Drew Peterson hearsay hearings – Day 6


RECAP:  Pastor Neil Schori testifies – Defense argues that conversations were privileged.

…But arguments over whether his conversations with the accused wife killer and missing mom Stacy are privileged kept him from testifying.

Judge Stephen White closed the courtroom and heard what Schori had to say about his interaction with Drew and Stacy Peterson. Schori will return to the witness stand Wednesday but it is not known if he will testify in open court.

Drew Peterson’s attorneys questioned whether Schori would be violating his privilege as a clergyman if he repeated what Stacy and Drew Peterson told him while he was providing counseling. The couple went to Schori to try to save their failing marriage.

Updates will be posted as they happen. Watch this space and the comments thread.

Source: Bolingbrok Sun

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116 thoughts on “Drew Peterson hearsay hearings – Day 6

  1. Brodsky has been noting in out-of-court interviews that the witnesses’ testimony in the present hearings should be taken with a grain of salt. He seems to base that on the premise that the witnesses who testified that Stacy told them that she wanted out of her marriage, and that she was afraid Drew would kill her, didn’t come forward before, and it’s awful convenient that they’re doing so now.

    What is odd about his commentary is that Sharon DID testify that she told Stacy to write things down when she talked to Stacy around the time she had packed up his belongings in boxes, and told Sharon that she was afraid. She’s missing and we’re being led to believe she is dead.

    But, on the other hand, Kathleen Savio did everything she could to be heard. Told friends, co-workers, family the same thing–that she was afraid of Drew and he was going to kill her. She wrote letters to law enforcement officials, and sent copies to her divorce lawyer. She kept a journal, I believe. Yet, her ex-husband told people that she was crazy, sick, mental. She’s dead.

    Mr Brodsky – oh, shut up.

  2. … and go to prison for the allegation of a police officer.
    No hard evidence needed then? No records? No fingerprints?
    What a change of heart by Brodsky!

  3. Drew’s back, but there’s no funny business No laughs, just mind-boggling, chilling revelations at hearing

    January 27, 2010

    BY RICHARD ROEPER Sun-Times Columnist

    That Drew Peterson, what a character. He’s given us such great material!

    Remember when Peterson called Steve Dahl’s radio show and there was talk of a “Win a Date With Drew” contest? Wacky!

    Then there was the time when Peterson called in to the “Mancow and Cassidy” radio show and talked about a “Win a Conjugal Visit With Drew” contest and cracked jokes, e.g., “I didn’t understand why they had seat belts on the toilet until after I had a couple of meals here.”

    What a comic master.

    And who can forget when Nevada brothel owner Dennis “Cathouse” Hof said he was thinking of hiring Peterson. (HBO had no sense of humor about that, saying it would cancel “Cathouse” before allowing Peterson to appear on the show.)

    And let’s not forget Peterson’s brief engagement to a 23-year-old woman. As the ever-entertaining Drew joked to a female reporter for the Tribune, “You kept putting me off. What else could I do?”

    Ah, that Drew. He’s just incorrigible.

    Even after Peterson was charged with killing his third wife, Kathleen Savio, and was brought to court in chains and a prison jumpsuit, he was media-friendly, cracking, “Three squares a day and this spiffy outfit. Look at this bling.”

    Man, O.J. was never this entertaining back in the day, you know what I’m saying?
    Funny how?

    I’m not saying the media ever forgot why Drew Peterson was in the news. That was never the case. But we did get a lot of comedic mileage out of Peterson’s antics.

    Now Peterson’s back on the front page, as we learn about chilling testimony from witnesses at the hearsay evidentiary hearing, e.g., one of Kathleen Savio’s former co-workers telling of Savio having a bruised arm and saying Peterson had held a knife to her throat and threatened to kill her on the spot, “but it would be too bloody.”

    On Tuesday, Stacy Peterson’s aunt testified that Drew once bragged he could kill someone “and make it look like an accident.”

    There’s also the mind-boggling revelations about the original investigation of Savio’s death. The now-retired Illinois State Police sergeant who led the investigation allowed Peterson to sit in on an interview with Peterson’s fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, who of course is now missing. He collected no forensics, not even fingerprints. He never interviewed Savio’s relatives. He didn’t seal the house when he left the scene.

    The 2004 case was the first homicide investigation for the 20-year police vet who had spent most of his career investigating narcotics and gambling-related crimes. OK, so he had never investigated a possible homicide. But all due respect to the man, even if he had watched the TV show “Homicide,” you’d think he’d know enough to perform some basic tasks that might raise questions about whether this was an accidental death in a bathtub.

    Drew Peterson hasn’t been convicted of anything yet. Maybe he’s just really, really unlucky in love, and his third wife really died in a tragic accident and his fourth wife really has pulled off an amazing disappearing act, leaving her children behind. Maybe. What do you think?

    In the meantime, other than the anecdote about Peterson’s glory-hound attorney handing out pens to reporters in a lame attempt at . . . whatever, there’s no sideshow aspect to the latest blitz of Peterson news. Maybe that’s because there isn’t a damn thing funny about any of this stuff…

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/2013296,CST-NWS-roep27.article

  4. I would love to hear from his cohort, who he said he consulted because the man had more homicide experience. He must have skipped the forensic classes, too, Cyrhla.

  5. You mean a bunch of truants, cheryljones? 😉

    I would also like to hear from Bob Deel.

    Anyway, the timeline for the begiining of the investigation was:

    – March 1, 2004 / 10:44 p.m. / the Bolingbrook’s 911 Dispatch Center received a call that KATHLEEN SAVIO had been found unresponsive in a bathtub in her home.

    – March 1, 2004 / 11:17 p.m. / the Will County Coroner’s Office arrived on the scene

    • March 2, 2004 / 12:01 a.m. / the assistance of the Illinois State Police was requested. Illinois State Police officers arrived at the scene and took over the investigation at 12:56 a.m. on March 2, 2004.
    ——

    BTW, I cannot wait for the news from the court.

