Sealed ruling on hearsay statements leaked to the media

Last night both the Chicago Tribune and Daily Herald revealed in stories that they had obtained the sealed decision on the hearsay statements to be admitted to Drew Peterson’s trial for the murder of Kathleen Savio.

From those reports it appears that at present only five of the originally submitted fifteen statements are to be allowed (two statements were struck down even before the hearsay hearings):

  1. Kathleen Savio’s statement to her sister Anna Doman that “Drew said he’s going to kill me and I would not make it to the divorce settlement, I will never get his pension or my children.”
  2. Kathleen Savio’s statements in 2003 to Mary Parks, a classmate at Joliet Junior College, that Peterson “could kill her and no one would know”.
  3. Kathleen Savio’s statements in 2003 to Mary Parks, a classmate at Joliet Junior College, that Peterson entered Savio’s home, pinned her down by her throat and asked, “Why don’t you just die?”
  4. Stacy Peterson’s statement to her pastor, Neil Schori, that she saw Peterson return home late, dressed in black and carrying a bag of women’s clothing, shortly before Savio’s body was found.
  5. Kathleen Savio’s 2002 letter of complaint to an assistant state’s attorney and a handwritten statement given Bolingbrook police regarding a 2002 run-in with Peterson.

ABC7 reported that:

Will County State’s Attorney would not confirm any information about the leaked ruling but did say the office is “outraged” and considering all its legal options.

Read more at ABC7
Read more at the Daily Herald
Read more at the Chicago Tribune
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305 thoughts on “Sealed ruling on hearsay statements leaked to the media

  1. Gawd, how rewarding for an attorney could it be to be a source of constant underhandedness to score points for a murder defendant client? I mean, why spend all those years and money in school, when the name of the game is get as much face time as possible, use the media to spread your lies, and whine about what a tough deal the defendant is getting.

    There has to be some professional, dignified defense attorneys out there. It sure isn’t this group.

  2. Nice to see a statement from a family member of Kathleen’s. Is it really so hard to drive out to the burbs for an on-camera comment from someone other than the defense team?

    Props to ABC7 for making the effort.

  3. We know what kind of shit would leak it, now we know which shits would publish it, too. Burns me up (you’d never guess).

  4. Hey everyone, just a FYI note.

    I spoke to Joe Hosey about this leak of the judge’s ruling. Joe is working on a story, apparently. He was in contact with Joel Brodsky, and Brodsky is blaming it on the State’s Attorney’s Office. If that is the case, I assume that Mr. Brodsky will have the information at hand that he needs to prove out his allegation, even before we hear of any court or State’s Attorney official possibly looking into the source.

    Yet, if you will note in the news report ABC Local News did, when the defense was contacted about this story, the individual said “no comment.”

    A couple of weeks back, when I posted my comments about thinking Attorney Greenberg was the source of information passed onto Christy Gutowski for her (now to be known accurate) story about Judge White’s hearsay rulings, apparently Greenberg was not a happy camper about that, for some reason. Either he read it here himself, or someone told him about it. Either way, whether misinformed by someone or making an incorrect assumption himself, he thought that I was Joe Hosey, posting as “rescueapet.” He fired off a couple of emails to Joe expressing his dissatisfaction with the comments I posted, and indicated that he believed that Joe was the one posting those comments.

    I don’t care who he thinks I am, who I was, or who I want to be, it doesn’t take a leap to figure out that the swarm of information hitting the papers these days is abundant since he joined the defense team. I have every right to express my opinion on that. If I’m right, then, obviously, I hit a sore spot. If I’m not right, I’m still only expressing my opinion of what looks to be obvious.

    So, there you have the latest in this turn of events. Now that the ruling is out that the judge wanted to keep sealed to preserve the murder defendant’s rights to a fair trial by his jury of peers, it’s all over the news. Who would enjoy that more, IMO, IMO, IMO, than the defense, so they can whine about the judge, the jury, the unfairness of it all?

    Now what is the judge going to do with this mess?

  5. Isn’t it usually a smart idea to get your facts checked out first before hitting that Enter key that sends an accusatory, angry email or two to an individual, who, it turns out, has no idea what the hell you’re even talking about?

    Just askin……

  6. I agree Rescue, Good Lord, if they think you are Joe Hosey, I am LMAO…just like everything else they do, they dont do their homework, all I can say is (LOL) God help Drew with these bunch of windbags.IMO…They sealed his fate. What a bunch of idiots. And they dont like this place? Geez,I wonder why?…Maybe Justice Cafe hits a nerve for them, since its based on fact. Sucks to be the Scream Team…

  7. Was it Cyrhla who said this morning that she was just waiting for the defense to blame the State for the leak? Looks like it was a good call.

    I was absolutely dumbfounded to see attorney Greenberg going after Joe Hosey for comments Rescue had made. Not even asking if it was him but just laying into him as if he knew for a fact…when he was just jumping to a conclusion and a dead wrong one at that.

    As I commented on Facebook at the time; I thought attorneys were supposed to be smart.

    Rescue, can I be Joe Hosey tomorrow? Maybe we can all take turns. 😉

  8. To quote from the article.

    “Will County State’s Attorney would not confirm any information about the leaked ruling but did say the office is “outraged” and considering all its legal options.”

    I hope the state does pursue all its legal options and there’s some disciplinary action taken. The defense acts like they can do what they wish with rulings and aren’t bound to the rules of the court.

  9. I meant to reply to Rescueapet’s post and accidently hit the submit button before adding my comments.

    What I was going to say is that it takes a very undisciplined attorney with no ethics to simply assume a post on the Internet came from a reporter and run with it. This seems to be what Atty Greenberg did, in fact, do. This gives us some good insight into the underhanded tactics the defense is resorting to. They clearly have no defense for their client and are relying on keeping out as much of hearsay as possible, along with attacking the state’s evidence that will be presented. At the same time, they’re willing to ignore a judge’s ruling in an attempt to try this case in the media before it ever gets into a courtroom. No doubt their target is prospective jurors.

  10. I hope Joe will share 😉 It would be more than fair lol. What’s an angry email compared to a sealed judgment in a murder case?

    …and indeed! suspicious that only a “no comment” came from the defense (how many times have they said that??)

  11. Hmmmm, they don’t like us? What ever will we do *pout*, I guess thats because their stupidity takes center stage around here. So I suppose when they question the jury pool they will ask if they blog and they will be disqualified if they do because they might be from Justice Cafe. Oh the power!

  12. meirish :
    And I thought only the NINGA’S had powers.LOL Joel and Drew are cut from the same cloth.

    I will sue you for stealing my thoughts, meirish LOL.

  13. charmed4sr :
    Hmmmm, they don’t like us? What ever will we do *pout*, I guess thats because their stupidity takes center stage around here. So I suppose when they question the jury pool they will ask if they blog and they will be disqualified if they do because they might be from Justice Cafe. Oh the power!

    LOL, LOL !

  14. Hi everybody.

    Greenberg thinking or assuming that Joe Hosey was posting on a blog is crazy. I don’t know who planted that idea in his head, or if he came to that conclusion all on his own, but it’s time for him and the rest of the defense team to quit thinking that others are as calculating as they are!! See, the problem with that thinking is, they don’t quite get it that we use our heads to form logical thoughts; we don’t fall under their cast of spells to think like a bunch of defendant-driven zombies. Those days of Peterson hoodwinking those in authority over his comings and goings are over, and the rest of us can see the chaos he is capable of causing. That includes the warm and fuzzy defense team that the head putz has assembled, giving Peterson security that his life is in their hands.

    Most of the bloggers here are the pulse of what the public thinks of their murder defendant client. That’s why the defense continuously spews out lies and soundbites that are insensitive and outrageous–they’re trying to change that perception out of the courtroom and in the public. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what they’re doing, and then watch them spit and spew about how all of this negativity is screwing up the rights of their client. Boo hoo.

    It is outrageous that what was the intention of a trial judge, to ensure the defendant’s rights all along by limiting the interviews and appearances, has been used and abused by the defense. They’re going to be front and center now, arguing that their client can’t possibly get a fair trial with this “leaked” news that Judge White found, by a preponderance of the evidence, Peterson likely killed Kathleen and Stacy. No law degree is required either to see that THEY ARE THE ONES, FOR THIS REASON, THAT TRIED TO GET JUDGE WHITE REMOVED FROM THE CASE, yet they are now trying to turn that around and lay it on the prosecution. IMO, of course.

    I have big news for the defense. There are a lot of people that read this blog, from all over the WORLD. What might not make it in the newspapers might get discussed here, and maybe that’s why Greenberg had a hissy fit over assumptions I made about him. My guess would be no defense attorney wants a trial judge to even remotely think they are leaking information out that is supposed to be under seal. There’s a real good way to prevent that from happening. 🙂

    Tough-you-know-what.

  15. It’s definitely their own crooked outlook, as you said. They probably assume that as Joe is praised here, he must be a member or is paying us. Surprise, surprise, surprise. Just because no genuine admiration is is going in their direction certainly doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It stirs some pity in me, like the end of Fargo.

  16. Ha, yeah, Bucket, they know that we know.

    Hey, I have a good idea. Maybe Brodsky can give the other guys on the team the link for that blog that has a staggering two or three posters that spend the bulk of their posts berating all of us over here. They might enjoy the caliber of those bloggers and relate better to them. They discuss feathers, clucking and fleas a lot. That’s a good fit, no?

  17. rescueapet :
    Ha, yeah, Bucket, they know that we know.
    Hey, I have a good idea. Maybe Brodsky can give the other guys on the team the link for that blog that has a staggering two or three posters that spend the bulk of their posts berating all of us over here. They might enjoy the caliber of those bloggers and relate better to them. They discuss feathers, clucking and fleas a lot. That’s a good fit, no?

    Nice to think JB would be welcome somewhere

  18. Well, as disheartened, and even furious, as I feel about the leaked documents and information that the newspapers cover, I understand how it works. The reporters are not required to be the moral authorities over the sources that may leak information to them. It makes for good copy and it’s what sells newspapers, pays salaries. In other words, it doesn’t make much sense to blame the messengers. I just don’t care for the way the defense uses the media as a strategy.

    Although, what is ironic is, that is what I did. I used what I read in the media, came to a conclusion as to how it made it that far, and then, obviously, got a defense guy all revved up. How silly of me to not “think” that the reporter was finding all of this information under the tea leaves that were hidden under a crystal ball.

  19. I understand how it works, but I don’t have to like it. Publishing a sealed order in a current criminal matter is outrageous. It’s not like they were exposing wrongdoing.I think it sucks, and I wouldn’t do it. But there you are, I’m not surprised particularly coming from the Trib. MOO as ever, but just check out the bullshit that comprises their statement of principle.

  20. It is also becoming crystal clear why two lawyers left and another one wants to dissolve a partnership !

  21. Well, Bucket, I’ve given some thought to this issue regarding how judge White ruled regarding the hearsay issues, and when and how it was reported.

    Christy Gutowski of the Daily Herald had it pegged from the get-go. I was a fool to question it at the time. I was angry about it because it was against what I was hoping the judge would allow.

    But, nonetheless,the point is that it leads me to believe, IMO, IMO, IMO, that she not only relied on her source, but she most likely had something else at her disposal that gave her confidence to report her story as she did. She was spot on, wasn’t she?

    On the other hand, the Tribune reported a front page exclusive, which was in contrast to what the Daily Herald had, i.e., Pastor Schori’s allowed testimony. That gives me the impression the Tribune was relying on their source, but did not have any other information other than the “word” of the source. Their source misled them, no?

    So, now, the Tribune was first in reporting they had seen the actual ruling, and they reported on it. Except, now, it’s different than what their front page exclusive said.

    Common sense would indicate that the presumed sources are shaky in the way they relay facts of the case, IMO.

  22. You know, not that there’s any other place like our Justice Cafe, but I was thinking-we know of Greenberg’s ‘ASSumptions only because of Rescue’s contact with Joe Hosey. Who’s to say Greenberg isn’t firing off missiles all over the place, refuting connections that aren’t there, and doing belly flops when jumping into his conclusions. Wish we could get a look at his hard drives.

  23. grandam :

    Lopez was on WGN radio early this am. Didn’t say much, just explained the long appeal process.

    Oh, really? I guess, then, it’s fair to say that’s the way it should have been, it should be, and will be. Simply explaining court and legal proceedings; not adding in infantile, insensitive, cocky remarks.

