Strapped for cash, Drew Peterson tries to auction his house.

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The Peterson home

Peterson’s house going to auction block?

November 11, 2009

BY MICHAEL SNEED Sun-Times Columnist

Scoopsville: Huh? Sneed hears an attorney for jailed murder suspect Drew Peterson is hoping to rent out/auction off Peterson’s empty Bolingbrook home for broadcast use during his upcoming trial!

“We are thinking it could be an excellent site for a news broadcast during the trial,” said attorney Walter Maksym, who filed a federal suit against JP Morgan Chase bank recently for suspending Peterson’s access to his $220,000 credit line.

“It would be a perfect place for someone like Geraldo Rivera. Don’t you think?” Maksym told Sneed.

Peterson, who is in jail charged with the murder of his third wife, Kathleen Savio, was hoping to use the credit line to post part of his bond, pay his attorneys and hire expert witnesses. The credit line was authorized in 2005 and suspended by the bank in May.

“If he can’t pay for his own defense, the taxpayers could wind up paying for the enormous cost of the defense,” Maksym said. “I’m not handling his murder case. I’m working with his attorney Joel Brodsky, who is vigorously defending him, and we are looking for any way possible to raise money so Peterson won’t be denied a fair trial. The bank severed his credit line because Peterson is being detained for trial, and we believe it violates federal law.”

Auctioneer Leslie Hindman tells Sneed she received a call from Maksym on Tuesday wondering if she might auction off “the use of Peterson’s house as a site for broadcast during the trial.”

Quoth Hindman: “I said, ‘No. I’m not interested in doing such a thing. It would be much too weird.’

The Peterson home, which once housed his missing fourth wife, Stacy, and four children, has been vacant since Peterson was incarcerated in May.

Read Sneed’s column at the Sun-Times
Read the story at NBC Chicago

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253 thoughts on “Strapped for cash, Drew Peterson tries to auction his house.

  1. That’s just it. I believe no one on the Scheme Team is expecting to get paid for defending Sir Assalot. Maksym sure is hellbent on pushing the idea to us that we’re the ones footing the bill to defend Peterson.

    Actually, it’s kind of funny. Apparently, the people they’ve found that might be willing to twist the facts in Peterson’s favor at trial must be way, way too expensive for this group. Money talks, bullshit walks.

  2. This is just too weird. I don’t even know how to process it. Much of his kids’ stuff is still in there. It’s still their house. These lawyers are dirty if they’d actually help Drew go through with this just to pay their dues. I guess it is either that or are they are hoping to get some quick big money to help bail him out?? It isn’t like Drew needed any additional income to help take care of the kids’ daily needs since he does get a nice pension and social security. I don’t know what kind of legal contracts he can get for anyone to do anything with that house without Stacy’s signature anyway.

    It just seems like whenever there are no stories out in the news about Drew that somehow his team comes up with something to keep his name out there.

  3. Question: If he did rent out the house without removing anything – couldn’t the person there be able to go through everything in the house? Can you imagine Geraldo thinking he has a second chance after messing up Al Capone’s vault??

  4. Gone apparently, are Drew’s concerns over the wellbeing of the kids and the peace of his neighborhood.

    Colored ribbons on the trees made the place look “tacky” but this is OK?

    I wonder how Budenz counseled him over this latest stunt? “Continue to tell the kids that mom’s on vacation and that meanwhile, Geraldo River will be sleeping in your bed…”

  5. If they are looking for any way possible to fund his defense they could sell his guns, his car (if it’s in his name), his little plane thing, his belongings, etc. What happened to all of the money Drew had to throw around to help people go to college, get furniture for their kids, etc?? I’d much rather see them put the website back up to let those people who truly believe Drew is innocent to help him out that pimp out his kids’ home and belongings to the media.

  6. Wonder how they are feeling about that decision to take no cut of the royalties on Armstrong’s book (if that is actually the case)?

    Joel Brodsky: Drew Peterson nor any of his family, agents, attorneys, nobody, we don’t have any financial interest in this book. All the royalties of this book – 100% – go to the author.

    Didn’t Joel scoff once at Len and Paula for stupidly “giving away their story” instead of selling it to the Enquirer?

    Joel Brodsky: Here is absolute proof that Len Wawczak and Paula Stark are two of the dumbest people on the planet. Wawczak and Stark said that they had Illinois State Police approval to go public with their undercover informant status. So what do they do? They come out through Joe Hosey and the Sun Times for free. My media guru told me that if they had gone to either the National Enquirer or TMZ, and agreed to come out exclusively through one of those outlets, they would have been paid at least $1,000,000.00, (thats one million dollars!!!!) for the exclusive rights to come out with that story! Thats right, Len and Paula just blew a million dollars.

    On a side note, is catering included in the rental of $6 Pheasant Chase Court? Do I smell chicken wings?

  7. I wonder if there will be stipulations that no CSI people could come into the home. There have been stories about how someone else gets a home and during remodeling find evidence that law enforcement overlooked.

  8. I don’t believe this is a legitimate attempt at all, honestly, to make money. I think this is just a way to get attention and publicity, because Peterson is sinking into a pithole of darkness, and these guys are just trying to keep him in the news. Even if they have to prostitute themselves to do it.

  9. thinkaboutit2 :

    If they are looking for any way possible to fund his defense they could sell his guns, his car (if it’s in his name), his little plane thing, his belongings, etc. What happened to all of the money Drew had to throw around to help people go to college, get furniture for their kids, etc?? I’d much rather see them put the website back up to let those people who truly believe Drew is innocent to help him out that pimp out his kids’ home and belongings to the media.

    Hell, if Budenz is so concerned about Drew’s being behind bars and convinced of his innocence, why doesn’t he hock his horse farm and post Drew’s bail/fund his defense?

  10. Kind of a stupid way of putting it on WGN’s website.

    The idea is to rent it out to reporters, as a base to report from to cover his trial. That’s the point of it, not to legitimately rent it out to lessees for housing.

    Dumb way of wording it. If he wants to rent it out and save us taxpayers some money, he should go for it. But, not as a launching pad for the circus he thinks this all is.

  11. Mancow Muller: He’s broke! You’re never going to get paid.

    Joel Brodsky: Oh, I’ll get paid. Drew not only was a police officer but he was a business man. He owned a bar. He had a printing company. He had a photography company. He had, if I recall, five different businesses. All were profitable.

  12. The operative words are “were profitable”. Drew seems like more of a spender than a saver. Not that it is any different than many, many people but it does appear that he may have lived beyond his means. Motorcycles, airplane thing, plastic surgery for Stacy, college for Mike, thousands of dollars worth of furniture for Christina’s kids, jewelry for women, cell phones for all, etc.

    I’ll be honest – I’d rather have taxpayer dollars go towards Drew’s defense than subjecting his kids to having to see the home they grew up in being the center ring of the media show…

  13. This “Promotion” is most likely for the purpose of laying groundwork for the Scheme Team to file an Applicatiion to the Court for access to the deep pockets of the State of Illinois to fund DP’s legal defense.

    The title of the 6 Pheasant Chase Court property may have legal notations from the Savio Estate activity and the Savio wrongful death lawsuit so DP would not be able to contract anything without court approval. Any monies received from this asset could be claimed or escrowed by the Savio Estate.

  14. I have a question. Is the change of venue motion still out there and active?? If so, isn’t the defense just adding more reasons why that argument may be shot down? They apparently are talking about Geraldo being in the house and his show is national – not local.

    I just have to stop trying to make sense of this. As someone so truthfully pointed out elsewhere – this kind of thing just adds to the drama of this case and likely the profits from the wild stories that will come out in paperback in by those who represented Drew or were associated with this case in the future.

  15. It is hard to make sense of the constant attempts to market Drew. Evidently, they have not been working on a monetary level. If it isn’t money they are after, then what is the point? Just fame? Fame for whoever can attach their name to his?

    God, it’s so…icky.

  16. thinkaboutit2 :

    I’ll be honest – I’d rather have taxpayer dollars go towards Drew’s defense than subjecting his kids to having to see the home they grew up in being the center ring of the media show…

    And to think he claimed a flower garden was going to damage the kids psychologically.

    Like I said above though, the house is a half hour drive from the court house. What would be the point of covering it from there? I have to side with the people saying this isn’t really a legitimate offer. There’s something else going on.

    On the other hand, maybe the TAPs ghost hunter team would like to walk through…

  17. Fox News just reported it correctly – he’s trying to rent his home to promote his trial. What does that tell you?

    To “prove” that, here is a direct quote from Brodsky, from ScaredMonkeys:

    We haven’t had a televised trial in Illinois since I can remember. It has to be approved by the supreme court. I wouldn’t mind this case being televised. It’s a circumstantial case, it’s got a lot of witnesses with credibility issues. It’s going to be a very interesting case to try. I think it will be very educational, too. You’ll see a lot of forensic evidence, interesting forensic evidence. I would hope some larger media outlets would take a petition to the Illinois Supreme Court.

    As to Peterson hurting his kids by this — IMHO, damn, he killed their mothers. In the case of Tom and Kris, they were yanked from the only home they knew when he killed their mother. They’ve been yanked again by his arrest, all four of them. He’s mortified them 100x over prior to this!

    I personally think the longer they’re away from him, the better off they are. Where they live, if it’s a peaceful, joyful, happy place, is their home. Not the bricks and boards that surround them.

  18. So, the Scheme Team is appealing to the media to rent out the house to cover the trial. The trial that Brodsky “wouldn’t mind” being televised. Hoping some “larger media outlets” would petition the Supreme Court.

    Yeah, me too, I’d like to see the best “man” win. Not saying who that might be……

  19. I really think this is just another shock value white noise approach. It keeps Drew’s name in the news, as well as the media hungry attorneys. They really don’t care if its good, bad or ugly….just get it out there, keep making noise, louder, louder. Must be something good coming… they tend to get very noisy just before a bombshell hits.

  20. Charmed –

    Must be something good coming… they tend to get very noisy just before a bombshell hits.

    Yeah, that appears so. But I think most people are numb to their bombshells. Brodsky wants some media outlet to get this circus televised, and he needed a way to get that out in the news. Otherwise, he’s supposed to keep his puss shut, which he’s doing a lousy job of.

  21. A nice post from SMM about how Stacy Peterson’s case has brought together so many people to speak out about the issues it entails:

    http://murphymilanojournal.blogspot.com/2009/11/fire-starter.html

    …Thousands of people most whom I have never met, have changed the lives of so many others, all because of one woman, Stacy Peterson.

    Think of her someplace directing traffic if you will, from the heavens. She is not sitting on some beach roasting marshmallows or eating dryed out chicken wings. Stacy’s voice is finallly being heard and the world is listening.

  22. Just when you think you’ve heard/seen it all, the level of bizarreness gets upped a notch !

    Just imagine the trial being reported from the alleged killers home (!!!)

    That must surely be a first if ever there was one !!

  23. Yeah right he is soooooooo worried about his children! How would he even be able to do such a thing, being it is half Stacy’s house. He claims Stacy is out there somewhere, and she just ran off with another man. If this is the case DREW, then why are you trying to auction off your house for money? Why not auction off the house to try and find your wife that has been missing for 2 yrs that you claim is just missing! Huh Drew? Why not auction off your house to raise money to have investigators find your wife, if your so innocent? Because he knows she is not coming back, that is why! He knows she isn’t coming back because he is the reason she isn’t coming back. Just sickening it really is. If it isn’t a tragedy as it is, he has to make a joke out of it all. Just disgusting, and pathetic, him and his attorney! Everybody is right you sat there and went off about Sharon with signs in front of the house, and vigils, yet you want to televise the trial and use the kids house as a circus ground! I can’t wait till the day when you both meet your maker, we shall see who has the laugh when it is all said and done! Let’s see who is laughing, and joking then!

  24. justanotherhen :
    Just when you think you’ve heard/seen it all, the level of bizarreness gets upped a notch !
    Just imagine the trial being reported from the alleged killers home (!!!)
    That must surely be a first if ever there was one !!

