Drew Peterson trial – day fourteen. Would-be hit man on the stand.

UPDATE 5:20:

Defense atty Lopez begins cross-examination of Nick Pontarelli.
“What time did you make this observation of Mr. Peterson and his son at the house?” “It was early in the morning, probably 9:00 or 10:00?” “Did you see Susan or Anna Doman there?” “No, but I know that they were there that day.” “You never saw Drew and Anna and Susan and Henry that day together?” “Never together.” “Did you know Angela?” “Yes . . . she’s Susan’s daughter.” “Did you see her there?” “No.” “She’s married, right?” “I don’t know.” “You didn’t see her there that day?” “No.”
On cross by Lopez, Pontarelli says his lunch visit with Savio lasted about 45 minutes.
Recounting relationship with family: Lopez: “Drew was fun, wasn’t he?” Pontarelli: “Yes.”
Pontarelli: Kathleen Savio would come over for dinner more frequently after she and Drew Peterson separated.
After his lunch w/ Savio, Pontarelli said he went to a party in Vernon Hills. He left about 4 p.m., didn’t see Savio.
Pontarelli, upon Lopez’s questioning, says neighborhood is a quiet one. Pontarelli says he heard, saw nothing unusual.
He says he never heard anything strange that night. He had a dog and the dog never made any noises that night.
Pontarelli testimony concludes. Court in recess until 9 a.m. Thursday.

UPDATE 5:00:

Pontarelli had lunch at Savio’s house the weekend of her death. She made him a salad after he helped her carry in groceries.
Pontarelli got home late Saturday night, noticed Savio’s bedroom light was on.
Pontarelli says he called Savio Feb. 28 to invite her for pasta dinner. No answer. He went to her house. No answer.
The next day, Pontarelli says Drew Peterson came to his house, asking if anyone had seen Savio.
Pontarelli: Peterson was trying to drop off kids. Pontarelli supplied Maniaci’s phone number.
Pontarelli says that Savio’s bedroom light was on at midnight Saturday, but the whole house was dark when they entered on March 1, 2004.
In Savio kitchen, Pontarelli said he saw open container of OJ on the counter. He put cap back on and put it in the fridge.
Pontarelli: I opened microwave, saw mug of water. Didn’t touch it. Went to garage. Saw car in garage.
Pontarelli said his father tried to stop him from going upstairs, but he went up anyway. Peterson was still outside the house.
Pontarelli said he heard his mother scream. He followed. Mary Pontarelli tried to stop him, but Pontarelli said he saw Savio in the tub.
Pontarelli said he went into bathroom enough to see Savio in the tub. Then he left the house in shock and went home.
Pontarelli said he had difficulty sleeping that night. He didn’t go to school the next day.
Pontarelli: saw Peterson at Savio’s house the next day, along with Peterson’s son Steve as well as Stacy. They were taking stuff out of the house.
State ends questioning.

UPDATE 4:25:

Court is in session.

Nicholas Pontarelli

Prosecution calls Nicholas Pontarelli, neighbor of Kathleen Savio.
He is 22 years old, and lives with his parents, Tom and Mary Pontarelli. “I’m an I.T. recruiter for Tech Systems . . . this is my second week.”
Pontarelli IDs Drew Peterson in the courtroom.
“Do you recall when Kathleen moved in next door?” “It was in 2000, from what I remember.” “How old would you have been?” “I was ten years old . . . she also lived with her husband, Drew, and their two children, Tom and Kris.” He identifies the defendant in the courtroom. “What type of relationship with you have with Tom and Kris?’ “They were just the boys next door . . . we used to go on family vacations, went camping together . . . I went with the Petersons on one occasion. We also went to Lake Geneva together.” “How often would you see Tom and Kris?’ “Pretty often, a couple of times a week . . . they were good friends.”
Pontarelli is asked if he ever did any work at the house for Savio after Peterson moved out.
Objection. The defense asks for a sidebar.
Peterson trial abruptly breaks after juror said he knows witness Nick Pontarelli, Savio’s neighbor. Juror could be dismissed from case.
Burmila says juror who alerted court that he/she knew/recognized witness will remain seated.
Trial resumes with Pontarelli saying that he helped Savio change the locks after Drew moved out.
Pontarelli remained friends with Savio’s sons after Peterson moved out.
Nick says “Kathy” “was like a second mother to me.”
“Did there come an occasion when you took a photograph of Kathleen Savio?” “Yes . . . it was in 2003 . . . that’s Kathleen Savio.” “Was she working when you took this photograph?” “Yes.” “Why did you take that particular photograph?” “There were just a couple of pictures left on a digital photograph, and I just snapped some pictures.”
Pontarelli describing layout of Savio kitchen, recounting a time he helped her with groceries. He was telling her about recent Florida trip.