  24. cheryljones :

    You know, not that there’s any other place like our Justice Cafe, but I was thinking-we know of Greenberg’s ‘ASSumptions only because of Rescue’s contact with Joe Hosey. Who’s to say Greenberg isn’t firing off missiles all over the place, refuting connections that aren’t there, and doing belly flops when jumping into his conclusions. Wish we could get a look at his hard drives.

    That’s true, Cheryl, but we did some extensive blogging, we did, about Brodsky and his Addiction Bar, and how he shot off emails about that.

    In fact, one Sunday morning, I got a call from Geoff Pinkus, the radio DJ who Brodsky/Peterson wanted to promote Brodsky’s personal business. They wanted Pinkus and Amy Jacobson to pretend they thought the joint was a happening place, with fantastic chicken wings. Anyway, Pinkus was off on a vacation with his family, when he got one of “those” creepy cease and desist calls from Brodsky, and, in turn, Pinkus called me and asked us to take stuff off the blog that he previously had given us permission to post.

    So, it’s just more of the same kind of stuff. Just a different guy, different day.

  25. The question needs to be asked – who has the most to gain by sabotaging, damaging and undermining Court proceedings and who is willfully wanting to cause chaos for the Prosecution, Judge and Legal system ?

  26. I’d think that even if they didn’t like it the defense team would want to read what is written here as well as what is written at sites that have Drew sympathizers to help them understand which points they need to work on for the potential jury.

    I personally don’t care if the defense team isn’t happy with what is written here. They have shown no compassion for Kathleen or Stacy during this whole case. Now one could argue that is part of their job to help get their client acquitted but there are some moral lines that should not be crossed and they have crossed the line a few times IMO.

  27. I guess Drew is getting what he really wants, to be known world ’round. Dear Drew, the only reason anyone cares who you are is because of Kathleen and Stacy without them you are still nothing.

  28. Say what?? The title doesn’t sound like he is supportive of Drew…

    http://twitter.com/Smartmedicine

    Smartmedicine
    My newest book, “Analyzing Monsters – Family Cures” “The Drew Peterson Saga” has just been released in hard and soft cover. $9.50 – E Reader
    4 minutes ago via web

  29. I remember that, Rescue, and oh, wasn’t it nice to read it again? Still…you’d think he/they would have learned something in the meantime, wouldn’t you? Maybe we’d like to look at all, the hard drives. LOL

  30. A spokesman for the Will County State’s Attorney would not confirm any information about the leaked ruling but did say the office is “outraged” and considering all its legal options.

    With regard to this recent statement from the SA’s Office, I spoke to Chuck Pelkie, the spokesman for James Glasgow’s Office.

    He is perfectly willing to take phone calls from anyone who may have questions, but, it must be understand that he will only answer as he would for any media outlet, and not on a personal opinion basis.

    I inquired of him as to whether or not this recent document could have been inadvertently released by either the Circuit Court or the Appellate Court. The answer is no! Judge White’s ruling is under seal, and a request to have it remain under seal was asked of the Appellate Court. It was granted. The Will County Court Administrator was asked whether it could have inadvertently been released, and the response to that was no. It is under seal in the Circuit Court. So, at this point, there is no legitimate way this ruling was provided to anyone outside of the parties of this case.

    Mr. Pelkie stressed and made it quite clear that the State’s Attorney’s Office will neither confirm nor deny that the leaked document is Judge White’s actual ruling. He said that would be admitting the document is authentic. They are following Judge White’s ruling, which he said is “gospel,” that the document remain under seal. He said that to confirm the document is authentic would be violating the judge’s order. He would neither confirm nor deny what is accurate and what is not in the recent newspaper accounts of what is contained in that document. He acknowledged that there are mixed accounts being reported.

    To the extent that someone handed out a document that is purported to be Judge White’s sealed ruling, the State’s Attorney’s Office is “outraged.” They are in the process of weighing and determining what their options are.

    The State’s Attorney’s Office is cognizant of the unprofessional remarks that have been attributed to the defense, however, Mr. Glasgow has done everything he can that doesn’t add to the circus-like atmosphere that’s been created.

    I asked Mr. Pelkie if this leaked document is something that Judge White must address, or if it’s the State’s Attorney’s issue to investigate. He would not answer that question directly, other than to say they are looking into what all of their options are and discussing them. He indicated that it’s their belief Judge White sealed his ruling to protect the defendant’s rights, and they are bound by the judge’s order.

  31. So how long before the defense now comes out and files a motion to drop the charges against Drew because he cannot get a fair trial due to this alleged leak? Thanks Rescue – Pelkie is stuck between a rock and a hard place for answering the questions you asked. I do hope that whoever leaked it – no matter who they are – are punished for doing so. Leaks such as that do nothing to obtain justice for anyone involved.

  32. thinkaboutit2 :

    So how long before the defense now comes out and files a motion to drop the charges against Drew because he cannot get a fair trial due to this alleged leak? Thanks Rescue – Pelkie is stuck between a rock and a hard place for answering the questions you asked. I do hope that whoever leaked it – no matter who they are – are punished for doing so. Leaks such as that do nothing to obtain justice for anyone involved.

    I hope so too, TAI. A bunch of very unprofessional people involved in this case.

  33. Rescue, I thank you, too. IF this leak (whichever version) did come from the defense, sounds like everyone is more concerned about Drewpy’s rights than the defense is, doesn’t it? Sad state of affairs.
    Yes, I predict at least a motion to dismiss to be coming soon.
    It must be very hard to keep one’s mouth shut when everyone else is flapping their jaws.
    And Rescue, could you revisit exactly what it was that you ‘used to do’? I’m sure that you have a legal background, but have you ever posted what it was? (Probably before my time). I’m referring to your post above, #27 “I used what I read in the media, came to a conclusion as to how it made it that far, and then, obviously, got a defense guy all revved up.”
    TIA!

  34. Cheryl – I’ve always worked for lawyers, but never relating to criminal work. My husband is a retired police officer, who is always willing to answer questions I may have that have to do with police procedures, arrests, and things of that nature.

    I guess that makes me an exlaw something or other too, no? 🙂

  35. Oh, Rescue, thank you so much. We’re blessed to have you (and by association, your DH) here with us.
    And thanks for all of you and the information you disseminate so graciously and
    efficiently.
    And for the wisecracks, too. 🙂 You make me laugh out loud, sometimes.

  36. rescueapet :Cheryl – I’ve always worked for lawyers, but never relating to criminal work. My husband is a retired police officer, who is always willing to answer questions I may have that have to do with police procedures, arrests, and things of that nature.
    I guess that makes me an exlaw something or other too, no?

    All that and all your time and efforts invested make you “APPRECIATED” !!

  37. LOL, appreciated is good, cuz the pay is lousy. 😉

    One thing that has come of all of this, for me, is that it has been an enormous learning experience in many ways. Not to mention I have become friends with some awesome people, both outside of the blog and on the blog.

    The circumstances of these two women has become a media phenomenon, that’s for sure, and it’s been interesting to be involved with it. I’ve always been a reader of true life and non-fiction books, but this has to be one of the most bizarre stories around when it comes to true crime. I attended my first ever criminal proceeding when watching two days of the hearsay hearings. I’ve met dedicated past searchers who gave up hours and hours of their own time to help a young woman find her sister.

    Facs has developed this site as an extraordinary, organized source of all kinds of factual information that looks amazing to the eye. I’ve learned a few things as to how that works too.

    So, to anyone and everyone who does appreciate coming here to keep up with the Peterson news, thank you, thank you.

  38. I do appreciate coming here to get information as you guys reach out to get more details from other sources when possible and so many people here do research and pull up other things that help expand our understanding of the system and this case.

  39. TAI – Thanks for reminding me, LOL. I always loved doing research, but I have become even better at it than I would have expected. It does become a challenge to search for something that sometimes seems elusive.

  40. Judge White’s ruling is under seal, and a request to have it remain under seal was asked of the Appellate Court. It was granted. The Will County Court Administrator was asked whether it could have inadvertently been released, and the response to that was no. It is under seal in the Circuit Court. So, at this point, there is no legitimate way this ruling was provided to anyone outside of the parties of this case.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    God Bless Chuck Pelkie !

    He said what needed to be said with the above.

  41. What is this?

    RAINES CHRISTINA C 7 28 10 BBLK 900 10TR062628 2686522 OPERATE UNINSURED MTR 1 Arraignment

  42. To Rescue and to Facs, I would like to thank you both for all the long hours you have put into this. Thankyou,would be an understatement..But one thing is for sure, everyone here wants justice to be served,and a murderer to be tried and convicted of both Kathleen and Stacy’s murders.These families of the victims, have suffered for a long long time. They need closure,as well as we do.And to # 58 I so agree…

  43. judgin :

    What is this?

    RAINES CHRISTINA C 7 28 10 BBLK 900 10TR062628 2686522 OPERATE UNINSURED MTR 1 Arraignment

    I think her lack of car insurance was why her sister Kim was always driving her to Drew’s house. That is, before he started letting her drive Stacy’s car. She’s probably still uninsured.

  44. Well, folks, things just keep on happening in this bizarre turn of events.

    Most of you know who Paul Huebl is. He’s a private investigator who has been aligned with the defense, and has occasionally written columns in support of Peterson and against James Glasgow and the State’s Attorney’s Office.

    crimefilenews.com

    He wrote his latest column about how this is a “legal horror” for Drew Peterson, and and how it “terminally taints” his case.

    While I have to agree that this is not what the judge wanted to happen, and he was attempting to protect the rights of Drew Peterson to a fair trial, Huebl has disclosed that none other than Joe Hosey is the leak. What this shows is that Huebl has let the finger of a defense member reach high up his nose to lead him around like a clueless zombie. We all know that here.

    The unthinkable happened when a reporter Joe Hosey got a copy of the sealed judge’s order and spilled the beans.

    I will attempt to withhold most of my contempt for Huebl’s disgusting “joke” by naming Joe Hosey,” but, in all reality, it is the intelligent, smart and savvy members here who are getting the biggest laughs from this. Leakers go to reporters, Huebl. Reporters write about what is leaked to them. It is almost impossible to even try to make sense out of your worthless dribble.

    BTW, Huebl, if you weren’t so far up Brodsky’s rear end and had more time to check out your facts, you’d have realized that the Tribune report says, in part:

    The judge overseeing the Drew Peterson case has ruled the former Bolingbrook police sergeant likely murdered his third and fourth wives, but found that only five of the 13 hearsay sources prosecutors hoped to admit at trial could be used, according to a copy of the sealed ruling obtained by the Tribune.

    See, the thing is, Huebl, Joe Hosey does not work for the Tribune.

    Gottcha.

  45. Fool can’t even keep his facts straight. Says the reporter is the leak and spilled the beans. To who (I can’t stop laughing as I type this)? To two other reporters, working for two other newspapers?

    Dope. Wouldn’t that mean that Joe Hosey was actually helping the defense by leaking this information, thus, having you reveal how hopelessly tainted the case against Drew is and how it should be dismissed.

    What fool concocted this hysterical plot for you to reveal?

    Halp me. I can’t stop laughing!!!!!

  46. As rescue pointed out – the document was leaked by someone close to the case and the contents shared by reporters for the Chicago Tribune and the Daily Herald…not the Herald-News/Sun-Times where Hosey works. Hosey didn’t report on the document at all. So Pauly is once more, blatantly wrong in a slanderous way. He should be more careful about that.

    At this point Huebl is just a pathetic pawn in this game. He took part in some pretty low antics at one point — disseminating materials for Brodsky via his nutty blog (leak much?) and even contacting potential witnesses and publishing their names and addresses. His early claims as a commenter on this very blog (where he commented as both Crimefile and the sock puppet Nurserene) as to not having ever met Drew Peterson, quickly turned into blog posts about his “lunch with a murderer” in which he proudly posted photographs of himself with the defendant and Joel Brodsky.

    From the beginning we’ve had Paul Huebl’s number. Yet another famewhore and wannabe latching on to the notoriety of a murder suspect.

  47. Aren’t reporters the ones that want to be on the receiving end of leaked documents and information, not the other way around?

    Guy must be off his medication again, or his pantyhose is too tight, squeezing that thinking part at the southern end of his body.