    Right they think this is MTV, or some reality show on t.v. I just can’t even begin to comprehend where they even have the gall to come up with this stuff. We are talking murder here, not something he did that would get him a slap on the wrist. These are two women who were murdered by this thing that calls himself a man! The nerve, I just don’t get it! Even if he was innocent per say, and being wrongly accused you make a joke out of two womens demise? No empathy, sympathy, nothing just jokes, stunts, kicks and giggles! It is the lowest of low, and he proves more and more he did it everyday with his actions and it is going to come back to bite him in the you know what when it goes to trial and the jury see’s he didn’t even have any remorse or sorrow for what he has done!

  25. Yes you’re right questions4u, he must be pretty sure Stacy is not (ever) coming back (!!)

    How can he be so sure ??????

  26. Geez – These schmos have absolutely no sense of basic propriety, do they? I’ve completely given up the idea that either DP or Blobsky operate with any recognizable moral compass, but their lack of awareness on the basic self-absorbed person’s mantra of “how will this make me look to others?” is still astounding.

    And isn’t this crew the same bunch who basically used Geraldo’s name as interchangeble with a curse word for quite awhile? Now they’re using it to try and make a little $$. Ick and Ickker…

  27. Hi Everyone!

    I wonder if there is a home owner’s association. Often times, you cannot rent or lease your property if there is.

  28. Stacy Peterson’s family hasn’t given up hope they’ll learn what happened to her, and said the idea of renting the home she lived in is like a slap in the face.

    “We don’t even have any answers yet as to what happened to her. It’s still her home and he claims that she’s going to come home someday, that she just ran off with another man, so I think that’s still her house, and I think that should still say that way for now,” said Stacy Peterson’s stepsister, Kerri Simmons.

    Update to the NBC story.

  29. Hi Harley!

    Let’s see, can you just imagine the media suits falling all over each other at the chance to pay Drew Peterson for the luxury of using his house for their reporting base during his trial? Zing, dang, doo dah, that must be making them salivate at the thought, huh? Then, someone could call them and give them a heads up, about an hour before the court proceedings will be breaking up for the day, so they can get in their media vans to zip on over to the courthouse, in rush hour traffic, what, 15-20 miles away, to be in place when the lawyers come out for their interviews.

    Yeah, that’s the ticket. Holy moley, what a fantastic idea. This Scheme Team must have clients banging their doors down to get represented by them with all their talents.

  30. Considering Joel has been representing Drew for over two years already, it must be getting to the desperate stage for him to ever see any money, especially since the Judge has closed down the Circus !

  31. Maybe the low budgeted Scheme Team could rent the house for their “Trial Headquarters.” Abood wouldn’t have to drive back and forth to Michigan and Brodsky would not have to drive in Chicago rush hour traffic.

  32. Maybe they could just open it up for photo ops. Drew should still have all the photo equipment from his business. Passing through Bolingbrook? Come by the murder house and get your picture taken!

    Throw in a blue barrel prop and how could it miss?!

    /bitter sarcasm/

  33. This is from a blog report, not a news outlet, and there are no quotes to back it up but this guy could be on the right track:

    As reported by the Chicago Sun-Times, Drew Peterson is desperately seeking out different media outlets to rent his home out to during his upcoming murder trial of his third wife, Kathleen Savio, in order to defray legal fees. The plan is for Peterson to turn his murder trial into a reality show. He is still being considered as a suspect in the disappearance of his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson. However, he has not been charged because nobody has found her body at this time. When you think this guy couldn’t do anything worse, he brings the shock value every time.

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4601401-drew-peterson-looking-to-have-a-reality-show

  34. Just for the record , it would be about a 25 minute drive. The only reason being is the light at 55 and Weber is long. Anyway weren’t they suing the bank to get money? Must not be too confident in that outcome to do this. I like the term he’s desperately seeking out different media outlets in the above statement. Desperate is the key word here.He may as well put a pay per view camera in his jail cell.

  35. Much as I would like to be able to observe the trial, I hope Judge White will have nothing of Brodsky’s desperate dreams of daily tv exposure. One of the other Peterson murderers, Michael, I think, had a film crew following the trial from his perspective. Lots of scenes of him sucking on a pipe and coolly reviewing arguments with his lawyers. (he is WAY creepy). I think this is what Brodders would like.

  36. FYI: Fox News in the Morning is going to have Drew Peterson’s “attorney” on this morning, to talk about Peterson’s latest “money making scheme.” I assume it’s Maksym, but I’m not sure.

    It’s more and more obvious, at least IMO, that this is just a way to keep these morons in the news.

    I’ll post the attorney’s comments afterwards.

  37. According to reports, the thing called Drew receives a pension of 6000.00/month. Why doesn’t he use that income to offset his legal expenses. It was his plan all along to drain whatever value the house on Pheasant had remaining, since he could not sell it and the value dropped, like so many other houses in the area. Chase Bank knew that, too and thats why the bank suspended the equity loan agreement.

    Drew has assets that could be liquidated: his *toys* such as the airplane and the pension which he still gets.

  38. He’s also getting, which amount really surprised me, $2,700/month in SS benefits on behalf of Tom and Kris due to Kathleen’s death. Not sure of the exact amount, but it’s somewhere around that figure.

  39. It was Maksym on.

    He was asked what’s going on. Maksym said they’re putting out “feelers” to see whether or not someone would rent Peterson’s house as a studio-type base to report from during his trial.

    He was asked “how’d you come up with this?” It was one of the ideas that came up in conversations.

    He was asked about the idea that Geraldo Rivera should be involved. He said it came up in jest, but mentioned how Rivera camped out at Peterson’s house before and might be interested in paying rent to broadcast from there.

    Asked how much would it cost? Minimum? He didn’t have an answer, but said it’s a question of supply and demand and who’s willing to pay.

    He was asked how much they need (I believe it was meant to question how much do they need to pay for the defense they want, etc.). He said he’s not qualified to appraise rentals.

    He was asked if anything else is being considered (to make money). He said he won’t get into conversations they’ve had. He said the law was changed to prosecute him (Peterson), and the State has unlimited resources, the bank cut off his line of credit and he’s facing the monstrous power of the State.

    I believe he mentioned he has some type of court proceeding up next week, but didn’t quite hear what that was about.

  40. Thanks for filling us in Rescue.

    In the charges aginst Chase filed a couple of weeks ago Peterson’s income is stated as being about $8,826 a month with an annual income of nearly $109,000.

    16. That following PETERSON’S retirement in early November 2007 from the Bolingbrook Police Department, the Bolingbrook Police Pension Board voted on November 15, 2007 to allow him to
    collect his pension benefits in the amount of $6,067.71 per month (the “Pension”) since his retirement date, finding that by law his pension benefits could not be denied or limited in any way, as he had not been convicted of a crime. Accordingly, PETERSON has received, is receiving, and will be entitled to
    receive said pension payments, with increases, until his death.

    17. That in addition his pension, PETERSON has received, and is receiving monthly Social Security benefits of approximate $2,758.00 per month (the “Social Security Benefits”).

    18. That by reason of PETERSON’S having received being entitled to receive the foregoing pension and social security benefits in the combined monthly sum of approximately $8,826.00,

  41. And for the record, Chase’s official reason for freezing Peterson’s line of credit is because he is in jail.

    After careful consideration, and under the terms and conditions of your Chase Line of Credit agreement, we have:

    suspended further advances against your line, effective immediately, because of a material change in your financial condition as noted below: Access to your account by check, card or other device is also suspended.

    Our decision may have been based upon your entire credit activity, not necessariy on your Chase credit account history.
    The specific reason(s) for this action is:

    imprisonment

    This is from exhibit C of the document.
    https://petersonstory.wordpress.com/documents/#oo

  42. Maksym: He was asked if anything else is being considered (to make money). He said he won’t get into conversations they’ve had. He said the law was changed to prosecute him (Peterson), and the State has unlimited resources, the bank cut off his line of credit and he’s facing the monstrous power of the State.

    Can’t once, just once, any of these Scheme Team people show some compassion for the victims, and the “monstrous” being they must have faced at the time they died? I’m sick and tired of these media whores expecting us to believe Peterson’s nothing but a victim himself. This latest trick of theirs is more of the same tactics they’ve used all of these months — to keep Peterson’s name in the forefront and portray him as a poor sap that is being victimized. I don’t know what Judge White’s gag order was meant to do, but it’s not stopping the defense from skirting around it. Good for us to have something to talk about, but I’m not sure what Judge White’s gag order is accomplishing. Guess that’s up to him and the attorneys to figure out.

  43. Thinking more about what that blogger posted yesterday, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the scheme team is pitching the idea of a “reality show” as one of their money-making ventures.

    I just don’t think they could get a network or cable channel to touch it with a ten-foot pole.

  44. Hadn’t you heard, Rescue? There are no victims! Stacy was just abducted/ran away with a boyfriend/kidnapper-rapist and will one day resurface…all alive and stuff. Yay! As for Kathleen, she had a freak accident. It’s sad for a while but then you “get on with your life” (Drew’s words again).

    Seriously, it’s hard to believe that they are still trying to depict Drew as the pathetic victim in this situation. It hasn’t worked for two years and people aren’t going to start believeing it now.

  45. Heh. You should have seen Maksym on Fox. There is no doubt, after watching him squirm and avoid answering questions directed at him, that this is NOT the only idea they’re scheming up. Maksym is so programmed now to repeat how awful a predicament Peterson is in by not having access to sufficient funds to defend himself properly, it’s nothing more than a campaign to victimize Peterson. This is an attempt to get to sympathizers to sit up and listen to them repeat, over and over, how unjust Peterson’s situation is right now.

    Peterson might be in dire straits when it comes to his finances and his defense bills, but I feel that he’s accomplishing what he intends to, via Maksym now, which is making the media rounds and creating stories to have an opportunity to pound out the idea he’s being railroaded and treated unjustly.

    Sickening what they get away with.

  46. I mean to say that this latest interview wasn’t so much about the house bidding thing, because Maksym did not give one straight intelligent answer to any question asked of him about it. The only thing he said that was clear and concise is that Peterson is being chased by a monster. More of the same, and I assume that the next story line will be the next opportunity to send out the new schemer dude to repeat his message. Watch and see.

  47. BTW – I just rewatched an old Fox interview with Maksym from October 29, in which he states that he is not working pro bono on this case. In other words, he’s expecting to be paid as well.

    He also states that he was approached for the job.

    I wonder if he is feeling 100% comfortable with this shift from representing Peterson in his law suit against Chase, to now pimping out promotional opportunities for him. I mean, where does it end? Will he be at the Will County Courthouse hawking official Drew Peterson T-shirts at the next court date?

  48. If he can’t afford an atty one can be appointed for him.
    If he can’t afford an atty he shouldn’t be allowing his attorneys to file all these silly motions, and petitions.
    If he can’t afford an atty he shouldn’t of been doing all these stupid tv, and radio shows.
    If he can’t afford an atty he should of thought about that before he murdered his wives!

    Drew the victim? Nah he brought this all on himself! He got caught now it is time for justice to be served!

  49. It is more than a little annoying that Maksym is presenting this case as some sort of unusual David and Goliath situation. It’s not like Peterson is the first person ever to be tried by the state.

    Besides, he appears to have resources that he has yet to tap. As it’s been pointed out, he has motorcycles, the ultralite plane, a car and a SUV. I’d like to see him make some effort to pay his bills with the money he has before he starts hiring more attorneys, suing people and pulling media stunts.

    It’s going to be hard to sell the idea of “Poor Drew” when we’ve all seen his garage stuffed to the gills with toys.

  50. It just amazes me that the people that have to conduct these interviews can’t keep a straight face when they try to digest the answers they’re given, or the information they’re suppose to process and report.

    I am just as amazed that one of the news organizations doesn’t just spew it out — confront him with the questions as to how, for example, Maksym can make the morning news rounds and make biased statements against the State and on behalf of his client when, in fact, there’s a gag order. Maybe he can show us how smart he really is by explaining the judicial procedures as they apply to this case, namely, how Judge White required the defense to get approval by him of interviews, as well as the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission.

    Gotta hand it to his attorneys. They’re doing what they’re trying to get paid to do, that is distort, mix-up and fudge on the truth. They’re trying to get to the jury that Judge White admonished to avoid the news.

