the media stunts has caused the judge to limit Peterson in any and all interviews, and limit phone calls to a chosen few. Smart move. Guess the judge isn’t a fan of client/lawyer media whores.

    ~~~~~~~
    If Brodsky’s history of defense ineptness continues, we can all take faith in believing that whatever he says, the opposite will happen. His most recent prediction: the State’s case will be shown to be weak as the facts of the case come out, enabling him to again ask for a reduction in bond. Praise the heavens, Drew won’t be going anywhere, anytime soon.

    With some luck, we might get to hear him say his client will be tried and found not-guilty. In that case, we can bet the farm his client will be a convicted murderer. JMHO. 😉

  85. Folks

    The fact is, the defendant has been charged with the murder of Kathleen Savio. Please move the discussion away from any other manner of death, and we ask that you do not speculate otherwise.

    Thank you.

  86. Thanks for the scorecard, Rescue. Looks like “unorthodox” doesn’t sell as well for them when they’re playing in the judicial system as “sinister” did in the media. Great post, Rescue.

  87. Globeoffrogs- Perhaps you should follow the lead of the Savio family, Kathleen’s close friends, Stacy’s close friends, family, and neighbors, who have all united despite their differences through the years. If anyone could point fingers, the Savios could, but they do not. There are a million “what if’s ?” and “If only I had …” running through the minds of people close to these unfortunate situations. Life doesn’t give us “do-overs.”
    These two families have prayed for people to come forward. They have a common goal, and they’re focused. They’re not casting stones.

  88. Joel will show what kind of lawyer he is in court. He did get the gun charge thrown out of court by making the state either give up what they had or not to give it up. The state choose not to give it up. Joel forced the states hand and won.
    For anything Joel does outside of court, it is stunts. Plain and simple.

  89. Brodsky’s confidence probably resulted from his small successes connected with returing seized guns, cars and computers and then with the dissmissed gun charges.
    IMO, judge Schoenstedt was really biased and that might have been the reason Glasgow did not decide to arrest Drew last fall.

  90. ustserver Says:
    June 7, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Joel will show what kind of lawyer he is in court. He did get the gun charge thrown out of court by making the state either give up what they had or not to give it up. The state choose not to give it up. Joel forced the states hand and won.
    For anything Joel does outside of court, it is stunts. Plain and simple.
    ——
    If it is Joel, why does he need Abood, the Carrolls and others… hmmm? Joel himself is a stunt and there are other lawyers behind him.

  91. I dunno Cyrhla, I think the judge acted fairly in that instance. Joel made an allegation that seemed to really warrant him getting discovery in order to prove it. IMO, Glasgow was smart to back off at that point. He knew the weapons charge is not what the state needed to pursue.

  92. I agree, facs, that it was a good move of Glasgow to give up. But I cannot agree the jugde was OK. He said he had no other choice but he had.

  93. Cyrhla,
    Judge Schoenstedt had no other choice in the gun charge case.
    If Joel has other lawyers behind him, where were they the day Joel was in New York and Drew had court?

    Facs,
    I have some legal experience.

  94. I believe Joel instructed the other lawyers to not bother going to court. I saw Abood on TV talking, and that’s what I recall him saying. ANY of Drew’s lawyers could have been there.

    It’s just one business day. No big deal. Isn’t that what Joel said to Mancow? Something like that.

  95. justserver Says:
    June 7, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Cyrhla,
    Judge Schoenstedt had no other choice in the gun charge case.
    If Joel has other lawyers behind him, where were they the day Joel was in New York and Drew had court?
    ——–
    (On the phone) with him talking about the strategy as they had not suspected before that the bail would be so high. 😉

    I read he could. He could deny the motion because of the pending investigation.

    If the judge was OK why Glasgow did not want him then?

  96. Here’s the thing. As far as all the conspiracy theories go, I’m interested to see and discuss any actual info that might point to interesting connections between Drew Peterson and other parties, especially when it can be demonstrated that they have taken actions to aid him (like Mike Robertson, or even Crimefile dude) but I think we need to be really careful when dragging in the names of people or casting suspicion and aspersions upon them merely because they may have known or had professional dealings with the suspect at some point from which Drew benefitted.

    Sometimes it seems like people are ready to condemn the cashier at Meijers for giving Drew the correct change, instead of spitting in his face.

    I scoff at Joel Brodsky, not because he is defending Drew Peterson against a murder charge, but because of all the shameful antics he has publicly indulged in and the way that he appears to be more interested in marketing himself than in defending his client. i don’t begrudge him the right to do his job. Maybe the latest rulings will inspire him to do a better one.

  97. cyrhla says: If the judge was OK why Glasgow did not want him then?

    ~~~~~~~~

    Maybe, just maybe, Glasgow wanted to ward off any possible issues that may have come up during trial, only to be taken advantage of by the defense. Maybe Judge Schoenstedt saw the defendant on an occasion or two that might have stirred suspicion, maybe not, I don’t know. I tend to think it was a strategy on the part of the State to nip any issues in the bud. Glasgow knew what the defense’s moves would then be. If they didn’t feel the newly appointed judge was to their liking, they’d ask for another. They did. They made their disapproval for Judge Rozak known ahead of time, as he was the judge that approved the high bond, so they went through their two choices. No whining, live with it.

    Move on, and try the case on the merits. That’s what Brodsky has been waiting for, isn’t it?

  98. I think it’s been said before, that changes of judges for high profiles cases are not that uncommon. Whether he thinks his client is guilty or innocent is not the task of Brodsky’s team. He’s been hired to defend Drew. (He’s simply been confused up to this point that he’s not his booking agent.) When choosing all of the options, it makes sense to want a judge with a record that seems to follow down the line for both sides.

  99. noway406 Says:

    June 7, 2009 at 4:52 pm
    I believe Joel instructed the other lawyers to not bother going to court. I saw Abood on TV talking, and that’s what I recall him saying. ANY of Drew’s lawyers could have been there.

    It’s just one business day. No big deal. Isn’t that what Joel said to Mancow? Something like that.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes, that was a very peculiar statement by Abood (Joel told him not to bother to go to Court) and at the time made no sense, but in retrospect it is clear what they were aiming for, especially when Lisa Bloom shed some light on their MO – LOL !

  100. When did Glasgow ever say that Judge Schoenstedt was biased towards the state due to the gun charge case? It could have been any case Glasgow was talking about. In my eyes that is just speculation.

    Judge White did sign off on the arrest warrant for Drew on the gun charges. Joel just can’t rid of him because he is out of options.

  101. The state has been careful with this case. It will be difficult to lay any blame on them for contaminating the jury pool, or not giving Drew a fair trial. The state backed off with the gun charge and we didn’t hear any complaints coming from Brodsky over that decision. When Brodsky was in New York with his wife, and couldn’t make it back in time for Drew’s hearing, the state graciously gave Brodsky plenty of time to finish his weekend and travel plans by moving the date to May 18th. (bad weather and over booked flights can happen)
    What can he complain about?

  102. Justserver- don’t you think the next motion will be for a change in venues? Brodsky seems to want Cook County at the moment.

  103. If they change the county, does that mean Drew has to move from his new medical facility to Cook County? Better be careful what you wish for.

  104. I’ll bet you’re right DD. Last we heard Joel was juggling what areas of the state could be of the most benefit to his client. Do they get to request a specific county…or just a change?

    By law, the jury has to come from Illinois so do we want a jury from some very rural county downstate? Maybe that’s not where we want to go. Do we want to go to places to East St. Louis that’s very, coming to alot of very poor people in that area? Do we want to come to some southeren suburb of Chicago?