UPDATE 3:46:

Dr. Motiani has been excused from the stand.
Defense seeking permission to quiz Savio lawyer about possibility she lied under oath about incident with Drew and Stacy
Jurors have complained defense team’s in-court printer is too loud and they can’t hear testimony. Judge has barred printing
Prosecutors were going to call Savio divorce atty, then decided to call teen neighbor, Nick Pontarelli.

UPDATE 02:46:

Court back in session.

Dr. Vinod G. Motiani

Dr. Vinod Motiani, Savio’s personal physician, has just taken the stand.
Motiani’s first visit with Kathleen Savio was May 8, 1992.
In 1999, tests done on Savio for heart murmur. Motiani ordered an echocardiogram. Tests came back normal.
Motiani repeats what we’ve heard before: Savio did not have MS.
Motiani: Savio gave no indication of concern for dizziness or fainting during June 2003 physical examination.
At a June 2003 physical (her last), Savio did not indicate any dizziness, fainting spells or heart palpitations.
Motiani says Savio “was no more at risk (of falling) than any other person.”
State ends questioning. Defense attorney Darryl Goldberg now cross-examining Motiani.
Montiani acknowledges that symptoms can change rapidly
We’re hearing, again, about Savio taking weight loss supplements. She apparently weighed 124 lbs in May 1992 and 136 lbs in June 2003.
Last contact Motiani had w/ Savio was in Oct. 2003. She asked for Zoloft, apparently unable to get in to see Dr. Neri, her neurologist.
Motiani says that Savio reported feeling depressed and “unsteady in her gait in 1999,” about five years before she died.
Goldberg is asking about previously mentioned ailments described by Dr. Neri: pain in extremities, unsteadiness in gait, diabetes, etc.
Motiani also tells jury that Savio had lingering chest pains in 1995.
Motiani affirms that Savio suffered from GERD, often felt like she had something stuck in her throat.
Motiani says “it’s possible” when asked if inflamed tongue could be indicator of seizure.
Goldberg and Motiani are going over Savio’s medical history, including diabetes tests, complaints of constipation.
March 2003: Motiani ordered blood test because Savio was still complaining of dizziness.
April 2003: Savio left phone message for Motiani “still constipated and feeling bad.”
Attorney Goldberg ends cross-examination of Motiani.

UPDATE 01:30:

Judge Burmila is back on the bench, calling for the jury and Falat to continue cross-examination.
Prosecutors launch afternoon’s first objection when Lopez asks Falat about a coroner’s jury ruling Savio’s death an accident.
Lopez asking Falat about his note-taking skills and his filing of reports. Falat says he knows they’re important and become part of cases.
Lopez challenges Falat on who was present during interviews with Pontarellis & Maniaci. Lopez asks if there was a baby. Falat doesn’t recall.
Falat denied knowing who placed the blue towel in the Savio bathroom, and said that he never saw Peterson in the house.
“What were you looking for?” “Anything . . .anything that could tell me what happened to Miss Savio . . . we found someone deceased in a bathtub with no water. So it raised my suspicions right away, Sir.”
Falat says he was only in the Savio house for 30 mins. before he was told to go next door and take statements
Falat says it wasn’t necessary to mention Drew Peterson was present at Stacy interview because “the intention was to re-interview Stacy.”
Falat refuses to call it a mistake instead he says it wasnt really relevant.
Dr. Vinod Motiani, Kathleen Savio’s personal physician, will be the state’s next witness.

