Remembering Stacy Ann Peterson

October 28, 2009: Today marks the second anniversary of the disappearance of Stacy Peterson.

Let’s try to remember this today and mark it in some way in our own lives. Her passing has meaning. Her absence is felt. Her family and friends mourn her, yet they have no closure and no justice.

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On October 28, 2007, after ending a phone call with a friend, Stacy Ann Peterson was never seen nor heard from again. She’s lovingly and fondly remembered by her sister, family and friends as a wonderful, devoted mom, someone who loved to be with family, especially when gathering to celebrate a happy occasion, and someone who wouldn’t hesitate to help another, if needed. Stacy’s disappearance and ensuing story touched many people, including strangers who never knew or met her–strangers who devoted week after week to search for her, who became friends with her sister and family members, and vowed to keep looking for her until she was found.

Tuesday, October 27, the WE network show: “Secret Lives of Women” is airing an episode called “Loved & Controlled” which will feature three stories, one of them the Drew Peterson cases. Anna Doman and Cassandra Cales , will be talking about their sisters, Kathleen Savio and Stacy Peterson and what life was like living with Drew Peterson.

In the clip below, Cassandra looks back at Stacy’s life, and her disappearance.

And Anna Doman talks about the mysterious death of her sister.

Upcoming Air Dates:
Tuesday, October 27 at 10pm | 9c
Tuesday, November 3 at 11pm | 10c
Tuesday, November 10 at 4pm | 3c
Tuesday, November 24 at 8pm | 7c
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226 thoughts on “Remembering Stacy Ann Peterson

  1. Almost 2 years now without a trace. My prayers continue to go out to the kids and the family/friends of both Kathleen and Stacy.

  2. Thanks for the info about the episode.
    I cannot belive it is two years since Stacy went missing.

    I found you post on Stebic very interesting, TAI. I am sure the time will come for Stebic as well.

  3. Thought this was interesting:

    The sister of Kathleen Savio, Drew Peterson’s third wife who was found dead in her bathtub in 2004. Although Kathleen’s death was initially ruled an accident, Anna and her family always believed that it was a homicide. They were relieved when investigators decided to re-open the case after Stacy Peterson disappeared in 2007. Anna says that Kathleen told her that she was afraid for her life and that should anything happen to her, Drew did it. The question of whether Anna can testify to this at Drew’s trial is one of the biggest issues facing prosecutors.

    And, yes, it must be just heartbreaking for Stacy’s family to have this go on for two years. I can’t imagine how it would feel to have my sister “disappear” or to “have an accident” and to feel sure I knew why, only to wait and wait for justice.

  4. Any time I look at Cassandra’s pictures or videos I want to hug her though I know it would not help much.

    I also cannot imagine being in her shoes. Two years of waiting and the lack of the closest person she probably ever had.

  5. Cyrhla – no, the remains were not identified.

    Yes, it is heartbreaking what Cassandra endures. Cassandra only wants her sister to be found, and to be able to have Anthony and Lacy be a part of her life forever. It’s sickening how someone (I really mean some “thing”) like Peterson can screw up his own life and manage to take down a whole lot of people with him.

  6. I just recived info that Susan Doman sister of Kathleen Savio. Will be speaking tomorrow October 27th, at the Zeke Giorgi Legal Clinic at The Talcott Building 319 West State Street at 5:30 pm in Downtown Rockford Il. Sue will be talking about Domemestic Violence and how she learned the effects that it has on her family,and preventions Sue and her husband Mitchell arethe only family members of Kathllen to attend all hearings.

  7. Thanks Theo!

    Here’s a flyer for the event:
    http://law.niu.edu/law/clinic/SLODVFlyer09.pdf

    The 17th Judicial Circuit Court Family Violence Coordinating Council,
    Judge Rosemary Collins, Chairperson Cordially invites you to attend:

    Shining the Light on Domestic Violence

    This brief ceremony will recognize and honor those affected by all forms of family violence including: intimate partner violence; elder abuse, neglect and exploitation; teen dating violence and child abuse and neglect. Please help us continue raising awareness about the problem of domestic violence by joining us as we close out Domestic Violence Awareness Month with this ceremony.

    Presentations by:
    Judge Rosemary Collins, Chairperson of 17th FVCC
    Susan Doman, Sister to Kathleen Savio

    Music provided by:
    Officer Lisa Hodges
    Julie Mahoney

    Tuesday, October 27, 2009
    5:30 pm –6:15 pm
    Zeke Giorgi Legal Clinic,
    Talcott Building
    319 West State Street,
    Rockford, Illinois

    THIS EVENT IS OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY

    Contact Andrea Carlson for more information at 815-516-2446 or email to acarlson@wincoil.us

    17th Judicial Circuit Court Family Violence Coordinating Council 2009

    http://law.niu.edu/law/clinic/index.shtml

  8. rescueapet :
    Cyrhla – no, the remains were not identified.
    Yes, it is heartbreaking what Cassandra endures. Cassandra only wants her sister to be found, and to be able to have Anthony and Lacy be a part of her life forever. It’s sickening how someone (I really mean some “thing”) like Peterson can screw up his own life and manage to take down a whole lot of people with him.

    Yes it screwed up a lot of things. There’s a great big hole in my heart. I guess it isn’t going away any time soon either.

  9. Oh, the shenanigans…

    Drew Peterson Sues JPMorgan Chase Bank for Freezing Quarter-Million Home Equity Line
    Hires nationally known attorney to gain access to the money that he says he needs to defend himself against murder charges.

    (PRNewsChannel) / October 27, 2009 / Chicago, Ill. / Drew Peterson, charged with killing his third wife and accused in the disappearance of his fourth, has filed suit against JPMorgan Chase Bank (NYSE:JPM) claiming it illegally suspended his approximate quarter-million Home Equity Line of Credit or HELOC.

    The suit alleges that the line of credit was issued in 2005 but was arbitrarily suspended after Peterson’s arrest in May, 2009 despite the fact he was an approved, qualified customer.

    “Mr. Peterson is suing JPMorgan Chase to gain access to the money so he can defend himself against the first degree murder charge that he killed his late wife, Kathleen Savio, for which he is being held on a $20-million bond until trial,” says Joel Brodsky, Peterson’s lead criminal defense attorney.

    Brodsky says Peterson has hired Walter Maksym, a nationally known, veteran attorney to file the suit against JPMorgan Chase Bank in U.S. District Court in Chicago.

    “Everyone is entitled to use their property in order to maintain a defense against the might of the State, that we are taxed to sustain. Mr. Peterson should be able to use HIS OWN MONEY so that already overburdened and struggling taxpayers do not have to also pay for the enormous defense costs,” says Maksym. “We will hold Chase, the bank that is sitting on billions of our hard earned ‘bailout’ tax money, for refusing to honor and reneging on their commitment for the benefit of us all.

    “I decided to take this highly controversial case because of the critical issues involved that are of public importance and to stop Chase from getting away with unconscionable conduct.”

    Joel Brodsky and Walter Maksym are available for interviews. Please use the contact information below.

    Complaint PDF: http://www.prnewschannel.com/pdf/PetersonvChaseCOMPLAINTEFILED10-26-09.pdf

    http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=1758&z=4

  10. Back in May of 2008 Joel said this at the SYM forum: “The house is paid for and there is a large home equity line for about half its value that can be accessed by either Drew or Stacy”

    He also mentioned at that time that Drew had transfered $250,000 from that line of equity to his son, then later changed his mind and put it back.

    I wonder at what point it was frozen?

  11. Anyway, I thought Joel already told us how Drew was going to pay for his legal fees:

    MANCOW: “You’re never going to get paid. He isn’t going to have the money to pay you.”

    JOEL: “Yes, he is! Drew not only was a police officer but he was a business man. He owned a bar. He had a printing company. He had a photography company. He had, if I recall, five different businesses. All were profitable.”