  105. This was from a poster named “L” on Greta’ Blog.

    Poster: “L.”
    “Brodsky is doing HIS JOB”

    June 5, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Is “L” maybe “Ellie B.” ?

  106. justserver Says:

    June 7, 2009 at 5:47 pm
    When did Glasgow ever say that Judge Schoenstedt was biased towards the state due to the gun charge case? It could have been any case Glasgow was talking about. In my eyes that is just speculation.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You’re right, the States Attorney never mentioned a specific case.

    He just mentioned bias against the State.

  107. I’m guessing he’ll request Cook County, or leave it in Will. Cook County has a lot more judges available, with the probability of more murder cases being heard through the years. Softens the impact.

  108. docsdaughter Says:

    June 7, 2009 at 5:54 pm
    Justserver- don’t you think the next motion will be for a change in venues? Brodsky seems to want Cook County at the moment.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Makes you wonder why Cook County is now flavor of the month.

    Is that where Joel Brodsky’s family comes from or did he find a new best friend in the retired Cook County mock trial Judge ??

  109. What’s the implication Brodsky means to say when he refers to “some very rural county downstate?” See, cuz the way I see it, it was plain ole lay people from Will County who said Peterson’s ex-wife died by accident, the same kind of lay people of Will County who indicted him for murder. Don’t they have lay people in downstate rural counties, or are they all doctors, lawyers and Indian chiefs?

  110. JAH – I’m sure Joel’s reasoning has to do purely with demographics and who he thinks might statistically feel more benevolent towards an ex-PO confessed filanderer and con-man who kills his wife and then goes on a media blitz.

    Again, not everything is a conspiracy.

  111. When Brodsky was in New York with his wife, and couldn’t make it back in time for Drew’s hearing, the state graciously gave Brodsky plenty of time to finish his weekend and travel plans by moving the date to May 18th. (bad weather and over booked flights can happen)
    What can he complain about?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    May 18 was the first available date for Judge Schoenstedt to be back on the bench, wasn’t that the reason for Joel Brodsky’s loitering and “secret Defense tactic” ??

  112. The only area Brodsky will find a jury pool that is not tainted is downstate Illinois. They don’t get the radio stations that Will and Cook county do. And if it is a farming county, they will be up at dawn working until dusk. They may never even have heard of Drew.
    The only reason Brodsky would want Cook County is because it would be a shorter drive for him. The jury pool is tainted in Cook as it is in Will County.

  113. Justserver – See, but that goes against everything Peterson and Brodsky have worked so hard for all these months.

    Explain the reason for tainting jury pools in Will and/or Cook County, for example, by the eighteen months of media blitz’s, day after day, outrageous tactic after outrageous tactic, rearing their ugly heads anytime things quieted down, only to bemoan how poisoned everyone is now and thinking of asking for a change of venue, possibly Downstate. It makes no sense. Is it that their white noise backfired for them and now they’re scurrying around like headless chickens? On the other hand, Peterson called the Special Grand Jury clueless lay people. I’m not, by any means, criticizing hard working people that may be farming and working their buns off from dawn til dusk, but isn’t that just the type of people Peterson is criticizing? Hardworking men and women who don’t happen to live up to his idea of what it takes to make a “Peterson decision?”

    This all exposes him and his attorney for what they really are. Aimless, mindless, clueless putzes who swooped down on a way to make a buck from the deaths of two young women. Pay the piper.

  114. “The only reason Brodsky would want Cook County is because it would be a shorter drive for him.”

    Wow, that doeesn’t seem like very sound lawyering.

    Although Joel did decide to stay in NYC the weekend his client was arrested for murder rather than return. Again, I’ll say he tends to demonstrate more self-interest than client-interest.

  115. Brodsky could have tainted the jury pool on purpose so they have to go farther south in Illinois. By having the people who work from dawn to dusk on the jury, it would help Drew.
    Think for a moment if you worked the whole time the sun is up and didn’t have time for tv, radio, or even newspapers every day. You won’t know half of what the lawyers are saying about the crime scene and how Drew got into the house. Yes he had a reason to want Kathleen dead. Money. But without the circus that has been in the media and if you are hearing this case for the first time in court, it does sound like a weak case.
    The people who work from dawn to dust, don’t care about speculation, they want the facts and do not believe something unless they see it. That is a fact because I have family who are the dawn to dust workers.

  116. BTW, what justifies “tainted?” Yes, most everyone has heard of Drew Peterson. It is almost impossible not to have heard of him, thanks to him and his dream team. A farmer Downstate may be familiar with the name and the history of Drew Peterson. Doesn’t that make him tainted as well as anyone here that has the same knowledge? Name recognition and some familiarity with what he’s being charged with doesn’t taint someone, IMHO.

    I live in Cook County. Recently, there was a very high profile trial of R. Kelly, the singer. I am familiar with the name, I am familiar with what he was accused of. Yet, since he’s not a figure whose activities I followed on a daily basis, I could have very well served on his jury, with a clean slate, untainted mind. I would have had no reason to have a pre-determined mindset to convict him, or not, for my own personal satisfaction. He would have been an insignificant person in my life, but for the fact that his criminal verdict partially would have rested with me, based on the evidence I would have been given as a sitting juror. High profile defendant. High profile county. Very serious charges. Very disturbing charges, as a matter of fact. Acquitted. Based on the evidence.

    Same goes for Peterson. A potential juror has nothing to gain by pre-determining Peterson’s guilt or innocence.

  117. Didn’t he say (Joel Brodsky that is)

    “here goes my Summer”

    upon learning of Drews arrest ??

    LOL, LOL !!

  118. Rescueapet,
    I can tell you for a fact that I know of 8 people in southern Illinois in one county who do not know of Drew Peterson and they are family members. I asked them if they know of any of the high profile cases going on in Will County and their reply is No and we don’t care, we are worried about us here.

  119. If you believe that there is no one in either Will or surrounding counties that can serve on Peterson’s jury, then Brodsky has done his job as far as you’re concerned, and there’s nothing more for us to discuss. Everyone has their opinions.

  120. If things don’t go his way, Joel Brodsky will say the Jury pool is tainted, that is pretty much a given (!!).

  121. Since the defense has been so curtailed with getting out ideas any way they can, I wonder if they’ll use other avenues to do so? What a thought that would be? Remember when Joel used to blog himself? Wonder if they’ll resort back to that anytime soon?

  122. Meanwhile back at the Ranch,

    Drew Peterson is sitting in isolation in a Will County Jail since May 7th.

    His Bond stands at 20 million dollars and an appeal has been unsuccessful.

    The Prosecution has submitted 6 cardboard boxes of Discovery, containing around 9.400 pages of documents and is said to have “literally hundreds of potential witnesses”

    Meanwhile Joel is swapping deck chairs on the Titanic !

  123. Since the defense has been so curtailed with getting out ideas any way they can, I wonder if they’ll use other avenues to do so? What a thought that would be? Remember when Joel used to blog himself? Wonder if they’ll resort back to that anytime soon

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think they already are (!!)

  124. Silly question: Does a change in venue request?=a change in venue? Is this decision made by Judge Stephen White?

    I thought I had read once that they could call 4x the normal number of jurors here in Will county and be successful?

    I have always believed that this might one day end up in court, south of Will County. I have two college age children that had no problem following this case by all media outlets. Yes, they attend college south of Will county. They also used DP in criminal justices classes at many levels. Perhaps Joel should have sat in on a few?