  51. You know, I wonder if techincally Maksym is excepted from the Judge White’s restrictions since he is not part of Peterson’s defense team per se, but is representing him in a different matter (the Chase suit).

    …White also ordered that all attorneys in the case must notify him and the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of any interviews and send copies of press releases.

    “If you are going to do an interview, I would like to be informed (beforehand) as to the time and place,” White said…

  52. White also ordered that all attorneys in the case …

    or,

    If you are going to do an interview, I would like to be informed (beforehand) as to the time and place

    Is it tell the Judge, but say what you will? I guess.

  53. If, as Brodsky and Abood claim, the State’s evidence against Peterson is so underwhelming and circumstantial, why is so much emphasis being placed on the fact that Peterson is suffering financially because he can’t properly defend the charges against him? I don’t understand it. Brodsky is supposed to have the mind of a chess player, and calls himself a “good lawyer,” so what’s the problem?

    Peterson should be assured and proud that he has chosen the lawyers that he has, because it seems as though they’re going to have to twist and turn the State’s evidence (or lack of it) to get him off. No problem if he can’t come up with enough money to pay a Dr. Wecht type to say Kathleen’s death was an accident. Brodsky can do it — it’ll be a slam dunk.

  54. Yeah, I thought the whole case hinged on the fact that “They can’t put Drew in that house at the time of Kathleen’s death”. You don’t need expert witnesses to testify to that.

    First Joel would have you believe that the State hasn’t got a case, now he needs many thousands of dollars in order to prove his client’s innocence.

    Which is it?

  55. Hi Facs, Rescue !

    They are so-jive pig-dogs. Of course they don’t believe what they’re saying. It makes me wonder if they suffer occupationally like old Redeyes did with his cold con cop-thing. Attorneys must become so used to having to suspend disbelief that eventually everything and nothing is true. The journalists/interviewers need to call them on their shit directly.

    Seeking to make money in this way makes this compound tragedy a product to whore for the benefit of monsters; it’s unbelievably immoral. unethical. Their whole campaign, of course always has been.

    I wish Mike and Juliet would invite Maksym round 😉

  56. Journalists could begin by correcting them when they refer to the new law. He is treated no differently than anyone else would be (this time around). All indicted face “the might” but not all enjoy an income of >8k a month. BTW, shouldn’t the people caring for Kitty’s boys have the Social Security cheque?

  57. It may just be me, but Maksym seems a lot more confident and comfortable when he was handling only a civil money matter for his client. Now that he’s been enfolded into the slimy arms of the Scheme Team he doesn’t seem to have the same comfortable demeanor. Of course maybe the derisive laughter from the anchors wasn’t helping.

  58. Oh, I get it now. They don’t necessarily expect to raise any money at all. They will eventually claim that it wasn’t a fair trial; could never be, and they are blameless because they did everything they could to raise the money. However, it’s poubelle. Corrosive and toxic to society and human wellbeing that everything is about the dinero, everything has a price the inverse ratio of its value. 😦

  59. You’re right, Facs. He looked like he had a little anxiety about getting all the “key selling points” out of his mouth.

  60. Oh, Bucket, that is without dispute. Maksym did say that Chase may be on the hook if Peterson eventually gets convicted, and he wasn’t able to get access to the funds they’re suing over in order to get competent defense experts. Laying the groundwork for another waste of the taxpayers’ money by tying up the courts with their frivolous suits. But we’re supposed to rise up and protest on behalf of Peterson’s rights to get access to a line of credit he’s been unjustly denied.

    Go figure. Quit doing ME any favors, Scheme Team.

  61. Makshym: “The State has “deep pockets.”

    What planet does this guy live on? We’re the State that had to kick Blago in the ass to get out of Dodge. Come on. Who’s this guy talking to?

  62. I wonder if they can even name any of these expensive experts they need.

    Pity about their bills being “filtered” (scrutinised) by the agency paying them.lol

  63. I just keep thinking of the many, many people who are charged with a crime but who don’t have the assets that Peterson has. This whole non-issue of Poor Drew’s “modest income” is just an insult to every impoverished defendant who ever had to rely on a court-appointed attorney, and was happy to get one.

    Of course, that’s not really what this is about. As usual, it’s about Drew’s parasites making sure that they all get as much money as possible. Joel Brodsky had no qualms about scoffing at the Savio Family because they didn’t properly bilk Drew’s insurance company:

    …He criticized the Savio family’s attorneys, calling them “amateurs” who “mucked up” their case by failing to also sue Peterson for negligently causing Savio’s death, thereby getting his homeowner’s insurance…

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/10/peterson-wont-contest-judges-insurance-ruling.html

    But now they would have us believe that they have a moral issue with asking tax payers to foot Drew’s bill?

  64. I know this is a little off subject here, the term status as pertaining to trials was eating at me lately for I wasn’t sure what it was about. I finally looked it up. What I was confused about was in the case of Michael Robinson. I know I saw on the schedule a few months back that it was finally at trial status. So in looking up what goes on at a status hearing, I was trying to figure out where the case with Michael Robinson stands. So it has to do with either a plea, witnesses not showing up, or some kind of other continuance reasons I presume. Anyone have any ideas on what it may be? I’m hoping he may be bargaining his case with prosecutors to spill information about Drew. Just speculation and hopeful thinking in that comment. I know they post those court schedules and he’s been on them for the last year right? So it seems like it went from motions to pretrial then to trial and now at status.I don’t get it.

  65. Why don’t any of these reporters ever mention this is not just Drews house to do whatever he likes with, this is also Stacy’s house (!!)

    Furthermore it’s very insulting for Walter Maksym to say to the interviewers “put yourself in his shoes”

    They should have stopped him going down that road right there and then, but I’m glad they were laughing in his face about the idiocy re the proposal of renting out the house !

  66. BTW – Why is Maksym going on and on about “the might of the State”, considering Joel Brodsky has mentioned from day one the State doesn’t have anything, they don’t have a case, they have a weak case at best, their case is based on innuendo, hearsay/double hearsay and over the fence gossip, so this case should be a piece of cake for the Defense and should be over in five minutes.

    Where is the “might of the State” if they don’t have anything ??

  67. givarat :I know this is a little off subject here, the term status as pertaining to trials was eating at me lately for I wasn’t sure what it was about. I finally looked it up. What I was confused about was in the case of Michael Robinson. I know I saw on the schedule a few months back that it was finally at trial status. So in looking up what goes on at a status hearing, I was trying to figure out where the case with Michael Robinson stands. So it has to do with either a plea, witnesses not showing up, or some kind of other continuance reasons I presume. Anyone have any ideas on what it may be? I’m hoping he may be bargaining his case with prosecutors to spill information about Drew. Just speculation and hopeful thinking in that comment. I know they post those court schedules and he’s been on them for the last year right? So it seems like it went from motions to pretrial then to trial and now at status.I don’t get it.

    I read somewhere, that he has a new attorney. That might be the reason they have to start all over. Unreal!

  68. Thanks Grandam, that does make more sense now. Because I think the status part comes at the beginning. I read that the status part also can be a sentencing period. It doesn’t seem like Will Counties court follows that order though. Also since it’s a criminal trial and not civil. So now my smoking brain can rest lol. Thanks again.

  69. Whether all the delay is by way of not revealing any deal at least until Droopy’s trial begins, or if it is chiefly the defense trying to wear down the witnesses (I sure hope they’re getting good LE support)whenever Robinson is tried, it will be very interesting! Although it could be a mawney (that’s the closest I can come to spelling it the way Broadway Joel pronounces it)problem? Mebbe switched to a public defender or someone with literary aspirations?

    Something else about these outrages to public decency pretending to be human beings; they’ve got their piggy eyes on a lot more than their billable hours.

  70. Of course the Scheme Team wouldn’t like to see Drippy’s good bud Robinson convicted before the mommykiller trial even begins.

  71. I realize this is a very obvious question, but why not just quietly rent out the house with help from relatives for an extra $1,500 a month or so?

    The fact that they hired yet another lawyer and then started the media circuit again just shows what this is really about–keeping the circus in full swing.

    The joking around about Geraldo Rivera is the proof of that pudding.

  72. givarat :I know this is a little off subject here, the term status as pertaining to trials was eating at me lately for I wasn’t sure what it was about. I finally looked it up. What I was confused about was in the case of Michael Robinson. I know I saw on the schedule a few months back that it was finally at trial status. So in looking up what goes on at a status hearing, I was trying to figure out where the case with Michael Robinson stands. So it has to do with either a plea, witnesses not showing up, or some kind of other continuance reasons I presume. Anyone have any ideas on what it may be? I’m hoping he may be bargaining his case with prosecutors to spill information about Drew. Just speculation and hopeful thinking in that comment. I know they post those court schedules and he’s been on them for the last year right? So it seems like it went from motions to pretrial then to trial and now at status.I don’t get it.

    As someone else said he may have changed his lawyer. Sometimes there are continuances if the court has set up for the person to go to drug treatment, anger management classes, or community service in leiu of a prosecution sticking on their record. Kind of like supervision. They did this with my nephew. We had to prove he went to drug treatment and then they kept doing monthly status hearings until he got out of the facility. Once he got out and had the paperwork from the drug treatment facility that he completed his treatment and then they dropped all of the charges. If he didn’t do what he was supposed to then they would have convicted him and sentenced him to prison.

    So in reality – the status hearings can mean so many things and they are very, very common.

  73. facsmiley :I realize this is a very obvious question, but why not just quietly rent out the house with help from relatives for an extra $1,500 a month or so?
    The fact that they hired yet another lawyer and then started the media circuit again just shows what this is really about–keeping the circus in full swing.
    The joking around about Geraldo Rivera is the proof of that pudding.

    That would not really be media-worthy news now would it?? LOL.

  74. Aww, come on everyone, didn’t you get the powerful message Maksym was sending out? Even David Navarro, the Fox News anchor, called it altruistic (snicker, snicker). Shouldn’t we all be appreciative that the Scheme Team is doing us a favor by looking out for our tax money welfare, and, at the same time, saving Sir Assalot from being victimized by the mighty power of the deep pocketed State, and their resources?

    Now, then, even though the Scheme Team had a year and a half to prepare for the possibility of the defendant being charged with a crime, they used their time to screw around and act like the morons that they are.

    Too bad, so sad.

  75. THESE are the points that are important. And they will be. Not Maksym, Brodsky and Abood dreaming up bull to pass out to the rest of us, which doesn’t make jack squat bit of difference. We’re not the jury. But, by these shenanigans, it sure looks like they’re trying to appeal to some pumpkinhead they hope makes it to the jury.

    http://origin2.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519649,00.html

    GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: On April 17, 2008, Drew Peterson went “On the Record” about the wife he is now accused of murdering, and he had some words about Dr. Michael Baden, who did an autopsy on Savio’s exhumed body and declared her death a homicide.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Drew, did you read the coroner’s jury’s report when they had the first round after Kathleen Savio died?

    PETERSON: No, I was just advised of certain things, that it was an accidental death and it was a drowning. That’s basically all we were told and that’s all the information that I had.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Were you ever suspicious it was anything more than just a drowning?

    PETERSON: No, not at that time, none whatsoever.

    VAN SUSTEREN: OK, you say “not at that time.” Did something change that you became suspicious that it wasn’t an accidental drowning?

    PETERSON: Well, this is new information that Dr. Baden is coming out with has got me a little concerned that there was something different. But I’m more relying on the first fresh autopsy than I would be the second one that’s several years later. So until we get to look at all the evidence and examine these coroner’s reports, you know, I’m still of the belief that she died accidentally in the bathtub.

  76. (Continued)

    VAN SUSTEREN: Dr. Michael Baden joins us.

    DR. MICHAEL BADEN, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Hi.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Dr. Baden, upon examining the remains of Kathleen Savio, what was it that led to your conclusion that this was not an accident but a homicide?