  12. C’mon, tell me I’m not the only one enjoying the consistent use of “weather” for “whether” throughout the PDF:

    wheather CHASE’S suspension a total reduction of the
    PETERSON’S credit limit…”

  13. OK, this just ain’t even a sentence:

    “In so doing CHASE knowingly and intentionally and unreasonably, unlawfully, and falsely pretextual reason trigger its freeze PETERSON’S HELCO.”

  14. How does Joel think he’s going to collect “damages” when Drew is not convicted? Exactly how has he been damaged by the frozen equity? As far was we can see he has yet to be denied any services by his defense. Joel may get Chase to relelnt and give up the equity, but he can’t prove any damage whatsoever. Nice try, though….

  15. “I decided to take this highly controversial case because of the critical issues involved that are of public importance and to stop Chase from getting away with unconscionable conduct.”

    And just who or what is going to fill the pockets of Attorney Walter Maksym to sue Chase to pay Brodsky, who hired him to sue Chase?

    I’m missing something here because I’m not in the least bit concerned that Chase is getting away with freezing funds of a man (I hate using that term for him) that is accused of murdering his wives and has to find a way to pay the defense lawyers to save his sorry ass. I think it’s rather fitting that this man (there I go again) has been handed a fitting financial drain on his funds after all he’s been known to pull getting it in the first place.

  16. …and his criminal defense has not been and will continue to be unable, due to the lack of access to his said HELOC to, inter alia: (a) seek out, obtain and employ the services of a “domestic relations” expert to testify at trial regarding the State’s purported motive and contradict the states theory of “motive” in order to properly prepare, present, and conduct an effective defense at the criminal trial;

    Awww…they can’t afford to pay Budenz…

  17. …seek out, obtain and employ the services of license private detectives and investigators to locate, interview, and obtain statements and other data and information from key witnesses in order to properly prepare, present, and conduct an effective defense at the criminal trial;

    Wah…they can’t afford to pay Armstrong and Pauly…

  18. Drew Peterson suing JP Morgan Chase

    October 27, 2009

    BY KARA SPAK Staff Reporter

    Drew Peterson, accused of killing his third wife, sued JP Morgan Chase in federal court late Monday, accusing the bank of illegally cutting off a sizable home equity credit line.

    The suit claims in May 2005, Peterson received a home equity credit line from Chase for $220,000. The credit line — which the former Bolingbrook cop now wants to use to post part of his bond, pay his attorneys and hire expert witnesses — was suspended by the bank in May 2009.

    The bank cited “imprisonment” as the cause of the suspension, the suit said.

    “If he doesn’t get the money and his assets are frozen he’ll have to petition the court to allow him to use tax money to be able to hire all these expensive expert witnesses,” said Walter Maksym, who is representing Peterson in the suit. “Taxpayers are already paying for the prosecution. He’s up against he might of the state and now his major asset is not accessible to him.”

    Maksym said Peterson’s annual income of nearly $109,000 is more than he was earning when he applied for the credit line.

    Peterson is currently receiving $6,067.71 monthly from his Bolingbrook police pension and $2,758 monthly from Social Security, the suit said.

    The suit claims Chase violated the truth-in-lending act, breached its contract with Peterson and violated the Illinois Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act, among other charges. The suit is asking for the home equity line of credit and damages if his credit is not restored.

    “They’ve slandered his credit” so that Peterson can’t get credit from another bank, Maksym said. “If he gets convicted because they can’t get his assets they [Chase] might be on the hook for that.”

    A Chase spokesperson declined comment.

    Peterson is currently being held on a $20 million bond in Will County on charges that he killed his third wife, Kathleen Savio, in 2004. Peterson’s fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, has been missing since October 2007.

    Maksym said using your home’s equity as bond is part of the reason to have a home equity credit line.

    “Remember ‘Goodfellas’ when Lorraine Bracco puts up her mother’s house for Ray Liotta?” he said. “It’s a classic thing.”

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/1848923,drew-peterson-lawsuit-chase-102709.article

  19. “They’ve slandered his credit” so that Peterson can’t get credit from another bank, Maksym said. “If he gets convicted because they can’t get his assets they [Chase] might be on the hook for that.”

    Huh? He’s accused of murdering his ex-wife, and it might be Chase’s fault?

    Peterson is, yet again, the victim. Except he’s breathing, which gives him the advantage.

  20. I still say any concept of “damages” is ridiculous at this point. Peterson hasn’t even gone to trial, much less been convicted so what are they suing for…the possibility of damages? Talk about getting laughed out of court…

  21. It almost sounds as though they’re giving that “vindictive prosecution” idea a whirl again. In fact, I believe I read in the complaint that the defense is accusing Chase of withholding information that backs up their reasons for freezing the line of credit, other than “imprisonment.”

    Facs is right – how can there be damages if he hasn’t been convicted of anything yet? Are they inferring he’s “damaged” because he can’t use any of those funds to help him bond out, or are they inferring he’ll be damaged because he’s going to be convicted for lack of funds to be able to pay for a proper defense? I mean, pick one already.

  22. So thats what a Home Equity Line of Credit is used for. Geeesh I better go out and get one, in case I ever have to post bond. Where do they come up with this stuff?????

  23. Google “Joel Brodsky” and “Walter Maksym” and you’ll come up with a blog post at Pauly’s (re the gun charges) that may show how these two hoary legal masterminds met.

    Who would have thought that Nurse Pauline was not only an ex-cop, P.I., and screenwriter, but a match-maker as well!

  24. Was the home Stacy shared w. DP not in both of their names? His name alone? If not, wouldn’t he need his “runaway, bikini-clad wife” to “show herself” and sign in order to access the HELOC?

  25. coffeeocity :

    Was the home Stacy shared w. DP not in both of their names? His name alone? If not, wouldn’t he need his “runaway, bikini-clad wife” to “show herself” and sign in order to access the HELOC?

    AFAIK either one of them is (or was) free to access the account and make transactions.

  26. Don’t you slander your own credit when you max out a credit line?? If he went and got a cash advance on any of his credit cards that maxed it out (or even did a quick 50% hit) then those credit card companies would also probably close down your remaining line.

    If it weren’t for the mortgage market meltdown, I’d say he may have had a slight chance at a case but in this market the banks are closing down many people’s HELOCs during this same exact time frame and for even lesser reasons than someone being put in jail on $20M bond.

    IDK I personally think this case is just going to cost Drew more money and he won’t get a penny out of it.

  27. Seems like this was the next step after Joel & Co found out they wouldn’t get paid by the homeowner’s insurance company. I have to think this move also shows that either Drew is starting to go stir crazy and want out really bad or Joel and Co are getting nervous they won’t get paid.

  28. TAI, I agree. Both of Joel’s last moves have entailed attempts to get big payouts from coporate entities, ostensibly for his client, but ultimately to benefit himself.

    I never thought I would echo the words of Mancow but, Dude, “You’re never going to get paid!”

  29. Here’s a link to the federal guidelines:

    http://files.ots.treas.gov/481121.pdf

    And here is a snippet:

    The creditor reasonably believes that the consumer will be unable to make payments as agreed because of a material change in the consumer’s financial circumstances. It is important to recognize that this exception requires both a material change in a borrower’s financial situation and the creditor’s reasonable belief that the borrower will not be able to repay the HELOC account as agreed.

    So – Since JPMC only listed imprisonment as their reason they may have to argue exactly how they felt that was a material change in his financial status when he was getting pension and social security which he still gets while in jail. It’ll be interesting to hear what happens with this case.

  30. I can’t imagine that John Q. Public is going to buy into the defense idea that Peterson is the victim here — that he’s being denied money that is rightfully his for lack of a good reason, that he’s being slandered by his HELOC lender in a way that is blackballing him from getting money through any other reputable lenders, and that he is in jeopardy of being wrongly convicted because he lacks funds to put on a defense.