  125. Jeepers, if they file the motion (either side can request change of venue) then there will be a “change of venue” hearing and Judge White will make a decision.

  126. Noway, I’ve seen her tweeting but she has a different name now (inhiheels). Even so, nothing since June 1st. I just bookmarked her instead of following her.

  127. Cool eye, noway! I need to replace my quilt square in order to keep up with the Sharpies. (as opposed to the Jone’s) LOL

  128. I was just thinking, isn’t it those people who work from dawn to dusk who usually get out of jury duty citing “financial hardship” or “extreme inconvenience”?

  129. I also have family in the rural areas, but I can’t think of a one that would look at this Peterson mess and not come back with a conviction. (And that’s only on what has been uncovered and researched by the Sharpies.) While they work long days, they certainly are just as educated in world happenings and probably more aware of the economy, etc. In my family, the news is monitored on a daily basis.

    Personally, Brodsky would be foolish to pick a jury pool from my relatives’ area.

  130. I don’t think it would be difficult to be omitted from the Peterson Trial jury pool. I wonder if they’ll ask if anyone has ever participated in a discussion board on the case.

  131. Facs ‘n’ Rescue..love the monopoly square avatars. Facs’ at this tiny scale is very like haz chem labels. Feeling inflammable (or for those under 45, flammable) Facs? lol I think it must be fun to imagine denying him $200 (don’t sniff..that sum represents a hell of a lot of…uh, toothpaste. Youcan buy toothpaste in jail, right?)

    Ha ha Facs locks him up and Rescue takes his money. 🙂

    I’m struggling with how it can be logical or appropriate to ask for the trial to be shifted to Cook County. The reporting is virtually identical. In fact they went to Cook County for TV and radio interviews. So, we don’t get it, do we? Any ideas how he could justify it?

  132. Silly me. The court doesn’t appear to require a legitimate basis for a motion to be filed, just to have it granted. Just as well.

    Do you think Joel is showing passive aggression by filing shoddy paperwork?

  133. Wouldn’t you know it Bucket, I just changed my avatar.

    Again, I just don’t know how the request for a change of venue works. Do you just say, “Not here!” or do you ask for a specific place? Or can you do either thing?

    To be honest, I haven’t heard Joel mention Cook County other than saying he wanted the Chief judge to be a Cook County judge.

  134. To be honest, I haven’t heard Joel mention Cook County other than saying he wanted the Chief judge to be a Cook County judge.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    and why would one specifically want a Chief Judge from Cook County ??

    Do they breed better Judges in that part of Illinois ??

  135. Right. Thanks. I think you’re not allowed to dictate where you want it to go, I think some form of horsetrading goes on there. I think the principle of the motion is “not here”.

    Jinx re the avatars. I’d already pulled the trigger on changing mine when you mentioned Harpo, lol. I agree with Coffee that a suitable harpy was hard to find, then I thought, “what’s one letter among friends?” to arrive at Mr Marx. In the end went with the 16thc hellcat. Ah, the search for the perfect avatar…I’m often tempted to reprise Geraldo…maybe for the first day of the trial or other…

  136. This is not a conspiracy theory:

    Joel wants the case moved to Cook County as that’s where he/his family comes from.

    In this world it’s not what you know but who you know !

  137. Venue frequently is confused with jurisdiction. While jurisdiction asks whether a court system has authority to hear a case, venue asks which court within a jurisdiction should hear and decide a case.

    In Illinois, a case is usually brought in the county in which the claim originates or where one or more defendants resides.

    For example, if a person is hit by a car in Glen Ellyn, and the car was driven by a person from Chicago, an action against the driver could be filed in either DuPage County (Glen Ellyn) or in Cook County (Chicago).

    Change of venue can be requested by either of the parties. For example, a corporate defendant in Champaign/Urbana might request a change of venue to Springfield because adverse publicity in Urbana makes it impossible for the corporation to get a fair trial in Champaign/Urbana or because most of its files are located in Springfield.

    However, the defendant could not request that the trial be moved to Milwaukee, because the Wisconsin court lacks jurisdiction.

    http://www.weblocator.com/attorney/il/law/illegjud.html

    I think you can ask for a specific area. I do remember reading that the trial had to be in Illinois.

  138. I’d like to wish Lavanda Dolce congratulations for making it into the tweeter hall of fame for her work on lost and missing. She also has a wonderful site called angels for stacy. Way to go Lavanda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  139. At this point…I thought he might call: Dog the “Bounty Hunter” for the bail…He can’t use his cash because it’s unverifiable therefore more investigation and proving where it came from…..another quadmier..”eh ..giggitt…giggity giggity”…Anyway…I feel Giggity only had so much $ to go around for charges for current cases, but not enough for the ones to throw down and his lap!( witness intimidation…fraudery…omg and on and on. Forgive the (SP?)…

    … My pda does only what it wants

  140. MSB- I actually wondered if someone like WLS might put up the $2 million. But I don’t think the heads of any large media agency would want to be associated with Peterson. No matter how much it might affect ratings.

  141. I don’t think DP wants to remain in jail until August. But then again, who would. He likes to look like the guy in charge of the world, so I’m sure Joel not only has to get their discovery documents together, but someone over in that office has surely been assigned to figuring out bond possibilities. I remember reading about bond companies that put up bond in place of the actual person doing so. This would still require Drew to insure it with his own investments and property. (or the kids’ investments)

    Doing this would produce another problem for Brodsky, who now has an office and staff working fulltime to handle the cases the firm presently has on the docket. (At least one would hope.) Brodsky will have to pay his employess, as well as cover his own expenses. If all of Drew’s tangible assets and income go to bail him out of jail, where are the possibilities remaining of producing money for attorney fees? They’ve had their media circus somewhat tamed. I guess they could sell photographs not yet published. (tacky)

    I don’t think WLS would risk something like that. I don’t know if it’s still the case, but I “thought” they had to cut costs a couple years back, and a lot of their staff went to part-time positions to save money. I don’t think they have those type of funds available, but I could be totally wrong.

    I’m still waiting for the Drew Peterson fund to resurrect itself. A project for Mancow in his free time.

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    Please refrain from making personal attacks on other commenters.

    Thanks.

  143. The whole Cook County thing came from the articles on May 30th, 2009, when Brodsky first filed a motion requesting for a Cook County judge to select a judge to hear the case. Brodsky withdrew this motion five hours later. In that article, Hosey makes the inference that Joel would prefer his own county or home court advantage. I saw the same inference on some legal blog.

    Other than the Cook County judge request, the only other “stated” change of venue choice I’m aware of was during the gun charge issues, and then Joel thought the only place Drew might get a fair trial was “China.”

    Joel might be able to presently round up a jury pool in China, since the mayor of New Orleans, his wife, body guard, etc. are now being quaranteened for possible swine flu. The whole “swine” thing might not look the best next to Drew’s name. But then again…

  144. I don’t think Brodsky was planning on actually defending this case in court.

    One reason he is not prepared for this case, is he really thought there would not be an indictment. Watch this video around 3:45, to hear Joel emphatically say talk of an indictment is meaningless to us and

    Period. End of story. There will not be an indictment. Period

    youtube video

    This was ONE WEEK before the arrest.

    Another thing this video shows is one of the reasons Brodsky won the “buffoon lawyer of the year”. At the beginning, the first thing Joel Brodsky says to Cass is “Where’s Yelton”.