    BADEN: Well, examining the remains confirmed that she had died of drowning, as the first autopsy said. But it also confirmed that she’d been beaten up. She had bruises, black and blue marks, on both sides of the body, right side, left side, chest, abdomen, thighs. She had a laceration on the top of the head. That couldn’t happen in an accidental fall. So I think that clearly would have — should have made it a homicide three-and- a-half years earlier, when the death had occurred.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any way to determine whether those bruises, though, were at a time concurrent to the drowning, that they had not occurred — had occurred at, you know, a much earlier date?

    BADEN: Yes, from the color, appearance, and from the microscopic evaluation, it was clear that these were fresh bruisings that happened around the time of death.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Are those bruisings, the black — the back and side, both sides, the chest — were those present in the written report from autopsy number one that you did not perform but that was the first one done three years ago, or four years ago?

    BADEN: Yes, Greta. In fact, when you looked at it, before we did the re-autopsy — before I did the re-autopsy, you were concerned because there was a laceration, a bleeding laceration on the head, as well as black and blue marks on both sides of the body. We found a few more black and blue marks three-and-a-half years later. But there were enough initially to indicate that this could not have happened in an accidental fall. And the autopsy showed she was healthy. She didn’t use drugs. And that normal, healthy people just don’t die in bathtubs at home.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Was there anything — were her hands in enough of a good enough condition so you could see whether there’d been a struggle?

    BADEN: No. At the time of the autopsy, the trunk and the abdomen were in good conditions. The hands had decomposed considerably over the three-and-a-half years. But at the initial examination, the hands were described and there was some bruising on some of the fingers.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Dr. Baden, thank you, sir.

    BADEN: Thank you, Greta.

  77. (Dr. Baden) But at the initial examination, the hands were described and there was some bruising on some of the fingers.

    I never came across this information before, or, at the very least, remember reading it. I wasn’t aware that she had bruises on her fingertips. I wonder if he meant he noted bruising on the fingertips, or the bruising was described previously.

  78. Can someone please tell me if Drew was checked for scratches for sure? I thought someone said he was and I just took that as fact, or forgot that the person who said it backed it up somehow. I do remember the bandana he wore however during the first few days Stacy went missing. I don’t think he was checked then for scratches for sure either.

  79. That’s a good question, Givarat. At this stage even if they say they had unless they have photographs I’m not sure anyone can be sure.

  80. I don’t know or think there’s anything available on the Internet about the issue of scratches or not on DP. That, I suppose, is in the initial police reports, and they’ve not been made available.

    In that case:

    He was examined for scratches and/or bruises and none were noted;

    He was examined for scratches and/or bruises, they were noted, but he explained them away;

    He was not examined for scratches and/or bruises, and no mention of either doing so or not doing so is mentioned in the reports;

    Last, but not least, he was merely asked if he had any scratches and/or bruises on him, he denied there were, and that was the end of it.

    The point is, though, is it mentioned in the report to indicate it was something that was important enough to investigate? If not, IMO, if the defense brings it up to their advantage by saying he had no scratches or marks on him, that’s pointless if he was not examined for them.

    In the absence of marks on Peterson himself, Derek Armstrong claims this about a question he preferred to ask Peterson during his lie detector examination:

    The key one would be did he hire someone or know of someone being hired to harm either Kathleen Savio or Stacy Peterson,” Armstrong said of the polygraph test. “I wasn’t allowed to ask that question.”

  81. Was looking back through “Exposed” recently (it sits in the bathroom where it belongs) and in an interview with Armstrong, Brodsky gives an indication of where his defense might go in the case of Kathleen:

    1. The bruising was small and old. He demonstrates by tossing three quarters on his desk saying that’s the amount of bruising on her body.

    2. Kathleen was active and could have gotten the abdomen bruises by exercise equipment.

    3. No one could have hit Kathleen in the stomach because, being such a “hellcat” she would have fought back.

    4. The mirtral valve thickening that was noted on the autopsy could have caused her to faint and therefore hit her head.

    This is what he was telling Armstrong back in Spring of ’08 so who knows if this it what he’ll try to pull off in court of not…

  82. rescueapet :

    In the absence of marks on Peterson himself, Derek Armstrong claims this about a question he preferred to ask Peterson during his lie detector examination:

    The key one would be did he hire someone or know of someone being hired to harm either Kathleen Savio or Stacy Peterson,” Armstrong said of the polygraph test. “I wasn’t allowed to ask that question.”

    From what we’ve seen, it looks like he attempted to hire someone at least once, maybe twice. No wonder he didn’t want to be questioned about it. Especially, if this is how Kathleen ultimately died.

  83. Here are the four polygraph questions asked of Peterson regarding Kathleen’s death (set up by Brodsky and Peterson, using their examiner, and using their questions):

    1. Did you see your ex-wife Kathy alive anytime after you picked up the kids from her house on Friday, February 27, 2004?

    2. Did you have any type of contact with your ex-wife Kathy after you picked up the kids from her on Friday, February 27, 2004?

    3. Did you have any involvement in the death of your ex-wife Kathy in 2004?

    4. Were you present at the time of your ex-wife Kathy’s death?

  84. The fact that Kathleen was murdered is not in question. The “who did it” is.

    No wonder Brodsky is pushing his contention that you can’t get a conviction if you can’t show he was there during the time Kathleen died. If it turns out that the actual murderer has been identified as having been hired by Drew, is that to mean, via Brodsky, that his client should be found not-guilty?

    This is looking more and more like there’s another individual involved after all. Maybe he gave Stacy enough information, which she relayed to others, that set LE on the path to discover the truth.

    Either way, the GJ handed down an indictment and he was charged with two counts of murder.

  85. On the other hand, the complaint filed by the Savios for Kathleen’s wrongful death has some information worth considering. For one:

    Defendant Peterson told Stacy how he hit Kathleen on the back of the head, making her death look like an accident.”

    That information wasn’t known to the public until after Stacy disappeared, and it was brought to light with Kathleen’s exhumation and renewed interest.

    Also, in the complaint, it’s mentioned that Kathleen’s time of death was early Sunday morning.

    Stacy, when questioned by LE after Kathleen’s death, said the only time Peterson left the house was Sunday morning to get donuts.

    No information is available as to how long he was gone, and if he took one of the kids with him.

  86. Brodsky: “You have to remember that Drew doesn’t have to prove his innocence, the state has to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt,” Brodsky stated on the program. He explained his opinion that the case against his client is “circumstantial at best” and reaffirmed his belief that his client has nothing to hide. “Drew has accounted for all his time during the period of time Kathleen died…the scenario of him doing this is basically almost impossible for him to have accomplished,” Brodsky said.

    What does “basically almost impossible” mean?

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Drews-Defense.html

  87. Drew says here he was working, so if working why didn’t he call the department for back up to go into the house? He is on duty and calls a locksmith? Isn’t that a departmental issue where he should lose his pension if he is found guilty for not following procedure?

    PETERSON: I don’t know. I don’t know. She — we got information that she drowned in the bathtub. I was working. I was a watch commander at the police department. And the previous night, I believe it was, she failed to respond at the door to allow me to bring the children home. The children were with me for the weekend. That was unusual for her, so I started calling her on the phone and I started questioning with the neighbors. And they were also alerted because it was unusual for her. I had neighbors go into the house and they found her dead in the bathtub.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0804/11/lkl.01.html

  88. “There was tremendous pressure for the government to do something in this case,” Abood said. But he said one of Peterson’s sons with Savio has “provided a lock tight alibi” for his father, who faces up to 60 years in prison if convicted.

    In an appearance on CBS’ “The Early Show” last month, 16-year-old Thomas Peterson appeared alongside his father and defended him.

    “I highly do not believe that my dad had murdered my mom. Because, first off, he wasn’t there, he was with us during that period of time,” Thomas Peterson said on the show.

    http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/may/07/us-police-officers-wife-050709/?nation

  89. I know he did a lot of strange things for a civilian, let alone a police officer, in having Kathleen discovered dead during what we’d call a well being check, but the fact remains, could he have been out of the sight of his alibi(s) during a time period when Kathleen is presumed to have died? If she died on Sunday morning, and that’s during the time he left the house, as Stacy told the police during her interview, that’s interesting. If he was out of the house during the wee hours of Sunday night/Monday morning, when he said he was home, could that have been when he went back to the house to clean up the scene?

    If these two specific time periods are indisputable, and he has the “lock-tight alibi” his attorneys say he does, then he’s not so much in the trick bag. If it just so happens that he can’t account for all of that time, then he’s go some things to clear up for the jury, no?

  90. “I highly do not believe that my dad had murdered my mom. Because, first off, he wasn’t there, he was with us during that period of time,” Thomas Peterson said on the show.

    Facs brought this up earlier. How would he know what “period of time” she died, had he not been told by his father and defense team? He was eleven years old at the time. He does not know when his mother died. He was told when his mother died. He’d then have to connect that time period with the time spent with his father, hour by hour.

    Now, if he was with his father when he went on a Sunday morning errand, and went to the house with his father, waiting back in the car while his father went into the house to talk to his mother about something (merely a scenario), I’d have an easier time believing that, than believing an eleven year old can account for every hour of the day of a long weekend on visitation with his father.

  91. I think my comment was that since the Tom Alibi is a product of the only the last couple years (since Stacy disappeared and well after the inquest into Kathy’s death), that Kathleen’s approximate time of death would be known to Tom, Drew, Joel, well…everyone.

  92. Damn – anyone ever notice that the dates on the Wrongful Death complaint are incorrect?

    1 That during the night of February 28 – March 1, 2004 Stacy woke up to find Drew was gone. She checked the house and couldn’t find him.

    But 2004 was a leap year. Saturday was the 28th, Sunday was the 29th and Monday was March 1st.

    Rescue and I were trying to pin down exactly which night Stacy saw Drew feeding the washing machine…

  93. rescueapet :I know he did a lot of strange things for a civilian, let alone a police officer, in having Kathleen discovered dead during what we’d call a well being check, but the fact remains, could he have been out of the sight of his alibi(s) during a time period when Kathleen is presumed to have died? If she died on Sunday morning, and that’s during the time he left the house, as Stacy told the police during her interview, that’s interesting. If he was out of the house during the wee hours of Sunday night/Monday morning, when he said he was home, could that have been when he went back to the house to clean up the scene?
    If these two specific time periods are indisputable, and he has the “lock-tight alibi” his attorneys say he does, then he’s not so much in the trick bag. If it just so happens that he can’t account for all of that time, then he’s go some things to clear up for the jury, no?

    Right well they are saying Kathleen died sometime after she spoke to her boyfriend last after midnight. So is his son trying to say he can account for where Drew was from midnight till 7 am? I highly doubt that would be the case being most kids his age are in bed at that time. I don’t see how he could have a lock tight alibi being they are presuming she died somewhere after midnight till the early hours.

  94. Just a reminder that Dr. Baden will be on Steph Watt’s blogtalk radio show tomorrow night.

    If you have questions, here’s your chance!

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Watts-Up-With-This

    Dr. Baden is the former Chief Medical Examiner of New York City, and he is the host of the HBO “Autopsy” series, now in its thirteenth year. He is also a Contributor for FOX News Channel, and is a reviewer for the New England Journal of Medicine. He performed the autopsy on Kathleen Savio, 3rd wife of Bolingbrook Police Officer Drew Peterson, now behind bars. Dr Baden’s results reclassified Savio’s murder from an accident to a homicide.

    Linda Kenny Baden, an expert Criminal Defense Attorney and Author, best known for her work on the Phil Spector defense team, is also preparing to defend Casey Anthony in her death penalty case in Florida. Together they penned two thriller novels — “Remains Silent” and “Skeleton Justice.” Available on amazon.com. They will take us inside their cases, inside their lives together, and take your calls!!

  95. I guess they do have a better idea of the time of death than I thought they did. I missed early on about the midnight call from her boyfriend on Sunday morning. The rigor mortis thing has me stumped now however. I have to go reread this again.

  96. rigor mortis (rĭ`gər môr`tĭs), rigidity of the body that occurs after death. The onset may vary from about 10 min to several hours or more after death, depending on the condition of the body at death and on factors in the atmosphere, particularly temperature. Rigor mortis affects the facial musculature first and then spreads to other parts of the body. It is caused by chemical changes in the muscle tissue. The state of rigor usually lasts about 24 hours or until muscle decomposition takes place by acid formation.
    The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia® Copyright © 2007, Columbia University Press. Licensed from Columbia University Press. All rights reserved. http://www.cc.columbia.edu/cu/cup/
    Other encyclopedia sources says 3-4 days it lasts.Interesting.