    If you “do the math,” he needs $1,780,000.00 added to the $220,000.00 in order to bond out. Honesty, are we to believe that Peterson could have borrowed that kind of money had he not been slandered by Chase/JP Morgan and blackballed?

    What justifies a fair payment for investigators, forensic experts and attorneys in order to put on a viable defense? If he’s not even been tried and/or convicted yet, how has he suffered for it? Isn’t that an issue that should be pursued after a conviction? I thought Brodsky has been singing over and over that the State’s case is weak and circumstantial, so what’s the problem here?

  31. True on all of the money that is needed for him to be bailed out. Maybe Joel wants to get paid so he can prove Mancow wrong??

  32. Hi Chaps!

    I like how he says it’s “HIS” money. No it’s not, silly. It’s a loan agreement secured on the equity you have in your (and Stacy’s) house. Not really the same thing, is it?

    Apart from the caution over his future ability to make the payments, it’s not exactly outside the realms of a sure thing that any time now he’s not going to have any equity.

  33. I know this confirms me as a real juvenile, but…LOL!

    …knowingly failed and refused to timely reinstate PETERSON’S credit privileges when tit was informed by BRODSKY on his behalf…

  34. Now I think about it, it may yet be demonstrated (any time now) that he never in truth had any equity to begin with because his mortgage was fraudulant. …Kitty’s signature obtained under threat and all…

  35. facsmiley :
    I know this confirms me as a real juvenile, but…LOL!

    …knowingly failed and refused to timely reinstate PETERSON’S credit privileges when tit was informed by BRODSKY on his behalf…

    Nelson Muntz and I say Ha Ha.

  36. Jowlsky must be pretty fed up. Wot? No limos? No media scmoozing and hospitality snacks? No retainer? How many chess moves more ahead can you see a cheque? Ha Ha

  37. Like I told Facs, looks like the money dried up even for paying administrative/clerical help, and the guys with the J.D. are doing the typing. And a fine job they are, tits and all.

  38. Honestly, I didn’t think anyone could write a legal brief as badly as Brodsky, but besides “wheather” and “tits” he’s got a few identical items in his bulleted list of damages, etc. It’s so incredibly sloppy.

  39. That’s arrogance. He should flipping well know better. No respect. I think it’s an affront to the courts. Like turning up in court dressed for the beach.

    That said, I haven’t seen any other examples…maybe 60% of attorneys produce crap. Who’s to know for sure? LOL

  40. Geez, I thought Drew wanted the trial to go forward. Didn’t he indicate to Len at some point that he wanted to be tried and aqcuitted before they “found” Stacy? Plus, the longer they delay, the more bookable hours this legal team is putting in…and not being paid for, evidently.

    At times, it seems to me that no one cares about anything in this situation but money.

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  42. I’m thinking this came because of the wrongful death charges that DP account was froze. Not sure why the bank would tell DP of his denial to funds because he was in jail.So my question is if Joel is just leading us up another wrong way street? I wonder if the bank will offer a rebuttal to these claims or since they are being sued,remain quiet and fight this out in court. Which is one tactic Joel should of stuck with from day 1.

  43. The document out there does include the ones from Chase along with affadavits from the workers there about why they did it. I think they should have had more than just “incarceration” as their reason. IDK – it will be interesting to see how Chase fights back.

  44. Chase representatives have already said “no comment” and they won’t. They’ll let it be settled through the lawyers. I’m sure we’ll get press releases though if Drew’s side gets any feelings of potentially good news.

  45. God Bless Stacy and God Bless Kathleen.

    I pray answers and closure will come some day soon for these women and their families !!

  46. Here’s an excerpt from the Chicago Tribune about Chase’s reasons:

    The bank sent Peterson a letter dated May 15 saying the account was being frozen due to Peterson’s “imprisonment.” Affidavits filed by Chase executives in response to subpoenas filed by Peterson’s criminal defense attorney said it was a “pure banking decision” and that Peterson would be “unable to pay his account if we allowed it to be substantially drawn down.”

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/10/drew-peterson-kathleen-savio-bolingbrook-stacy-lawsuit-jpmorgan-chase-credit.html

  47. Oh well these latest developments kind of answered one of my questions a few posts back in regard to Insurance Companies and I wasn’t even thinking about Drews line of credit at the time (!!)

    Amazing yet again these peoples sense of entitlement, calling a line of credit Drews own money.

    It wouldn’t be called a line a credit if it were Drews own money, it would be called savings.

  48. Looks like one news source made a couple of big mistakes in their article. According to them Drew is currently released after posting merely $200K. Derrr!

    http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7085586

    Drew Peterson sues bank
    Tuesday, October 27, 2009 | 3:47 PM

    October 27, 2009 (CHICAGO) (WLS) — Drew Peterson is suing JPMorgan Chase.

    He’s accusing the bank of illegally cutting off his $220,000 home equity credit line.

    Peterson is charged with killing his third wife Kathleen Savio.

    He is currently free after paying $200,000 of a $20 million bond.

    The suit claims Chase violated the truth-in-lending act and breached its contract with Peterson, among other charges. The bank cited “imprisonment” as the cause of the suspension in May 2009.

    Peterson wanted to use that money to post part of his bond, pay his attorneys and hire expert witnesses.

  49. rescueapet :
    Here’s an excerpt from the Chicago Tribune about Chase’s reasons:
    The bank sent Peterson a letter dated May 15 saying the account was being frozen due to Peterson’s “imprisonment.” Affidavits filed by Chase executives in response to subpoenas filed by Peterson’s criminal defense attorney said it was a “pure banking decision” and that Peterson would be “unable to pay his account if we allowed it to be substantially drawn down.”
    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/10/drew-peterson-kathleen-savio-bolingbrook-stacy-lawsuit-jpmorgan-chase-credit.html

    And they are damn right.
    If Drew is convicted, he will lose his pension as he took advantage of his position as a policeman and (possibly) commited a crime being on duty.

  50. The line of credit is on the equity in his home and if your circumstances change with the likely hood the equity in your home could be under threat because you couldn’t pay your account, the line of credit gets withdrawn.

    I suppose sitting in prison could be considered a change in circumstances if ever there was one.

  51. TAI – Good catch – Facs and I were just commenting on that amongst ourselves. Isn’t that a poor excuse of reporting? Geesh.

    Lots of people out of work – maybe they should hire a few to act as proof readers to ensure the accuracy of their reports.

  52. He is currently free after paying $200,000 of a $20 million bond.
    ——–
    I do not like it! Even as a journalist’s mistake.

  53. He wasn’t just arrested or just incarcerated, he’s been charged with 1st degree murder and has $20 million bail. Also facing a wrongful death civil suit which if lost would cause him to lose mucho too mucho. That would be irresponsible lending. 🙂

  54. I’m confused. Did they follow up on this letter of denial? I would be writing letters and making a lot of phone calls to get to the bottom of it all. I have to admit that the letter of explanation of denial sounds rather vague. Does this mean they only got the one letter and the bank ignored to respond to follow up questions. Isn’t there appeal legalities to follow? Then you got to wonder why DP didn’t try to take this loan out before going to jail? Possibly he couldn’t? So is someone leaving something out of this whole issue?

  55. Also if Joel Brodsky has’nt been paid and isn’t likely going to get paid because “Drew doesn’t have any money”, Joel Brodsky also needs to go after Drews assets, just like everyone else, so it’s not hard to see anyone with a stake in Drews finances is going to protect their interest first, such as cutting off the line of credit, etc.

  56. Well, if he is out, it’s a big secret so far. He needs $2,000,000.00 to get out, so if someone put up that kind of money, I guess we’ll be hearing about it soon. However, Channel 7 news said he paid $200,000.00 on his $20,000,000.00 bond, so I don’t get the math.