  48. Think it might be time to revisit this:

    REPOST

    Another blatant example of Joel breaching the Illinois Rules of Professional Conduct is when he released a portion of his discovery materials to Paul Huebl who then made public the name of a witness (Mike Kurdenok). Anyone who thinks that Huebl wasn’t supplied with this info by Joel Brodsky, needs to reread the post from last August 20, at Huebl’s blog:

    http://www.crimefilenews.com/2008/08/breaking-news-drewpeterson-search.html

    Huebl: “…The search warrant was turned over just today to Peterson’s lawyer Joel Brodsky in discovery material. The name was redacted by Joel Brodsky until such time as he can interview this witness. This excerpt was found on page 10 of the 12 page affidavit…”

    This was followed by a post the next day in which Huebl “outs” the witness by name, gives his address and states that he contacted him by phone.

    http://www.crimefilenews.com/2008/08/what-else-does-mike-kurdenok-knows.html

    Huebl: “…Mike Kurdenok, 38 told police…that he had drinks with Stacy Peterson one night after school…I’d certainly have visited the neighbors at Kurdenok’s house located at 410 4th Ave in Coal City IL and asked them if they ever saw Stacy Peterson before or after she was reported missing…I Called Kurdenok myself at his home telephone number. I told him I was a private investigator working on this case and he quickly slammed the phone on me… “

  49. Man, look at this stuff that is going on, and imagine what poor Kathleen and Stacy had to look forward to. You enter into the world of Drew Peterson, you enter into darkness and evil. He surrounds himself with like kind, heh?

  50. Oh – So this guy was Drew’s private investigator who was looking for Stacy that he spoke about on the Dr. Phil show…

  51. Actually, TAI the person they hired was female — a private investigator named Tina Church, who made numerous calls to Stacy’s cell phone and logged the results. She was hired through the “Other Person’s Advocacy”.The OVA describe themselves as assisting the “other victim”, ie., the family members of those accused, or convicted of a crime.
    http://www.theothervictimsadvocacy.com/team.htm

    AFAIK, Huebl was never officially hired because he asked for a ridiculously high per diem.

  52. I was just being funny. This guy is going around calling witnesses saying he is a private investigator.

  53. thinkaboutit2 :

    I was just being funny. This guy is going around calling witnesses saying he is a private investigator.

    Heh, you should see him when he wears his wig and dresses as a woman. I still don’t get what that’s all about, but, hey, whatever floats your boat. Check him out here in Who’s Who. There’s a nice pic of him wearing his lipstick.

  54. Sorry TAI. I didn’t realize you were joking! I think he actually is a P.I. but that doesn’t mean he’s not a joke when it comes to this case.

    From all indications he was never paid to work for the Peterson defense so it all sounds like more lies…

  55. LOL @ post 73, 79 and the craziness of it all, but at the same time I’m shaking my head in disbelief ……..

  56. Rescue – I have seen that photo of him on his own website IIRC. He is one strange guy as can be determined by his crass new name for his little online personality.

    Facs – I do know he supposedly really is a PI too but he certainly has shown his stripes for jumping to some very odd conclusions with no hard facts so I would personally never hire him for any work I needed.

  57. justanotherhen :
    LOL @ post 73, 79 and the craziness of it all, but at the same time I’m shaking my head in disbelief ……..

    Well this case surely has brought out a full cast of crazy characters. More than any fictional writer could ever come up with!

  58. Well, look at it this way. Huebl was conclusive that Joe Hosey is the leak. He didn’t offer an opinion or explain how he arrived at his conclusion, he stated it as though it were fact. I don’t think Joe much cares what Huebl says or thinks, and probably flicked that icky bug off his shoulder right quick.

    Nonetheless, I have faith that Judge White will look into all of this leak stuff and attempt to get to the bottom of it. I hope it’s struck a major nerve with the judge, and that the anger that it may stir in him will be enough to bring some civility and respect to his courtroom once and for all.

    If this trickery is to be the cause of Peterson winning his freedom, then he should pack his thong swimsuit with him, along with his next 23 year old nitwit, and take off for Bong, Bong, where none of us will have to look at or listen to his disgusting puss ever again.

  59. Nonetheless, I have faith that Judge White will look into all of this leak stuff and attempt to get to the bottom of it. I hope it’s struck a major nerve with the judge, and that the anger that it may stir in him will be enough to bring some civility and respect to his courtroom once and for all.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yeah, what needs to happen before Judge White has enough of the shenanigans and ridicule to discredit/disrespect his Courtroom decisions and amongst other things have sealed documents all over the Press.

  60. In that the judge’s ruling has now been stolen and leaked, along with

    “Another blatant example of Joel breaching the Illinois Rules of Professional Conduct is when he released a portion of his discovery materials to Paul Huebl who then made public the name of a witness (Mike Kurdenok),”

    is anyone else bringing to mind the documents stolen from the ISP car and then made public?
    http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/exclusive_peterson_file
    I’m definitely seeing a trend, now, in this case, and it’s becoming more apparent that this is not somebody just fooling around or getting lucky. These leaks appear to be planned and executed professionally. IMO, it needs to stop and it needs to stop now. IMO, it’s time to let the dogs out.

  61. Rescue, comment # 47: Reading between the lines, I would take that to mean that the leak IMO IMO IMO definitely came from the defense.

    What I would like to know is, when is Judge White FINALLY going to do something about those clowns continually defying the gag order?

    Why did he even bother issuing it if he does nothing every time the bozo brothers do yet another media interview!

    As to the leak being Joe Hosey (nice work nurse paulie!!), I don’t think that is accidental at all that he is making that accusation. The defense seems desperately keen to discredit Hosey for some reason.

  62. Oh Dear!

    I just copped my very first look at nurse paulie on the who’s who list on this site.

    My eyes are just a little bit sore now.

  63. Cheryl, that is exactly what I think and mentioned it before (#87).

    All the stuff with tampering the trial is not in Drew’s interest only, IMO.

  64. LOL Cyrhla…every blog deserves a couple of resident conspiracy theorists.

    I’m also hoping with this delay Kitty and Stacy’s families, and all the prosecution witnesses will have an opportunity to take advantage of the hiatus to have some relaxing fun; to recharge and not to worry.

  65. bucketoftea :LOL Cyrhla…every blog deserves a couple of resident conspiracy theorists.I’m also hoping with this delay Kitty and Stacy’s families, and all the prosecution witnesses will have an opportunity to take advantage of the hiatus to have some relaxing fun; to recharge and not to worry.

    Sadly the delays do not let someone relax or enjoy as I learned waiting about 13-14 months for a pre-trial appeal in the Oswego case. There would be nothing better for Kathleen’s family than the trial being over and them knowing what happens at the end of this chapter. The not knowing and anticipating is tough. And then the reliving everything at trial is even tougher.

  66. rescueapet :
    Hi Bucket.
    That would be Sgt. Collins, I think you’re referring to.

    Thanks. LOL there must be some association in my mind with “P” …..take your p*ick.

    Think, I so sadly know that is the case, but that is my wish for them. Some diversions made of happy things in the meanwhile. So sorry you’ve had to go through similar. *hug*

  67. bucketoftea :
    LOL Cyrhla…every blog deserves a couple of resident conspiracy theorists.

    I blame my BS detector. LOL
    We do not have to be conspiracy theorists to see that the professional courtesy shown to Peterson went beyond any limits. 😉

  68. Hiya Joe..er… Rescue! Too funny reading that they accused you of being Joe! Silly Steve!

    When I heard about the sealed order being leaked, I immediatley thought of the Defense team. They keep getting dumber and dumber, and I see it totally backfiring on them.

    I am begining to get the impression that Judge White doesn’t care anymore. He will be retiring, and IMO – He can’t wait to be done with these clowns.

  69. We know and they know but… I guess it may be a problem for Judge White to blame the defense directly for the leak without apparent evidence. The media often have their own ‘infomants’ in courts and as long as they do not reveal their source (and I am sure they won’t), Brodsky can go away with it. He knows it and takes advantage of it even if he walking on a boggy ground.

  70. Hi ya, Harley.

    I am happy to think, in light of a certain attorney not liking this respectable blog, that they are showing us the legitimacy that is Justice Cafe. By sending off nasty emails to a reporter, and by supplying yet another lie of information to Patsy Paulie Huebl. It shows they do not like us exposing their deceit.

    Huebl does not read Chicago and suburban newspapers because, if he did so, he would not have dishonored himself by posting inaccurate information and lies. Nope, he, too, IMO, relied on the “word” of someone, someone who’s word does not mean the same to them as is does to most of us.

    I am only sorry that I read Huebl’s thread, because it’s minutes in my life I cannot get back, and he and his cronies are not worth my time.

  71. rescueapet :
    Hi ya, Harley.
    I am happy to think, in light of a certain attorney not liking this respectable blog, that they are showing us the legitimacy that is Justice Cafe. By sending off nasty emails to a reporter, and by supplying yet another lie of information to Patsy Paulie Huebl. It shows they do not like us exposing their deceit.
    Huebl does not read Chicago and suburban newspapers because, if he did so, he would not have dishonored himself by posting inaccurate information and lies. Nope, he, too, IMO, relied on the “word” of someone, someone who’s word does not mean the same to them as is does to most of us.
    I am only sorry that I read Huebl’s thread, because it’s minutes in my life I cannot get back, and he and his cronies are not worth my time.

    And Rescue, as I personally, and perhaps others here, have discovered that pitiful joke of a PI and wanna be blogger, doesn’t post any comments made to his blog unless they are favorable to his written opinion. His last article was so full of factual errors if was laughable, and when I tried to point out to him that Kathleen Savio was only exhumed once, not twice, and that Dr. Baden was not the first pathologist to do an autopsy after her exhumation, but the second, he never posted my comments, although he changed his story somewhat to read second autopsy, but it still wasn’t accurate. The only comments he posted were the ones agreeing with with his ridiculous, error filled nonsense. Paul Heubl is a waste of anybody’s time, for any reason, but he fits right in with the lack of principles and ethics displayed by the defense. Real birds of a feather, that group.

  72. Heubl has real problems. His hysterical form of political raving is impossible to even follow for all the non-sequiturs. Real issues, he has. Probably too old to be a reincarnation of J. Edgar Hoover, but they *do* share a love of the pussycat bow.

  73. IMO, Nurse Pauline as well as any other person with a blog has the right to express whatever opinions they like. However their credibility plummets when they attempt to retell events or recap a case with total inaccuracy.

    Huebl has yet another ridiculous, inaccuracy-riddled post up today about the Peterson cases. I’m not even going to start listing the errors. Maybe he just can’t remember much about the cases he’s trying to write about, or maybe he’s intentionally being inaccurate. Whatever the case, it’s clear that his agenda to kiss Brodsky’s ass outweighs any actual interest he may have in the case.

    Not sure what he expects in exchange for his willingness to play along with the defense. They wouldn’t pay him two years ago and I doubt they’ll pay him now.

  74. He’s a flake; it’s not a crime, as you say, but absolutely distortion and confusion is what white noise is supposed to accomplish.

  75. I’ve got to wonder how long has Joel not liked Rescue and Facs….could you be mentioned on the overhears? (!!!!!)

  76. facsmiley :
    IMO, Nurse Pauline as well as any other person with a blog has the right to express whatever opinions they like. However their credibility plummets when they attempt to retell events or recap a case with total inaccuracy.
    Huebl has yet another ridiculous, inaccuracy-riddled post up today about the Peterson cases. I’m not even going to start listing the errors. Maybe he just can’t remember much about the cases he’s trying to write about, or maybe he’s intentionally being inaccurate. Whatever the case, it’s clear that his agenda to kiss Brodsky’s ass outweighs any actual interest he may have in the case.
    Not sure what he expects in exchange for his willingness to play along with the defense. They wouldn’t pay him two years ago and I doubt they’ll pay him now.

    Yeah, all hot air and no substance, as usual. Definitely a waste of time to read, but I expected it to be.

  77. judgin :
    Owwwww, that Nurse Pauli, he be a biiiiig fugly mama!

    He’s just another despicable lump of ferromagnetic material drawn to the likes of Drew.

  78. Hi, CFS. You’ve been missing for a little bit. Good to see you.

    Once again, without being wise, I read the latest column written by whats-his-name. That’s about all I have to say about that. No, that’s not true. I tried to read it, skimmed it, got the gist of it, and clicked out.

    Enough said.