  6. Since I was able to observe courtroom proceedings, it seems to me that the fact there hasn’t been any tweets or updates since court would have started at 9:30am makes me think that, in fact, Pastor Schori is testifying to SOMETHING. The reporters would have to leave and stay out if they wanted to send out information regarding the status of his testimony, since going in and out of Judge White’s courtroom wouldn’t be looked upon as favorable. They wait for breaks to get their updates out. A break might be coming up soon, so I would anticipate an update.

    JMO.

  7. I posted Fox video from this morning above. I don’t know if the shot of Schori is from this morning but I think it could be. But that mean he’s been allowed to testify – don’t know? IMO, he should be given the go ahead at these hearings. After all, this isn’t the actual trial, just a hearing to decide what will be allowed at the trial.

  8. Joel says something in this clip at 1:19 about Neil “peddling” his story, and says that he thinks it’s even in a book. Of course, he’s got to attempt to discredit the witness, but to the press..and with lies?

  9. Channel 9 news is reporting that Schori is not taking the stand today, and has postponed the testimony.

    Judge White has announced he has made a ruling, but did not publicly explain his ruling, or what part will be admissible about counseling session he had with Stacy Peterson.

    The Judge said Schori will be in court Friday to testify. So, something will be said.

    Brodsky says they are planning a “withering” cross examination.

    Brodsky still doing sound bites about his opinions of witnesses and testimony.

    Kathleen’s primary doctor took stand and discussed meds she was taking.

  10. “Brodsky says they are planning a “withering” cross examination.”

    Wasn’t he also planning to become rich & famous from this case, make a fortune on chicken wings and never see his client arrested? (feh, I say)

  11. Savio’s doctor testifies at Drew Peterson hearing

    Associated Press – January 27, 2010 12:44 PM ET

    JOLIET, Ill. (AP) – The doctor for Drew Peterson’s third wife, Kathleen Savio, has taken the witness stand at the former Bolingbrook police sergeant’s pre-trial hearing.

    The hearing concerns what hearsay evidence a judge will allow when Peterson stands trial in Savio’s death. Her body was found in a bathtub in 2004.

    Prosecutors questioned Dr. Vinod Motiani, who testified that there was nothing in Savio’s medical records that indicated she was prone to falling. But under questioning by defense attorneys, the doctor conceded that his records indicated Savio complained of dizziness and shortness of breath.

    Testimony from a minister had been scheduled for Wednesday but has been moved to Friday.

    http://www.wandtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11888620

  12. Hi ya coffee. Yes, and he did say his client would never be arrested, there was and is no blue barrel. It’s in print that he said he his client never saw Tom Morphey that day. He said he’d get the high bond reduced.

    He said a lot of things. Bah, bleh, meh, pffft.

    He’s always yappin’ about something.

  13. MIMS: On Thursday, the 1st of November, the Illinois State Police issued a search warrant there at the house. I was the one that was there. Drew was down at the police department giving a statement. They came with the search warrant and one thing that I remember it read was turn over all weapons. To make a long story short, later that night, after everything had calmed down, we were sitting in the living room. Drew reaches down into his pants leg. He pulls out a little folding gun and goes, Hey, they didn`t find this one, and he starts chuckling. And state police was unaware of that.

    And then I was called in Wednesday afternoon because on Wednesday, the 19th, Pat Callahan (ph) with the Illinois State Police said he retrieved Drew Peterson`s folding gun and needed me to come down to identify it. And I went down there and identified it.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/21/ng.01.html

  14. http://twitter.com/joehosey

    joehosey
    Glasgow is under a doctor’s care but expects to return Thursday.
    3 minutes ago from txt

    Also, Pastor Neil Schori’s testimony has been postponed until Friday due to State’s Attorney James Glasgow’s illness.
    4 minutes ago from txt

    Ex-boyfriends of trying to get with his “hot 23-year-old” wife.
    6 minutes ago from txt

    Drew also said he suspected Stacy was “screwing around on him,” Callahan testified. Drew accused a fellow officer and one of Stacy’s …
    7 minutes ago from txt

    Callahan said Drew repeatedly brought up the “great sex” he had with Stacy.
    10 minutes ago from txt

  15. Testimony: Peterson limited investigators when Stacy disappeared
    January 27, 2010 12:02 PM

    An Illinois State Police investigator took the stand at Drew Peterson’s evidentiary hearing this morning, describing how Peterson did and didn’t cooperate with police looking into the disappearance of his fourth wife, Stacy Peterson.

    Special Agent Patrick Callahan said Peterson only would allow one of three investigators into his Bolingbrook home on Oct. 29, 2007, the day Stacy was reported missing. Peterson insisted on accompanying that investigator, Callahan testified, wouldn’t allow him to open drawers and only allowed the investigator to verify that Stacy wasn’t there.

    Peterson also refused to sign a form allowing investigators to search his two vehicles, but did open the trunk of one them for police, he said. Peterson wouldn’t let police examine the other car at all, the one he said Stacy had said to him the night before in a telephone conversation she had taken to Clow Airport. In that call, Peterson told police, Stacy said she was tired of her life and wasn’t coming back.

    After receiving that call about 9:30 p.m. on the 28th, Peterson told police he drove around for a while, then walked to the nearby airport and retrieved Stacy’s car. He said he found the car unlocked with the keys on the floorboard.

    Callahan said Peterson several times bragged to investigators about his sex life with Stacy, even though he hadn’t be asked about that.

    Callahan will return to the stand after lunch, when he will be cross-examined by Peterson’s attorneys.

    Earlier in the morning, a physician who treated Kathleen Savio testified there was no medical reason that would explain why she might have slipped and fallen in a bathtub on the day she died in 2004…

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/judge-bars-public-media-from-peterson-hearing.html

  16. State police agent testifies at Peterson hearing

    Associated Press – January 27, 2010 2:04 PM ET

    JOLIET, Ill. (AP) -…State police special agent Patrick Callaghan testified Wednesday that from the outset of the investigation, Drew Peterson said he and Stacy Peterson had been having marital problems. Callaghan says Drew Peterson believed she left him for another man.

    Callaghan also noted that when Drew Peterson talked about his wife, it was in the past tense.

    http://www.wrex.com/Global/story.asp?S=11889079

  17. Really, Bucket? I guess I’d associate a ‘withering cross-examination’ with a competent lawyer, so no one on DP’s bench comes to mind. 😉

  18. Maybe JB will ‘wither’ himself when he overtaxes himself trying to appear to be a competent lawyer.

    All show, no go!