  97. Your welcome Rescueapet. I didn’t know it went away. So I’m assuming that when Kathy was found and no rigor was reported that it was already passed that state.

  98. Facs,

    According to Mark Fuhrman he says that Stacy seen Drew at the washing machine the night before Kathleen was found in a dry bath.

    Mark Fuhrman Shares New Evidence in Peterson Probe
    Thursday, December 13, 2007

    This is a rush transcript from “On the Record ,” December 12, 2007. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    MARK FUHRMAN, FMR LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE, FOX ANALYST: Well, what’s interesting — I have a source that actually told me that when Stacy actually confided in the pastor, she made a statement that she woke up in the middle of the night, she could not find Drew. And this was the night before Kathleen is found in the bathtub. And she can’t find him in the house, and she starts calling incessantly, numerous times, to try to get a hold of him. He never answers.

  99. Then Mark said this afterward;

    Mark Fuhrman;
    Now, that day that they actually talk to Stacy and Drew and the neighbors, when they find Kathleen, they get information that is an alibi, and that alibi is something that Stacy provides for Drew.

  100. MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: “I believe it’s absolutely corroborated that Stacy told Pastor Schori that day [August 2007] that in that time when she finally found Drew in the house [03/01/2004], she heard him, he was downstairs by the washing machine, she saw him, he was standing there in all black, stripping down and putting his clothes into the washing machine. He also had a bag in his hand that he emptied that was woman’s clothes and he looks at her and he starts telling her, explaining to her in several hours the police are going to be here and they are going to ask a lot of questions and I’m going to tell you what to say. It will be a perfect crime.” – “We know several things about her [Kathleen], she didn’t wear jewelry in the bathtub, she didn’t wear it in the shower and she didn’t wear it swimming because she felt she had a reaction on her skin when it was wet. She didn’t have her hair down.

  101. MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: Greta I’ll start at the beginning. We have to take ourselves back to February 29, 2004, that Sunday night into the early morning hours of March 1st, that was a Monday. Now Kathleen Savio was found Monday night at 11:17 p.m. almost midnight. Just prior to that we heard on Monday [12/10/2007], we heard Pastor Schori tell you that Stacy actually confided in him that Drew Peterson had actually confessed that he killed Kathleen and of course you followed up then and he said Stacy told him that very night [Sunday 02/29/2004 – Monday 03/01/2004]. Now I’ve got sources that later in the week we found out she woke up in the middle of the night and there were numerous times she tried to find Drew in the house and she couldn’t find him. She yelled out for him, she called him on the cell phone numerous times, described in almost excessively, he never answered. Where was Drew?”

  102. According to Bolingbrook PD and the Mayor they say in a document sent to me:

    On March 1, 2004 at 10:44 p.m. The Village’s dispatch Center received a call that Kathleen Savio had been found unresponsive in a bathtub in her home.

    On March 1, 2004 at 11:17 p.m. The Will County Coroners arrived at the scene

    At 12:01 a.m. on March 2, 2004 the assistance of the Illinois State police were
    requested. The Illinois State Police officers arrived at the scene and took over the investigation at 12:54 a.m. on March 2, 2004

  103. Here Carcerano says that the Locksmith was already there with Drew when him(steve), and the neighbor showed up at the house.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/30/ng.01.html

    CARCERANO: That night I, was coming home from work. It was about 9:00, 9:30, and I was coming down the street. And Drew was accosting (ph) me on the street. He actually stopped me and said, I need you to go to the house in the next 10 to 15 minutes. I have a locksmith coming over there. Mary, her friend, he contacted to go over there.

    He said he he`d been trying to drop off the kids for the past day-and- a-half and she hasn`t been responding. So I pulled up in the driveway, and I went nest door to get Mary, and then we proceeded over to the house. And the locksmith and Drew were there.

    The locksmith opened up the door. Mary and I went up the stairs. Drew stayed downstairs by the door. And Mary`s husband and son went into the (INAUDIBLE) to see if the car was there. We went up the stairs and went into the bedroom. Mary veered off to the right and went to the bed because the covers were kind of puffed up, ruffled over, and I went into the closet …

  104. Thanks Questions. I’ve seen those Fuhrman quotes (from a Nancy Grace Show) but you know, I can’t take what he says as fact. He says that a source who knows what Stacy told to Schori reported that stuff to him. Just too many degrees of separation for me.

    I tend to believe that the murder took place the same night as Stacy woke and couldn’t find Drew and then later found him doing laundry. That would be the night of Saturday, the 28th or more accurately the first hours of Sunday, the 29th.

    It’s just my opinion and I can’t back it up with quotes since I’ve seen so much confusion about the dates (the leap year really screwed things up) but that’s the way I’m leaning.

  105. There lies the confusion. Which night it was that Stacy woke up to find Peterson gone. The hours past midnight Saturday into Sunday, or the hours past midnight Sunday into Monday.

    I am not sure of the timeline of her killing, but I think it’s possible Peterson killed Kathleen early Sunday morning, but went back at a later time to clean up the scene — when Stacy woke up to find him missing.

  106. Yea I got to agree with Facs on what she said and not put too much stock on what Fuhrman is reporting. But your theory is possible Rescue. For its not really reported or can be known what happened the other nights. Of that whole weekend that is.It has been reported that a lot of disinformation was being put out there on purpose in this case back then. I just can’t help to think that the outlet for that was Furhman. Now that a lot of it is contradictory to what we know now. That’s just the feeling I get anyway.I guess I should just clarify something else. Where is the, (Sunday night, – Monday morning), time frame coming from that is in question here?

  107. Unfortunately, we are piecing it together from various reports, be they legal documents (the wrongful death suit), hearsay reports (Schori), investigative reports (Fuhrman), etc. What I’ve realized today is that they are all over the place as far as the dates of that three-day weekend. I think the 5-year lapse of time has taken its toll as far as the dates are concerned (and the leap year did not help).

    I know what Drew offers as a timeline (via “Drew Peterson Exposed) but of course that doesn’t include any unexplained trips to Kathy’s house or absences from his own, and certainly no mentions of a murder confession to his wife.

    The one thing which would answer some key questions would be the phone records for both Stacy and Drew’s cell phones from February 28 and 29. According to Pastor Schori, Stacy said she woke up and couldn’t find Drew and called his cell phone repeatedly with no answer. The records could tell us which night that was…unless Drew’s phone was off, in which case I don’t think there would be any record of the calls.

  108. There could be recoverable information on the phone itself, and that phone might have been among all those confiscated by LE. Just a thought.

  109. When I have my phone off it would go to my answering service in which then the call would be recorded and logged. I can’t think of any way around avoiding the answering machine on a cell anyway. Maybe call forwarding, but then if that line isn’t picked up it does the same thing. Unless of course the forwarded call goes to a landline with no answering machine. I tend to think however in light of the rigor mortis discovery I made is that Kathy was dead probably more than 48 hours before she was found.The one thing about the theory of Drew going back on Sunday night to clean up evidence is that why wait? Too much risk in her being discovered by someone else in the meantime along with left evidence.Not that it isn’t an impossible idea, just would be a stupid move on DP’s part. Yes being a leap year I’m sure would have thrown a lot of people off if you try to put the dates together in your head without looking at a calendar.

  110. I take the more than 48 hours back there lol. Not enough coffee yet. I agree that she was killed Sunday morning anyway and that morning is when Stacy was calling Drew.

  111. Attorney Kelly, the one handling the wrongful death suit against Drew, also appears to say she died the night that Stacy says he was missing, then returned with bloody clothes. But, which night that was is not indicated.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Do you have any evidence tying Drew Peterson to the home of Kathleen Savio the night she died or the weekend that she died?

    KELLY: We have statements from Stacy indicating that Drew was not in the home that night, the night of, you know, Kathleen’s death, where we’ve put the time and date of death. And Stacy indicated that she couldn’t find him then, tried to locate him, and he showed up early the next morning.

    VAN SUSTEREN: And by Stacy, you mean wife number four is at home. She’s looking for her husband. She can’t find him. And your theory, I guess, is that he went over and killed wife number three, who lived about three blocks away.

    KELLY: Well, it’s not just our theory, it’s what, you know, Stacy told her pastor and what, by her own account, she observed and was told and saw Drew come home himself with a bag of ladies’ clothing and put them in the washer early that morning.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519439,00.html

  112. And if that isn’t confusing enough, throw this in:

    PETERSON: I was home with Stacy. Stacy had just had her wisdom teeth taken out and I had spent the weekend and the prior week with her, basically babysitting her and taking care of her.

    Drew has just given a statement describing his whereabouts on the day before Kathleen’s body was discovered. The interviewer is continuing to ask about Kathleen’s death and Drew looks a little nervous as he begins to rub his mouth.

    https://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/drew-peterson-society-you-can-kiss-my-butt/

  113. Here’s a thought.

    We know that the time of death is hard to pinpoint exactly, and we also know that Drew is not going to take any risks.

    So what if (and I am going to speculate here)…

    …The murder took place during the time Drew took the family to the Shedd Aquarium (Feb 29th, Sunday morning). It was committed by whoever it was that Drew hired to carry it out. This person also did a clean up of the scene and took Kathleen’s clothing (evidence) to some other location.

    The family returns from their outing. They dine, then Drew makes a pretense of attempting to return the kids. They go back home and retire for the night. Later (late night Sunday/early morning Monday) Stacy awakens to find Drew gone (he has snuck out to retrieve the evidence from wherever his accomplice hid it). Later she catches him at the washing machines where he tells her he has taken care of a “problem” and “you know where I was”.

    Well….who knows? This scenario would mean that Drew never did enter Kathleen’s house and that is the one thing that Joel has trumpeted from the first day Drew became a suspect in her death, “They cannot put Drew in that house“. Maybe he never was.

    In a sick way, Drew might have enjoyed the irony that he was visiting the aquarium while his ex-wife was being drowned.

    I really hope they are looking at bank and cellphone records from the weeks before and after Kathleen’s death, not just that weekend.

    BTW, if this is how things went down, it would have been easier to answer “no” to the four polygraph questions without showing deception (which he did).

    1. Did you see your ex-wife Kathy alive anytime after you picked up the kids from her house on Friday, February 27, 2004?

    2. Did you have any type of contact with your ex-wife Kathy after you picked up the kids from her on Friday, February 27, 2004?

    3. Did you have any involvement in the death of your ex-wife Kathy in 2004?

    4. Were you present at the time of your ex-wife Kathy’s death?

  114. I don’t know. The only thing I got to go on for sure is the time of death listed by Dr. Baden. I don’t think the original one gives any kind of date. So I”m assuming that is the same date that Kelly meant. Early Sunday morning that is. It’s not so far fetched that Drew would come up with the alibi that he was home all that time. Ric Mimms reported that Drew said Stacy was his alibi if you recall and Ric responded as saying as to paraphrase, something like well thats kind of going to be hard since she’s not around.So then his son appears offering an alibi for him. I don’t think Tom was awake all Sunday morning to note if Drew slipped out of the house. Remember Kathy only lived blocks away so he didn’t even have to drive. Stacy offers the account that Drew went missing the same night as her supposed death. The Pastor notes that the story was detailed enough that she wasn’t just guessing at it. The defense is just relying on since there were no witnesses to where he was, or at least noone saw him at Kathy’s house, then they don’t have a case.Its just hearsay then by what Stacy told the Pastor. I think the main holdup on the Grand jury was to obtain and search all those phone records. At least that is what the States Attorney has said. They took there time, did a thorough investigation and got an indictment from a Grand Jury. Also a note to remember is that Drew knew or said something only the murderer would know.

  115. Very interesting, Facs.

    Here’s an excerpt from Fatal Vows

    But Stacy reportedly had done some talking about the night Drew’s wife before her had died. After Stacy vanished at least two men came forward to say she had conversations with them about Kathleen’s death.