  79. Has anyone noticed the Drew crew has been extremely quiet since the leak?
    Odd very odd, it’s as though somethings brewing. IMO

  80. rescueapet :
    Hi, CFS. You’ve been missing for a little bit. Good to see you.
    Once again, without being wise, I read the latest column written by whats-his-name. That’s about all I have to say about that. No, that’s not true. I tried to read it, skimmed it, got the gist of it, and clicked out.
    Enough said.

    Thanks Rescue. I’ve been stopping by to keep up, but don’t always have time to say hello or comment. Some pretty incredible things coming out of the rumor mill here lately, but it’s not surprising….just disgusting.

  81. Grandam – Well, whatever comes of this, I hope, at the least, the judge calls in all of the attorneys, and anyone else involved in the court system that had access to Judge White’s sealed ruling, and questions them, under oath, as to whether they are involved in handing out his ruling to the reporters. After those involved are questioned, at some point, someone will be a perjurer. Someone will be lying. And, hopefully, some time, they will suffer the consequences. They make me sick.

  82. grandam :
    Has anyone noticed the Drew crew has been extremely quiet since the leak?
    Odd very odd, it’s as though somethings brewing. IMO

    Maybe the Court is working its magic. No story from Joe yet, either.

  83. I see Crimeflies has amended his post, and no longer says that the judgment was leaked by Joe Hosey, saying instead

    “The unthinkable happened when reporters got a copy of the sealed judge’s order and spilled the beans. The big story today is that Judge White actually determined and ruled that Peterson probably murdered two of his wives.”

    If you chaps will forgive another reference to the Italian justice system, accusing someone of a crime you know to be innocent calumnia (calumny) is a criminal as well as a civil offense. (Amanda Knox is awaiting trial for her second similar offense now. Paulie would be investigated forthwith.

  84. BTW I’m a little suspicious about that post and not for the obvious slime-all-the-witnesses reasons. It doesn’t quite read to me like Paulie’s work….

  85. It may only fall under defamation but it’s certainly illegal here as well. If Hosey had suffered from Huebl’s ridiculous lie he could have sued for damages.

    I was going to write something about ‘maybe next time he’ll check his facts’ before writing…but I know that ain’t ever going to happen.

  86. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-0724-downers-cop-20100724,0,5813122.story

    By Art Barnum, Tribune reporter

    July 24, 2010

    A Downers Grove police officer plotted to make a phony traffic stop so he and an associate could rob a drug dealer of as much as $100,000, prosecutors said in court Friday.

    But the associate was working with undercover DuPage County sheriff’s officers, and the Downers Grove officer, Randall J. Caudill Jr., wound up arrested Thursday and charged with four counts of official misconduct.

    Caudill, 34, an 8 1/2-year veteran of the Downers Grove force, remained in DuPage County jail Friday on $200,000 bail.

    Assistant State’s Attorney Helen Kapas Erdman said Caudill, of Bolingbrook, was working with a “source” who claimed the dealer had stolen $30,000 from him. The source — not identified in court — believed the dealer would have $30,000 to $100,000 on him when stopped, Erdman said.

    A plan was concocted in which Caudill would supply the source and another person, who turned out to be an undercover officer, with two badges, Erdman said. He urged the two to get a car with police lights. Caudill would provide backup for them while in uniform and driving a squad car.

    But before Caudill and the others could implement the plan, Caudill was arrested.

    Caudill and the source knew each other because they had worked at a Downers Grove car dealership where Caudill was a security guard, Erdman said. Caudill was to get “a cut” for his help, Erdman said.

    Authorities began investigating Caudill in May after receiving information about alleged illegal activities he was involved in, authorities said. Caudill is accused of using police computers on four separate occasions to get personal information on reputed drug dealers that he was to assist in robbing. DuPage County State’s Attorney Joe Birkett said Thursday that Caudill was “running people’s license plates.”

    read more at the link above

  87. facsmiley :
    It may only fall under defamation but it’s certainly illegal here as well. If Hosey had suffered from Huebl’s ridiculous lie he could have sued for damages.
    I was going to write something about ‘maybe next time he’ll check his facts’ before writing…but I know that ain’t ever going to happen.

    In Italy a victim of calumny wouldn’t have to prove a loss, I don’t think, other than for any financial reparations. The (?)calumnist could still be found guilty, and serve time. Up to six years, I think.

  88. Well, well. Now that Huebl has manned up and taken Joe Hosey’s name out of the paragraph that specifically names him as the reporter who “spilled the beans,” maybe he should re-evaluate how he came to that conclusion. If it was given to him in the hopes that he was more than willing to run with it for their own ridiculous reasons, then shame on him. He might want to consider his sources and how dishonorable they are.

    If he came to these conclusions on his own and meant to hurt Joe Hosey, Huebl might want to back off this story for a while and quit sticking his nose in things he has no clue about.

    Someone handed out that document to other reporters intentionally. It was for the purpose of making sure the media disseminated the negative aspect of the judge’s ruling against Peterson so the defense can now whine about their client’s rights. Like I said, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Huebl had it right — it is a mess now. Who’s the most likely responsible for creating it?

  89. Oh, and how convenient for Huebl to blame any reporter, when it is the “source” that is the one to be held responsible. Go after that POS. Write a blog thread about that, Huebl. Work it out in your head, and try and come to grips with why the “source” did it, and who it is.

    SAY YOU’RE SORRY, HUEBL. SAY IT. MAN UP.

  90. You know a slip like that by Huebl should get the attention of Judge White. I mean, just why did he call out Joe Hosey by name when Hosey did not have the document nor write about its contents?

    Why was he outing a potential witness named in an unreleased portion of the search documents. Why did he then contact this witness and attempt to question him?

    Every document on Huebl’s blog that came from Joel had that same tell-tell blue stripe from the FAX machine.

    Is a subpoena in order? Huebl should have plenty of emails from Joel Brodsky on his hard drive with lots of attachments as well as FAX records…going all the way back to the original gun charges.

  91. Huebl – You know, this blog gets hits from all over the world. But, silly me, I’m bragging. This blog gets lots of local hits too, and, well, one never knows who’s reading here and may sit up and take notice of the obvious. Facs is right. Brodsky supplied Huebl with documents in the past, and you’d have to be as dumb as the day is long to think that the relationship has waned. If anything, I guess it was time for Huebl to play the patsy again.

    Have Scottie beam you up, Huebl. Your work here is done.

  92. Amazing how a supposed “Private Investigator” doesn’t check any facts of his own before putting dangerous spoon fed drivel on the net for everyone to see.

    There’s also no prizes for guessing which bus driving attorney always has issues with Joe Hosey, going back as far as the book deal days – LOL !

    Doesn’t make it too hard to put two and two together ……

  93. Every document on Huebl’s blog that came from Joel had that same tell-tell blue stripe from the FAX machine.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    and Joel states he’s smart and thinks like a chess player – LOL !

  94. Joel says that it’s the prosecution that leaked the documents. Guess what the mouthpiece is saying now?

    Man, I’d hate having to write what other people wanted me say on my own blog. It must be depressing.

  95. rescueapet :
    Oh, and how convenient for Huebl to blame any reporter, when it is the “source” that is the one to be held responsible. Go after that POS. Write a blog thread about that, Huebl. Work it out in your head, and try and come to grips with why the “source” did it, and who it is.
    SAY YOU’RE SORRY, HUEBL. SAY IT. MAN UP.

    Or woman up, we’re not fussy so long as you do the right thing.

  96. facsmiley :

    Joel says that it’s the prosecution that leaked the documents. Guess what the mouthpiece is saying now?

    Man, I’d hate having to write what other people wanted me say on my own blog. It must be depressing.

    Amen.

  97. What kind of actual journalism credentials has he got? None, probably. A blog doesn’t count. I don’t think he’s entitled to not disclose his source. Anyone else know?

  98. Good night, Bucket. As long as you promise to come back. You’re a very interesting blogger, and I enjoy your posts tremendously.

  99. rescueapet :

    facsmiley :
    Joel says that it’s the prosecution that leaked the documents. Guess what the mouthpiece is saying now?
    Man, I’d hate having to write what other people wanted me say on my own blog. It must be depressing.

    Amen.

    What do you expect from someone who advocates murder. He’s calling for the killing of ALL Socialists and Communists in this country. What a nutcase! Wonder how he would feel if he, or someone in his family, were being targeted for killing based on what they thought and believed?

  100. cfs7360: What do you expect from someone who advocates murder. He’s calling for the killing of ALL Socialists and Communists in this country. What a nutcase! Wonder how he would feel if he, or someone in his family, were being targeted for killing based on what they thought and believed?

    I expect Judge White to address this leak issue, or at least give it the attention he should. Since the sealed ruling is due to his order, then common sense would indicate this is his mess to sort out. Sure hope so.

  101. Me too. I hope no one has even been dreaming of trying to out any more witnesses or any such thing! 🙄

  102. rescueapet :

    cfs7360: What do you expect from someone who advocates murder. He’s calling for the killing of ALL Socialists and Communists in this country. What a nutcase! Wonder how he would feel if he, or someone in his family, were being targeted for killing based on what they thought and believed?

    I expect Judge White to address this leak issue, or at least give it the attention he should. Since the sealed ruling is due to his order, then common sense would indicate this is his mess to sort out. Sure hope so.

    I only hope he does Rescue. Seems to me, the defense should have been reined in months ago re the gag order. Give ’em an inch and they take a mile. I do hope though, that Judge White goes after the entire lot of them for leaking his sealed ruling, whoever they may be. And that scuzball PI should be sued for slander for writing lies as though they’re fact. Somebody will file charges against him sooner or later, I bet.

  103. cyrhla :

    bucketoftea :
    http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/bolingbrooksun/news/2296882,6_1_NA21_PETERSON_S1-100521.article
    This appears to have been removed.

    I wonder why.

    Cyrhla – Many/most of the Sun Times articles, including the suburban edition stories, are only available online for a certain period of time. After that, they’re archived. In fact, that’s why we always want to put the actual articles on the blog, with the link, of course, so that if it does “fall off” of the web page and the link is dead, it’s always to be found on Justice Cafe.

  104. After reading this guy’s reports:
    ttp://www.crimefilenews.com/search/label/Drew%20peterson

    Things are not looking good for the Hearsay Law. It’s difficult to argue against the constitution. It looks like Peterson will be escaping prosecution altogether.

    Glasgow is doing all he can but he has no body, cause of death or a viable suspect in the case of Stacy. With Kathleen he has the original autopsy with findings that don’t and now two others conducted years later under impossible conditions with different findings.

    Even if Kathleen was murdered and they could prove that, they still have to prove that Peterson did it and hearsay is the weakest of all evidence if it is allowed.

    I have to say I’m convinced Peterson will walk free if some evidence is not found soon. Even if they find Stacy’s body the must prove cause and manner of death, and then find the evidence that it was Peterson who killed her.

    This is a nearly impossible task.

  105. rescueapet :

    cyrhla :

    bucketoftea :
    http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/bolingbrooksun/news/2296882,6_1_NA21_PETERSON_S1-100521.article
    This appears to have been removed.

    I wonder why.

    Cyrhla – Many/most of the Sun Times articles, including the suburban edition stories, are only available online for a certain period of time. After that, they’re archived. In fact, that’s why we always want to put the actual articles on the blog, with the link, of course, so that if it does “fall off” of the web page and the link is dead, it’s always to be found on Justice Cafe.

    Your explanation is much too simple, rescue. You ruined my new conspirancy theory. Bucket how could you do that to me?!LOL

    Seriously, I did not catch it is all about an old article and though something new has been removed. We have heat wave here and my brain is working much slower than my fingers…

  106. facsmiley :
    Don’t tell me our Midwest weather has made it’s way to Poland? Oy vey!

    I guess this is rather Poland to blame for the weather in IL as we have had temperatures much above 100F for the last four weeks. We blame Italy and Russia LOL. Lots of really severe thunderstorms and rainfalls like in IL recently.
    Luckily, it is getting a little bit colder though they say we should expect another flooding soon. The one we had two months ago was really serious and not experienced to such a degree for 160 years.

    So I feel and keep my fingers crossed for all of you suffering from high temperatures 🙂

  107. lawdogryan :

    After reading this guy’s reports:
    ttp://www.crimefilenews.com/search/label/Drew%20peterson

    Things are not looking good for the Hearsay Law. It’s difficult to argue against the constitution. It looks like Peterson will be escaping prosecution altogether.