    Barking dogs got no bite 🙂

  19. The defense is so sure that the jury is being tainted by the news reports, tactically it might not be such a great idea to use “withering” tactics against that sweet soft-spoken Pastor. Talk about your bad PR…

  20. I want to remind anyone and everyone – if you get a chance, try and get to at least one hearing!

    They’re being held in Courtroom 314 and open to everyone. Just line up in the morning for security (doors open at 8:30). Seats filled up a little more after the lunch break, but there definitely were seats available in the morning.

    I know I will be going back – you never know when I’ll be there. Great way to get to know everyone who attends the hearings on a regular basis.

    I even suggested my husband go along with me, LOL, but, being a retired police officer himself, he said he’s seen enough courtrooms to last him a lifetime. 😉

  21. You can always measure the importance of a witness by Joels measure of insults and belittling.

    The more worked up he gets the more obvious it is the witness has vital information.

    Joel does a good job showing what information bothers the Defense !

  22. Thanks for the reminder Rescue. These are some pretty unique hearings and for anyone interested in the case, a great opportunity to see a part of the process.

  23. GAR – State’s Atty Glasgow is sick, and probably is the attorney who was to do the questioning. So, I assume they put off her testimony until he is able to do the questioning, just as Pastor Schori.

  24. Callahan said Peterson several times bragged to investigators about his sex life with Stacy, even though he hadn’t be asked about that.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Drew bragged about his sex life with Stacy, lets her run off with another man and isn’t bothered by any of it.

    As if that makes sense (!!)

  25. I was just rereading in Fatal Vows Scott Rosetto’s description of Drew when he came and sat down with him and Stacy at Denny’s and how he didn’t display any anger at all, just asked him how he would feel if his wife was out with another man.

    Evidently, he’s very good at controlling his emotions…outwardly. Well, except for the red face.

  26. If anyone is interested here are the PDFs of the original search warrants that were served at Drew’s house. Patrick Callaghan is named as the officer who filed the complaint:

  27. Of course, he bragged about his sex life with Stacy. She probably told him the same thing she told Sharon, which is having sex with him made her skin crawl. Bettcha that sent him into a major meltdown.

    Just sayin…

  28. Doc: Peterson’s 3rd wife wasn’t prone to falling
    By DON BABWIN | Associated Press

    Prosecutors on Wednesday began battling Drew Peterson’s attorneys over a crucial question a jury will have to answer at the former police officer’s upcoming trial whether his third wife’s death was murder or accidental.

    Called by prosecutors to testify, Kathleen Savio’s physician Dr. Vinod Motiani told the court there was nothing in Savio’s medical history to suggest she was prone to falling. He said he never treated Savio for dizziness or for injuries suffered in a fall.

    But Motiani did concede to defense attorneys that his records included at least one notation that Savio had complained about dizziness and numbness. He also read a note in his files from another physician that said “she feels very unsteady in her gait.”

    Peterson’s attorneys were expected to bring up Savio’s medical history and point out that she was taking a number of medications at the time she died and drank alcohol.

    Motiani’s testimony came during the sixth day of a hearing about what hearsay evidence Will County Judge Stephen White will allow at Peterson’s murder trial. The doctor’s testimony is particularly significant because Savio’s death was initially ruled an accidental drowning in 2004. It was only after the 2007 disappearance of Peterson’s fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, that Savio’s body was exhumed and her death was reclassified a homicide.

    Peterson, a 56-year-old former Bolingbrook police officer, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder in Savio’s death and is considered the only suspect in Stacy Peterson’s disappearance.

    Also called to testify Wednesday was Patrick Callaghan, an Illinois State Police special agent assigned to investigate Stacy Peterson’s disappearance. He said from the outset of the investigation, Drew Peterson said he and Stacy had been having marital problems and that he believed she left him for another man.

    Callaghan said Peterson told him Stacy Peterson called him the night she disappeared to say she’d left him. Callaghan also said Drew Peterson never said he was with his stepbrother Thomas Morphey that night.

    Morphey earlier testified that the night Stacy Peterson disappeared he helped Drew Peterson move a blue barrel he now believes contained her body.

    Callaghan also noted that when Peterson talked about his wife, he used the past tense.

    “He stated she was a hot 23-year-old girl,” Callaghan said. “He stated she was a good mother. Again, using ‘was,’ the past tense.”

    A minister who was scheduled to testify Wednesday will instead testify Friday.

    The hearing stems from a state law that allows a judge to admit hearsay evidence in first-degree murder cases if prosecutors can prove a defendant killed a witness to prevent him or her from testifying. The law was passed after authorities named Peterson a suspect in Stacy Peterson’s disappearance and after they began re-examining Savio’s death.

    http://www.newser.com/article/d9dgb9200/doctor-drew-petersons-3rd-wife-who-was-found-dead-in-bathtub-wasnt-prone-to-falling.html

  29. But Motiani did concede to defense attorneys that his records included at least one notation that Savio had complained about dizziness and numbness. He also read a note in his files from another physician that said “she feels very unsteady in her gait.”

    Was that after she was dragged into the house by Drew, and when she hit her head on the dining room table?

    IDK, if the defense concedes that she also complained of her fear of being killed by Drew, many files of which contain that fear, (her lawyer, the former state’s attorney’s office, Walter Jacobson), okay, then I’ll give this some thought.

    If the defense concedes that being married to Drew is hazardous to one’s health, okay, I’ll consider it.

  30. I’m interested in why they are pursuing the Rx/alcohol line since I’m pretty sure Kathleen’s autopsies found nothing in her system. Check out the very first page of the coroner’s report:

    Alcohol:
    Ethanol — negative
    Acetone — negative
    Isopropaanol — negative
    Methanol — negative

    And if they are trying to build a case that the slight thickening of her mitral valve could have caused her to actually pass out, that’s going to be pretty difficult too. That’s very rare even for people with a full-blown Mitral Valve Prolapse which Kathleen did not have..

  31. “Peterson wouldn’t let police examine the other car at all, the one he said Stacy had said to him the night before in a telephone conversation she had taken to Clow Airport.”