  57. My guess is Drew took out $ 250.000.00 of the Home Equity loan and transferred it to Steven in the very beginning.

    According to Joel that money was returned to the account shortly there after.

    Well hmmmm, maybe Drew lied to Joel (!!)

  58. JAH – you don’t need to guess about Drew withdrawing that money back in May of ’08 to give to his son. Joel has said that he did that…and that he put it back. The freeze was put on Drew’s account in May of ’09, after he became incarcerated.

  59. justanotherhen :
    My guess is Drew took out $ 250.000.00 of the Home Equity loan and transferred it to Steven in the very beginning.
    According to Joel that money was returned to the account shortly there after.
    Well hmmmm, maybe Drew lied to Joel (!!)

    Thanks I forgot about that JAH. Also I read the response by Chase which they don’t mention it had anything to do with the Savio estate.Answers a few questions maybe.

  60. cyrhla :
    But, noway is right. Drew is not in IL DOC files anymore. What’s going on?

    Sometimes they disappear for awhile until the new schedule is put up. Wasn,t DP’s status hearing or whatever that is scheduled for about now?

  61. facsmiley :
    JAH – you don’t need to guess about Drew withdrawing that money back in May of ‘08 to give to his son. Joel has said that he did that…and that he put it back. The freeze was put on Drew’s account in May of ‘09, after he became incarcerated.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    My guess was that it wasn’t put back.

    Especially since that came from Joel ……

  62. givarat :

    cyrhla :
    But, noway is right. Drew is not in IL DOC files anymore. What’s going on?

    Sometimes they disappear for awhile until the new schedule is put up. Wasn,t DP’s status hearing or whatever that is scheduled for about now?

    Givrat, I meant inmate record (link above in noway post#82), not a court record.
    Drew was there.

  63. Ok Noway so you were looking for the inmate himself. Not the court schedule. That is kinda a fluke considering the timing of the blundering report on his release.

  64. facsmiley :

    My guess was that it wasn’t put back.
    Especially since that came from Joel ……

    What are you basing that guess on? How is it relevant?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    My guess is based on neither Joel or Drew ever telling the truth.

    It is relevant because if the money was not put back into the account and Drew hasn’t made substantial repayments in the last 2 years, there’s still a large deficit against the equity in the home which the bank may never recoup because Drew was incarcerated in 2009, so it makes sense for them to cut off the line of credit to avoid further losses.

  65. My guess is based on neither Joel or Drew ever telling the truth.

    It is relevant because if the money was not put back into the account and Drew hasn’t made substantial repayments in the last 2 years, there’s still a large deficit against the equity in the home which the bank may never recoup because Drew was incarcerated in 2009, so it makes sense for them to cut off the line of credit to avoid further losses.

    I suppose the bank would have cited that as their reason for freezing his account though, don’t you think? They gave only one reason “imprisonment”.

  66. cyrhla, you’re right it does say $2 million. I can’t be sure, but I think before it said $20 million. I know it WAS $20 million … but I think I remember somebody copying it out of there …

  67. Cyrhla – Drew would need $2,000,000.00 to bond out. His bond is $20,000,000.00. 10% of $20,000,000.00 leaves a bail of $2,000,000.00.

    I don’t understand what you mean when you say bail is $2,000,000.00 “now.” That’s what he needed to get out all along.

  68. Noway – when my nephew was in trouble with the law he was first held in the Cook County jail and didn’t show up in the IDOC prison system until after he was convicted.

  69. rescueapet :
    Cyrhla – Drew would need $2,000,000.00 to bond out. His bond is $20,000,000.00. 10% off $20,000,000.00 leaves a bail of $2,000,000.00.
    I don’t understand what you mean when you say bail is $2,000,000.00 “now.” That’s what he needed to get out all along.

    Ok, rescue. I understand how the bond works but I though the bail set on the immate list means those 20 millions, not 10% out of it. Sorry if I am wrong but I still cannot understand why Drew is not on the IL inmate list.
    I simply want to be sure because of the today’s news and Drew having posted $200.000. What for if he needs 10 times as much?

  70. I believe that the Will County system just shows the 10% cash bail amount that needs to be paid to get him out not the whole bond amount. I’m sure if bail/bond was reduced from $20M to $2M there would have a been a huge press release from Selig…

  71. thinkaboutit2 :
    Noway – when my nephew was in trouble with the law he was first held in the Cook County jail and didn’t show up in the IDOC prison system until after he was convicted.

    Thank you! That is the conclusion I came to just a few minutes ago!

  72. escueapet :
    Cyrhla – Drew would need $2,000,000.00 to bond out. His bond is $20,000,000.00. 10% of $20,000,000.00 leaves a bail of $2,000,000.00.
    I don’t understand what you mean when you say bail is $2,000,000.00 “now.” That’s what he needed to get out all along.

    Bail is set at $20 million but it must just show what payment is needed. Thanks!

  73. thinkaboutit2 :
    Noway – when my nephew was in trouble with the law he was first held in the Cook County jail and didn’t show up in the IDOC prison system until after he was convicted.

    Thanks for the info, TAI. I have calmed down a little bit though I am still suspicious (as always 😉 )LOL.

    I am afraid he can hurt someone.

  74. Cyrhla – IDOC is the prison system and only shows convicted criminals that are currently in prison or on parole. People wait in the County jail systems and show up in their inmate searches until they are convicted.

  75. I suppose the bank would have cited that as their reason for freezing his account though, don’t you think. They gave only one reason “imprisonment”.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “imprisonment” is exactly the reason to cover all that, that’s why his line of credit wasn’t withdrawn before that time.

    Also as rescue said house prices have fallen since Drew took out that equity loan, so there’s less equity in his home already as it is against the value of the equity loan without him even touching it.

  76. In 2005 few people heard of Madoff, and generally it was much easier to be granted a loan. As TAI said, prices of houses drastically fell down. If the bank can choose between a person with no legal problems and a (possible) serial killer locked in prison, its choice is clear.
    Risk management, Brodsky! No one told you to work pro bono. LOL

  77. It is kind of strange though that he took the money out and then puts it back in. Don’t they charge interest on it for one? Anyone have a link to that story? Maybe I’ll try to find one.

  78. I bet he’s wishing he didn’t fold to pressure and just kept the money because the bank would have a harder time forcing him to pay it back immediately. I still think that step mad him look like a higher credit risk – the bank knows he’s going to max it out the second that he can.

  79. Drew Claims that Stacy Ran Off with Her Reverend
    A neighbor of Drew Peterson, a male friend, claims that he still believes and supports Drew. He and Drew both believe that Stacy ran off with her Reverend. She was very attracted to him, according to Drew and sai friend.

    Ironically said male friend was found standing over the body of Drews’ 4th wife in her empty bathtub. Supposedly the water drained out after her death. Drew is now afraid after an autopsy was done on her that her family may sue him for wrongful death. His friend says that that is why he withdrew $200,000 from his and Stacys’ home equity line of credit. His other reason was that since Stacy has ran off with her Reverend that she would try to get access to that money. It is now safely ensconced in an account with Drew and his son’s name on it.

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/488435/drew_petersons_friend_jumps_to_his.html

    Well theres the first part now to find out why he returns it. Kind of reminds us about Dp’s early on rantings in this little story.

  80. As far as I know there is no news story about the money Drew is purported to have withdrawn and paid back. This is what Joel said about it at SYM at one point:

    2:52 PM 5/16/2008

    Drew initally pulled that money out to prevent Stacy from getting it to enjoy with her paramour, but now he put it back because if she pulls it out then she has shown hereself and Drew is off the hook so to speak. (In reality she owns half the house is hers so half the money is hers anyway.)