    Glasgow is doing all he can but he has no body, cause of death or a viable suspect in the case of Stacy. With Kathleen he has the original autopsy with findings that don’t and now two others conducted years later under impossible conditions with different findings.

    Even if Kathleen was murdered and they could prove that, they still have to prove that Peterson did it and hearsay is the weakest of all evidence if it is allowed.

    I have to say I’m convinced Peterson will walk free if some evidence is not found soon. Even if they find Stacy’s body the must prove cause and manner of death, and then find the evidence that it was Peterson who killed her.

    This is a nearly impossible task.

    I agree that the hearsay law is problematic and it looks as if the State is having a hard time getting hearsay statements into the trial for Kathleen’s murder, but I’m not going to fault them for taking advantage of the law while it is on the books. They only have one stab at a conviction and are smart to use whatever resources they can. IMO there is a lot of circumstantial evidence (the attempt to get a hit on his wife, the orchestrated discovery of her body which went against police protocol, even the lame investigation by the ISP at the time…) and remember that the original autopsy did not find that Kathleen’s death was accidental. That determination came from a coroner’s jury of lay people who convened for all of 45 minutes and heard the testimony of an officer who was never at the death scene.

    As for Stacy, we shall see. I couldn’t venture a guess at what evidence may be found if/when her remains are discovered but what they find will be added to some strong witness testimony. Tom Morphey will have plenty to say and his testimony is not hearsay.

    No offense meant, but if you are seriously interested in this case and would like to continue to discuss; I’d suggest you look to actual case documentation, media reports and legal resources — rather than the blog that you cited.

    Paul Huebl and his blog are not credible. His personal involvement with the defense team of Drew Peterson (in particular Joel Brodsky) is documented. Just search site comments for “Pauly”, “Nurse Pauline” or “Huebl” and you will find a history of involvement going back to the original gun charges. His posts are also rife with factual errors. Not a credible source.

  108. Lawdogryan: I have to say I’m convinced Peterson will walk free if some evidence is not found soon. Even if they find Stacy’s body the must prove cause and manner of death, and then find the evidence that it was Peterson who killed her.

    This is a nearly impossible task.

    Umm, and you know this how? You know that the investigation and Grand Jury proceedings did not uncover any evidence that it was Peterson that may be made Stacy disappear? Interesting.

    I’m sorry, Lawdogryan, but if you have solved both of these cases by concluding that Peterson will walk free after reading “this guy’s reports,” I’m going to have to respectfully decline to give consideration to your comments. Huebl rants like a raving lunatic, and can’t keep his facts straight to save himself.

    However, if you have knowledge of the investigations into both Kathleen’s death and Stacy’s disappearance, and are comfortable with the idea that Peterson will be walking free, I, for one, would be just thrilled to hear what you have. Other than Huebl’s blog.

  109. Huebl is just another member of the team wearing “I am a legend in my own mind” sticker on his (big) forehead.

    His own criminal case was really interesting for me to read. Particularly its ending with a out-of-the-moon witness showing up in the court in almost last second. Real cliffhanger!

  110. Hi Lawdogryan
    You couldn’t do better than to go back and read this blog (Justice Cafe) from the beginning. It’s all here in one form or another.

    Crimefiles has nothing to contribute; way too many inaccuracies to be taken seriously. His coverage is very superficial so not very helpful to you if you’re after a lucid and truthful account. His agenda regarding guns and birth certificates and so on should be a big clue about where he’s coming from. 😉

  111. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7575041

    Peterson attys want weapons charge dropped
    Updated at 07:58 AM today

    July 26, 2010

    (JOLIET, Ill.) (WLS) — Drew Peterson’s defense team is scheduled to return to Will County court Monday morning to try and have an unlawful weapons charge against him dropped.

    Peterson’s attorney plans to use the recent Supreme Court decision that overturned Chicago’s handgun ban in his motion to dismiss.

    Peterson was charged with possessing a rifle shorter than the legal length.

    Peterson remains behind bars, charged with the murder of his third wife, Kathleen Savio. He’s also suspected in the disappearance of his fourth wife, Stacy. He denies any involvement in either case.

  112. I don’t know what the recent Supreme Court decision has to do with the length of Drew Peterson’s rifle, but I guess we’ll find that out today. I do know that Walter Maksym is behind a lawsuit against the City of Chicago for all these past years that the ban was in effect, but now overturned. I suppose he has something to do with this. Still, it’s their job to get the charges dropped, or get him off, so this is just par for the course.

  113. You are correct. Whats the new law have to do with a rifle, when it’s a hand gun law? Do they know the difference?

  114. also i do recall the the chief of police stated that the rifle that thay found was illegal to have cause the barrel was 3/8 of an inch to short.

  115. TAI – I think this is mainly a scheduling hearing, although there is a motion being presented to dismiss the case. Not sure if she’d rule on that or not.

  116. The motion to dismiss the case is the part that I was wondering about if this would work in Drew’s advantage or not.

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  118. FYI: Joe Hosey talked to Brodsky today, and says he is doing a story. They discussed the leak, and Brodsky now brought up Joe Birkett now. So, Joe framed a question to him asking hhim if he’s accusing Joe Birkett as being the source of the leak. Brodsky said he’s not accusing him of being the leak, but he has his “suspicions.” Seems he thinks the leaks started after it came out that Glasgow spoke to his office about the recent Hanson ruling. Brodsky claims no one on his team has admitted to being the leak.

    Someone might want to change their “facts” again on their blog.

  119. Looks like the 23rd of August should be a busy day all around. That is also the day that all will be meeting in Judge White’s courtroom for a status regarding the appeal in the Savio case. At least, that’s the way I understand it.

  120. Brodsky wants Peterson’s gun charge dropped

    July 26, 2010
    By JOE HOSEY jhosey@stmedianetwork.com

    JOLIET — One of Drew Peterson’s lawyers pushed to have the disgraced former cop’s felony gun charge dropped but won’t get to plead his case for another month.

    Joel Brodsky, the only one of Peterson’s six attorneys to show up to court Monday, filed a pair of motions to have the gun charge dismissed.

    Richard Schoenstedt, the judge presiding over the case, was not in court Monday. Judge Amy Bertani-Tomczak accepted Brodsky’s motions, told Assistant State’s Attorney John Connor to have a motion prepared by Tuesday and scheduled an Aug. 23 hearing for both sides to argue.

    Peterson is charged with possessing an assault weapon with a barrel shorter than the state-mandated 16 inches. Brodsky has insisted Peterson is immune from prosecution because he carried the weapon while serving on the Bolingbrook Police Department.

    That supposed immunity is the basis of one of Brodsky’s motions. On Aug. 23, Brodsky will also argue that the Second Amendment gives Peterson the right to own the rifle.

    The August hearing is set for the same day Peterson is due in court for Judge Stephen White to get an update on how the appeals process is going in the alleged serial wife-killer’s murder trial.

    Peterson is charged with killing his third wife, Kathleen Savio, in March 2004. He is also suspected of slaying his missing fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, but faces no criminal charges in connection with her death or disappearance.

    The trial is on hold while State’s Attorney James Glasgow appeals White’s ruling on what hearsay statements will be allowed to be presented to the jury.

    White’s ruling was filed under seal to protect the integrity of the jury prior to the trial. But Brodsky has complained about the ruling being leaked to the media and said last week it was done by prosecutors to turn public opinion against Peterson.

    Brodsky explained that for the judge to let in any hearsay evidence at all, he must believe Peterson likely killed both wives, and claimed that prosecutors want the public to think the worst of his client.

    But on Monday, Brodsky shifted the blame and accused DuPage County State’s Attorney Joe Birkett of talking to the press.

    “My understanding is Birkett had a copy and the timing is suspicious, because all the leaks started after he started consulting with Mr. Glasgow,” Brodsky said.

    Immediately after laying the blame squarely on Birkett, Brodsky said, “I’m not accusing him,” then added, “The timing is suspicious.”

    Birkett’s spokesman, Paul Darrah, failed to return calls for comment. But Glasgow’s spokesman, Charles B. Pelkie, refuted Brodsky’s allegations.

    “(Birkett) doesn’t have a copy of the ruling,” Pelkie said. “It’s absurd.

    http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/bolingbrooksun/news/2535032,Peterson-Brodsky-gun-charge-JO072610.article

  121. Raise your hand if you want to have a turn at taking blame for leaking the document. You can get your name in the paper for a while, until the next guy is blamed.

    I think the heat is getting to someone.

  122. From the reversal decision:

    The PEOPLE of the State of Illinois, Plaintiff-Appellant,
    v.
    Drew PETERSON, Defendant-Appellee.

    No. 3-08-1025.
    Appellate Court of Illinois, Third District.

    February 10, 2010

    CONCLUSION

    We reverse the judgment of the Will County circuit court granting defendant’s motion to compel discovery on the vindictive prosecution claim and dismissing the criminal charges. The matter is remanded to the circuit court for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

    Reversed and remanded.

    O’BRIEN and SCHMIDT, JJ., concur.

    I just can’t help contrasting this with a FB comment Joel made back in March 2009:

    …This was taken right after we won the weapons case. Like Aristotle said “winning is better than losing”.

    Lesson: It’s not over until the appellate court sings.

  123. rescueapet :
    Raise your hand if you want to have a turn at taking blame for leaking the document. You can get your name in the paper for a while, until the next guy is blamed.
    I think the heat is getting to someone.

    Well whoever it was next time needs to forego the generic Pampers and get the good ones with leak guard.

  124. Blimey. That Joel’s got the proverbial brass neck to accuse (which is what it amounts to) Birkett. That’s pretty freakin desperate. What’s his particular beef with Birkett? (somehow I think we’ll find out in due course)

  125. Actually, the 16″ rule is federal law, too, not Chicago’s-or maybe I should say only Chicago’s, or Illinois law.
    By federal, legal definition. a rifle is 16″ or longer, a shotgun is 18″ or longer, and there is an overall length requirement of 26″, as well.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

    Short barreled rifles (SBRs) – this category includes any firearm with a buttstock and either a rifled barrel under 16″ long or an overall length under 26″. The overall length is measured with any folding or collapsing stocks in the extended position. The category also includes firearms which came from the factory with a buttstock that was later removed by a third party.

    ***
    I’m wondering if this could go up the legal ladder to the federal court level, if the feds are so inclined.

  126. “in the Hanson case the Illinois Supreme Court discussed issues with regard to applying the hearsay exception and stated that “we now expressly recognize that the doctrine (of Forfeiture by Wrongdoing) serves both as an exception to the hearsay rule and to extinguish confrontation clause claims.

    http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/peterson/2475202,Peterson-trial-delay_JO070710.article

    That’s pretty firm. I think that means they will entertain no more appeals on confrontation grounds. None.

  127. More craziness from Joel.

    Why is it his “mission” to expose the leak ?

    You’d think the Prosecution and Judge have a much more vested interest in getting to the bottom of this than Joel publicly pointing a finger at everyone and anyone in his field of vision.

    Is it Joels “strategy” to utter bizarre accusations loud enough and often enough so no one will look his way – LOL !

  128. Richard Schoenstedt, the judge presiding over the case, was not in court Monday. Judge Amy Bertani-Tomczak accepted Brodsky’s motions, told Assistant State’s Attorney John Connor to have a motion prepared by Tuesday and scheduled an Aug. 23 hearing for both sides to argue.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    It will be interesting to see if Joel is going to be ready by then considering he’s never ready for anything, yet insists on the right to speedy trials after he gets them deferred forever and when a date is finally set he’s still never ready and wants more time !

    It makes you wonder what does he actually do from 10 am to 10 pm every day of the week ??

  129. JB probably looks in the mirror and tells himself, ‘I’ am a good lawyer, I ‘am’ a good lawyer, I am a ‘good’ lawyer, I am a good ‘lawyer’!

  130. judgin :
    JB probably looks in the mirror and tells himself, ‘I’ am a good lawyer, I ‘am’ a good lawyer, I am a ‘good’ lawyer, I am a good ‘lawyer’!

    LOL, judgin.
    [more advanced option for future: Joel hitting his head against the mirror and screaming ‘I’ am a good lawyer, I ‘am’ a good lawyer, I am a ‘good’ lawyer, I am a good ‘lawyer’]

  131. But on Monday, Brodsky shifted the blame and accused DuPage County State’s Attorney Joe Birkett of talking to the press.

    “My understanding is Birkett had a copy and the timing is suspicious, because all the leaks started after he started consulting with Mr. Glasgow,” Brodsky said.