    Isn’t this the one that later a cadaver dog hit on? People who were out walking their dog on Apple Valley St., and saw a suspicious man in dark clothing and a car parked there that resembled Stacy’s car have testified about what they saw.

    Just speculation, but it would appear that at some point, Drew moved Stacy’s body from the blue barrel/container to the trunk of her car. His movements later that night, when Cass observed both cars gone from the Peterson driveway, but later, about 2:00AM on October 29th both cars were there, suggests that Drew may have used Stacy’s car to dispose of her body. The blue barrel/container may be a distraction. While everyone is looking for a blue barrel in a canel, Drew may have disposed of Stacy by burying her somewhere.

  32. With the brain concussion Kathleen probably suffered from after being hit over the table and on other occasions, I assume she could have had headaches and some neurological problems (add stress to it). But it did not cause bruises, abrasions and fingerprint marks on her body. Joel, ask Collins, I am sure he knows that (now).

  33. But Motiani did concede to defense attorneys that his records included at least one notation that Savio had complained about dizziness and numbness. He also read a note in his files from another physician that said “she feels very unsteady in her gait.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There’s no specific date attached to any of her dizzy spells and Katherine was married to Drew for 10 years, so is it fair to say she would have been dizzy or had a dizzy spell at some stage in 10 years without that being such a big deal.

  34. Channel 7 report:

    Dr of Kathleen testified. She was in good health until the day she was found dead in the bath tub. He testified he treated her for a variety of ailments. Based on the history, he concluded she was no more prone than a normal person to slip and fall in a tub.

    Brodsky said she was on 8 or 9 different medications. Pam Bosco said she’s not surprised by Brodsky’s statements. He’s just mudslinging, as usual.

    Patrick Callahan thought it was odd he referred to Stacy in the past tense.

    A past girlfriend of Peterson’s, a “Susan,” ran into him shortly after Kathleen Savio’s death. She asked him how the children were doing. He told her “they’ll be fine, she was crazy.”

    Stacy’s sister is expected to take the stand this week, and Neil Schori.

  35. A past girlfriend of Peterson’s, a “Susan,” ran into him shortly after Kathleen Savio’s death. She asked him how the children were doing. He told her “they’ll be fine, she was crazy.”

    Oh wow. Harsh.

  36. Brodsky said she was on 8 or 9 different medications. Pam Bosco said she’s not surprised by Brodsky’s statements. He’s just mudslinging, as usual.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yes she was full of drugs, that’s why the toxicology reports came up clean.

    Her death was an accident, because that’s what St. Collins’s investigation determined.

    And what investigation was that again ???

    LOL @ Brodsky !!

  37. justanotherhen :
    But Motiani did concede to defense attorneys that his records included at least one notation that Savio had complained about dizziness and numbness. He also read a note in his files from another physician that said “she feels very unsteady in her gait.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    There’s no specific date attached to any of her dizzy spells and Katherine was married to Drew for 10 years, so is it fair to say she would have been dizzy or had a dizzy spell at some stage in 10 years without that being such a big deal.

    —–
    I guess Brodsky’s information come from before 10 years, like the pictures of Tom Morphey.

  38. rescueapet :

    craig_wall
    court is done for the day. former lover of Drew Peterson
    says he told her he was on a street death squad

    2 minutes ago from API

    Street Death Squad !

    That will be interesting.

  39. (I wrote this at one time thinking I might make a main post of it. In light of the Doctor’s testimony today, it might be worth putting out there)

    A few weeks back Drew Peterson’s PR firm sent out a release stating that Peterson’s house was being made available to the highest bidder–preferably to a media outlet looking for a place to broadcast stories about the case. This announcement came just after Peterson filed a lawsuit against his mortgage lender, JP Morgan Chase, claiming that they had frozen his line of equity credit without merit.

    The explanation for this sudden need for cash? “If he doesn’t get the money and his assets are frozen he’ll have to petition the court to allow him to use tax money to be able to hire all these expensive expert witnesses,” said Walter Maksym, Peterson’s civil attorney.

    One such expert could be Glenn Larkin, M.D., retired forensic pathologist and consultant to The Other Victims Advocacy. I toss his name out there because he has in the past worked as an associate for the firm of Cyril Wecht, and because of his association with the President of that group, Tina Church. Tina Church makes her living as a private investigator for defense attorneys. Back in February of 2008 she did some work for Joel Brodsky, repeatedly calling Stacy Peterson’s cell phone number and jotting down the results of those calls.

    Joel Brodsky has already given us some indication of several directions the defense may take, and which could benefit from the testimony of an expert witness.

    First, they may try to show that Kathleen Savio had no drugs in her system but fainted due to a condition called mitral valve prolapse (which then caused her to hit her head and subsequenlty drown in her bathtub).

    In fact, her first autopsy did state “the valves and chordae tendinae are thin and delicate, except for mild thickening of the leaflets of the mitral valve.” She may have visited the doctor aftere she felt some symptoms like a racing or irregular heartbeat which can come with a condition called mitral valve prolapse.

    Joe Brodsky brought up the mitral valve thickening, which he called a “heart defect” in February of 2008 on the Nancy Grace show. He also tried to point to is as something that could cause fainting in an interview with Derek Amrstrong in “Drew Peterson Exposed” (a book co-authored with Peterson). Seeing as the toxicology report showed no drugs in Kathleen’s body at the time of her death, it would behoove the defense to get an expert forensic witness on the stand to testify that “mild thickening” of the mitral valve could lead to fainting.

    What might shoot this down? For one thing, even when mitral valve prolapse occurs, it is generally a “benign condition”, some studies suggesting that it occurs in up to 38% of healthy teenage females. It is often asymptomatic and the symptoms that can occur (such as skipped beats) usually amount to no more than a nuisance. In any case, if Kathleen’s doctor says she did not suffer from MVP, then the defense is out of gas on this one.

  40. This is why I think they might be going there…

    EXCERPT:

    BRODSKY: … mild mitral valve thickening, which is a heart defect.

    GRACE: But sir…

    BRODSKY: Which can cause an accident.