    Two men? If the other man who Stacy confided in is Attorney Harry Smith, that might be very tricky for the Scheme Team to get past. However, this other man’s knowledge of what Stacy told him has never been reported, that I know of.

  116. One problem I have with the idea of Drew hiring someone to kill Kathy is that, according to Neil Schori, Stacy said “He did it. He killed Kathleen.”

    I don’t know why Drew would confess to her that he in fact did it, if technically he could distance himself from the crime. If he actually had someone else do it, I sort of imagine he would say something more along the lines of “I’m responsible”. But, of course I don’t know.

  117. Maybe it will help…
    ——-
    JULIET: What would he do? What were some of the things that he did?
    MIMS: With Stacy he had gotten her a cell phone with GPS tracking so he could track her movements on it. With Kathleen he had tapped the phones in her house.
    – MIKE: His third wife?
    – MIMS: Yes, his third wife.
    – JULIET: Who is dead, by the way, found in a bathtub.
    – MIMS: Correct. And we did some surveillance on her. I helped with some surveillance on her.
    – JULIET: You helped do some surveillance with Drew?
    – MIKE: What do you mean—you just followed her around?
    – MIMS: Yeah, when he was going through is divorce, it was right before the property settlement, the end of ’03, beginning of ’04. And he was worried that she was staying at her boyfriend’s house with the children. And he wanted to make sure, this is the story he told me, that she was leaving from her house in the morning to go to work.
    – MIKE: What is this thing that you would surveil her though?
    – MIMS: We monitored every move she made in the morning when she would go to work.
    – MIKE: You had communication with each other?
    – MIMS: We had a two-way radio.
    – JULIET: You felt like, I mean, why were you doing that? You felt like he was being wronged?
    – MIMS: Yes, I mean, it was a bitter divorce he was going through, he was a friend, and I was helping him gather evidence to help lower his alimony.
    – MIKE: What did you ever catch her doing?
    – MIMS: Nothing!

    —-

    ANNA DOMAN, KATHLEEN SAVIO’S SISTER: “Well, it would be someone with a key or it would be someone with the garage door opener, or someone who knew how to pick a lock. And I don’t know anyone else who had a key. I didn’t even have a key. She had had the locks changed. I don’t know who had a key. I don’t know if Drew had a key or not. I believe he had a garage door opener. I am not positive. I believe he did.”
    ——–
    “Did couple break up? Peterson’s attorney, Joel Brodsky, claims Maniaci and Savio broke off their relationship the weekend before she was found dead. “If he was smart, he took the Fifth,” Brodsky said of Maniaci. “If it was my girlfriend who was found dead, and it was declared a homicide, and I had the code to the alarm system, and there were no signs of forced entry, I would have a lawyer with me.” Maniaci could not be reached for comment. Savio’s niece, Melissa Doman, disputed Brodsky’s assertion. “No. If memory serves me correctly, he was at my aunt’s wake,” Melissa Doman said. “Why would he be there if they broke up?”

    [In fact, they were to get married…]
    ———

    Another man in Kathleen’s life who was interviewed – her boyfriend Steve Maniaci. Maniaci is mentioned as being robbed shortly before Kathleen’s murder.
    ———

  118. Kathleen died between 2 am and 6 am, so she wasn’t killed during the day and it is highly unlikely Thomas Peterson was wide awake at that time of the night to know where his father was or anyone else for that matter as most 11 year olds are asleep between those hours.

    Also how many women take baths between 2 am and 6 am ??? and at the end of February, that’s not exactly in the middle of a scorching hot summers night either ……..

  119. Best part of that post:

    – MIMS: Yes, I mean, it was a bitter divorce he was going through, he was a friend, and I was helping him gather evidence to help lower his alimony.
    – MIKE: What did you ever catch her doing?
    – MIMS: Nothing!

  120. Rescue said:
    Two men? If the other man who Stacy confided in is Attorney Harry Smith, that might be very tricky for the Scheme Team to get past. However, this other man’s knowledge of what Stacy told him has never been reported, that I know of.

    We don’t know for sure about the 2nd man, but even more interestingly we haven’t heard everything Neil Schori has to say. That should be interfering with the Scheme Team’s quiet repose!

    I wonder if we’ll learn more about the robbery of Steve M.? Did Drew hears a bugged conversation about Kitty giving Steve money? I wonder about that, too, because I think he went nuts (well, nutser) over Stacy moving the $20k just before she disappeared.

  121. facsmiley :
    One problem I have with the idea of Drew hiring someone to kill Kathy is that, according to Neil Schori, Stacy said “He did it. He killed Kathleen.”
    I don’t know why Drew would confess to her that he in fact did it, if technically he could distance himself from the crime. If he actually had someone else do it, I sort of imagine he would say something more along the lines of “I’m responsible”. But, of course I don’t know.

    Because (it’s alleged)he’d been turned down at least once when he tried to find someone else to “hit” Kitty, I think it’s maybe logical he ended up doing it himself because it’s bad enough just the person who turned you down already knows what you’re up to. Although another hand on the nightstand would explain those funky polygraph question selections….

  122. bucketoftea :

    I wonder if we’ll learn more about the robbery of Steve M.? Did Drew hears a bugged conversation about Kitty giving Steve money? I wonder about that, too, because I think he went nuts (well, nutser) over Stacy moving the $20k just before she disappeared.

    Good point!

  123. GAR – Stacy moved that money shortly before she told the creep she wanted a divorce, for the purpose of paying off any loan(s) outstanding, so there’d only be assets to split up.

  124. GAR – It’s mentioned in Joe Hosey’s book, Fatal Vows, as told by Sharon. Otherwise, I’m not sure how easy it is to find online anymore, since it’s something that was reported early, and you know how information gets buried.

  125. givarat :
    Ok thanks. Where can I find this story?

    Here it is, Givarat.
    http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/1149189,CST-NWS-fatalvows07.stng

    Peterson then complained of Stacy looting their safe and going on a spending spree. He said she took $25,000 from their safe at home, Bychowski said, but Stacy had told Bychowski the week before that she had transferred $25,000 to pay off a home-equity line of credit so they would only have to divide up assets and not liabilities. “But he doesn’t know that I know that,” Bychowski said. “So I just said, ‘Oh.’ “

  126. I stand corrected. 25k, not 20k. How could I forget? $25,ooo seems to be one of the recurring elements of this story. Stacy moved $25,000, Drew said he’d had $25k in cash in his safe, $25k reward is “offered” by Drew for the impossible discovery of a live and well Stacy, and we latterly learn that $25k is what Drew has been alleged to have offered for the murder of Kitty.

  127. I thought this was interesting also. Christina Raines ex says Chrissy, and Drew have been “friendly for years”. I wonder just how long he might of been messing around with Chrissy that nobody knew about. After all, his M.O. is having someone else lined up before the divorce is even filed, or finalized with the previous wife. I wonder just how much this Chrissy really knows? Did he tell her something, just like he told Stacy about Kathleen?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson-19-dec19,0,4394385.story

    Raines’ former boyfriend of five years, Tony Yauk, said he saw a ring on her finger, and he knows Raines and Peterson have been friendly for years.

    “I didn’t think it was true,” said Yauk, 26, the father of her two children, ages 4 and 5. “But I just got done talking to her face to face and I think it’s true.”

  128. “Dispatched to the above for signs of life, upon arrival met by PD officer stated response for well being check.”
    [from the ambulance report]

    Can you explain it me, please? I have a llinguistic problem here (seriously!). Does it mean that Drew told the paramedic he had felt the pulse?

  129. facsmiley :
    One problem I have with the idea of Drew hiring someone to kill Kathy is that, according to Neil Schori, Stacy said “He did it. He killed Kathleen.”
    I don’t know why Drew would confess to her that he in fact did it, if technically he could distance himself from the crime.
    *****
    Facs – I think there are a couple reasons our cowardly narcissist would tell such a stupid lie as confessing to a murder he didn’t physically commit if, indeed, he didn’t. For one thing, it would not only scare the crap out of Stacy, but also make her fear him even more. Second, what a big, bad, macho thing – I think he’d love the very sound of the words.

  130. Cyrhla – The emergency responders were dispatched to Kathleen’s house at the direction of the 911 dispatcher. What they were told by the dispatcher, exactly, is unknown, other than probably being told they were going to a home where a well-being check was made (meaning, to see if Kathleen was okay, since no one was able to reach her by phone or otherwise), and the dispatcher sent the paramedic crew to officially check for signs of life.

  131. Why in the world did Peterson even need to set up such an elaborate scheme to have Kathleen discovered the way he did? I don’t get the logic of it all. Whether he killed her or gave the word, why not just let her be discovered without him being present? He could have simply put in a call to the dispatch center and have her discovered by initial responders. Even if he accompanied the emergency personnel to the house and waited outside as he did, why the scheme of setting up poor Mary P. to find Kathleen the way she did, along with Carcerano? The only reason I can see for him doing this is so that he had one last time to walk through (more like trample through) to make sure nothing looked unusual that would stand out as being odd. Otherwise, he either merely had to radio in a call to the BB P.D. to send a car there, or call 911, like anyone else would do. He had to have a reason for doing it the way he did.

  132. rescueapet :
    Cyrhla – The emergency responders were dispatched to Kathleen’s house at the direction of the 911 dispatcher. What they were told by the dispatcher, exactly, is unknown, other than probably being told they were going to a home where a well-being check was made (meaning, to see if Kathleen was okay, since no one was able to reach her by phone or otherwise), and the dispatcher sent the paramedic crew to officially check for signs of life.

    I thought the report was wrtitten by a person who actually was at the scene, met Drew and was told by him Kathleen ‘responded’ (positively) to the well-being check before his (paramedic’s arrival).

    I think this excerpt mislead me a little bit (or rather the comments made) and that I have always tought ‘well-being’ check means checking pulse:

    [from Greta]
    Report: “Dispatched to the above for signs of life, upon arrival met by PD officer stated response for well being check, (Steph: “that’s interesting”) and found the patient unresponsive in the tub. Heard PD and neighbors last seen Saturday evening. On assessment, found patient on left side in bathtub with wet hair and molting and pooling to the right shoulder and left elbow. Blood dried and coagulated on bottom of tub. Patient cold to touch. Placed on EEG on ???.” (Steph: “Baden’s looking at that.”) And it’s got, “turned over to PD”, that PD officer would have been Drew Peterson because at that time there was no police there and the well being check doesn’t go with the story we’ve told. He [Baden] also thought it was interesting that there was dried and coagulated blood in the bottom of the tub so Dr. Baden has a copy of this and he’s looking over that now and he’s going to talk about it on the show tonight. I’m working on getting the crime scene photos to Baden because he would like to look at them for his final report on his autopsy that he did for the family.”

    Thanks for the explanation, rescue.

  133. I wouldn’t put much stock into what Steph Watts says. He’s so into himself and trying to portray himself as the reason that Kathleen’s case was reopened, his head is almost as big as Drew Peterson’s is when it comes to wanting to shine in the limelight.

    This guy loves to hear himself talk.

  134. See – didn’t you just know that the defense has been making noise lately, knowing full well they were looking for attention!

    Nov 16, 2009 3:37 pm US/Central

    Peterson Lawyer: Prosecutors Withholding Evidence

    Defense Lawyer Joel Brodsky Says In A Filing That He Requested Information About Police Interviews
    Reporting – Mike Puccinelli

    Where are hundreds of pages of key evidence in the pending Drew Peterson murder trial?

    That’s what his defense attorneys want to know.

    CBS 2 has learned that Peterson’s attorneys are asking the judge to throw out the case.

    It’s the latest salvo fired by Drew Peterson’s defense team, a three-page motion asks the judge to sanction the prosecution because of what the defense calls the state’s failure to produce police interview and field notes.

    “You have to comply with the discovery rules,” CBS 2 legal analyst Irv Miller said. “You have to turn over police reports, you have to turn over notes, and there’s pretty stiff sanctions if you don’t.”

    Defense attorney Joel Brodsky declined to be interviewed. But in his filing, he writes that Peterson filed a motion for discovery six months ago. The motion specifically asked for “the disclosure of any written or recorded memoranda containing the substance of oral statements.” Brodsky says those handwritten notes have not been handed over.