    To quote “Anonymous” from legal pub

    There is an old saying….You can catch more flies with honey. This public berating, belittling and criticizing by you and your client of anyone involved has formed the opinions of the public – not the media

    Link to Legal Pub Interview

    I think the reason Brodsky was in/stayed in New York, and told Abood to “turn around and drive back to Michigan”, was to be on all the morning shows.

    What would the judge say if Brodsky tried to explain his “white noise” theory to the him?

    I have not read or heard even one attorney agree that these tactics are effectual.

    Joel Brodsky should be selling cars, not making a mockery of our justice system.

  145. lol DD,

    I remember when I was young…er, domestic abuse was hush…hush!…maybe now that times gone by…not so much! IMO

    There will he someone on the stand at his trial …trials 🙂 to sink his battleship!

  146. WS, it will be interesting to see Joel attempt to defend his client on the ‘merits of the case’ alone. So far his legal sparring seems to have consisted of public attemtps to ridicule and harrass witnesses and money-making ventures based on the notroiety of his client.

  147. womenscorned – I have said this a number of times, it is beyond me what Brodsky has accomplished for his client. What was positive and/or helpful about being an enabler to a client that was out of control and, for lack of a better word, goofy? Unorthodox radio interviews, allowing his client to say even one word that pertained to the serious, pending charges that he denied were ever coming, all but cemented his lack of credibility in the public and in the courtroom. Unless he’s got some hidden talent and a bag full of contradictory evidence to what the State may have, it’s not looking very good for his client.

    Does anyone really believe Brodsky advised him to keep quiet and lay low, which advice he didn’t follow? I don’t. Because, to think so, that would say that Peterson has no respect for the man that is defending him. Or, in the alternative, if Brodsky was good with what his client was doing, he’s a piss poor excuse of a lawyer, isn’t he?

  148. I think you’re right on both counts, rescue.

    I think JB’s incompetent and unprofessional and extremely UNETHICAL.

    No I think Dropsy found exactly the lawyer he wanted. The first one dropped him BECAUSE he wouldn’t listen up so he found one he could feed gravy to instead.

    A very deliberate choice and a moral match.

  149. 06/08/2009 Will County Circuit Court Schedules
    http://willcountycircuitcourt.com/
    PETERSON DREW 8 10 9 WCCA900 09L000326 Case
    PETERSON DREW W 8 10 9 402 930 09CF001048 0
    MURDER/INTENT TO 2 Pre-trial
    PETERSON DREW W 8 10 9 402 930 09CF001048 0
    MURDER/INTENT TO 1 Pre-trial
    PETERSON DREW W 8 24 9 402 930 09CF001048 0
    MURDER/INTENT TO 2 Jury Trial
    PETERSON DREW W 8 24 9 402 930 09CF001048 0
    MURDER/INTENT TO 1 Jury Trial

    ROBINSON MICHAEL 7 01 9 301 900 04F 000340 Warrant
    ROBINSON MICHAEL 8 31 9 404 930 08CF000098 0
    DOMESTIC BTRY/PHYSICAL2 Jury Trial
    ROBINSON MICHAEL 8 31 9 404 930 08CF000098 0
    BATTERY/CAUSE BODILY 3 Jury Trial
    ROBINSON MICHAEL 8 31 9 404 930 08CF000098
    INTIMIDATION/PHYSICAL 1 Jury Trial

    CARCERANO MARGHERIT7 30 9 900 09SC003353 Alias Summons
    CARCERANO STEVEN 8 14 9 900 09SC000500 Employer

    Clark County, Las Vegas, Calendar Search Results

    Court LAS VEGAS
    Case # 08F14086X
    Defendant’s Name CARCERANO, STEVEN J
    Plaintiff’s Name STATE OF NEVADA
    Department 07
    Case Type FELONY
    Defendant’s Attorney BUNIN, DANIEL M
    Plaintiff’s Attorney DISTRICT ATTORNEY
    Judge JUDGE KAREN BENNETT-HARON
    Date & Time 07/24/2009 8:30 AM
    Proceeding FELONY ARRAIGNMENT

  150. So does this mean Drew is having to sit in jail until August 10th ??

    Does this give Joel more time to find a “weakness in the case” or the fact Joel now knows the Prosecution actually has a case, considering there are 9.400 documents to say there is !

  151. I think JB’s incompetent and unprofessional and extremely UNETHICAL.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Because of the above, one can only assume Joel is being closely monitored by the Powers-To-Be !

  152. You know, I never really thought of the bail in the way mentioned above. Really…where are they going to get the money to pay for all the help/services for drew’s defense? I can assume they were thinking book deals and the like and not realizing that he would really be in jail! And of course, there’s the fact that Drew is such a great upstanding citizen that they could not imagine that they’d keep him on high bail! LOLOLOL! What a joke. What are they going to do? Can you even imagine the “workers and side lawyers” thinking. ‘hey man am I going to even get paid for this?’ What a mess, something both of their egos weren’t ready for! Where do they think they’re going to get the money to pay and pay and pay~!!!?

    Has anyone heard about Chrissy anymore? Wondering what she’s doing if she still even has her lawyer, etc…

  153. Maybe Drew can change his mind and ask for a free State’s Attorney to “try” and defend him?! LOLOLOL!

  154. Has anyone heard about Chrissy anymore? Wondering what she’s doing if she still even has her lawyer, etc…

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I can tell you one thing, Chrissie has a much better lawyer than Drew Peterson (!!)

  155. Joel Brodsky was moaning the Prosecution had a lot of investigators and the defense can’t match that kind of manpower (!!)

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact the Prosecution had a lot to investigate.

    It wasn’t a game of upmanship who with the most investigators wins (LOL)

  156. Good Morning!

    Isn’t Joel sitting on a pile of cash they “earned” by appearing on TV over the last 20 months? 6 figures for the interview from jail, for instance. Drew’s share held for legal expenses and any residue for the children? This is what they said they would do with money donated to his defense.

    He’s got plenty of money for legal costs.

  157. Good morning!

    As for moving the trail to another area, particularly the one very remote one, would make sense. Imagine the costs the witnesses must bear for travelling and accomodation. There is a chance for Brodsky some of them will give up.
    Cook County sounds OK as for Brodsky’s location and his or Drew’s connections but I am somehow suspicious about the move Brodsky made about it. I may be wrong but what if it was done on purpose to make Glasgow think this is the location Brodsky chose?
    Additionally, in any rural area, where the system is not loaded so much, he can play with time and other tricks when necessary. I also think (but no offend, please) judges in the rural areas are less experienced and more apt to make mistakes.

    Any distance longer than up to 3 hours of travelling will be also very exhausting for the prosecutors.

    My question is (it is difficult to find any sources on it) if the venue is granted automatically or is a decision of a judge only (and if so what has he/she take into consideration)? It generates higher costs.

  158. That is pretty funny that Brodsky’s crying that the prosecution has better coverage — I guess you get what you pay! Just like drewp made promises of woo and money to Kathleen, Stacy AND Christine, I’m sure he made the same promises to Brodsky. Listen to when Ernie was even lured by the promise that drew promises that my daughter will be set for life, etc… Brodsky is in over his head, no defense, no backup, no proof, NO MONEY! drew would probably be better off with a state assigned attorney! Even if brodsky is footing the bill for now, i’m sure that has run its course too!

  159. I haven’t been able to check in for a couple of days, so when I saw the banner I let out quite the Hellcat/Harpie Wa-Hoo! 🙂

    Each step towards justice is sweet.

  160. Grandam, I know of the motion to reduce bail, and then they also asked for a replacement judge. I don’t know if that’s done by motion or just request.