    GRACE: … that`s not what — I`m glad you`re pointing that out, but that is not the cause of death. The cause of death is drowning, homicide.

    BRODSKY: No, the cause of death — well, the first cause of death was accidental. How did she become unconscious…

    GRACE: Accidental. It still said drowning.

    BRODSKY: Right, accidental drowning, so the bathtub…

    GRACE: There`s a difference between cause of death and manner of death.

    BRODSKY: … is full of water. She has — from her mitral valve thickening, she has a mild heart infarction. She becomes unconscious, hits her head and drowns in the water.

    GRACE: But there`s no evidence of a heart infarction. There is none whatsoever.

    BRODSKY: Well, that wouldn`t show up in an autopsy, but…

    GRACE: Yes, it would.

    BRODSKY: Mitral valve thickening did show up in the autopsy.

    GRACE: If someone has an infarction of the heart, a heart attack, that shows up in an autopsy. Clearly, that is not the cause of death.

    (CROSSTALK)

    GRACE: No, it does!

    BRODSKY: That wasn`t the cause of death…

    GRACE: It does show up!

    BRODSKY: … but it could cause unconsciousness.

    GRACE: Sir — OK, I see where the defense is going here.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

  41. Street Death Squad?!?! I am hoping so hard that this is just another facet of DP’s bulls**t fantasies to impress himself and tipsy females under the age of 25.

  42. facsmiley :
    What IS a “street death squad”?

    I also had to check it. 😉

    death squad – a clandestine military or paramilitary team who murder political dissidents or petty criminals (usually with the government’s tacit approval)

  43. cyrhla :Starting from today, Chuck Norris will not be my Master anymore. This is Drew Peterson now!

    LOL, LOL, LOL – thank you, Cyrhla! 🙂

  44. rescueapet :

    craig_wall
    court is done for the day. former lover of Drew Peterson
    says he told her he was on a street death squad

    2 minutes ago from API

    You know the fact he even says stuff like that is frightening in itself.

    He boasts to women he goes around killing people as if that is something to boast about (!!)

  45. BRODSKY: … is full of water. She has — from her mitral valve thickening, she has a mild heart infarction. She becomes unconscious, hits her head and drowns in the water.

    GRACE: But there`s no evidence of a heart infarction. There is none whatsoever.

    BRODSKY: Well, that wouldn`t show up in an autopsy, but…

    GRACE: Yes, it would.

    BRODSKY: Mitral valve thickening did show up in the autopsy.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Even if Joel were right about his medical reasoning, other evidence does not support an accidental fall in the bathtub and you can’t have one without the other.

  46. http://www.cltv.com/news/wgntv-ruling-due-stacy-peterson-ex-pastor-jan27,0,6088392.story

    Susan McCauley, worked for DP in his bar and had a 9 month long affair with DP while he was married to Savio. When she asked him if he ws getting a divorce, he said he would never divorce Kathleen because he did not want Kathleen to get half of his pension.

    BBPD Officer Richard Treese, cop who today testified that DP said about Kathleen, “I’d be better off if that ‘B’ were dead when he saw their two divorce lawyers laughing together in Will County Court.

    30 witnesses already took stand nearly 200 to go

  47. …and I won’t be surprised if they are going to be able to show that that tub edge couldn’t make that wound.

    You’re not wrong, there JAH. Sick feck.

  48. Oh, sad.

    Ex-prosecutor says she never received Kathleen Savio letter expressing her fears of Peterson
    By Associated Press

    5:59 PM CST, January 27, 2010

    JOLIET, Ill. (AP) — A former Will County prosecutor says she doesn’t remember receiving a letter from Drew Peterson’s third wife where she allegedly spelled out how she feared Peterson.

    Elizabeth Fragale (FRUH’-gaw-lee) testified at a pretrial hearing Wednesday on what “hearsay” evidence could be used when Peterson is tried on charges he killed Kathleen Savio.

    Fragale says she does remember meeting Savio in 2002, two years before her lifeless body was found in her bathtub. At the meeting, Savio pleaded with Fragale to dismiss domestic violence charges against her. Savio was later acquitted.

    At the same meeting, Fragale says she remembers Savio saying former police officer Drew Peterson was abusive, and that she told Savio to talk to Illinois State Police and get an order of protection.

    http://www.fox2now.com/news/sns-ap-il–drewpeterson-letter,0,6299775.story

  49. I would like to know, if someone reads here that can give us the information, what is required to get a protective order against someone.

    In other words, I am thinking you have to have some validity to the claim that your spouse is abusive and may have caused harm to you at some point. A police report, emergency room report, doctor report, what?

    It is my understanding that Kathleen did have an order against Drew Peterson, and she was later convinced to drop it so that he would not lose his job, his income, since he had a Stacy and a baby to support.

    Peterson is nothing but a coward, who beats the crap out of women, and who was physically and verbally abusive to them. I know his lawyers have to do whatever it takes to get him out of this mess, but regardless of that, how anyone could support this yellow-bellied piece of garbage is beyond me.

    At least one of his sons seems to have come out of this relationship a decent human being in spite of having this man as a father, by describing for the judge an act of his father’s that must have been repulsive to him. My judgment tells me that if this coward’s own son finds him less than a man, more will be coming.

  50. January 26, 2010 at 9:14 pm | #92
    Quote

    KING: Did you ever get physical with Stacy?

    PETERSON: Never. I’m a police officer and I don’t work for the phone company or the power company and as a police officer, we don’t have the same abilities to do things as the common person. If I get involved in a domestic situation where I’m physical with a wife, I’ll lose my job and I would never even come close to risking that

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I just want to come back to this general statement by Drew re Police Officers involved in domestic violence versus the eyewitness account of his son Eric re domestic violence in the Peterson household of 1993, how the house looked after the attack (broken glass/broken furniture everywhere) and Kathleens hospital report for the same event.

    If anything here’s conclusive proof Drew did get involved in domestic violence with at least one of his wives and as early as 1993, yet never lost his job as he himself said he wouldn’t risk (!!)