    He formally requested them last month.

    “It’s pretty significant because any time you have a significant discovery violation, that is one good reason not only for the judge to throw out the indictment before trial, but it’s a very good reason for the appellate court to throw out the conviction after trial,” Miller said.

    There are more than 800 names on the Peterson trial witness list. Tens of thousands of pages of discovery documents have been turned over to the defense team, so Miller says it’s conceivable that the documents weren’t turned over because of simple human error.

    “An error in communication, that’s one thing,” he said. “But if it’s an intentional act of ‘Listen, we’re not turning this over,’ that’s a big problem for the prosecution.”

    Ultimately, Miller says, it would be up to the judge to decide.

    A spokesman for the Will County State’s Attorney declined to go on camera but said, “We’ll comply with all discovery requirements as prescribed by the court and the Supreme Court rules.”

    Sources tell CBS 2 that prosecutors say the defense team has also failed to produce all of its discovery documents.

    (© MMIX, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)

    http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/Peterson.Joel.Brodsky.2.1316020.html

    Video Link @ CBS

  135. rescueapet :
    Why in the world did Peterson even need to set up such an elaborate scheme to have Kathleen discovered the way he did? I don’t get the logic of it all. Whether he killed her or gave the word, why not just let her be discovered without him being present? He could have simply put in a call to the dispatch center and have her discovered by initial responders. Even if he accompanied the emergency personnel to the house and waited outside as he did, why the scheme of setting up poor Mary P. to find Kathleen the way she did, along with Carcerano? The only reason I can see for him doing this is so that he had one last time to walk through (more like trample through) to make sure nothing looked unusual that would stand out as being odd. Otherwise, he either merely had to radio in a call to the BB P.D. to send a car there, or call 911, like anyone else would do. He had to have a reason for doing it the way he did.

    I have a theory on that. Perhaps he did it the way he did to add to his alibi that he couldn’t get into the house by himself.

  136. I don’t have a theory on that, just a gut… DP is such a total control fiend that he couldn’t have NOT been on the scene. He wanted to orchestrate personally as much as he possibly could.

  137. Givarat said: I have a theory on that. Perhaps he did it the way he did to add to his alibi that he couldn’t get into the house by himself.

    But if he was so innocent and had nothing to do with her death, what I’m saying is there was no need for him to be the one to get into the house, no matter how he did it. All he needed to do was put in a call, as either a private citizen asking that his ex-wife’s lack of response be treated as a well-being check, or put in an official call over the police radio that his ex-wife was not responding to queries. There simply was no reason for him to do it the way he did, especially when he’s whining that she would have accused him of something sinister if he’d have entered the house. He should have stayed completely out of it, which is not what he did.

    That’s telling. My thinking is he needed one last walk through to make sure he covered his tracks completely.

  138. Perhaps your right.I was also running that through my head some more. Maybe he tried to stay out of it the best he could until the kids were probably getting worried also and bugging him to do something. Maybe he did need that one last walk through.But my question is then why didn’t he do that Sunday night? Kathy’s boyfriend could of chose to do call the authorities also by then or do a well being check.

  139. Here is the actual title of the motion. Legal expertise in action!

    “Defendant’s motion to for discovery sanctions for state’s failure to produce police interview and field notes.”

  140. On the comment part that is they will eventually talk. But it’s strange you can’t find the motion Rescue. If Brodsky hasn’t received discovery yet, the trial hasn’t started yet, so the prosecution hasn’t committed a major offense yet, as to warrant a mistrial yet.

  141. Maybe they are trying to get a repeat of what happened with the weapons charges.

    Remember, the defense was going after a “vindictive prosecution” theory and the judge granted their motion for discovery documents (including communications between state police and prosecutors) so the defense could pursue it. The state refused to comply so the judge dismissed the case rather than hold the state’s attorney in contempt.

    In this case though, they are asking for “police interviews and field notes”–not privileged information, so I’m sure the state will comply at some point just as the video indicates.

    To me this shows not only desperation but also a lack of imagination on the part of the defense.

  142. If the defense needs it to turn up dirt on the State witnesses, so be it. It is what it is. The defense has enough of its own witness problems and credibility problems. There’s so much controversial stuff said by Peterson and Brodsky on the web, down to hawking chicken wings, I can’t imagine a two-count murder charge hinges on this. Besides, let’s hear more, then, about what the defense hasn’t yet turned over before any conclusions are drawn.

    Enough of the bull crap. Was he able to sneak around, get in Kathleen’s house, murder her, clean up, and get away with it or not? That’s all I want to know.

  143. CBS 2 has learned that Peterson’s attorneys are asking the judge to throw out the case.

    How was it that CBS 2 was lucky enough to “learn” about this, even seeing the motion? Sure wouldn’t have come from the State, heh?

    Ohhhhhhhhhh, I see.

  144. Facs and Rescue, Thank you both … you earned it!

    ****************

    Is there a document or link to the source for this:

    “Hearsay evidence to be aired at minitrial hearing January 19”

  145. Was just watching this clip of DP and JB being interviewed to promote Armstrong’s book. It’s very interesting to watch his body language while he blatantly lies.

    News Anchor: “Did you seek to have this book written?”

    Peterson:We were approached by Mr. Armstrong and I guess he was doing an independent investigation on what was taking place and being a Canadian author I didn’t think he was as influenced by the American media so I agreed to do it for him.”

    Video Source

    We now know without a doubt that the Scheme Team was shopping an opportunity to co-author a book, with Drew, from Drew’s perspective and that is how they ended up writing a book with Armstrong. These statements should remove any remaining doubt:

    From Drew’s own PR firm:

    “Brodsky also points out that the author Ward has found to tell her story backed out of a signed deal to write a book from his perspective.”

    Author, Ann Rule put it plainly:

    “He had his publicist call me and ask me to write a book about his innocence,” says Rule. “I thought, no, I don’t think so. How could I possibly write a book about his innocence? I think he’s guilty.”

    And author M. William Phelps said:

    “…he wanted to, and here’s the big one… he told me they wanted, they wanted to come out and lay the first, the wife who was murdered on the second wife who is missing. They want to put that on her saying she did it.”

    But watch the video. It’s the very first question. Now we know what Peterson looks like while he’s lying.

  146. judgin :

    Is there a document or link to the source for this:

    “Hearsay evidence to be aired at minitrial hearing January 19″

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/wgn-peterson-hearsay-case-oct09,0,2842507.story

    CHICAGO – A hearing to decide whether statements that Drew Peterson’s slain third wife and missing fourth wife allegedly made to family, friends, prosecutors and a pastor could be admitted into evidence in the former Bolingbrook police sergeant’s first-degree murder trial has been set for Jan. 19.

  147. Prosecutors admit error, turn over notes to Peterson lawyers

    November 17, 2009 12:14 PM |

    Acknowledging an “oversight” was made, prosecutors in the Drew Peterson murder case are handing over to defense attorneys handwritten field notes made by police during their investigation.

    In January, a judge will determine whether comments typically considered hearsay can be used at a trial for Peterson, who is accused of slaying his third wife, Kathleen Savio.

    On Monday, Peterson’s defense attorneys filed a motion seeking sanctions against prosecutors for failing to turn over the handwritten notes.

    Joel Brodsky said they noticed the notes were missing about a month ago. Prosecutors previously turned over typewritten police reports.

    The handwritten notes are being scanned and will be turned over to defense attorneys by Wednesday, said Charles Pelkie, a Will county state’s attorney’s spokesman.

    “This was an oversight,” he said.

    — Steve Schmadeke

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/11/prosecutors-admit-error-turn-over-notes-to-peterson-lawyers.html

  148. givarat :
    Perhaps your right.I was also running that through my head some more. Maybe he tried to stay out of it the best he could until the kids were probably getting worried also and bugging him to do something. Maybe he did need that one last walk through.But my question is then why didn’t he do that Sunday night? Kathy’s boyfriend could of chose to do call the authorities also by then or do a well being check.

    Kathy’s boyfriend last talked to her Saturday night at midnight into Sunday at 12:30 am. It is said they talked for about a half hour. He didn’t think anything was wrong to do a well being check as he spoke to her that night and she was fine. They found Kathleen that night. He was there on the scene however. I am not sure exactly how he found out about it. But Drew had no business taking it upon himself to call a locksmith and go in there. He should of called the department right away, and told them what was going on. Another officer should of been present, and went in there not Drew! He wanted to be the first one on the scene and he knows why! Also, it is said that he was walking around the scene and was in the room by himself alone for a bit. So ya know what I believe he was making sure he covered his tracks, and all his ducks were in a row.

  149. Questions, they found Kathleen’s body on Monday night (March 1) about 9pm.
    Steve M last talked to K the night of Saturday/early morning Sunday, Feb 28/29 (somewhere between midnight – 1am)

    Givarat is talking about my theory (just throwing it out there) that Drew had someone else kill K and then went back himself to check the scene/clean up. At issue is if K died the early hours of Sunday morning, how could Drew wait until Sunday night to do his walk through? Wouldn’t he worry that Steve might show up to see Kathleen at some time during the day on Sunday? It’s all pretty convoluted but we’re just exploring lots of possibilities since the time of death is not written in stone and it is not clear whether it was Saturday or Sunday night that Drew was missing and later came home and did the laundry (even the wrongful death suit omits February 29th because they apparently forgot it was a leap year).

    I actually went back and changed my theory to have the killing and clean up done by the hit man (during one visit early Sunday morning, or even later when the family was at the Shedd Aquarim) and that Drew snuck out Sunday night just to retrieve the cothing and get a report from the hit man. In that scenario Drew never even enters Kathleen’s house and thus aces the polygraph questions about him seeing or harming Kathleen.

    Confused yet?

    Absolutely agree that Drew had no business walking into that scene, or sending in neighbors if he suspected something bad had occurred. The visit is described later as a “well being” check which puts an official spin on his stopping by (while on duty). If that was the case, why did he not call it in and/or receive officer backup? All VERY strange.

  150. Yea I agree it is all very strange. Does anyone know if it is reported when the kids were actually do back at Kathleens? I know my friend is divorced and they go through this visitation thing. They usually keep in contact with their dad when they are at moms. So I wonder if they weren’t trying to call her on Sunday and getting no answer. If they have keys and alarm codes also they could of maybe let Drew use them. Also usually boyfriends keep in touch with girlfriends daily. I would of became suspicious if she couldn’t be reached all day Sunday or didn’t call me. There’s a theory on Acandyrose that is interesting also. Which made me believe that the neighbor may be a key witness in this.

  151. Even the hard-to-read version of LE’s handwritten notes have to be easier to read than the typewritten motions the Scheme Team puts out.

    Per Facs’ screen capture of the motion filed (CBS 2 video):

    “Defendant’s motion to for discovery sanctions for state’s failure to produce police interview and field notes.”

  152. I’m sure the typed notes are easier to read but I can see a defense team wanting the written notes in case there was an oversight and something that could help Drew’s defense could have been left off the “official” notes.

  153. Well, I’m waiting to hear if the State filed a motion to sanction the Scheme Team for yappin’ it up every time they file a motion, including letting on to the media that they filed this latest motion. Whenever they make a move they continue to get their pusses on tv, and criticize the State’s case with their digs.

    Also, that piece DID say that the defense hasn’t turned over all of their discovery either. What’s up with that????

  154. Oh – I’mwith yuo Facs. But the defense is going to ask for dismissal every chance they can in this case (and others like the Casey Anthony case) for certain. The sad truth is that many cases get tossed on technicalities even when there is no question about the person’s guilt.

  155. Doesn’t it usually favor the prosecution when things keep going public? I think they like when the defendent runs their mouth. I don’t know what kind of discovery that the defense has to give. I must have watched too much Perry Mason when I was a kid because I didn’t think the defense ever had to show their cards to the prosecutors. They always brought in surprise witnesses or evidence…

  156. I’m sure the prosecution will do whatever is needed to make sure their hard work on this case doesn’t go to waste. They may have been stalling intentionally or, as they said, it was just an oversight but of course they complied when asked.