  81. I was wrong about that!

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316943,00.html

    Sunday, December 16, 2007

    Ex-police sergeant Drew Peterson transferred nearly a quarter of a million dollars to his son in the weeks after the disappearance of his wife, Stacy Peterson, in November, MyFoxChicago.com reports.

    Prosecutors subpoenaed bank records that show Drew Peterson funneled the money to his son, Steve Peterson, an Oak Brook, Ill., police officer, after Stacy Peterson was reported missing on Oct. 28.

    Sources said Drew Peterson, 58, transferred to Steve Peterson nearly $250,000 from several bank accounts, including joint accounts he held with his wife. He reportedly wrote as many as six checks, with one for more than $150,000, investigators said.

    Drew Peterson declined to comment but his attorney, Joel Brodsky, said, “I’m sure if that’s true, and I don’t even know whether or not it is, I’m sure that there are legitimate reasons for it.”

  82. Givarat – the post you copied and pasted, I’m afraid, is not a news story, but something written by a blogger. It is very inaccurate, so I wouldn’t put much stock in it.

  83. So he puts it back as a ploy to bring Stacy out of hiding. According to investigators he was spending it. So how did he pay it back? Things that make you go hmmm.

  84. I’ve always thought that Drew pulled the $250 thousand out to give to his son for bond since he was pretty sure he was about to be arrested. When he got legal counsel telling him how bad it looked moving all that money around, I assume he got it back from Stephen and quickly repaid the loan. Otherwise, how could he be asking for it in the Spring of 2009…if he had already maxed it out in November of 2007?

    It just makes sense to me that the money was replaced…for whatever reason and at whatever penalties or interest. IMO.

  85. rescueapet :
    Givarat – the post you copied and pasted, I’m afraid, is not a news story, but something written by a blogger. It is very inaccurate, so I wouldn’t put much stock in it.

    Yea sorry about that. I’m just assuming though that this poster got the info from some legitimate story. Being that parts of it are confirmed in what Facs wrote. To at least keep the money from Stacy and you would think it make sense that it was also to be used for legal fees. Some of it is to be taken with a grain of salt. I think there are other links posted within it that I didn’t thoroughly check out that may confirm this.It was just the first story I ran across on this topic and thought I’d post it for the story about the Pastor running off with Stacy.Just thought it would be an interesting read anyway.

  86. Drew squirreled something like $ 200.000.00 or $ 250.000.00 from the home equity line into Stevens account shortly after Stacy went missing.

    According to Joel it was done initially so Stacy couldn’t get her hands on it.

    Then – again according to Joel – to change tactics it was put back into the Home Equity account a week later, to trap Stacy’s whereabouts if she was going to draw on it.

    The only reliable part of that story is the squirreling away of a large amount of money from the Home Equity line.

  87. Attorney: Drew kept $200K from Stacy
    December 19, 2007
    The Associated Press

    CHICAGO — Drew Peterson’s lawyer acknowledged Tuesday that days after Peterson’s wife disappeared, he transferred $200,000 into an account belonging to his adult son — but only to keep the woman he says left him for another man from getting it.

    “It’s his life savings,” said Joel Brodsky, explaining the money was the equity on the couple’s Bolingbrook home. “He sits there and he goes, ‘Wherever she’s at, she can access this money. I can’t have her taking this money.’ So he takes the money and gives it to his son … so she can’t grab it out of the home equity line.”

    Brodsky said he was discussing the transfer to protect his client and offer an explanation for what he called potentially damaging information leaked to the media from a grand jury. The grand jury has been convened in the investigations of Stacy Peterson’s disappearance in late October….

  88. JPMorgan Chase would know if that money was indeed paid back, partly paid back, not paid back at all.

    To have $200.000.00 or $ 250.000.00 paid out from a home equity loan account is a very large chunk of equity in the home at risk if this amount or part thereof is still outstanding if the account holder is sitting in prison twiddling his thumbs or staring at the ceiling.

  89. Can we know for sure that the money he gave Steve came from the home equity? Especially since it was withdrawn from multiple accounts. I bet Drew’s holding out on Joel.

    If he did “give it back”, I think he may have tried to draw a chunk if not all just before or just after arrest, giving the bank only time enough to freeze it and think of a full explanation when they’ve consulted their legal department.

  90. It makes perfect sense for Drew to completely bleed the home from its equity if that would suit his purpose and it makes perfect sense for JPMorgan Chase to prevent or stop that from happening further in order to protect their own financial interests …..

  91. It seems to me that DP was using this money to somehow suggest Stacy was alive. First he acts like there is some risk to think shes going to take it. Then he returns it so as to trap Stacy into coming out of hiding. I guess his little alibi ploy failed him miserably now didn’t it. Now that he can really use that money for real things. I guess we will find out more when this issue goes to court.From what the bank is saying now is that Drew is too much a financial risk to give him the loan since he’s in jail.DP is just tired of eating bologna sandwiches I guess and needs some drama.

  92. justanotherhen :

    It makes perfect sense for Drew to completely bleed the home from its equity if that would suit his purpose and it makes perfect sense for JPMorgan Chase to prevent or stop that from happening further in order to protect their own financial interests …..

    If he had already withdrawn $220,000 in november of 2007 and not paid it back, what was he trying to withdraw in Spring 2009? He would have already been maxed out and there would be no issue. Nothing to sue over…

  93. Unless money from a home equity line is used for something tangible like a deposit or payment on another home, extensions/renovations to an existing home, thereby increasing its value/equity etc, the money is pretty much down the gurgler if it is frittered away on legal/attorneys fees, or squirreled away into someones account for ulterior purposes.

  94. FACS, I don’t know if Chase is the same Home Equity Company as the one in 2007/2008.

    Having said that – why would he need another $ 220.000.00 from Chase or any other Home Equity Company in May 2009 if he already has a Home Equity account good for and untouched @ $ 200.000.00 since Stacy went missing.

  95. JAH – I thought there was only one home equity line of credit. They act like a credit card so you can keep running it up and paying it off during the term of the loan as long as it is all paid off by the end of the loan. Chase basically said you no longer can borrow against that credit line – kind of like a credit card company shutting off your credit card.

  96. Oke, haha I see Drew wants to use the original Chase Home Equity line for $ 220.000.00 to post “part of his Bond, pay his Attorneys and hire expert witnesses”

    Considering his Bond is $ 2.000.000.00 how is $ 220.000.00 “part of his bond”, let alone pay his Attorney and hire expert witnesses.

    Is he going to pay Joel and get expert witnesses out of minus $ 780.000.00 ???

  97. I know some people who get to stretch their monthly checks about 4-5x over by promising the same money to multiple people… (BTW – It is possible there is more than one HELOC as I think the house was supposed to be valued at over $500K at one time.)

  98. If you were unable to watch “Secret Lives of Women: Loved and Controlled” I highly recommend viewing it at one of the other times listed at the top of the thread.

    All of the stories were very compelling. One woman’s husband hit her on the head and then attempted to drown her in the bathtub–he later went on to shoot her in the head, but she also survived even that attempt!

    Cassandra and Anna Doman did a great job!

  99. I’d like to see what Joel gets, what is set aside for expert witnesses and the balance to pay off $ 2.000.000.00 out of $ 220.000.00 !!

    Drew needs nearly 10 Home Equity lines just to pay for his Bond.

    His house is not worth that much !

    Looks like Joel and expert witnesses are going to miss out again (!!)

  100. justanotherhen :

    FACS, I don’t know if Chase is the same Home Equity Company as the one in 2007/2008.

    Having said that – why would he need another $ 220.000.00 from Chase or any other Home Equity Company in May 2009 if he already has a Home Equity account good for and untouched @ $ 200.000.00 since Stacy went missing.