  51. I’m a police officer and I don’t work for the phone company or the power company and as a police officer, we don’t have the same abilities to do things as the common person. If I get involved in a domestic situation where I’m physical with a wife, I’ll lose my job and I would never even come close to risking that

    Well, if you think about that remark, and think back to Kathleen getting a protective order against him, then the jerk knows what he’s talking about. Because, Kathleen’s attorney, Harry Smith, did do an interview in which he alluded to this and said she dropped the protective order so he wouldn’t lose the right to carry his gun, which jeopardized his job. So, there ya go.

  52. Exactly Rescue, time has proven he (Drew) can commit domestic violence as much as he likes and still keep his job (!!)

  53. I just have a question for you Rescue to clarify something thats bugging me. Did the 2 neighbors that were questioned the other day see Drew in the vicinity of the car? Walking away? Was the 3rd witness the husband and wife combo making 2 and another individual? I thought I read one witness actually saw Drew or a man looking like him actually exiting the car. Now I cant find it.

  54. Also in regards to your restraining order question. Heres what I found in general.

    # Fill out the Petitioner’s Affidavit and Petition for Restraining Order. Provide as many details as possible.

    # The court administrator will provide forms and clerical assistance; check with that office if you have questions.

    # A filing fee may be charged; check with your local court administrator.

    # The court may issue a temporary restraining order, which is only effective until the hearing. You must attend the hearing to get an order that will be effective for a longer time.

    # A copy of any order must be served on the respondent (the alleged harasser). Usually service is completed by having an employee of the sheriff’s office personally deliver a copy of the papers to respondent. CHECK WITH THE SHERIFF’S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THE SERVICE IS DONE. If personal service cannot be completed because respondent is avoiding service or you do not know respondent’s address, you may come back to the court administrator’s office and ask to have service done by one week published notice. IF PERSONAL SERVICE IS NOT COMPLETED AND YOU DO NOT REQUEST PUBLISHED NOTICE, THE ORDER WILL END 14 DAYS AFTER THE JUDGE SIGNS IT.

  55. ,,,Peterson insisted on accompanying that investigator, Callahan testified, wouldn’t allow him to open drawers and only allowed the investigator to verify that Stacy wasn’t there…

    …Peterson also refused to sign a form allowing investigators to search his two vehicles, but did open the trunk of one them for police, he said. Peterson wouldn’t let police examine the other car at all…

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/judge-bars-public-media-from-peterson-hearing.html

    I’ve been trying all afternoon to figure this out.
    Wouldn’t ‘allow’? Wouldn’t ‘let’?
    I really really don’t understand how he got by with this. Can anyone explain it to me?

  56. Susan McCauley, worked for DP in his bar and had a 9 month long affair with DP while he was married to Savio. When she asked him if he ws getting a divorce, he said he would never divorce Kathleen because he did not want Kathleen to get half of his pension.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It seems like Drew is extremely sensitive about anyone touching his pension.

    He’s obsessed with sex and his pension (!!)

  57. I really really don’t understand how he got by with this. Can anyone explain it to me?

    CherylJones, they didn’t have a search warrant at that time. They could only search where Drew allowed them to.

  58. I spoke to our local magistrate before I obtained a protective order and I was told that you have to be in fear for your life to get one – I am in another state though. I just wrote on a piece of paper my reasons for needing one (in detail) and was granted one – but it had to be served before it could take effect.

  59. BTW, here is the letter Kathleen wrote to Elizabeth Fragale:

  60. Thank you, Facs. I’d wondered about that, although I wonder if that is the norm. The lack seems to defeat the purpose. Lucky Drew! Again.

  61. “He’s obsessed with sex and his pension”

    Drew probably thought it was his penis….they would get 1/2 of his penis.

  62. LOL @ Charmed4sure!

    Cheryl, I think the first search warrant was served on November 1st, which would have given him three days to clean up and move things…*sigh*

  63. givarat :

    I just have a question for you Rescue to clarify something thats bugging me. Did the 2 neighbors that were questioned the other day see Drew in the vicinity of the car? Walking away? Was the 3rd witness the husband and wife combo making 2 and another individual? I thought I read one witness actually saw Drew or a man looking like him actually exiting the car. Now I cant find it.

    GAR – The first neighbor witness who saw “Drew” was a Jacqueline Torrez, I believe her name is, who described in great detail leaving her house with her husband/dog early evening. She described the man she says is Drew, who was walking towards them, with “no purpose”, according to her, sweatshirt, hood up, who crossed over to avoid them, she said. I think she did say he was walking away from the car, which was parked on Apple Valley. She said it was a strange place to just park and leave a car. They reported the suspicious man to the police. When she got home from the encounter, she said, she told her daughter they saw a man who looked as though he had just killed someone.

    The next person was a Hector ????, who said he and his wife were out walking and noticed a suspicious man, who they described similarly as far as clothing is concerned. This man, though, described the color and type of car model, which would be the kind of car Stacy drove. He did not report him to the police.

    The third person (who was called prior to these neighbors) is the mom who picked up Tom for a band concert. She described Drew Peterson as being dressed in a dark sweatshirt at the time. She testified to seeing two vehicles in the driveway, but became unsure of what she told law enforcement after the defense seemed to have gotten her confused.

  64. There seems to be some confusion, by the way, about Jacqueline and Hector, the two “neighbor” witness. I do recall her stating her name as Jacqueline Torrez. His last name, I did not hear, but I did not understand them to be a “couple.” I think Hector’s name was reported as being Torrez also, so there lies the confusion.

  65. facsmiley :
    LOL @ Charmed4sure!
    Cheryl, I think the first search warrant was served on November 1st, which would have given him three days to clean up and move things…*sigh*

    I know, Facs. I’m sighing, too. I just hope that his bizarre actions during that first walk-through made them realize they needed to make a more thorough search, warrant at the ready.
    Drew’s bizarre actions…never mind. That’s redundant.

  66. Callaghan said he asked Peterson how he got the car back home, a question that “caught him off guard.”

    Peterson paused for a couple of seconds, Callaghan said, then answered, “Can you believe that?” Peterson said Stacy told him she had left the keys on the floorboard and the doors unlocked.

    Callaghan said Peterson repeatedly referred to his wife in the past tense, such as “she was a good mom,” or “she was a hot 23-year-old.” He admitted that he was possessive of his much-younger wife, Callaghan said.