UPDATE 11:40:

Defense attorney Lopez begins cross-examination of Falat.
Falat says he never saw Drew Peterson go into the bathroom.
Falat said he was not told scene was a homicide. It was a death investigation.
Falat again describing what he saw in bathroom: one shampoo bottle in tub with Savio. Contact lens case on counter.
Lopez asking Falat about the condom found in the trash. Falat says he told crime scene investigator about it. Condom was not inventoried for evidence or tested.
In master bedroom, Falat notes bedding was disturbed. One window’s blinds were open. Another was closed.
Falat hesitates when asked if he did a thorough investigation.
“I’m sure there was a lot more stuff that could have been looked for that I wasn’t trained on,” Falat says.
Lopez: In tour of home, you didn’t see anything out of the ordinary? Falat: “Aside from Ms. Savio in the bathtub without water in it?”
Jury now breaking for lunch. We’ll be back at 1:15 pm

UPDATE 11:20:

Falat said he looked around the house for anything that would have caused Savio’s head injury, but he didn’t find anything.
Back upstairs with crime scene investigator who had since arrived, Falat observed what appeared to be a used condom in bathroom garbage.
Falat then went next door to interview neighbor to interview “people who I was told found Ms. Savio.”
Falat met with Mary Pontarelli, Tom Pontarelli and Steve Maniaci. They were crying, at times.
Interview w/ Maniaci ended just before 6 a.m.
After these four people were interviewed, he was told by Sgt. Collins that they needed to go to the Bolingbrook Police Department to interview Drew Peterson. “I told Sgt. Collins that I didn’t think it was a good idea to interview Mr. Peterson at the police headquarters.” However, Sgt. Collins was his boss, and was in charge of the investigation. “Where did you end up going?” “To the Bolingbrook Police Department.”
Falat says the Peterson was “jovial”.
Interview lasted about an hour, ending at about 7:15. Falat says he and Collins then went to ISP HQ.
Falat said he interviewed Stacy Peterson the following day at her home at 3 p.m.
Falat and Stacy went downstairs to basement. At that time, Collins told Falat that DP would be present.
Falat said that Stacy Peterson cried during the interview, when she talked about Savio’s death and how it would impact the children.

UPDATE 10:45:

Testimony of Dr. Vinod Motiani is delayed. ISP trooper Bryan Falat will be up next.
Court is in session.

ISP Sgt. Bryan Falat

Illinois State Police Master Sgt. Bryan Falat takes the stand
Prosecutor Koch will be doing the direct examination.
In Dec. 2002, Falat says he joined an investigative unit. It was a temporary duty assignment, he says.
Assignment lasted approximately from Dec. 2002 – April 2004.
Falat says he was part of two homicide investigations in 2003.
In those, Falat says he was the “low man on the totem pole.” He was there to assist, he says.
Falat says he was called March 1, 2004, while sleeping, to assist in death investigation related to Bolingbrook police officer.
Falat: “I observed Ms. Savio, naked, deceased in the bathtub.”
Falat is describing scene. Says photo he’s being shown is accurate: No water in tub. Drain was down. Parts of her hair were wet.
Falat: Blood was coming from head, going down drain area.
Falat says he looked around the bathroom, was looking for where Savio may have struck her head: hair, blood or any items moved.
Falat says he did not move any items because he’s not a crime scene technician. One was en route.
Falat said he didn’t touch the body. He didn’t want to “contaminate” the scene.
Falat says he didn’t see any visible hair or blood on surrounding tub area.
Falat says he walked around the residence while crime scene technician was on his way. He was looking for an explanation of death, he said.

UPDATE 10:00:

Pachter says DP didn’t give him specifics about conversation: no name, no address, no photo, no description.
Pachter says he didn’t make much of the request from Peterson. Says Drew was a jokester and never mentioned hit again.
Peterson wanted Savio dead because she “had something on him” and could go to the police.
Pachter gets laughs when asked if he wants to see the court file from his sex crime case. “No, thank you,” he says.
Pachter says he doesn’t know why Drew wanted Savio dead. Lopez pushes on comment that Savio “had something” on Peterson.
Lopez asks Pachter if he knows how to write and suggests witness wants to write a book and make money from case.
Pachter says ride-along with DP took about 30-45 minutes. It was through Bolingbrook. There was no official police activity.
Lopez ends cross-examination. prosecution to begin redirect.
Prosecutor Connor begins his redirect. The witness says that he has “exhausted his memory” as to whether he told the state police that Peterson told him this was a conversation that he was to take to the grave. The attorneys then go to another sidebar.
The witness reads some of his grand jury testimony. “What was your full answer?’” “It was that his demeanor was very laid back… his demeanor never changed, so you didn’t know if he was serious or not.”
“Before the Illinois state police called you, did you have any intention of coming forward?” “No, I did not.”
Lopez then begins his recross. “When you went to the grand jury, the first thing you said was that you didn’t think he was really serious about it?” “Yes.”
The judge excuses the jurors for a five-minute break prior to the next witness

UPDATE 09:15:

Jurors color choice for the day: Brown
Court is in session.