    Immediately after laying the blame squarely on Birkett, Brodsky said, “I’m not accusing him,” then added, “The timing is suspicious.”

    That’s funny. You see, by “understanding” that Birkett had a copy of Judge White’s ruling, that would indicate to me it’s impossible to make that assessment without knowing how it was physically passed on to Birkett by someone. If Brodsky can opinionate that Birkett was in possession of a copy of a sealed ruling, then he is relying either on “someone” telling him that, or he came to the conclusion that the State violated the judge’s sealed ruling order by freely giving up a copy to Birkett. Maybe he’s implying that they did so with the understanding that he would leak it for them. In the latter, he’s shifting direct blame from the State to Birkett now.

    In the make believe world of Joel Brodsky, by doing so, Birkett jeopardized seating an impartial jury in Will County, and possibly even further tainted public opinion against Peterson. Strange, this would play better into the hands of the defense, who have argued for change of venue and moaning about negative publicity that affects the defendant’s rights to a fair trial.

    As an officer of the court, if Brodsky knows or it’s his understanding that Birkett was graciously supplied with a copy of Judge White’s sealed ruling, is it not his obligation to notify the court or contact the ARDC with his information? He’s not going to just stand by and let this absurd turn of events happen without taking charge, is he?

    Or is he just going to continue to lie, like Greenberg did on Fox News, and make up scenarios in press statements, because he can’t argue a winning point in court? Hell, he can’t even stay awake long enough to do so.

  132. Cop talk identifies homicide victim

    July 27, 2010
    By JOE HOSEY jhosey@stmedianetwork.com

    JOLIET — Two retired cops talking shop at a party led to the identification of the bones found 14 months ago on the banks of the Des Plaines River.

    DNA testing on the skeletal remains discovered outside Channahon in May 2009 showed they are all that is left of Scott Dudko, a Woodridge man who was last seen alive in December 2008…

    Read more:
    http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/2536730,4_1_JO27_BODY_S1-100727.article

    Closure for one family. It’s sad that it was nine months before he was reported as missing.

  133. Well – it looks like the remains along the DesPlaines have not turned out to be John Spira either in spite of their hopes that his wife provided the wrong toothbrush for testing…

    Two retired cops talking shop at a party led to the identification of the bones found 14 months ago on the banks of the Des Plaines River.

    DNA testing on the skeletal remains discovered outside Channahon in May 2009 showed they are all that is left of Scott Dudko, a Woodridge man who was last seen alive in December 2008.

    I feel for John Spira’s family because I thought they were getting more DNA testing done after thinking that the wrong toothbrush was provided. :/

  134. Take a look at the cover of Dan Budenz’s book, “Analyzing Monsters”. He actually has a photo of Drew as a wanted poster on a tree (well…some sort of photoshopped pic of Drew in the stars and stripes bandanna) and has subtitled the book “The Drew Peterson saga”:

  135. If you want to see the first few pages of Dr Dan’s book, you can click through the preview on the UK Amazon site. I’m warning you, you will need a heavy dose of ibuprofen afterwards. His writing makes no sense. I am not kidding nor being spiteful. It switches direction, subject and tense from one paragraph to another.

    He also makes statements that I’ve seen nowhere else like, Joel and Drew had Armstrong write a book in hopes of making money to defray Drew’s legal costs. Joel, Drew and Armstrong have all sworn up and down that neither Drew nor Joel were receiving any money from the sales of the book. Etc. etc.

    http://tinyurl.com/2dcbx48

    Looks like you can see a lot of it here as well:

    I don’t need to explain further that this was self-published, do I?

  136. Well, I can’t stop laughing. Have they introduced Quick Release Armstrong to Walter “Hands in Plain View” Maksym?

  137. My favorite excerpt so far:

    “Joel obviously had the most facts of this case and he still believes in Drew’s innocence. Each wild accustation and story that was debunked seemed to cement his or her relationship. Brodsky definitely was not being a typical defense attorney defending a probably guilty client.”

    I just want to know which one is the girl…

  138. LOL that is so funny. Looks like he thought up a sentence he thought sounded good but hadn’t quite figured out how to apply it.

  139. I just keep thinking, why would you want to take credit for assembling Drew’s media machine? So you can brag that you were the asshole?

    (cue Christian Bale ranting, “Oh, good for you!!”)

  140. LOL.
    Now I can understand the incredible involvement of the (only left) Drew’s defense member. Two great personalities met together.

  141. facsmiley :
    I just keep thinking, why would you want to take credit for assembling Drew’s media machine? So you can brag that you were the asshole?
    (cue Christian Bale ranting, “Oh, good for you!!”)

    And he couldn’t seem to make up his mind if he wanted to spell Selig’s name Glen or Glenn, even in the same paragraph.

    I agree Facs. It looks like self publishing to me too, or else whoever proofed it just lied and said they did.

  142. Under Motive, which is on page 279, it says that Kathleen Savio was awarded custody of the two youngest children–Anthony and Lacy as part of winding down divorce settlement. Does this guy even know this family??

  143. charmed4sr :

    Under Motive, which is on page 279, it says that Kathleen Savio was awarded custody of the two youngest children–Anthony and Lacy as part of winding down divorce settlement. Does this guy even know this family??

    No. He’s the worst kind of opportunistic parasite.

  144. rescueapet :
    Charmed – Isn’t that awful that he, like Huebl, can’t keep his facts straight?

    Obviously, they don’t even know the facts to begin with. As far as I’m concerned, it just validates the sort of people who flock to the likes of Drew Peterson. Fame whores, the lot of them.

  145. I am happy that Scott’s family has closure, this being very cflose to my heart,God Bless Scott and his family. I know we all hoped that it was Stacy,or Lisa, or John, but I feel like I helped in a very small way to give closure to this family.

  146. The text inside the book is as bizarre as the cover and title and “Dr.Dan” sure likes to talk about himself a lot.

    I’ve never seen authors integrate themselves in their stories as much as Dr. Dan does, but what do I know, maybe we need to know all this to be well informed – LOL !

    Anyway Dr. Dan does give the game away nicely about the reason behind various “book deals” involving the Defense Team, in the following passage:

    “The Defense Team hoped their would be enough money from book sales to help offset the massive legal fees to come”

    Needless to say that didn’t happen as Mrs. Brodsky is selling her handbags and shoes on E-Bay, Joel is selling his bike and is known to peddle chicken wings for a living and Drew is trying to squeeze $ 200.000.00 out of Chase Bank, so the book sales must have fallen pretty short by the look of it (!!)

  147. This is so typical of the lack of personal knowledge most of the mopes associated with the Drew Peterson case have. One of the nitwits fed Sneed some tidbit information about how “close” one of Peterson’s sons is to his dad. How this son graduated from Bolingbrook High School at the top of his class.

    The nitwit needs to check his facts if he’s going to share personal information about the Peterson family. Peterson’s son is entering his senior year this coming semester.

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/2541366,CST-NWS-SNEED28.article

    Duh.

  148. rescueapet :
    This is so typical of the lack of personal knowledge most of the mopes associated with the Drew Peterson case have. One of the nitwits fed Sneed some tidbit information about how “close” one of Peterson’s sons is to his dad. How this son graduated from Bolingbrook High School at the top of his class.
    The nitwit needs to check his facts if he’s going to share personal information about the Peterson family. Peterson’s son is entering his senior year this coming semester.
    http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/2541366,CST-NWS-SNEED28.article
    Duh.

    Funny how these “mopes” all KNOW Drew is innocent, but they don’t know squat about anything else in his life.

  149. Hi CFS.

    You know, funny thing, each day gets sillier and sillier with these mopes who claim they know what there is to know about Peterson’s case, his personal life, how his rights are being trampled, and on and on.

    Let’s see. Huebl named a reporter specifically to bring attention to him and make him look like an evil monger, who hopelessly tainted the case against Peterson. Then he changed it to a no-name reporter, and then on to blaming the State for the mess. While this is all going on in his ramblings, Brodsky has moved on to putting blame squarely on Birkett.

    We move on to Budenz, who’s hanging on for dear life by trying to market a book with Drew Peterson’s name attached to it as an aid to sell it. To make it come up in the Google searches. Sly sneak, isn’t he? Except, in his infinite wisdom, he has Lacy and Anthony listed as the children of Kathleen and Drew. He believes in alien space ships. One of those ships forgot to pick him up and take him back with them, where he belongs.

    Now we’ve got Sneed’s source, who, I can safely assume, is none other than Walter Maksym He’s been quoted in her column before, and she even had his birthday listed in her column the other day. You know, the guy who just was beside himself that he couldn’t share Christmas cookies with Peterson while he was visiting him. Yet another ninkompoop who thinks he knows what he’s talking about.

    I don’t care what any of these idiots think of my portrayal of them, because my views are accurate. One only has to read anything that is attached to their names and see that they are merely filling up space on paper. Inaccurate, false, lies, embellishments, call it what you will, they’re full of crap.

  150. rescueapet :
    One only has to read anything that is attached to their names and see that they are merely filling up space on paper. Inaccurate, false, lies, embellishments, call it what you will, they’re full of crap.

    Amen Sister. Couldn’t agree more. Interesting thing is, they’re all after the same thing, which is to use Drew to further their own agendas. Not a sincere or honest one in the entire cluster of nuts.

  151. rescueapet :Wonder which it is? Are these guys misinformed,un-informed, or just plain, flat-out liars?

    All of the above… they prove it every day!

    We recognize it and let them know they ain’t foolin anybody!

  152. Most of these misinformed and uninformed people or plain liars on Drew’s way to the hell are more or less in financial troubles and count on any opportunity (=miracle) to solve them. Those who are not and just treat it as an interesting case worth to dig in, quickly leave his fun club or do not even want to join it anymore.
    Desperate people rarely think about their reputation and often do not even feel what it means to have a backbone. They simply try to sell BS as diamond rings and wonder why their potential customers are disgusted. I strongly believe one day they will pay for it. Karma.

    Budenz is just one of them. He has no licence to counsel children and made a fool of himself. His domain are alcohol and addiction problems. His book is a joke and I wonder if it was really him who wrote it.

  153. I totally believe Budenz wrote his own book. Why doubt it? It’s a mess of disconnection and misspelling. You don’t need someone else to do that for you.

    The ridiculous error of saying that Kathleen was due to get custody of Stacy’s two young children makes it an even more hideous thought that this is the same man who counseled the kids and told Peterson it was fine to tell them Stacy was ‘on vaction’.

    Trying to profit from old ties to a celebrity suspect by writing a book is one thing. Inserting yourself into the family and acting as some sort of sham counselor to his children is just unforgivable. Even worse, of course, is that Drew allowed this to happen rather than taking his kids to a licensed child psychologist.

    Your wife is missing and you allow an addictions specialist and his literacy expert wife to examine and counsel your children?

  154. Maybe I am wrong about Budenz not being the author of the book. Maybe he actually wrote it but was not able to get through to read it and correct the mistakes. That must be he explanation as he claims to have know Drew for 20 years and to have spent thousands of hours on conversations with Drews. LOL

  155. For the record, he doesn’t claim to have known Drew for 20 years (at least not consecutively). He says that they worked together at a Burger King and a hospital in the 70s then lost touch until he heard about Stacy Peterson going missing and wondered if it was the same Drew Peterson he had known. So, apparently Budenz contacted him “several decades” after their initial acquaintance and masterminded the whole media package idea. He introduced Drew to Glenn Selig, advised Joel and Drew to get a book written, counselled the kids and made public statements via Selig’s press release service stating that the kids were in ‘good hands’. Christ.

    The book he has now published is just the rotten cherry on top of the shit sundae.

  156. facsmiley :
    For the record, he doesn’t claim to have known Drew for 20 years (at least not consecutively). He says that they worked together at a Burger King and a hospital in the 70s then lost touch until he heard about Stacy Peterson going missing and wondered if it was the same Drew Peterson he had known. So, apparently Budenz contacted him “several decades” after their initial acquaintance and masterminded the whole media package idea. He introduced Drew to Glenn Selig, advised Joel and Drew to get a book written, counselled the kids and made public statements via Selig’s press release service stating that the kids were in ‘good hands’. Christ.

    LOL, Facs.

  157. facsmiley :
    I totally believe Budenz wrote his own book. Why doubt it? It’s a mess of disconnection and misspelling. You don’t need someone else to do that for you.