    Callaghan said Peterson told the officers that he and Stacy were having marital problems, but that their fights coincided with Stacy’s menstrual cycle, and that they would always make up and “have great sex” afterward.

    He said Peterson brought up, unasked, the couple’s sex life three or four times during the interview, something he found “awkward.”

    Fragale testified Wednesday that Peterson repeatedly sought to have Savio “prosecuted to the full extent” — once coming to her office in uniform unannounced — and said she got the impression Peterson wanted to use the charges as leverage in his divorce battle.

    Susan McCauley, who at the time was a bartender at Peterson’s Montgomery pub, said Peterson told her that he and a friend were on a “street death squad,” adding, “if you ever needed anyone taken care of.”

    Peterson, wearing a plaid suit in court, laughed when McCauley testified that the only gift she received during the affair was a “very cheap necklace.”

    http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/peterson-unusual-just-after-wife-vanished-court-told.html

  67. Susan McCauley, who at the time was a bartender at Peterson’s Montgomery pub, said Peterson told her that he and a friend were on a “street death squad,” adding, “if you ever needed anyone taken care of.”

    Not that I’m buying the reality of a ‘street death squad’, but I do wonder who this other friend is…

  68. Whoah I missed this bit:

    Phone records show Peterson had conversations with his stepbrother Thomas Morphey in the weeks before Stacy disappeared, Callaghan said. But Peterson told police on Nov. 1 that he hadn’t spoken with Morphey in two weeks. Morphey has testified he helped Peterson move a barrel he believes contained Stacy’s body on Oct. 28.

    Liar, liar pants on…oh nevermind.

  69. Doctor, Former Lover Testify in Peterson Case

    Updated: Wednesday, 27 Jan 2010, 9:16 PM CST
    Published : Wednesday, 27 Jan 2010, 8:17 PM CST

    By Craig Wall, FOX Chicago News

    A former lover of Drew Peterson’s took the witness stand Wednesday and made a startling allegation about a hit squad.

    Donna McCauley testified that she had a nine month affair with Drew Peterson starting in 1997. She said that while at a friend’s house, Peterson got up to go to the garage with his buddy, telling her they had some business to take care of: “We’re on a street death squad,” he allegedly told her, adding, “If I needed anyone taken care of, I can have them taken care of.”

    Peterson’s attorney Joel Brodsky scoffed at the claim as being nothing more than Peterson making a joke.

    “He was pulling her leg,” Brodsky said. “What, next we’re going to have Drew on the grassy knoll, doing the Lindbergh kidnapping?”

    Peterson was married to his third wife Kathleen Savio at the time. McCauley said Peterson had talked about ending his marriage to Savio, but she says he told her “probably he would never get a divorce because he didn’t want Kathleen to get half his pension,” she said.

    Savio died in 2004 during her bitter divorce from Peterson, shortly after her lawyer had subpoenaed Peterson’s pension records and before their marital assets had been divided.

    Peterson is now charged with Savio’s murder, but her death was originally classified as accidental. She appeared to have drowned after slipping and falling in her bathtub.

    Peterson’s pre-trial hearing is to determine what hearsay evidence will be allowed in at his trial.

    Earlier in the day, Savio’s doctor, Vinod Motiani testified that Savio had no history of balance problems and there was no indication she was prone to falls, but during cross examination, Peterson’s attorney Joel Brodsky got Dr. Motiani to admit that Savio had complained to him about dizziness and feeling unsteady.

    “From this medical history, it bolsters our case that it was an accidental slip and fall in the tub,” Brodsky claimed after court.

    An Illinois State Police investigator also testified about interviewing Peterson a day after his fourth wife Stacy disappeared. Peterson claimed she ran away with another man.
    Special Agent Patrick Callaghan said he was struck by one comment in particular.
    “He stated she was a hot 23-year-old girl,” Callaghan said, noting how Peterson used “was,” referring to her in the past tense.

    Stacy’s minister, who was expected to testify Wednesday, has been rescheduled for Friday.

    http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/news/national/peterson-trial-doctor-lover1264648475740

  70. “From this medical history, it bolsters our case that it was an accidental slip and fall in the tub,” Brodsky claimed after court.

    That’s it. Let the lying skunk out. We’re back to being convinced she slipped, conked her head, and died from being so deeply unconscious, that she stopped breathing and drowned. Because that’s what they’re implying. That the head injury was so severe, it made her incapable of saving herself from drowning.

    Is that even believable at all? Would a poor sap of a juror think this is possible? Amazing.

  71. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Drews+%4041.694526573062305,-88.13066483242437&daddr=41.640675,-88.061614&geocode=FT81fAIdlzu_-g%3B&hl=en&mra=mi&mrsp=1&sz=14&sll=41.640271,-88.060398&sspn=0.025273,0.081625&ie=UTF8&ll=41.653676,-88.035164&spn=0.10107,0.3265&z=12

    I just wanted to post this map for the readers that aren’t familiar with the area in a possible route from Drews to Toms to the cell ping area. At least it was reported that the ping came from near the industrial area just north of there. I also didn’t mark exactly where Tom lived/lives, just the nearest main intersection that Drew would take after dropping Tom off with Blue barrel in suv.

  72. rescueapet :

    “From this medical history, it bolsters our case that it was an accidental slip and fall in the tub,” Brodsky claimed after court.

    That’s it. Let the lying skunk out. We’re back to being convinced she slipped, conked her head, and died from being so deeply unconscious, that she stopped breathing and drowned. Because that’s what they’re implying. That the head injury was so severe, it made her incapable of saving herself from drowning.
    Is that even believable at all? Would a poor sap of a juror think this is possible? Amazing.

    When all is said and done in that courtroom, the jury will know that Kathleen died from the extended ‘swirlie’ DP treated her to.

  73. Rescue,

    Regarding restraining order…….