    AFAIK, there was one line of equity, through Chase (the mortgage holder), for about $220k. (The lawsuit filed Monday in U.S. District Court contends that in May 2005, Peterson received a home equity credit line from Chase for $220,000. ) He withdrew from it in late 2007, repaid it soon afterwards (according to Brodsky) and when he again attempted in Spring 2009 to withdraw in order to pay his legal bills (after his arrest), he was told that the funds were frozen. The equity line is not “good” since it was frozen once he was arrested and put in jail.

  101. Today marks the second anniversary of the disappearance of Stacy Peterson.

    Let’s try to remember this today and mark it in some way in our own lives. Her passing has meaning. Her absence is felt. Her family and friends mourn her, yet they have no closure and no justice.

  102. http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/foxvalleysun/news/1850111,4_1_JO28_PETERSON_S1-091028.article

    Two years, no answers
    October 28, 2009

    By JOE HOSEY jhosey@scn1.com
    A year ago, Drew Peterson went to New York City to appear on the “Today” show and plead with his missing wife to “Show yourself. Put an end to this nightmare.”

    The wife, Stacy, who is Peterson’s fourth, has not shown herself. And Peterson’s living nightmare has gotten worse, as he has been sleeping in the county jail for the past five months while he awaits his trial for allegedly killing his third wife.

    Today, the second anniversary of Stacy’s disappearance, Peterson will not be appearing on any TV shows. He cannot even phone out from the jail for interviews because Judge Stephen White has restricted the disgraced former Bolingbrook cop’s collect-calling privileges…

    …Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, recently subpoenaed any insurance claims made by Savio from the companies AssureCare of Illinois and AFLAC for medical treatment or pharmaceutical prescriptions from Jan. 1, 1997, to March 31, 2004, and for records and copies of prescriptions written by a Bolingbrook Walgreens from Jan. 1, 2001, to March 31, 2004…

    …Peterson was allegedly approved for the line of credit in 2005, but it was ‘arbitrarily suspended’ after Peterson’s arrest, the lawsuit alleges.

    Attorney Walter Maksym is representing Peterson in the federal lawsuit. Maksym said he took the case in part out of his opposition to the hearsay law prosecutors plan to use against Peterson in the murder trial.

    “I think it’s a terrible law that, regardless of Mr. Peterson, affects us all,” Maksym said.

    “It’s very hard to fight a ghost,” he said, adding, “The legislature was way out of bounds doing that.”

    In a statement released through Peterson’s publicist, Glenn Selig, Maksym said, “Everyone is entitled to use their property in order to maintain a defense against the might of the state, that we are taxed to sustain.”

    “Mr. Peterson should be able to use his own money so that already overburdened and struggling taxpayers do not have to also pay for the enormous defense costs,” he said. “We will hold Chase, the bank that is sitting on billions of our hard earned ‘bailout’ tax money, (responsible) for refusing to honor and reneging on their commitment for the benefit of us all.”

  103. RIP STACY

    my hope is that you are found, so you can be laid to rest and so your kids will know that you loved them and never left them because you wanted to.

  104. dearheart88 :
    RIP STACY
    my hope is that you are found, so you can be laid to rest and so your kids will know that you loved them and never left them because you wanted to.

    I hope you don’t mind me signing under your post, Dearheart.

  105. Absolutely.
    Justice is so much closer than it was a year ago. I hope this anniversary will see Stacy’s loved ones comforted by that and that they’ve survived two terrible years that they won’t have to live through again. His evil, mocking face is cut off from society now, and nothing will save him. The children will know the truth.

  106. Maybe this is a good occasion to thank all the people who have stepped forward with the evidence which helped lock Drew.

  107. I just saw Brodsky on a short blip of an interview on Channel 9 Mid-Day News, and I thought I’d pass along his advice.

    He said don’t believe everything you see in the media. People will see the real truth at the trial.

    Your advice for the day. Cherish it.

  108. He said don’t believe everything you see in the media. People will see the real truth at the trial.
    ———–
    Did he mean Drew confessing he killed Stacy and Kathleen?
    Or that he (Brodsky) does not exist?

  109. Hmmm. This guy says they can freeze the line of credit if the property value goes down, and he says, in this case, it has not.

    Is Peterson’s house value the only one that remained the same, unlike the rest of us? Interesting.

  110. This is all I could think about when looking at that guy:

    Walter, a long time advisor to More University, the late Dr. Victor Baranco, its founder and creator of the “More Philosophy,” the late Dr. Bob, and The Institute of Human Abilities is a Master of the “More Philosophy.”

    Known as “The Orgasm Professor,™ ” he holds a Masters of Communication Degree from More University in addition to several Law Degrees from other universities.

    An Author, Publisher and Film Producer who has taught and lectured law and other subjects, Walter is also the owner of Perfect Pleasure: Beyond the One Hour Orgasm™ and Diets Don’t Work™ and is the President of Diets Don’t Work, Inc., an educational corporation.

  111. Yeah, well, besides all of Attorney Maksym’s sexual awareness abilities, he seems to think that the rest of us are being done a favor by him taking this case. That’s because the State has enormous resources at their hands, at our expense, and using them to get a Peterson conviction. All poor Drewsy Woosy wants to do is use his own money to get out of jail, pay his attorneys, and hire experts. We are supposed to be grateful that he’s taking on the wrongs of the financial institution that is dealing with Peterson? Every single attorney in the defense, so far, must live on their own alien planet, because they sure don’t think and talk like the rest of us. Peterson’s attorneys are the weirdos he so deserves!

    He needs $2,000,000.00 to get out of jail. While $200,000.00 isn’t exactly chump change, it’s a far cry from meeting the goal of what’s needed to bond out, pay attorneys’ fees, and hire defense experts.

    Maybe, as it appears to me, this large sum of cash might be close to what he really still does need to bond out. That’s a scary thought!

  112. That was a particularly silly argument. By suing Chase Drew is really just being considerate of us – the taxpayers!

    Tell you what, all he has to do is confess and it will save everyone a lot of time and money.

  113. An Author, Publisher and Film Producer who has taught and lectured law and other subjects, Walter is also the owner of Perfect Pleasure: Beyond the One Hour Orgasm™ and Diets Don’t Work™ and is the President of Diets Don’t Work, Inc., an educational corporation.

    I’m not a president of anything, but I am Queen of the House.

  114. You’re right, Rescue. I can’t take him even remotely seriously. This guy is just begging to be derided. Way too much material there. 😉 Love the “university” ROFL

  115. Peterson’s attorney told the Joliet (Ill.) Herald-News that if the funds remain frozen, Peterson will ask the court to approve taxpayer funds to pay for his defense.

    OH COME ON!!!!! Even if he does get that money, which most of us don’t give a rat’s butt about anyway, once he goes through that, are we supposed to petition the police board to disburse his pension checks to us so we don’t have to foot future Brodsky defense bills? What a stupid comment, coming from an alien being, who thinks the rest of us are under the defense psychotic spell. The money is going to run out, either now or later, and the taxpayers will be paying the defense bills anyway.

    So, just SHUT UP.

  116. How do you respect the expert opinion of a person like that? IMO he’s free to live however he likes as long as he doesn’t scare the horses. But, he seems ridiculous–yet another fame-whore signing on to the Peterson defense in order to see his name in the press and get some air time. He expects us to rally behind this suit because it’s really about saving the public tax dollars? I don’t think anyone is buying that.

  117. I think other attorneys are having a good laugh. I also wonder just how active he’s been as an attorney, what with all the hour-long orgasms and not dieting and educating and all.

  118. Why doesn’t Drew take a public defender? It is much cheaper! LOL

    I would be not surprised if one day Brodsky sued Peterson, not the State or the unsurance company.

    Is the State going to pay any expenses? I doubt it because Drew still owns much more assets that most of American people could dream of. Why not to divorce Stacy (as they had planned before LOL) and take half of the money to pay off his debts?

    BTW, I wonder who paid Drew’s property taxes when he was in jail. The records show one installement was settled in June and the second one in October just a few days ago.