    BTW, I wonder what discovery it is that the defense has yet to turn over?

  157. I think, from what I know, the defense is looking for anything in the handwritten notes that might be exculpatory. Maybe something a witness said that was written down, but not necessarily included in the typewritten notes.

    I really don’t think the State has to turn over notes that have to due with trial preparation. That’s considered work product, and to my knowledge, work product notes do not get turned over.

  158. When will I learn? It always comes back to money…

    DISCOVERY SANCTIONS – Punishment for failure to obey discovery rules. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure “Rule 37. Failure to Make Disclosure or Cooperate in Discovery: Sanctions

    . . .

    (4) Expenses and Sanctions.

    (A) If the motion is granted or if the disclosure or requested discovery is provided after the motion was filed, the court shall, after affording an opportunity to be heard, require the party or deponent whose conduct necessitated the motion or the party or attorney advising such conduct or both of them to pay to the moving party the reasonable expenses incurred in making the motion, including attorney’s fees, unless the court finds that the motion was filed without the movant’s first making a good faith effort to obtain the disclosure or discovery without court action, or that the opposing party’s nondisclosure, response, or objection was substantially justified, or that other circumstances make an award of expenses unjust.

    http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s113.htm

    And of course, I am not being completely serious here, just as I was not when taking a jab about the “hard-to-read” version of the field notes.

  159. givarat :
    40,000 pages of evidence wow. Like he doesn’t have enough to read already.

    In the near future, he will have to look for a storage facility or ask Drew for the keys to his empty house.

  160. You know one thing I don’t get also is he’s so concerned about saving us tax payers money, then hes going to turn around and fine the state for not turning over discovery which then costs us tax payers anyway. Your right Rescue that you can’t read his crap anyway so it’s perfectly understandable why they overlooked it. They gave him typewritten copies and he wants the original notes themselves. Unreal. Just remember though the defense has lost their right to a speedy trial.

  161. Smelly old gamesmanship. They noticed the handwritten originals were missing a month ago, but didn’t file and make a fuss until now…..?

  162. bucketoftea :

    Smelly old gamesmanship. They noticed the handwritten originals were missing a month ago, but didn’t file and make a fuss until now…..?

    Apparently, they did ask the prosecution for them a month ago, but still didn’t have them.

  163. Video here as well:

    JOLIET, Ill. – Prosecutors in Drew Peterson’s murder case will give Peterson’s lawyer some important police notes, to help him prepare for trial. Peterson is charged with killing his third wife, Kathleen Savio.

    Monday, Peterson’s lawyer demanded the handwritten notes of police field investigators. The Will County State’s Attorney’s office says, he’ll get them today; and it says, not turning them over, was just an oversight.

    Until now, defense attorneys have been given only finalized typewritten reports. The defense hopes to find something in the field notes that may exonerate Peterson, or at least give the defense a reason to ask for a mistrial.

    http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-peterson-to-get-police-records-nov18,0,6409094.story

  164. Maybe they’ll find the part in those handwritten notes where the detective asked Raines out on a date. Dinner and a movie. Maybe he wrote down which movie he wanted to take her to, and what he hoped they’d order for dinner to get her in the mood.

  165. Glenn Selig wants to make sure they get some coverage. From Twitter:

    PublicityAgency: Drew Peterson v. Chase hearing @ 930a in Chicago over HELOC…

    U. S. District Court
    219 S. Dearborn St., Chicago, IL 60604

  166. “Anyone else notice that the defense team seems to get a lot of air time despite Judge White’s gag order?”

    – – –
    What does the Scheme Team have to lose? Jail for Contempt? Fines? Disbarment? They will still go thru a murder “Trial!”

    The Prosecutor can get their case thrown out if they defy the Judge’s Order.

  167. What else does the Scheme Team have? They have no defense, they’re under a gag order, and they have a loser for a client.

    They file motions that are so grammatically inefficient so as to look like fools, but they leak them to a news organization to get attention. Sound familiar? Maybe in their silly minds they think they’re in the game, but I think that anyone, other than the Scheme Team, that holds a law degree knows better. Hell, even laypeople can figure this one out. Remember, Robert Blake is Ben Dover’s idol, so he’s counting on his white noise to win the day.

  168. BTW, it doesn’t take rocket science to figure out that the Scheme Team is behind this latest stunt.

    The rest of us hope our tax dollars are being put to good use (since Maksym claims the State’s resources come from our tax dollars), and the prosecutors bring this latest attempt of theirs to skirt the gag order to Judge White’s attention.

    I know I’ll be waiting to hear that they did.

  169. Rescue, I couldn’t agree with you more!

    My comments @ #224 refer to what it appears to me that the Scheme Team is doing. After seeing all the shenanigans pulled off by the Scheme Team, I can believe JB is saying, “Yeah, so what can they do to us for working for our client.”

    IMO, They live and operate under a different and ‘much lower’ set of ethics and morals than I do.

  170. In the Channel 2 news report, it specifically says:

    Sources tell CBS 2 that prosecutors say the defense team has also failed to produce all of its discovery documents.

    Now, why bring attention to filing a hideous titled motion in public by leaking it to CBS, when, in fact, the Scheme Team has failed to turn over all of their discovery? It defies logic. It makes no sense. They’re pointing fingers at the State for oversights they, too, according to the State, are involved in.

    Are they just completely incompetent? Are they going out of their way to piss off the Judge? Is their defense case so in the toilet that they’re just going through the checklist of ridiculous ways to file motions just to get attention?

  171. It’s bad enough that Sir Assalot is his own worst enemy, let alone having his Scheme Team help sink him in the muck. Maybe they should just STFU and get on with the job of working on getting it right in the courtroom, instead of eeking out poorly written motions in the press for our entertainment pleasure.

    Good luck with that!

  172. I wonder which actor would embarrass himself to portray JB in their upcoming anticipated ‘Story of DP, the jokester, the clown, the fool, the multi-murderer’

  173. If the Scheme Team is trying to give DP a reason for a mistrial based upon incompetent counsel, I don’t think all that tv, radio and video tapes would support the claim. All these actions appear to me to be deliberate with the intention of Obstructing Justice, a Felony? All those attorneys??? appear to be a part of the whole messy scheme. How many good clients are they passing over for this opportunity of defending an idiot?

  174. Mistrial. Hmmmm.

    Well, he’s got a whole barrel full of problems beyond a mistrial. He’s got the Savio civil case, the probate mess, and last, but absolutely not least, Stacy Peterson’s disappearance and presumed murder to contend with. His greed worked so against him, that he’s probably close to being penniless by now. Hope he enjoyed his fifteen minutes of fame, cuz he’s sure nothin’ now.

    For the hearsay hearing, the State, I believe, must show that Stacy was silenced to prevent her from exposing Peterson in Kathleen’s death, so it would appear they have her fate pretty much figured out. I’d say he probably needs a big dose of his best bud therapist, Dan Budenz, to get him through his pitiful days.

    The Special GJ was very busy with this guy for eighteen months, and I don’t think they lost a moment in time setting out to make things right. I don’t think he’ll be slipping out of this mess anytime soon.

  175. Just a reminder: We are still waiting for the Appellate Court decision …
    – – –
    Drew Peterson Legal Team Files Final Brief to Illinois Appellate Court in State’s Appeal of Gun Charge Dismissal

    Illinois Appeals Court can decide at any time.

    (PRNewsChannel) / October 19, 2009 / Ottawa, Ill. / Drew Peterson’s legal team led by Joel A. Brodsky, Andrew Abood and Reem Odeh filed the final brief in the state’s appeal of felony weapons charges dismissed against the retired Bolingbrook police detective setting the stage for the court to render a decision at any time.

    In November of 2008 a Will County, Ill. judge dismissed gun charges filed against Peterson.

    After the dismissal, the Will County State’s Attorney appealed to the Illinois Appellate Court.

    With the final brief from Peterson’s legal team, the matter is now pending with the Illinois Appellate Court.

    All the briefs are available for viewing or downloading at http://brodskyodeh.com/drewpetersondocuments.jsp and http://www.drewpetersondocuments.com.

    To receive media updates on the Drew Peterson case, please visit http://thepublicityagency.com/client-news-alerts.htm

    Media Contact:
    Glenn Selig
    PR Firm: The Publicity Agency
    Phone: (813) 708-1220
    Email: glenn@thepublicityagency.com
    Source: brodskyodeh.com

    This press release was sent by the press release distribution service PRNewsChannel. Follow on Twitter, Friend on Facebook, Connect on Linkedin.

    – – –

    IF, the Appellate decides FOR the State, would the gun chargs be enugh to revoke or take away the $6,000+ monthly pension DP receives?

  176. We were hoping to have some information about today’s hearing of Peterson v. Chase, but neither Joe Hosey nor Steve Schmadeke were at the hearing. Steve Schmadeke said he was aware of this being a hearing on Chase’s motion for more time to respond. He’ll link the story if they file one tomorrow.

  177. rescueapet :We were hoping to have some information about today’s hearing of Peterson v. Chase, but neither Joe Hosey nor Steve Schmadeke were at the hearing. Steve Schmadeke said he was aware of this being a hearing on Chase’s motion for more time to respond. He’ll link the story if they file one tomorrow.

    **********************************
    IMO, Chase has no reason to rush this case to a Decision … they have their money safe from risk of DP’s eventual default. Delay, delay, delay is in the bank’s best interest just like DP is doing in these murder pretrial hearings.

    BTW, several months ago almost all lenders froze their HELOC loans for even their biggest and best customers.

  178. facsmiley :
    Good question, Judgin. I’ve heard the defense say that even a conviction for the murder of Kathleen wouldn’t be enough to take away his pension. WTF?

    Well when it comes to pension or SSI you can’t really touch it. Except the state can decide to take away the SSI and if his pension is under question by the IRS or really extreme circumstances, then it can be touched. Drew is getting the SSI to take care of the kids basically. His office could of pressed the pension debate when they were trying to take it away in the first place and could of stopped it before he got it. They seemed to have wimped out on that one. Now there’s just too much red tape to go through I think to have it taken away now. Of course all his other possessions will be gone and the kids will inherit his pension. He will be watching himself being put to death as they slowly inject him with poisons.

  179. judgin :
    I wonder which actor would embarrass himself to portray JB in their upcoming anticipated ‘Story of DP, the jokester, the clown, the fool, the multi-murderer’

    Robert Blake springs to mind 😉

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  181. Budenz is still inserting Drew’s name into his “articles” to make sure they get Google hits. I’d link to the latest one, but the paragraph is so full of errors and old news that I’d rather just leave it at that. It’s out there if you care to do a search.

  182. You’re right about the recent Budenz post, Facs. Reading that is a precious waste of minutes we can never get back. Perhaps Peterson’s friend, Budenz, should seek out counseling himself for his excessive idle prattle addiction. Reading it is about as boring as watching paint dry on a wall. The only one that it means anything to is the dude writing it.

  183. Just a reminder that 11/24 is on the court docket for Peterson, and maybe the defense motion regarding the discovery will be coming up. If that’s the case, I assume we’ll be hearing the usual defense noise.

  184. Let’s pray this is one of our missing and they will be able to rest in peace!

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1898369,skeletal-remains-niles-112209.article

    Skeletal remains found in north suburban woods

    November 22, 2009

    Sun-Times Media Wire
    Forest preserve workers in Niles discovered human remains Saturday afternoon in a wooded area of the north suburb.
    In the early afternoon, workers at Bunker Hill Woods, near Harts Road and Touhy Avenue, found a sleeping bag that contained “badly decomposed” skeletal remains, Cook County Forest Preserve District police spokesman Steve Mayberry said.

    Due to decomposition, the age and gender of the remains were “impossible” to determine upon discovery, Mayberry said.

    The Cook County Medical Examiner’s office responded to the scene and will work to identify the remains and determine the person’s cause of death, Mayberry said.

    An autopsy is scheduled for Sunday.

  185. As am I, but just thinking how miserable the man is in his surroundings is good too. Maybe he’s had enough time alone to imagine what his four children had to endure losing their mothers, no matter how he wants us to think they died.

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