    Such a renowned therapist would not have published a book with so many errors for the sake of his global reputation. What will now other renowned therapist think about him? He must have looked for help and employed a student. ;).

    Budenz could be a good therapist for Drew in the past, but called him 20 years too late. LOL

  158. LOL, Facs @ #240.

    Make no mistake about one thing, if Budenz, the famous Drew Peterson child expert, ever had a legitimate degree in psychology, he sure doesn’t now. There is no state licensing information to be found about Dr. Dude. He boasts all these credentials he has in counseling for addictive behavior, and claims to have his own facilities, but a licensed psychologist that does not make.

    And, yes, still, the question is how does a guy who believes in space aliens qualify as an expert to counsel Drew Peterson’s young children after the heart wrenching disappearance of their mom? Not to mention he’s trying to turn his so-called experiences with the Peterson family into a profit-making scheme.

    Profit making scheme. Where have I heard that before?n

  159. rescueapet :
    LOL, Facs @ #240.
    Make no mistake about one thing, if Budenz, the famous Drew Peterson child expert, ever had a legitimate degree in psychology, he sure doesn’t now. There is no state licensing information to be found about Dr. Dude. He boasts all these credentials he has in counseling for addictive behavior, and claims to have his own facilities, but a licensed psychologist that does not make.
    And, yes, still, the question is how does a guy who believes in space aliens qualify as a qualified expert to counsel Drew Peterson’s young children after the heart wrenching disappearance of their mom? Not to mention he’s trying to turn his so-called experiences with the Peterson family into a profit-making scheme.
    Profit making scheme. Where have I heard that before?

    Supposedly, he got his Doctorate at Union University “sometime” in the 70’s, but now he’s concentrating more on being a Dr. Phil wannabe….you know, with the celebrity status, etc., instead of licensed clinical work. These folks who flock to Drew all seem to want to ride his coattail to celebrity and fame. It’s as though they think that by association, he’s going to make them all famous millionaires. Yeah right. Proof of stupidity is what I think.

    http://www.i-newswire.com/celebrity-shrink-tm-dr-dan-budenz/a156750

  160. CFS – yeah, but doctorate of what? I’m not sure he ever was licensed as a psychologist. I think we researched this before, or I remember doing something on it, and I don’t recall coming up with anything that indicated he was. He’s a mystery man that pumps up his volume.

  161. rescueapet :
    CFS – yeah, but doctorate of what? I’m not sure he ever was licensed as a psychologist. I think we researched this before, or I remember doing something on it, and I don’t recall coming up with anything that indicated he was. He’s a mystery man that pumps up his volume.

    Doctorate of Psychology, according to the link I posted, but I’ve no clue about where, or if, he was licensed to practice his “trade.” The info in that link was probably composed by him, so who knows how accurate it really is?

  162. By the way, according to the Union University website, there is no PhD in Psychology even offered, so there you go. Maybe it was in the 70’s, but as I said, who really knows with that guy?

  163. “Renowned Psychotherapist

    That’s what he calls himself on his celebrity curriculum vitae. We’ve searched the Internet a few times for information about this guy being a licensed clinical psychologist, and there is nowhere to be found that information.

    He has been licensed as a Psychotherapist, Supervisory Addictions Counselor III, Forensic Therapist and International Addictions Specialist over his 30-year career. Now his full time devotion has morphed to a Consumer Advocate Reporter (with a ‘comedic tough love flair’) fighting for “Family Cures” ™.

    IMO, he’s never been licensed as a psychologist. If he was, he lost his license or it lapsed (strange that he would do that). He’s been a lot of other things, and apparently thinks he can call himself doctor because he claims he fulfilled a doctorate degree, but that’s his opinion.

    If (we know he does) he reads here, he’s welcome to post the link to his alma mater or proof that he was or is a licensed psychologist, but, as of this time, he’s a Drew Peterson groupie who’s embellishing the facts.

    I went to the College of Hogwarts, and I have a degree in bullshit. Does that work for anyone?

  164. cfs7360 :

    By the way, according to the Union University website, there is no PhD in Psychology even offered, so there you go. Maybe it was in the 70′s, but as I said, who really knows with that guy?

    I remember when we looked into this. It is odd and you would think a PhD would be something you would be proud to document a little more explicitly than he does on his various web sites and blogs. How about an exact year?

    “1970s – Completes Doctorate Degree in Psychology from Union University”
    http://onlinerehabclinic.com/?page_id=7

  165. facsmiley :
    The Spira story is from last month. I think it may have been linked to before.

    Yeah – It has been out here when it first came out and also I think I mentioned it the other day when another article came out that stated that the remains found in Channahon are definitely not John Spira’s either (in spite of his family looking for a different DNA test).

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=channahon&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wn

  166. I found this on acandyrose.com

    “About Dr. Dan Budenz: Daniel T Budenz, Ph.D. is a certified professional counselor and a certified alcohol and drug counselor and certified instructor and internationally certified addictions counselor. He and his staff have treated hundreds of high profile families, celebrities, sports, medical, legal and political figures. In Chicago, Dr. Dan helped establish and coordinate the Hines VA addictions program, served as chief psychologist/director of Loretto Hospital’s Inpatient and Outpatient Services that he set up. He also ran a private practice for a brief period at Forrest Psychiatric Hospital.”

    Here it says, as noted, he served as “chief psychologist…”

    On his celeb CV, it says:

    Established inpatient and outpatient addictions services at Loretto Hospital in Chicago

    Completes Doctorate Degree in Psychology from Union University

    Funny, he doesn’t call himself a psychologist; merely says he completed his Doctorate Degree in Psychology. He absolutely, totally ignores, on this complete CV, any mention of being a psychologist.

    Liar, liar, pants on fire.

  167. Let’s see, we have an addiction/UFO expert, an orgasm expert, a few stand-up comedians, a shark, a book author-turned journalist, and a 23 year old fiance or two.

    I’d say, as a whole, this group about covers whatever the needs are of the defendant. It’s all good now.

  168. rescueapet :
    Let’s see, we have an addiction/UFO expert, an orgasm expert, a few stand-up comedians, a shark, a book author-turned journalist, and a 23 year old fiance or two.
    I’d say, as a whole, this group about covers whatever the needs are of the defendant. It’s all good now.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha

  169. cfs7360 :

    rescueapet :
    Let’s see, we have an addiction/UFO expert, an orgasm expert, a few stand-up comedians, a shark, a book author-turned journalist, and a 23 year old fiance or two.
    I’d say, as a whole, this group about covers whatever the needs are of the defendant. It’s all good now.

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha

    LOL, yes that just about sums it up !

  170. Funny how these people always inadvertently out themselves and each other in their quest of Grandiosity !

    You’d think they read each others books (LOL) and take note what they’ve said and put in print prior to completely contradicting themselves in new books and statements (!!)

  171. It is time someone is going to put Joel to task how much money the Defense Team collected from book sales, as has been the case according to Dr. Budenz in his new book (!!)

  172. Something’s been on my mind since the Peoria investigation and I’ve not mentioned it because, yes, it’s flaky. One of the “psychic” posts long ago described an area with a river and large iron gates “…there are other people buried here…is it a cemetery?” I know, I know….it just stuck in my mind.

    I still find it bothersome that there’s a Drew connection to Spira. You can all scroll on now.I feel better to get it off my chest. LOL

  173. I’m feeling so bad for Staphanie McNeil, Spira’s sister. Frustrating must indeed be inadequate to describe what that feels like. More power to your arm, Stephanie. I’m wishing for more support for you from anyone who can really help, but I suppose it will take more time.

  174. Thanks for the research and information, Cyrhla.

    Clearly, what is there to say? He claims he was qualified to counsel young children in the midst of a terrible situation. Now he emerges as a money-grubbing Drew Peterson groupie.

    Well, Brodsky did say, early on, that the media and publicity were going to be relevant in Drew Peterson’s case, and he was right about that. About the only thing he’s been right about. He’s a media whore himself, Armstrong cashed in on the 15 minutes of fame, Budenz is trying to do it, and Selig got himself a whole lot of face time for his PR business. A whore-house owner in Nevada was set to do it and wanted to land an HBO series about it.

    IDK, if Brodsky’s publicity and media stunts were successful in reaching the public and/or Peterson’s future jury pool, he’s got a big problem on his hands. He created a monster, (and Budenz is trying to sell his book trying to analyze Brodsky’s monster creation), because the majority of the pubic cannot stand the sight or sound of Drew Peterson. If the jury lets that influence their assessment of Peterson and causes them to let it factor in with their deliberations, bye, bye Peterson. This says it all:

    Brodsky: “…the media and its influence is in the courtroom and jury room. Therefore, the media must be addressed and engaged in these extreme cases…”
    http://legalpublication.blogspot.com/2008/05/legal-pub-is-firm-believer-in-our.html

    Yep, it sure was addressed. Now what, Brodsky?

  175. Ha, and now the unlicensed cheesehead’s gone ‘global’. He also makes up new license categories as his head grows.

    “Dr. Dan is President of American Family Institute and its Online Rehab Clinic and Professional in Residency service. He has been licensed as a Psychotherapist, Supervisory Addictions Counselor III, Forensic Therapist and International Addictions Specialist over his 30-year career.”

    http://onlinerehabclinic.com/?page_id=9

  176. I guess he desperately needs money facing two mortgage foreclosures.

    http://www.lakecountyclerk.org/online_court_records_detail.asp?case_id=4496885 (in Florida)

    and

    http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails.do%3Bjsessionid%3D79B7A5BDEE4070FEE25E8CA8DFB67339.render6?caseNo=2009CV003874&countyNo=13&cacheId=39465E8529F23F508B87FD299D8C0A3A&recordCount=13&offset=1

    There are a few more FL and WI court records related to him (most associated with other people’s money claims but also involving resisting and obstruction to a police officer and exceeding speed limit). I think it is waste of time to look for more. I only feel sorry for his family and his potential patients.

  177. judgin :
    Ha, and now the unlicensed cheesehead’s gone ‘global’. He also makes up new license categories as his head grows.
    “Dr. Dan is President of American Family Institute and its Online Rehab Clinic and Professional in Residency service. He has been licensed as a Psychotherapist, Supervisory Addictions Counselor III, Forensic Therapist and International Addictions Specialist over his 30-year career.”
    http://onlinerehabclinic.com/?page_id=9

    Note he has been licensed , not he IS licensed.

  178. cyrhla :
    I guess he desperately needs money facing two mortgage foreclosures.
    http://www.lakecountyclerk.org/online_court_records_detail.asp?case_id=4496885 (in Florida)
    and
    http://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetails.do%3Bjsessionid%3D79B7A5BDEE4070FEE25E8CA8DFB67339.render6?caseNo=2009CV003874&countyNo=13&cacheId=39465E8529F23F508B87FD299D8C0A3A&recordCount=13&offset=1
    There are a few more FL and WI court records related to him (most associated with other people’s money claims but also involving resisting and obstruction to a police officer and exceeding speed limit). I think it is waste of time to look for more. I only feel sorry for his family and his potential patients.

    Gosh Cyrhla, you’ve been busy. Is everyone else NOT surprised by all of this on with Budenz? Pretty typical for the usual Drew groupie. They all seem to be trying to get rich, or get out of debt, on Drew’s dime, or become famous by association with the scuzball. Sad lot.

  179. Yikes, Suspected, now confirmed… where all the knowledge and references posted on the AFI website come from… his own personal experiences. He has even posted ways to protect oneself in these situations on his website.

    Those who build ‘sandcastles in the sky’ on the backs of misfortune of others, then decorate them, get their just rewards when all comes crashing down around them.

    I find it very painful to watch the disintegration of the lives of others from the results of their own choices and actions. Everyone who inserted themselves into the life of evil DP has had or is having disasterous consequences.

  180. Ya know how Facebook recommends pages saying which friend has “liked” it? Apparently Andrew Abood likes Justin Bieber.

  181. Great research is right!
    That’s quite a curriculum vitae now.

    Now that we’re at it, remember this guy? The first of the Peterson attorneys to leave the defense, although, this guy didn’t have much choice.

    In re John Paul Carroll, 09CH0078
    Case is pending. For more information, call ARDC at (312) 565-2600 or, within Illinois, at (800) 826-8625.

    Monday, August 23, 2010
    Prehearing Conferences (prehearing conferences are generally conducted by telephone).