  119. If they want taxpayers to pay for DP’s defense, why don’t Blabsky, et al leave the case and allow the Multiple-Mommy-Murderer to have a Public Defender assigned? Because that’s not what they want at all. They want their mugs on TV, their books selling and their ‘fame’ growing.

    I’m beginning to think they care only very slightly more for the M-M-M than they do for Kitty or Stacy.

  120. bucketoftea :
    I think other attorneys are having a good laugh. I also wonder just how active he’s been as an attorney, what with all the hour-long orgasms and not dieting and educating and all.

    LOL, bucket 🙂 He must be totally exhausted.

  121. I deduct the defense does not want to work for Drew for free anymore. And Drew does not want to/cannot pay the bills.
    I can imagine Queen Elisabeth spends all days in the kitchen preparing chicken wings because her husband is so generous to the murderer that he hasn’t brought a dime since Nov. 2007.

  122. My thoughts and prayers are with the kids on this 2-year annversary of Stacy’s disappearance.

    I still pray for Stacy’s safe return no matter how slim of a chance that could happen. In any event, I hope for family that she is found one way or another and that the truth becomes crystal clear.

  123. I didn’t create the idea – someone else on one of these forums started it – I just go back there from time to time.

  124. Hmmm. On the video they said that the social security payments he gets is related to the children. So by him being imprisoned, doesn’t that money stop going to him and would be going to the children’s legal guardian instead which would be a material change to his income?? I should just stop guessing now… That case will probably take some time before going getting settled.

    BTW – Rescue, I think that the lawyer was stating that the property value issue wasn’t the case here because that isn’t what the bank checked off on their letter to him (not that his home value didn’t actually decrease). It just wasn’t part of Chase’s reasons for closing the line of credit I think…

  125. I caught what you meant, bucket 😉

    I find it pretty funny that Brodsky wants to survey all the prescriptions covering 7 years, as if he did not have enough documentation to look into. Is he going to prove Kathleen intoxicated herself with aspirin?

  126. I guess it has to be a lot better for both family members of Stacy and Kathleen this year rather than last year now that Drew is behind bars eating bologna sandwiches rather than feeding us his bologna. I don’t know if you been to the family website, but some of the pictures of little Stacy really struck home with me. Never seen a couple of those before.

  127. Hey, Facs, good point – never thought about that. Doesn’t make much sense to subpoena drug company records and receipts to show she had access to prescription medication after her toxicology results showed nothing in her system. Point being, they’re looking to disprove the toxicology results, so, yeah, throw out the accidental death finding too. Don’t pick and choose what you like about the pathologist’s findings. Either they’re what you want them to be or not. The whole package.

  128. Those have already been thrown out in LE eyes anyway. Wasn’t the wording on the PDF that they wanted to hire experts that said there was no drugs found. Didn’t know if you all caught that or not.Didn’t get that one at all. Sounds to me they were contradicting themselves again.

  129. In the coroner’s inquest, Steve said Kathleen did not have Xanax prescribed but got it from another source. So I think what Brodsky is going to prove is that Kathleen had access to drugs.
    Of course it does not change the toxicology report in any way.

    I think Glasgow has something more than an ordinary test.

  130. You’re right givarat. It’s strange, isn’t it?

    ..seek out, obtain and employ the services of an independent pathologists, toxicologist, and coroners to testify at trial and verify the lack of drugs in Kathleen Saviors body,

    …seek out, obtain and employ the services of other various experts as will be needed to consult and testify at trial and verify the lack of drugs in PETERSON’S late wife’s body in order to properly prepare, present, and conduct an effective defense at the criminal trial;

    You know, I don’t think it’s impossible that Maksym (who is new to the case) actually wrote the opposite of what he meant to say. It’s been reported that Drew was telling everyone in the days right after Kathleen’s death that she took all kinds of drugs (and certain people friendly to him even tried to make that claim in the forums). Yet, her toxicology came back clean. There’s no way Drew would be paying for people to “testify and verify” that she had no drugs in her body.

  131. Ya mean they need to get a home equity line of credit to find someone to pay for their testimony that says there were no drugs in Kathleen’s body? Umm, isn’t that what the toxicology report says? What am I missing here?

  132. c.)seek out, obtain and employ the services of an independent pathologist, toxicologist, and coroners to testify at trial and verify the lack of drugs in Kathleen Saviors body. pg. 14

    I thought the lack of drugs were varifyed, why do you need to hire experts to say the same thing? LOL

  133. Maybe I am wrong but don’t you think the word “verify” suggests that (in their opinion) Kathleen might have actually taken drugs and they want to check it?

  134. As we’ve all noticed the whole brief is chock full of errors, so who knows?

    I’ll give a dollar to anyone who can tell me the difference between “g” and “h” here:

    (g) seek out, obtain and employ needed tests and analysis of testimony and evidence in order to properly prepare, present, and conduct an effective defense at the criminal trial;

    (h) seek out, obtain and employ needed tests and analysis of testimony and evidence in order to properly prepare, present, and conduct an effective defense at the criminal trial;

  135. facsmiley :As we’ve all noticed the whole brief is chock full of errors, so who knows?
    I’ll give a dollar to anyone who can tell me the difference between “g” and “h” here:

    (g) seek out, obtain and employ needed tests and analysisof testimony and evidence in order to properly prepare, present,and conduct an effective defense at the criminal trial;
    (h) seek out, obtain and employ needed tests and analysisof testimony and evidence in order to properly prepare, present,and conduct an effective defense at the criminal trial;

    Oh, that’s an easy one, Facs and your very question underscores Blabsky’s earlier concerns about’laypeople.’ One appears after the letter “g” and the other after the letter “h.” 😉

  136. Whatever he means by the toxicology thing, I don’t think that was in question on either report. So its still a waste of 250.000 big ones. Drew just wants the money so he can get out and run. How he plans to do that and come up with the other 1,750,000 is beyond me. Maybe he can secure other credit with that. But we are talking about a scheming murder suspect here.

    I just thought I’d bring more typos to your attention for laughs. You guys were going to town with it before and I missed the fun. Surprised the 1 hour orgasm didn’t get more JC airtime lol.

  137. If you look at the website, findstacypeterson.net , there is a section on gallery. In that one if you look under Stacy’s pics, the one that starts out with Stacy’s baby pic, you will see a couple with Stacy as a little girl. Compare them with Lacy and tell me if you see a resemblance.

  138. cyrhla :Maybe I am wrong but don’t you think the word “verify” suggests that (in their opinion) Kathleen might have actually taken drugs and they want to check it?

    I agree. If you examine the Brodsky line of defense for some of the individuals who have come forward, the defense attacks their testimony with drinking and drug allegations. Why would we expect Brodsky to treat Kathleen any differently? I have a feeling we’ll be hearing Brodsky yapping in the courtroom that Kathleen’s letters were written by an individual who was taking drugs and therefore cannot be taken seriously. Yada Yada

  139. “Abood Law Firm does devote services to clients needing pro bono help. A recent juvenile delinquency trial in Eaton County is one of our firm’s many pro bono successes. In this case, high school authorities accused the firm’s teenage client of purchasing drugs in the boy’s bathroom in between classes. ”

    Good news for Drew. Abood Law Firm does do pro bono work! Forget the home equity loan Brodsky.
    http://aboodlaw.com/

  140. I know this may sound strange, but at this time on this day 2 years ago Drew was prolly just dropping off Morphey at home. Taking the blue barrel to either its final destination or to be transported then or later. All the facts back this up. Don’t want to say too much because it’s important. The thing is though Cass is about to call him in the next 40 min or so. Not giving Drew much time at all. Got to wonder what happened. At least the time frame is pretty close. Considering the time it took to write this lol. Call me stupid that I am just realizing this theory to where I should of caught it before. You guys are a great bunch of people on here that still care about Stacy. I love you all. Hope Drew rots in that cell!!!