    If you call police during a domestic dispute, and they have reason to believe, or see marks etc, the accused abuser is arrested. They take your statement, take pictures, and it is automatically given a 3 day restraining order. After those 3 days you have to go to the courthouse on that 3rd day to file a petition for an extension to the restraining order. You go in this little room on the 1st floor, talk to a domestic violence counselor who has you fill out paperwork, and asks you all kinds of questions. You then wait to see the judge. When the judge calls you up, you have to go up say what happened to you, why you feel you need a restraining order, and if he was arrested, or a police report. The judge then decides if a restraining order is warranted. If he feels it is warranted then he gives a 3 week restraining order.( I believe back in early 2000’s with Kathleen however it was still 2 weeks). After that time period is up you have to go back on that date to see the judge again to ask for another extension. At this time, the one who is accused of doing the abuse has the right to go before the judge and say his side to why he feels there shouldn’t be a restraining order. If the accused doesn’t show up you can get a restraining order decided by the judge for up to 2 yrs.

    If there isn’t a police report, and you just go down there, again the judge would have to decide if you are telling the truth and give the 2-3 week restraining order and the accused would have the right to show up just as above.

  74. They are very careful about just giving out restraining order especially in a situation where both parties are living under the same roof, together, or married. The reasoning for that is sometimes out of spite some will go down there and claim abuse, or say they are being threatened just to have the other party removed from the premises. This is why they give the accused the right to show up at the 2-3 week extension deadline to give them the right to say their side of the story, and why or why they shouldn’t have a restraining order against them. If there is proof of abuse however the judge often gives an extension whether the accused shows up or not, if the judge feels he is a clear danger to the victim.

  75. Fragale testified Wednesday that Peterson repeatedly sought to have Savio “prosecuted to the full extent” — once coming to her office in uniform unannounced — and said she got the impression Peterson wanted to use the charges as leverage in his divorce battle.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Goes to show what lengths this man was prepared to go to, how he tried to manipulate everyone around him for his gain and benefit.

    Imagine a Police Officer using his position by repeatedly requesting a Will County Prosecutor to get the mother of his young children “prosecuted to the full extent”

    As far as the “Street Death Squad” goes, that’s most likely what he called his self assigned duties within the Police Department, to cause terror in the suburbs whilst in uniform (!!)

  76. As for the ex girlfriend of Drew Peterson I see two different names on the news reports. One says Susan McCauley, the other one says Donna McCauley. Which one is it? Up above one of the newspaper articles called her Donna?

    I wonder is this woman related to the owner of McCauley Funeral home here in town? It was said that someone in the family related to Drew the guy who owns the funeral home, his brother is a good friend of theirs. I was wondering if anything was said about this how she met Drew?

  77. “From this medical history, it bolsters our case that it was an accidental slip and fall in the tub,” Brodsky claimed after court.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    And Sgt Collins said it was an accident too, so it must be right !

  78. ” McCauley testified that she had a nine month affair with Drew Peterson starting in 1997. She said that while at a friend’s house, Peterson got up to go to the garage with his buddy, telling her they had some business to take care of: “We’re on a street death squad,” he allegedly told her, adding, “If I needed anyone taken care of, I can have them taken care of.”

    __________________________________________________________________________

    I wonder who this friend of his was that was on the death squad with Drew? I wonder if the State will be calling him in on the stand? It will be interesting to hear what he has to say, or if he will say anything at all.

  79. Callaghan said he asked Peterson how he got the car back home, a question that “caught him off guard.”

    Peterson paused for a couple of seconds, Callaghan said, then answered, “Can you believe that?” Peterson said Stacy told him she had left the keys on the floorboard and the doors unlocked.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, LOL – Never let the truth get in the way of some quick thinking !!

    Didn’t someone also ask why Stacy would leave him the car and Drew answered “because she wanted me to have it”, yet on the other hand he said she took $25.000 of his money out of the safe when she left.

  80. I regret that Stacy did not really take this $25.000 and run away with her children (even with abother man!).
    I guess she did not have access to any big money because Drew knew she wanted to leave.

  81. One of Peterson’s attorneys, George Lenard, asked Callahan if he had a grudge against Peterson over a felony gun case Peterson dodged when prosecutors dropped the charges in November 2008.

    “It doesn’t matter to me either way,” Callahan said of the gun case, which is under appeal. “I think he’s got bigger problems right now.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Defense really likes to flog the “Vindictive Prosecution” angle and Calahans response was priceless (!!)

  82. questions4you :
    ” McCauley testified that she had a nine month affair with Drew Peterson starting in 1997. She said that while at a friend’s house, Peterson got up to go to the garage with his buddy, telling her they had some business to take care of: “We’re on a street death squad,” he allegedly told her, adding, “If I needed anyone taken care of, I can have them taken care of.”
    __________________________________________________________________________
    I wonder who this friend of his was that was on the death squad with Drew? I wonder if the State will be calling him in on the stand? It will be interesting to hear what he has to say, or if he will say anything at all.

    Questions4Y – This is regarding the friend:

    McCauley recalled a visit to the home of Daniel Harrison, a friend of Peterson, in early 2008. During the visit, Peterson told her “he had some business to take care of, that we’re on the ‘street death squad,'” and that he and Harrison went together to the garage.

    McCauley testified that Peterson later told her “that if we ever need anyone taken care of, that they could take care of them.”

    “It was a sobering moment,” said McCauley, who broke it off with Peterson when she suspected he was having sex with someone other than her or his wife.

    “I honestly thought he was cheating on me,” McCauley said. “He obviously was with his track record.”

  83. “I honestly thought he was cheating on me,” McCauley said. “He obviously was with his track record.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    HUH ???

    McCauley is worried about Drew cheating on her, but wait a minute she is cheating with a married man herself, so does that mean she wasn’t really cheating because Drew was cheating on her too ??

  84. Not so much a Casanova, think how many women he must have hit on unsuccessfully. He was at it all the time. 1% of 4000 is 40. lol

  85. bucketoftea :
    Not so much a Casanova, think how many women he must have hit on unsuccessfully. He was at it all the time. 1% of 4000 is 40. lol

    You are right. No records in the Guiness Book of Records then. LOL.

  86. I want to blow a kiss to Jacqueline Torrez for calling the police about the suspicious bugger on the street. And Hector for taking note of Stacy’s car.

  87. Wouldn’t you call the police in their place? ;). Seeing Peterson in day light could traumatic, not to mention at night.

    However, I want to give them a kiss, too :).

    BTW, I wonder if the police checked it.

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