Jeffrey Pachter

Jeffrey Pachter takes the witness stand.
Prosecutor Connor begins direct examination.

Pachter says cable employees met each morning between 7, 7:30 a.m. at a warehouse in Downers Grove. He IDs Drew Peterson in courtroom.
Due to a sex crime conviction he had trouble getting employment and asked Peterson to run a background check on him to find out what the problem was.
Peterson then helped him get off an FBI list.
Pachter says he had a gambling problem in 2003. Says he was in debt to a bookie for $1000. He asked Peterson for money. Peterson said no.
Pachter says DP once asked him to go for a ride-along with him. He went along. They met at Bolingbrook PD between 10:30, 11p.m.
After signing some sort of form, the pair went to DP’s squad car. Initially, there was small talk, says Pachter.
Lots of objections from defense. The jury is heading out of the courtroom.
They were in their seats less than 15 mins.
Jurors coming back into courtroom.
Pachter says Peterson mentioned $25,000. If Pachter could find someone to “do it for less,” he could keep the remainder.
A secret phrase was established, something to do with cookies.
Peterson wanted an alibi. Either out of the country or at Great America where he would cause a fight so there was record of his presence.
In July 2004, Pachter said he phoned Drew. Call was made from cellphone owned by his employer at the time.
Pachter is shown phone bill with record of call being made.
Pachter asked Drew how the family was doing. All was good. “After that, he said, ‘The favor that I asked of you, I don’t need it anymore.'”
Pachter says that Drew told him that Pachter would take the hit request to “his grave.”
Attorney Lopez begins cross-examination.
Lopez accuses Pachter of making stuff up and lying about things in his past.
Lopez: Sir you came forward in this case because you were expecting to make money, isn’t that true? Pachter: “No.”
Lopez asserts Pachter took part in workman’s comp scam in 2009. Pachter denies it.
Pachter acknowledges there is no documented evidence of the ride along he took with Peterson.
Lopez asks Pachter if he’s part of organized crime or street gang. Pachter says no.
Lopez: How many people have you killed? Pachter: “Zero.”
Pachter says he is not a member of the Chicago outfit, doesn’t know any hit men, doesn’t know how to plan a murder.
Pachter acknowledges Drew made hitman request just that one time: after signing the ID form, in a squad car, while Drew was in uniform.
Did Drew ever use the words ‘kill my wife’? “No, he did not.”
Remember stating to these state police officers, saying Drew asked you to go on a ride-along after you’d gone bowling? “I did not tell them that.”
Is that wrong? “Yes.”
So they didn’t get that right, either, right? “No.”
“I didn’t know what to make of it,” Pachter says of alleged hit man request. Pachter says he did nothing to further plan.

Drew Peterson’s trial for the murder of Kathleen Savio continues today. Yesterday only one witness was called by the prosecution. Dr. Mary Case, a forensic neuropathologist and head injury expert, testified that the injury to Kathleen Savio’s head would not have caused her to lose consciousness, that the bruises to her body were new and that the bathtub could not have caused the kind of wound that she suffered on her head. It was her opinion that the manner of Kathleen Savio’s death was homicide.

As always, I’ll have my eyes and ears open and will be posting updates. Check back throughout the day for the latest news and don’t forget to check the comments thread.

We’re following:
Jon Seidel
Stacy St. Clair
In Session
Glenn Marshall
Diane Pathieu
Kara Oko
Dan Rozek
Diane Pathieu

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99 thoughts on “Drew Peterson trial – day fourteen. Would-be hit man on the stand.

  1. Ya know Fac, you said yesterday that the defense team may not be interested in what laypeople think. I’m much more interested in what a layperson, who is present in that courtroom, thinks, feels and hears. All the legal professionals have their biases but the jury is made of up laypeople. They are the most important people.

  2. Dan Rozek‏@DanRozek1

    #DrewPeterson witness Jeffrey Pachter expected to testify today that Peterson offered him $25,000 to kill Kathy Savio in 2003

    Should be another interesting day! 🙂

    Good morning everyone!

  3. Stacy St. Clair‏@StacyStClair

    #DrewPeterson witness list today also includes Dr. Vinod Motiani, one of Savio’s personal physicians.