  161. Slow news day. LOL

    Quick thinking fast food worker prevents robbery
    June 9, 2009 4:01 PM
    An employee foiled an attempt to steal a meal Monday from the drive-thru at a Wendy’s restaurant in Buffalo Grove, police said today.

    About 9 p.m. as a clerk was handing an order to the driver of a van, a person appeared from the shadows and attempted to grab the order, police said, but the clerk held on to the bag.

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/blog/

  162. ROBINSON MICHAEL 7 01 9 301 900 04F 000340 Warrant
    ROBINSON MICHAEL 8 31 9 404 930 08CF000098 0
    DOMESTIC BTRY/PHYSICAL2 Jury Trial
    ROBINSON MICHAEL 8 31 9 404 930 08CF000098 0
    BATTERY/CAUSE BODILY 3 Jury Trial after DP’s starts and before his begins
    ROBINSON MICHAEL 8 31 9 404 930 08CF000098
    INTIMIDATION/PHYSICAL 1 Jury Trial

    Does anyone know what the bold entry above means? Also, it looks like court dates for Drew and Robinson dovetail nicely to give Robinson a week, should he need it, to reconsider his position between the start of DP’s and MR’s beginning.

  163. Can anyone give me a clue on how this works? Does Brodsky have to take a deposition from each of the witnesses on the prosecutions discovery? Does he just call them into his office or does it have to be in a court room? I assume this all has to be done before trial starts.

  164. coffeeocity Says:
    June 9, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Jailbirds, Sharpies, Harpies & Hellcats – OH MY!! 🙂

    —–
    … and you wonder why Brodsky wants to have a trial on the Fiji Islands. Bad girls!

  165. Hi Grandam. I don’t think they depose any of the prosecution witnesses. Brodsky has their testimony in discovery to work from. He gets to cross-examine them during the trial ;-).

  166. bucketoftea Says:

    June 9, 2009 at 4:52 am
    Good Morning!

    Isn’t Joel sitting on a pile of cash they “earned” by appearing on TV over the last 20 months? 6 figures for the interview from jail, for instance. Drew’s share held for legal expenses and any residue for the children? This is what they said they would do with money donated to his defense.

    He’s got plenty of money for legal costs

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Hello bucket,

    Are you sure Drew received a six figure sum for his telephone interview from jail ?

    Could this have been more Brodsky-white- noise as it sounds like an awful lot of money, considering Drew and Joel couldn’t even get a decent (paying) book deal for a very long time and Drew attempted other telephone interviews in lieu for promoting Brodsky’s chicken wings (!!), which hardly translates into anything of monetary value (LOL)

    It seems unimaginable someone would pay Drew a six figure sum for his predictable rubbish or his opinion on the validity of a Grand Jury, unless they were thinking a phone interview from jail would result in a confession and in that case they’ve done their money (!!)

  167. I’ve wondered whether or not that “six figures” from The Today Show was true or not. Actually, it’s nothing said by Boobsky or Drewpie that have me believing it might be, but the fact there’s been not a peep from NBC, NBC News, Today or Matt Lauer in response to fairly strong charges of checkbook “journalism” and plenty of snipe-y comments, even on the MSNBC site.

    Seems like if there was NO truth, there would be some sort of “we’re so much better than that” statement.

    I do, however, believe our Gruesome Twosome could EASILY have lied about the amount of $$$.

  168. I don’t know JAH, I can see them paying it. News media, especially the broadcasters, are always after the ‘exclusive’. Most will pay big bucks to get it. It’s called chequebook journalism. Or, checkbook, as you guys spell it 😉

  169. Checkbook journalism is one name for it… But, because DP is so very special, I’d like to suggest a new name for monies he & his team receive for interviews; How about Scum Sum?

  170. The money for the Matt Lauer interview was a rumor that a Chicago columnist mentioned in a tweet. Later, the tweet disappeared so….I don’t know if there was any truth to that rumor or not.

    I did though, hear some pretty aggressive questioning of Joel during a press conference about being paid for interviews, and he tried to deflect with a cute answer like, “gee, the news media doesn’t pay for interviews”. Sort of like he was throwing it back at that reporter.

    But Hosey has said that Joel has been asking for money for Drew’s time since January 2008.

  171. Steph Watts also said that Joel approached him with an offer of an exclusive with Drew and Chrissy, including footage of them at home together, for $200k.

  172. But Hosey has said that Joel has been asking for money for Drew’s time since January 2008.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Of course there is no doubt they’ve been asking for money from day one, but whether they got it or not is another matter.

    I always thought (maybe erroneously) big money paid for an “exclusive” is to interview someone that doesn’t incessantly talk and has remained elusive or difficult to approach.

    Why pay a six figure sum to someone on a telephone in jail, when this person is always talking anyway and already brags and gasbags for free in the short distance from the jail van to the Courts (LOL)

  173. That’s true, JAH. But, money can also play a role when you’ve got someone making the full circuit and getting good viewer numbers. One of the outlets comes up w. cash for an “exclusive” on a certain aspect of the story or for a certain period of time just to break that cycle and make themselves THE outlet where viewers know they can catch the latest of whatever jabbering mess happens to be passing for news at that point.

  174. Because nobody else has interviewed him from jail. I don’t think stand-up on Mancow is the same thing. He might have been paid the money on the basis he gives nobody else a jailhouse interview.

    Who knows. Brodsky lies so much I can’t keep up with what’s fact and what’s fiction!

  175. Brodsky lies so much I can’t keep up with what’s fact and what’s fiction!

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    WHAT ???

    Brodsky lies ??

    OH NO !!

  176. BTW – Does anybody know what Joel Brodsky means by lodging another appeal to lower the Bond when he finds “weaknesses in the case” ?

    Are these appeals ongoing for the duration of the case or is this just Joel Brodsky talking ??

  177. Joel is blathering out of his rear end again. He probably has not even begun to read over the evidence.

  178. JAH – I thought it was interesting that the “weak case” was part of Joel’s initial motion to reduce the bond. If the judge didn’t accept that at the outset, I don’t know what will make him accept it at some later date…

  179. JAH – I thought it was interesting that the “weak case” was part of Joel’s initial motion to reduce the bond.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh yeah, that’s right facs, I forgot he initially already put that in his Incredible-Motion-To-Reduce-The-Bond and I believe at that stage he hadn’t even received the 6 boxes of discovery yet (!!)

    So from what I understand then he has run out of appeals and unless he can come up with 2 million dollars of unlaundered money, Drew is going to sit in isolation and wait for his children to visit, which I believe to date hasn’t happened yet (!!)

  180. writerofwrongs Says:

    June 9, 2009 at 9:56 pm
    Joel is blathering out of his rear end again. He probably has not even begun to read over the evidence.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL,LOL, You may be right !!

    Why bother read all that stuff if he is never going to say anything that’s relevant to the case anyway (!!)

  181. I don’t think we know about the visits from Drew’s children. I wouldn’t want to be cruel or gloat about something like that. They may very well have been to see him.

    AFAIK Joel can file motions or appeals as he likes throughout the case. I don’t think he has run out of opportunities to do so.

  182. aussienat Says:June 9, 2009 at 8:10 pm
    Who knows. Brodsky lies so much I can’t keep up with what’s fact and what’s fiction!

    Don’t feel bad, neither can he.