  182. I’m not sure I’ve got this guy right….is he the one who found a way to totally milk the system?

  183. And here is the instruction how to milk the State (by John P. Carroll), Facs:

    http://www.dailyherald.com/story/print/?id=295154

    The 55-year-old retired Bolingbrook police sergeant maintains his innocence. His lead attorney, Joel Brodsky, announced after Monday’s arraignment that Carroll had joined the four-member defense team.

    Brodsky cited the considerable experience of Carroll, a former Chicago homicide detective, but his handling of a downstate death penalty case continues to be a subject of debate.

    Illinois lawmakers passed oversight reforms to the taxpayer-supported state capital litigation fund in 2005 as a direct result of Carroll’s bill for his defense of Cecil Sutherland, on death row for the July 1987 sex slaying of a 10-year-old girl in rural Jefferson County.

    Carroll represented Sutherland in his 2004 retrial, in which the attorney submitted a $2 million bill, including $900,000 in legal fees, prompting outrage from state legislators. Among his bills, Carroll charged $135.68 an hour for the time it took to pack his van at his former Minnesota home and drive to Illinois.

  184. So I suppose Dr. Budenz is off the list of character witnesses for the Defense as he isn’t even licensed to practice these days ?

    Isn’t that the same clinical psychologist that determined from afar Drews children were doing great and were told age appropriate things, such as their mother is not coming back ?

  185. Birkett demands apology from Brodsky

    July 30, 2010
    By JOE HOSEY jhosey@stmedianetwork.com

    JOLIET — DuPage County State’s Attorney Joe Birkett isn’t taking any of Joel Brodsky’s nonsense

    Birkett — the man who put child-killer Brian Dugan and two other men to death row — sent a stern letter to Brodsky demanding an apology for blaming the official for leaking court documents from the Drew Peterson case against a judge’s orders.

    “I have great respect for defense attorneys. You have a difficult job. But that does not excuse the, at best, reckless remarks you made about me,” Birkett said in his Wednesday letter. “I expect a public apology immediately.”

    Brodsky failed to return calls for comment on the letter.

    On Monday, Brodsky made a brief court appearance on behalf of Peterson, the disgraced former cop suspected of slaying half his four wives. Afterward, Brodsky accused Birkett of blabbing to the press about a ruling on hearsay evidence Judge Stephen White filed under seal.

    White kept his ruling secret in hopes it would not bias prospective jurors prior to Peterson’s trial on charges he murdered his third wife, Kathleen Savio. For White to allow any hearsay evidence at all into Peterson’s trial, he would have determined that Peterson likely killed both Savio and his next wife, Stacy Peterson, who has been missing since October 2007.

    Peterson faces no criminal charges in connection with harming Stacy.

    “My understanding is Birkett had a copy (of White’s ruling) and the timing is suspicious, because all the leaks started after he started consulting with (Will County State’s Attorney James) Glasgow,” Brodsky said Monday.

    Birkett said that the fact he and Glasgow consulted on the case was no secret and that Brodsky “should know that it is not uncommon for prosecutors from different offices to share ideas and strategies on how we can better serve the interests of justice.”

    Glasgow’s spokesman, Charles B. Pelkie, said Birkett did not even have a copy of White’s hearsay ruling.

    “It’s a ludicrous statement by Mr. Brodsky, and there was no basis for it,” Pelkie said.

    http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/bolingbrooksun/news/2548892,4_1_JO30_PETERSON_S1-100730.article

  186. Hurrah for Joe “killing half of his 4 wives”. A packet of best chocolate cakes for Joe in admiration for having to write the same sh*t over and over.

    So, I have to wonder in how many moves ahead Joel will be begging to be disbarred, actually on his knees.

  187. http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/bolingbrooksun/news/2547626,6_1_NA30_PETERSON_S1-100730.article

    By JOE HOSEY jhosey@stmedianetwork.com

    One of Drew Peterson’s lawyers pushed to have the disgraced former cop’s felony gun charge dropped but won’t get to plead his case for another month.

    Joel Brodsky, the only one of Peterson’s six attorneys to show up to court July 26, filed a pair of motions to have the gun charge dismissed.

    Richard Schoenstedt, the judge presiding over the case, was not in court. Judge Amy Bertani-Tomczak accepted Brodsky’s motions, told Assistant State’s Attorney John Connor to have a motion prepared and scheduled an Aug. 23 hearing for both sides to argue.

    Peterson is charged with possessing an assault weapon with a barrel shorter than the state-mandated 16 inches. Brodsky has insisted Peterson is immune from prosecution because he carried the weapon while serving on the Bolingbrook Police Department.

    That supposed immunity is the basis of one of Brodsky’s motions. On Aug. 23, Brodsky will also argue that the Second Amendment gives Peterson the right to own the rifle.

    The August hearing is set for the same day Peterson is due in court for Judge Stephen White to get an update on how the appeals process is going in the alleged serial wife-killer’s murder trial.

    Peterson is charged with killing his third wife, Kathleen Savio, in March 2004. He is also suspected of slaying his missing fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, but faces no criminal charges in connection with her death or disappearance.

    Who leaked ruling?

    he trial is on hold while State’s Attorney James Glasgow appeals White’s ruling on what hearsay statements can be presented to the jury.

    White’s ruling was filed under seal to protect the integrity of the jury prior to the trial. But Brodsky has complained about the ruling being leaked to the media and said last week it was done by prosecutors to turn public opinion against Peterson.

    Brodsky explained that for the judge to let in any hearsay evidence at all, he must believe Peterson likely killed both wives, and claimed that prosecutors want the public to think the worst of his client.

    Brodsky shifted the blame and accused DuPage County State’s Attorney Joe Birkett of talking to the press.

    “My understanding is Birkett had a copy and the timing is suspicious, because all the leaks started after he started consulting with Mr. Glasgow,” Brodsky said.

    Immediately after laying the blame squarely on Birkett, Brodsky said, “I’m not accusing him,” then added, “The timing is suspicious.”

    Glasgow’s spokesman, Charles B. Pelkie, refuted Brodsky’s allegations.

    “(Birkett) doesn’t have a copy of the ruling,” Pelkie said. “It’s absurd.”

  188. I suppose JB’s got to try to invoke the right to bear arms, but it’s a waste of time where there are regulatory statutes. He had a right to a gun (before his card was revoked), just not an illegal gun.

  189. There were in fact two counts relating to the gun case:

    Count I alleged that, on or between October 28, 2007, and November 1, 2007, defendant committed the offense of unlawful use of a weapon, a Class 3 felony, in that he knowingly possessed a rifle, namely a modified Colt, model Sporter Lightweight, 223 Remington rifle, serial number SL025365, with attached EOTech electronic sight, with a barrel less than 16 inches in length. and Count II alleged that, on or between October 28, 2007, and November 1, 2007, defendant committed the offense of unlawful use of a weapon, a Class 3 felony, in that he knowingly agreed with Stephen Peterson to commit the offense of Unlawful Use of Weapon by transferring possession of a rifle to Stephen Peterson , namely a Colt, model Sporter Lightweight, 223
    Remington rifle, serial number SL025365, with attached EOTech electronic sight, with a barrel less than 16 inches in length.

    Does it mean that Drew Peterson not only possessed an illegal riffle and moved the it to Stephen’s house but also formally got rid of it (as of a folding gun to Paula Stark)? I have not noticed this detail before and would like to be sure I have understood it properly. Sorry if it has been discussed before.

  190. Hi Cyrhla. I think it looks that way. Transferring possession would seem to mean more than just dropping it off at his house. Sort of interesting that he “got rid” while the heat was on.

  191. Why would he do that? He was still a serving officer, and he claimed he used the gun for work.

    I’m also thinking that he had a silencer, no? A bullet hole in the bedside cabinet would certainly account for its disposal…

  192. Oh dear. I may be well wrong, there. Transfer possession doesn’t necessarily mean transfer ownership. Help? Anyone?

  193. I think that if its a illegal weapen no matter if he transfers it or not it still remains a illegal weapen

  194. @ #293 Aha, Stephen appeared before the grand jury more than one time. He must have testified that he received that weapon because it was confiscated when his home was also searched.

    Richard Mims testified that he carried a trumpet type case to Stephen (contents unknown) then realized that Thomas was not staying with Stephen but at a friend’s home (James Mitchem: Peterson’s neighbor and principal of Bolingbrook High School [Thomas’ school]. Thomas stayed at his home in Nov. Testified at GJ May 2008.)

  195. In ref. to Count I – why on those particular days? The gun was in Drew’s possession much earlier. Did he saw off the barrel then?

    Unfortunatelly, I cannot tell if this Colt and the gun on Cass and Stacy’s picture is the same gun but if it is, it initially had much longer barrel.

    Brodsky said the bearrel was only half inch shorter than 16in but Pelke corrected him saying it was more than 5in. I wonder if they are talking about the same weapon? 😉

  196. I can also remember the incident with the trumpet case as well, judgin.

    http://www.acandyrose.com/stacy_peterson_j_mitchem_files.htm

    But the date of Nov. 2 may be a little confusing. However, it might have been that Drew kept the Colt hidden, on 2nd November he transferred it to Stephen and on the same day Stephen returned it to the police. It would more or less agree with the way the felony counts were stated. That would also explain why Stephen was not arrested.

    Judgin, how do you know the gun was confiscated during the search warrant in Stephen’s house? Brodsky has always said it was voluntary returned to the police and I have always had a picture of him going to the police station, not returning the gun at his home.

  197. I am overproductive today 😉 but just for the record and in case Brodsky would ever mention Budenz as an operating specialist and to close the Budenz story: none of their businesses is active.

    https://www.wdfi.org/apps/CorpSearch/Results.aspx?type=Simple&q=american+family+institute

    AMERICAN FAMILY INSTITUTE INC.
    Vital Statistics
    Entity ID A036355
    Registered
    Effective Date 07/28/1997
    Period of Existence PER
    Status Dissolved
    Request a Certificate of Status
    Status Date 03/05/1999
    Entity Type Non-Stock Corporation
    Annual Report
    Requirements Non-stock Corporations are required to file an Annual Report under s. 181.1622 WI Statutes.
    Addresses
    Registered Agent
    Office
    DANIEL T BUDENZ PHD CPC CADCIII
    6441 SUN VALLEY PKWY
    BELLEVILLE , WI 53508

    ——————————–
    BUDENZ MEDICAL MANAGEMENT, INC.
    Filing Information
    Document Number
    F02000003179

    FEI/EIN Number 391979127
    Date Filed 06/21/2002
    State WI
    Status INACTIVE
    Last Event REVOKED FOR ANNUAL REPORT

    Principal Address
    6441 SUN VALLEY PARKWAY
    BELLEVILLE WI 53508

    Mailing Address
    6441 SUN VALLEY PARKWAY
    BELLEVILLE WI 53508

    Registered Agent Name & Address
    BUDENZ, DANIEL
    15921 MERCOTT COURT
    CLERMONT FL 34711 US

    ——————————————-

    Foreign Limited Liability Company

    EAGLE VIEW RIDGE LLC

    Filing Information
    Document Number M02000001614
    FEI/EIN Number 391960581
    Date Filed 06/19/2002

    State WI

    Status INACTIVE

    Last Event REVOKED FOR ANNUAL REPORT

    Principal Address
    6441 SUN VALLEY PKWY.
    BELLEVILLE WI 53508

    Mailing Address
    6441 SUN VALLEY PKWY.
    BELLEVILLE WI 53508

    Registered Agent Name & Address
    BUDENZ, DANIEL
    15921 MERCOTT CT.
    CLERMONT FL 34711 US

    ———————–

    Foreign Limited Liability Company
    SNOW EAGLE I, LLC

    Filing Information
    Document Number M02000001600
    FEI/EIN Number 412042255
    Date Filed 06/19/2002

    State WI

    Status INACTIVE

    Last Event REVOKED FOR ANNUAL REPORT

    Event Date Filed

    Principal Address
    6441 SUN VALLEY PKWY.
    BELLEVILLE WI 53508

    Mailing Address
    6441 SUN VALLEY PKWY.
    BELLEVILLE WI 53508

    Registered Agent Name & Address
    BUDENZ, DANIEL
    15921 MERCOTT CT.
    CLERMONT FL 34711 US

    BUDENZ, JANICE
    P.O. BOX 57
    BELLEVILLE WI 53508

    Annual Reports: No Annual Reports Filed

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