  141. THANKS FAX FOR BEING THERE!!! All of you also. I don’t think I can make it without you guys.Sorry to talk too much today. Today is special though. So that’s why I’m yappin.Sorry.

  142. Good morning friends! Hug for Givarat! Yap all you want ;D we love to read it

    About the toxicology nonsense, I think as far as the drug thing goes they’re going to try to say her dealer killed her and/or drug use made her tell terrible lies about the poor hard-working Drew. I hadn’t heard before about the Xanax being not obtained by her own prescription. That said it’s not sinister. I think it’s not unheard of for someone to share a few of their own sleeping pills with someone who is having difficulties.

    PS Givarat said: Surprised the 1 hour orgasm didn’t get more JC airtime lol.
    It’s early days,yet! LOL

    OR they’re not serious and they’re just making sure they pad out how much money they need to spend. (could be. “g” didn’t look like enough so they added “h”)

  143. That’s the excerpt from the coroner’s inquest:

    Q:Are you aware of any perhaps medications she might have been taking or seeing a doctor for any particular condition?
    Hardy: From the reports there was indication that she took some type of anti-depressant.
    O’Neil: Ok, Steve, did you ever see these mediactions?
    Steve: Yeah, and she also took a little antianxiety, Xanax, and a generic form of Xanax also.
    O’Neil: Was she seeing a doctor for that condition, Steve?
    Steve: I do not believe so.
    O’Neil: They’re prescription medication. She probably would have had to go somewhere?
    Steve: At one time I believe, I believe you know you make a phone call and they renew it. I believe.
    ——–
    In fact, it is difficult to say if Kathleen had those medications prescribed or not or if she was still taking them. They did not also specify the period when Kathleen was on these drugs. Anyway, there were no traces of antidepressants or Xanax in Kathleen’s blood and tissue. So it means Kathleen had not taken Xanax for at least a week.

  144. Hardy: From the reports there was indication that she took some type of anti-depressant.

    Did he mean Drew’s reports? I do not think they checked Kathleen’s medical report.

  145. I think that Brodsky was looking for a way to detract from Stacy’s 2 year anniversary. So to Mr. Brodsky, loan money is not your money, ask any loan shark!

  146. Brodsky and his expert do not probably understand that banks do not grant loans on the basis of a desision of an idividual. Each bank has a special software and it asseses the risk. You must provide information on your financial situation to the system and the more you want to lend the more questions you have to answer. Nowadays, I cannot really think of a bank which would give a loan to a person suspected of two murders and of financial fraud. It does not matter if have or have not been sentenced. These are the rules of risk management which has nothing to do with the Penal Code or the Constitution.

    Brodsky will drive Drew to bunkrupcy. Personally, I would not mind if not the children.

  147. FYI: Fox News in the Morning is going to have Peterson’s attorneys on, and, if I am not mistaken, the teaser I just heard said “we’re also going to tell you who’s going after them.” I took that as meaning someone is going after the attorneys.

    Hmmm.

  148. Sounds like fun!

    Thank you so much for posting the videos from Secret Lives of Women. We get it here but it’s way behind.

  149. Walter Maksym was on. There was no more to it than what he’s been spewing about with Brodsky. He keeps using the words “might of the State” in referring to this case, saying the State has the advantage and Drew only wants to use his own money to pay for his defense, saving us taxpayers from footing the bill.

    When asked why he took this case, he started by saying “he was approached…..”, but then didn’t go any further than that. He said it’s a controversial case, but he seems to imply that no matter what anyone thinks about Peterson, this is about leveling the playing field. He keeps referring back to the State’s advantages over Peterson’s, so it’s hard to tell who this guy is really mad at — Chase/JP Morgan or the State.

    He has no clue what Peterson’s current state of mind is, since he hasn’t seen him in jail, he only goes by what Brodsky tells him. He made it up as he went along in that regard.

  150. blah blah blah

    It’s the same for every defendant, to be pitted against “the might of the State”, and there are inequities, but Drew’s problems are Drews fault. I have a remedy for him. He could sell his half of the house to the bank, upfront, no loan.

  151. Bucket – about selling the house. I asked Karen Conti about that, because Stacy is half owner, and she said she supposes he could sell it and put Stacy’s share in escrow.

    We all know Peterson consulted with a Chicago divorce attorney some time back, and Raines was all set to be a bride this past summer, so, who knows, maybe the creep did file for divorce behind-the-scenes. If he did, maybe that court can straighten it all out and let him sell his house and get his money, thus, sparing us taxpayers the expense of paying for his defenses.

    Maksym insinuated that the paperwork and delay in filing requests for payment through the courts is another disadvantage Peterson must endure.

    Why is Peterson always portrayed as the victim by these creeps that defend him? At least he’s breathing. I’d say he has a bigger advantage over his past two wives in that regard.

  152. Oh, this is really pathetic! But, Cassandra, what a devoted, loving sister you are, and nothing but the best wishes to you in the hopes your Stacy is found.

    *****

    Oct 29, 2009 7:45 am US/Central
    Thieves Steal Tree, Plaque Honoring Stacy Peterson
    Thursday Marks 2 Years Since She Was Reported Missing

    CBS
    A tree and plaque commemorating Stacy Peterson were stolen from in front of the Bolingbrook Aquatic Center overnight, two years to the day after Peterson was first reported missing.

    Members of the Westbrook Christian Church in Bolingbrook erected the plaque and tree outside of the Aquatic Center, at 200 Lindsey Lane in Bolingbrook. Peterson’s family members told CBS 2’s Mike Puccinelli they were both stolen overnight.

    Stacy Peterson was reported missing in the wee hours on Oct. 29, 2007. Her husband, former Bolingbrook police Sgt. Drew Peterson, has been named as a suspect in her disappearance.

    Stacy Peterson’s sister, Cassandra Cales, said sarcastically of the theft: “Well, whoever stole it must be someone who loved Stacy and wanted the tree and plaque for themselves. More power to them. They don’t have to worry about getting caught, (Illinois State Police) can’t tell a homicide when it’s right in front of them, let alone find my beloved sister.”

    Illinois State Police said not long after Stacy Peterson disappeared that she had likely died in a homicide.

    Drew Peterson has not been charged in Stacy Peterson’s disappearance, and he has consistently insisted that she ran off with another man.

    However, Drew Peterson is charged in the death of his third wife, Kathleen Savio, who was found dead in a dry bathtub on March 1, 2004. An autopsy originally said Savio had died of an accidental drowning, but her body was exhumed shortly after Stacy Peterson disappeared. A new autopsy declared Savio’s death a homicide.

    CBS 2’s Mike Puccinelli contributed to this report.

    http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/stacy.peterson.plaque.2.1278268.html

  153. Thanks for the summary of the interview on the news, Rescue!

    As for the plaque and tree missing, it’s interesting how something always seems to happen whenever Drew has a court date. They must really be anticipating some bad news for him…

  154. I guess some of us forget that there are also people out there that are 100% behind Peterson and dismissive of what people actually involved in his life have had to say about what he was really like.

    I can’t imagine that a friend or family member of Drew Peterson would be so ignorant as to do something like this. It must be some kind of sick, loyal groupie who just can’t stand to see Peterson finally pay for his wayward life.

  155. So what will Joel & Co. do if they find information on Kathleen’s medical records that show she had talked to her doctor(s) that the source of her anxiety or other ailments were due to abuse she suffered at the hands of Drew???

    Could doctors or psychiatrists/psychologist reports be brought in by the prosecution as evidence? If the defense brings it in on their own then I’d have to say that it would certainly mean the prosecution would be able to ensure the whole document is admitted and not just the parts the defense may pick out of it that help their case.

    (Disclaimer: I’m not saying there is anything in like that in the records – I’m just thinking out loud.)

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