  183. PRICE: $135.00

    http://ow.ly/aDei

    Testament from the Grave: Drew Peterson and the New Illinois Hearsay Law

    Join the Honorable David A. Erickson, professor at Chicago-Kent College of Law, and renowed defense attorney Joseph Tacopina of the Law Offices of Tacopina, Seigel & Turano, S.C. as they discuss the many issues that have and will arise because of the new law, the biases on either side, and what the future will hold for this controversial hearsay evidence.

  184. BTW I don’t get this “testament from the grave” mularkey where Kitty Savio is concerned. She testified all over the place, in writing, in official complaints and all.

  185. AS far as DP’s children visiting him, on one of his jail interviews he said the kids were told, that he was helping the police. I’m sure the two oldest boys know whats going on, so it must just be the two little ones who were told that.

    Anyone heard if Brodsky turned over any discovery? He’s been very, very quiet, must be busy.LOL

  186. My comment re the children was based on Joel Brodsky’s statement Drew calls (or speaks to) his children everyday but to date they haven’t visited him.

    This was said only recently by Joel and since Drew has been in the slammer since around May 7, that seems a long time for the children not to have seen their Dad (!!)

  187. bucketoftea Says:

    June 10, 2009 at 8:25 am
    BTW I don’t get this “testament from the grave” mularkey where Kitty Savio is concerned. She testified all over the place, in writing, in official complaints and all.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yeah, now she is deceased it’s hearsay and when she was alive they didn’t want to hear, so what needs to transpire before it actually starts to mean something ??

  188. Re:’ Buckets’ post June 9th 4:46pm: Yes, I too have been following Mike Robinsons, Will County Cricuit Court Schedule for weeks now. (with much interest) I think you and I are on the same page with our thoughts. As to the name you mentioned Joe Tocopina, LOL.. It almost sounds like a name out of the ‘Sopranos” or ‘The God Father Movies’ I can see it now “Joey (the Lip) Tocopina” Da lawyer for da boys. LOL JP

  189. There is some confusion on that site as to who is actually speaking. In one place it states:

    Stephen Turano is a partner at the Law Offices of Tacopina Seigel & Turano, focusing his practice on primarily criminal matters, including complex white collar, public corruption and securities prosecutions, homicides, and other serious felonies. Mr. Turano is no stranger to the spotlight. Over the years, he has represented a number of high-profile clients. Most recently, Mr. Turano, together with his partner, Joseph Tacopina, represented Melanie McGuire, a case which landed on PrimeTime, 48 Hours, and Dateline, and was covered gavel-to-gavel on Court TV. Mr. Turano also serves as an instructor at Cardozo School of Law’s Intensive Trial Advocacy Program and is a member of the CJA Panel for the District Court of New Jersey.

    http://www.tacopinalaw.com/

    I’d love to talk to a top defense attorney like Tacopina and get his true opinion about the way Joel has been handling this case (I think I already know what he’ll say about the hearsay law).

  190. Joe Tacopina came to my attention when he revealed himself as an apologist for those accused and on trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia. He and Paul Ciolino are responsible for a shamelessy biased program on CBS, full of (ahem) inaccuracies.

  191. […] A key part of the prosecution’s strategy against Peterson is the testimony of his fourth wife, Stacey Savio, who disappeared in fall 2007. […]

    … experts? …$135 and wrong names

  192. Facsmiley,

    If I recall correctly, early on in the investigation, Joe Tacopina was a guest talking head on Greta Van Susteren’s “On The Record.” He was clearly appalled at not only the behavior exhibited by Peterson, but by Brodsky, as well.

  193. Joe Tacopina has been putting his two cents in a lot of places.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520482,00.html

    Even if the videos of Drew Peterson’s arrival in court or of his interviews don’t make it into trial, they can still have an effect.

    “Whether it’s admissible or not is one thing …” said Joe Tacopina, a prominent defense attorney in New York. “But it’s certainly admissible in the court of public opinion, which is your jury pool.”

  194. http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/05/new_illinois_hearsay_law_to_sh.html

    The law requires a judge to hold a pretrial hearing to study whether the evidence shows that the defendant killed a witness and did so to prevent the witness from testifying. The judge would also have to decide whether the hearsay is reliable and whether admitting it would be in the best interests of justice.

    The process alone puts the law on shaky ground, according to Joseph Tacopina, a defense attorney whose clients included a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

    Tacopina said the judge’s decision to admit statements would indicate to a jury that the judge thinks the suspect is guilty.

  195. 06/10/2009 Will County Circuit Court Schedule

    VARSEK LAWRENCE E. 8 10 9 900 WCCA SAVIO HENRY J
    09L 000326
    BRODSKY JOEL ALAN 8 10 9 930 402 PETERSON DREW W
    09CF001048 SDW

    PETERSON DREW 8 10 9 WCCA 900
    09L 000326 Case
    PETERSON DREW W 8 10 9 402 930
    09CF001048 0 MURDER/INTENT TO 2 Pre-trial
    PETERSON DREW W 8 10 9 402 930
    09CF001048 0 MURDER/INTENT TO 1 Pre-trial

  196. Thanks, Myabelle and Noway!

    Defense attorney Joseph Tacopina knows what Drew Peterson is trying to do by repeatedly going on television to proclaim his innocence in the disappearance of his wife and death of an ex-wife.

    He gets that the former Bolingbrook police sergeant is trying to quell growing suspicions being fed in the media by angry relatives, neighbors, an ex-wife and scathing words from the likes of TV hosts John Walsh and Geraldo Rivera.

    But he also believes comments Peterson made about his missing wife, along with his behavior after she disappeared, could backfire.

    “He really couldn’t have done anything worse short of saying, `Yeah, I killed her, so what?'” said Tacopina, a lawyer not involved in the Peterson case whose clients have included a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

  197. TACOPINA: This is a shared moment. But we agree on this. Look, Drew Peterson is going to do himself in because your third wife was killed, is dead. Your fourth wife is missing, OK.

    PIRRO: She’s murdered.

    TACOPINA: She’s dead. It’s generally not the subject matter of jokes, Larry. And someone — a juror is likely to think he’s more guilty than someone who should be mourning.

    KING: The defense somehow has to overcome that.

    TACOPINA: Yeah, and I just don’t think they’re going to be able to do it

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/18/lkl.01.html

    It’s interesting that even though Tacopina doesn’t think much of the State’s case, he thinks Drew could very well do himself in just by his awful behavior and comments.

  198. of Nov.22, 2007
    http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/11/22/1114695-lawyers-drew-peterson-on-tv-a-bad-idea

    On Monday, it seemed that Peterson — or at least the attorney he retained last week — recognized that interviews are risky. During a brief interview on “Today,” Joel Brodsky would not let his client respond to most questions.

    “I think you will see his comments tailing off now,” Brodsky said Tuesday.

    But he also said the appearance was necessary to confront statements made by a pathologist who examined Savio’s body on behalf of her family and said he believed the woman was murdered.

    “We had no choice but to dispute it, get our message out,” Brodsky said.

    Tacopina — who said he would not let Joran Van der Sloot, a suspect in Holloway’s disappearance, talk to the media for nine months — said the damage already may have been done in Drew Peterson’s case.

    “Not for a second do I judge this guy, but his stand-up routine in front of his house while his wife is missing is in bad taste and people cannot reconcile that with someone who is grieving,” he said.

    Because of that, along with his answers during interviews, including referring to his wife in the past tense, Peterson might have hurt himself if his fate is put in the hands of a jury, Tacopina said.

    “Things like that, when there is maybe a gap in the evidence, the jury’s disdain for the defendant will often fill that gap where the evidence should be,” he said.

  199. cyrhla says:

    …..“I think you will see his comments tailing off now,” Brodsky said Tuesday.”

    **************

    Ha. Guess that proves Brodsky has a runaway client he can’t control. One that has no respect for him as his defense counsel, or that remark, you will see his comments tailing off now” wouldn’t be so 100% wrong.

    It took a judge, after his client was charged, to accomplish that.

    Ha.

    Ha.

    Ha.

  200. On the other hand, maybe Jowlsky didn’t mis-speak when he said “tailing off” instead of “trailing off.” May be he just knew by then that Drewpie was only capable of talking out of his ass! LOL

  201. bucketoftea Says:
    June 10, 2009 at 2:08 pm edit

    Didn’t they also promise to shut up when once he was actually charged?
    ************

    Yes, Ms. Bucket, I believe you are right. Which proves yet another thing.

    Whatever Brodsky says, or has said, expect the exact opposite.

  202. hmmmm…. one human year is seven dog years… and there were three human days of silence. How many is that is Drool Days?

  203. TACOPINA: She’s dead. It’s generally not the subject matter of jokes, Larry. And someone — a juror is likely to think he’s more guilty than someone who should be mourning.

    KING: The defense somehow has to overcome that.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That last reply made me laugh, considering the defense is as guilty of making a spectacle of themselves(if not more) than their client.

    If Drew had a decent lawyer from day one, someone that could have at least surpressed his Sociopathy, people may have looked at him differently, but all Joel has done is exerberate the situation with his own infliction (!!)

  204. “I think you will see his comments tailing off now,” Brodsky said Tuesday.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yeah and that article was dated november 22, 2007

    LOL, LOL

  205. I’d like to know what Joel Brodsky calls a “weakness of the State’s Case”

    a) the fact there’s only six boxes of discovery ?

    b) the fact there’s only 9.4000 pages of documents ?

    c) the fact there’s only hundreds of potential witnesses ?

    Which one is it Joel ??

  206. judgin Says:

    June 10, 2009 at 8:47 pm
    It’s all those dang hours and months of overhears

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh yeah, LOL, the hours and months of overhears with nothing on it to incriminate Drew and Joel – LOL !

  207. DP gotta sit in the clink while the preparation for trial is taking place. Hope they take a long time studying those 9400 pages of HEARSAY SUPPORT… LOL

  208. Oh yes, they gotta listen to all those hundreds of hours of OverHears too…ROTFLMAO

    That oughta give the ‘Dream Team’ a few nightmares..

    😀

  209. I think the fact that he is STILL sitting in a jail cell tells me he doesn’t really have the money to post bail, contrary to what Ernie Raines thinks.

    Either that, or he doesn’t want to post it because he is confident he’ll be acquitted!

    BTW: if somebody does post bail and then gets acquitted, do they get the money back, or is that gone forever???

  210. Oh, they’ll get it back (don’t think they get any interest though).

    I wonder if Droop said something unflattering about JB himself on the overhears. It’s got to be a possibility. He’s not exactly loyal.

    Do we know if Mike Robinson is in custody? We don’t know what charges there are against Steve Carcerano except it’s a felony? Was he trying to launder money for Drew through the casinos and buying property? I am very curious about all the Robinson/Carcerano angles.

  211. LOL love the piano cat! What a shame I can’t find the long version of that interview with JB. The rest of it was pretty funny, too, talking about himself and his ambition to be on tv.

  212. Assienat, if he is sentenced, 10% (1% of the initial amount) of the bail is left for the State. It would be now 250.000 bucks. As for the costs of the investigation I think it is pretty well calculated ;).

    If Drew had the money and paid the bail he may next have problems with the Revenue Office. How can he prove having earned all this money if he says he does not charge for a book and interviews (which could be not accepted as well as it might have come from criminal activity)?

    I think they have had a plan which – unfortunatelly for them – did not work as well as their connections. Drew’s company had not even taken into consideration the bail could be so high.
    IMO, their self-confidence put Drew behind the bars for much longer than they were expecting. Good for us (=justice)!

  213. Morning, bucket 🙂
    As far as I can remember Drew was laughing at Brodsky behind his back with Nurse Pauline (at his home)and it was recorded by Paula and Lenny.

  214. Good Morning Cyrhla!

    oooh. I can’t remember hearing about Drew and Nursie dissing JB! Oh my goodness could Paulie and Jowl’s friendly working relationship be under threat when JB reads that? They each must wonder what Paulie and Joel have said behind Droop’s back and what Drew and Joel have said about Paulie.

  215. Of course, they’re all grownups and should be able to put that aside, but that’s 3 big egos dented, so who knows?

  216. Do they have the actual recordings among the discovery materials? I think they must otherwise they couldn’t accept the State’s transcript.

    I think the only way to go through it is to sit together with Droop and listen to the whole thing. That will be why they have the extraordinary arrangement to have virtually unlimited visits, I guess 🙂

  217. Now Brodsky has to put a motion letting him move to Drew LOL.

    If they got on the tapes the information which, as Glasgow said only the murderer could know, it would be hard for Drew and Brodsky to prove that it was only a joke.

  218. If anyone is interested:

    WGN 720-AM airs the first segment of its two-part “The People v. Drew Peterson” special from 11 a.m. to 12:45 p.m. Sunday, June 14. Taped last month, it finds “Legally Speaking” hosts Greg Adamski and Karen Conti taking part in a mock trial of final arguments and jury deliberations.

  219. Good Afternoon everyone. Between the ‘hearsay” that will be allowed in to the trial, actual incriminating information that Drew may have spilled on the Lenny and Paul’s tapes, I would think both Brodsky and Drew knows he is done. I don’t think Brodsky is going to come out of this either looking professional in any way shape or form. I think it was said by Lenny, that they have on tape; Brodsky asking Lenny and Paula to go after Joe Hosey in some way to scare him. Brodsky was mad at Hosey for the things he wrote about Brodsky..and the fact that he got a book out before Drew.

    As to Carcerano and especially Robinson, I expect one of the them to roll over on Drew. Knowning the gluttony for money o right now to set up a future Book Deal with a publishing House to get big bucks down the line. Even if Drew wanted to get a new Lawyer, there is no lawyer of significance that would want to take this case after all the yapping he and his Lawyer have participated in. Just some thoughts here. PJ

  220. grandam Says:
    June 9, 2009 at 5:09 pm edit

    Can anyone give me a clue on how this works? Does Brodsky have to take a deposition from each of the witnesses on the prosecutions discovery? Does he just call them into his office or does it have to be in a court room? I assume this all has to be done before trial starts.
    *****************

    Sorry, Grandam, I just saw this.

    Depositions that are requested by an attorney are usually done in their office. Both sides are represented by counsel, and a court reporter is present. There’s no judge overseeing the deposition.

    As part of the discovery process, both sides have the right to subpoena a witness to appear before trial for a deposition. A deposition is merely a statement given by a witness under oath before trial, in response to questions by the attorneys for both sides of the case. It is ordinarily given at the offices of an attorney, and in the presence of the prosecutor, defense attorney, and a stenographer. The questions and answers are then transcribed and a copy is given to each side for use at trial.

  221. With the state having such a loooong list of witnesses and the defense seeking a speedy trial, it will be interesting to see who Blobsky chooses to depose. He just doesn’t have time to depose even half of them. I guess DP will have to guide him as to who might know which worse fact(s)?…

  222. Cyrhla – no, and, to my knowledge, there is no official transcript of the complete coroner’s investigation available anywhere online. Any references to it leads you to a blank page. I’ve seen references to it, but, again, there is no transcript anywhere to be found.

    At one point, Greta VanSustern made reference to it on one of her shows, so there is one that exists. Just not for our eyes.

  223. I am asking because I have it but it is in .pdf format.
    I can send it to you and you or facs could put it on Scribd and everyone could read it, but I do not know any contact email to you.

    I found it pretty interesting.

  224. Cyrhla – is what you have different from this?

  225. Yes, it is something different.It is an examination run by O’Neil during the coroner’s jury. I am trying to attach it to my mail to you but it does not load. Maybe it is too big. I tried OCR but the result is horrible so I am going to rewrite it. Be patient, please.

  226. Great, thanks.

    Greta has mentioned that transcript (and waved it around) but I’ve never come across it.

    “we went back and looked at the transcript from the coroner’s jury, the one from May 1. And just so that the viewers know, is that the Illinois State Police, Herbert Hardy (ph), was testifying, and he says, in part, “The only thing we’re waiting for now is some phone records, to find out if certain phone calls were made when they said they were made….

    …There’s another part where even a coroner’s juror member said to the witness, to the Illinois State Police witness, “Are they verifying the phone records, correct, that the calls were made?” The witness, “Yes, those take quite a while to get. So yes, we’ve got phone records coming from her phone, his phone, Steve’s phone and the rest of it. So yes, we still have to verify that.” And that was on May 1…”

  227. coffeeocity Says:

    June 11, 2009 at 1:48 pm
    With the state having such a loooong list of witnesses and the defense seeking a speedy trial, it will be interesting to see who Blobsky chooses to depose. He just doesn’t have time to depose even half of them. I guess DP will have to guide him as to who might know which worse fact(s)?…

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes, the time has come for Joel Brodsky & Co to show they are capable of handling a case as large as this.

    Even if Joel has an extremely large and professional team behind him, he is severely going to be pushed for time.

    As Joel himself has said, there are “literally hundreds of potential witnesses” and that is besides the mountain of documents, transcripts to get through.

    Besides the time factor, how is he going to funds this massive defense as he can’t possibly do it all on his own (!!)

  228. JAH said, “Besides the time factor, how is he going to funds this massive defense …” Think he’s counting on a huge boom in the Wing market? 😉

  229. As to funding for the defense, perhaps Boobsky’s anticipating a huge boom in the chicken wing market? 😉

  230. …There’s another part where even a coroner’s juror member said to the witness, to the Illinois State Police witness, “Are they verifying the phone records, correct, that the calls were made?” The witness, “Yes, those take quite a while to get. So yes, we’ve got phone records coming from her phone, his phone, Steve’s phone and the rest of it. So yes, we still have to verify that.” And that was on May 1…”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I never understood that part of the Coroners Jury hearing.

    They presented the case without even having verified (via telephone records) where Drew was on the night (??)

    They just said: “we haven’t got the telephone records yet” and that was it (!!)

    And the Jury still needed to make a decision and in record time too (!!)

  231. Facs,
    I sent it to you. Sorry, but I had to paste it as an image to Word. It does not want to go through in pdf.
    I hope you can do sth more practical with it than me 🙂

  232. Can anyone enlighten me about what drew said about boobsky to nurse pauline on the overhears? This is the first time I have heard about it. Thanks 🙂

  233. http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=300007

    Body found in Des Plaines River ID’d as Chicago woman

    By Christy Gutowski | Daily Herald Staff
    Published: 6/11/2009 5:26 PM

    Police identified Thursday a Chicago woman whose body was discovered last month floating in the Des Plaines River near DuPage County.

    Lisa Clark, 46, of the 6400 block of Carpenter Street, was reported missing April 29.

    A passer-by discovered Clark’s nude body May 27 in the river in southwest Cook County, near the Willow Springs Road bridge. Her remains were brought to a Downers Grove Township boat launch, which is when DuPage County officials became involved.

    Earlier this week, authorities appealed to the public for help with identification. They described the dark-haired woman as standing 5 feet, 7.5 inches tall with a thin build. Of particular note, though, was that she did not have any lower teeth and only had 5 remaining in her upper gum.

    Her family contacted authorities after learning of the grisly discovery. Though earlier fingerprint comparisons failed to garner any clues, armed with a possible name and more complete records, police were able to confirm her name.

    An autopsy did not reveal how Clark died.

    Authorities said there were no obvious signs of foul play, but there is evidence of physical injuries, including to her pelvic bones. At this point, though, it’s unclear if the injuries were intentionally inflicted or the result of being exposed to certain elements, such as boat traffic, while in the river.

    Sgt. Juan Valenzuela of the Illinois State Police stopped short Thursday of calling it a homicide investigation. The DuPage County state’s attorneys office is involved.

    “Right now, the matter for us is a death investigation,” Valenzuela said.

  234. So, can anybody tell me about the overhears when drew dissed Brodsky? I have hunted through the archives ut can’t find anything.

  235. Thanks facs and rescue.

    I have been going back over some of the archives here, because I missed a couple of months when I was travelling across your country last year.

    A lot of them have comments closed off, but in the ones I read, somebody said Drew dissed Brodsky when Lenny and Paula were taping him. Maybe I read it wrong.

    It sure is interesting reading some of the comments back in the early days of this case! Man, there was a lot of hatred coming from some of the posters wasn’t there?!

  236. Aussienat, FYI when you see a notice that “comments are closed” for a thread, that only means that no new comments can be added. All the original comments are still there and can be read.

  237. lol noway – thin line between love and hate
    The Pretenders song

    second verse:
    The sweetest woman in the world
    Could be the meanest woman in the world
    If you make her that way
    You keep hurting her
    Shell keep being quiet
    She might be holding something inside
    That’ll really, really hurt you one day

  238. I kind of remember Lenny saying something about DiP dissing Brodsky.
    Or maybe what I remember is when Lenny said DiP and Brodsky were dissing nurse pauline:

    Is it just me or does anyone else think Paul Huebl is a f….king idiot?……….
    You wanted $500.00 a day, air fare, a rental car, daily meals, and hotel stay to come out to Bolingbrook. But Joel and Drew told you no because they think your stupid and said you were way too costly (Drew told all this to Len back when he thought them two were friends) . Joel and Drew laugh at you, ya dumb ass, but said since your help is for free they would let you. Then you told them about putting cameras on Drew’s house and Joel told you that although you were a bit too pricey that maybe you could direct Drew on how to do it and help him find some good used equipment (any of this so far ringing a bell with you Paul)? Your a loud mouth bitch and that’s why you got your ass whooped and pistol whipped in Phoenix, Arizona while delivering a eviction notice (you were so scared that you emptied your .38 revolver into the night air not knowing if you struck the assailant or not…lol your like Barney Fife from Mayberry) , do you remember that? You’re not worried about doing jack shit other than stirring trouble

    https://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2008/08/25/your-thread-august-25/#comment-30414

  239. Good morning! LOL the above quote sounds authentic/ likely. ha ha ha.

    Crimeflies is all about defending a female cop who is charged with murdering the bride of an ex-boyfriend years ago. The element in common with Droopy is that it doesn’t appear to have been investigated properly so to cover-up. Family and friends of the victim have always suspected the PO.

    The coldcase crew have now turned up her DNA in saliva from a bite on the victim sustained during the fatal attack. He could increase his credibility by choosing his causes a bit more carefully, couldn’t he?

    Paulie and Brodsky signed up with Drew on spec for the same “fame” reasons. yuck.

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