  4. Does anyone want to take a guess as to how many times the jury is sent out today? I’d say five times and I predict that the Prosecution will not have turned the witness over to the Defense when the judge shuts the proceedings down at the end of the day. 🙂

  5. I hope we find out what color they are wearing, and if they have on matching running shoes. 🙂

    ATL Granny – you are pretty optimistic. Only 5 times? I think it will be alot more than that! 😉

  6. Stacy St. Clair @StacyStClair: DrewPeterson jury leaving courtroom after Pachter says that Peterson asked him to “take care of” Savio in 2003. Defense objection.

    There’s the 1st time out! 😉

    It’s on atlgranny! 🙂

  7. Harley, you’re way ahead of me. Jury out in 15 minutes and Pachter is already being cross-examined. THIS is definitely odd. They keep an “expert witness” on the stand all day and one of the most critical witnesses is passed to the Defense team in under a half-hour?

    Just shows to go ya that nobody can predict this trial. It doesn’t fit any logical pattern whatsoever.

  8. Interesting that Pachter did not testify about the man he contacted about possibly doing a hit. And looks like he may not take the stand either?

    William Green testified that cable contractor co-worker Jeff Pachter told him in July 2003 that “Drew would like me to ask you if you would kill his wife.”

  9. Joe Hosey posted Drew’s visitor list:

    Name                       Relationship   Last Visit
    Andrew Abood           Attorney          4/14/2010
    Ashley Acri                Friend             7/26/2009
    Joel Brodsky              Attorney         6/3/2012
    Daniel Budenz            Friend            10/21/2009
    Steve Carcerano         Friend            6/3/2009
    James Carroll             Uncle             N/A
    John Carroll               Attorney         2/25/2011
    Thomas Carroll          Uncle             N/A
    Brian Cohen              Friend            2/25/2010
    Laura Cook               Sister             11/27/2011
    Susan Fick                Institution      4/24/2012
    Michelle Gonzalez      Attorney        2/25/2011
    Diana Grandel           Friend            N/A
    Steve Greenberg       Attorney        10/14/2011
    Amy Jacobson           Friend            N/A
    George Lenard          Attorney         4/14/2010
    Walter Maksym         Attorney         6/17/2010
    Betty Morphey          Mother            N/A
    Reem Odeh              Attorney          5/9/2009
    Anthony Peterson     Son                 N/A
    Kristopher Peterson  Son                 3/11/2012
    Lacy Peterson          Daughter         N/A
    Paul Peterson          Brother            10/16/2011
    Stephen Peterson    Son                  N/A
    Thomas Peterson     Son                 3/11/2012
    Christina Raines       Friend             7/1/2012
    Michelle Reindal       Friend             N/A
    Michele Sneed         Friend             6/3/2012
    Walter Wilson          Uncle              N/A



  10. Seriously, Facs? That is weird.

    What is the teasing tweets that seem to be coming your way from The Public Agency? Is that the publicity guy that Brodsky hired a few years ago to make him look good?

    Is it possible that outside pressure is being put on Pachter that might be terrifying him now? We just had a woman here in ATL who was killed last week — turns out she was a key witness in an upcoming murder trial. Having been involved in a serious trial several years ago, I can attest to the fear factor while waiting for the trial to commence and be over.

  11. Oh! Thanks for the clarification, Facs. Your friend’s handle is awfully close to that OTHER guy.

    Sometimes I love to be wrong. 🙂

    Twice in one day, though……..Pachter is done, so maybe today will be a lot more productive than yesterday.

  12. Due to a sex crime conviction he had trouble getting employment and asked Peterson to run a background check on him to find out what the problem was.
    Peterson then helped him get off an FBI list.

    This really bugs me. I always thought DP was slimy, but he was a sergeant! Helping a sex offender get off of a list? Speaks volumes to me of what other “favors” he was willing to give or got in return! Know what I mean? 😉

  13. Bear in mind the sex charge was from when he was 18 and his girlfriend was 15. Her mom brought the charges and he got in further trouble because he didn’t stay away from her afterwards, as he was supposed to.

    Just heard from Beth Karas on In Session that the worker’s comp fake injury claim was placed by Ric Mims!

    Pachter said that he drove Mims to the hospital, but had no idea that Mims was faking the injury or that it had to do with an insurance fraud scheme.

  14. The consensus on In Session is that Pachter did a very good job on the stand. He didn’t lose his cool under cross-examination and he came across as a guy who has done some bad stuff, but honest about the stuff he has done.

    One pundit thought that Lopez’s “good fella” approach with Pachter may have backfired and made the jury able to see him as someone who fit into a mob kind of scenario.

  15. Yeah Facs, I realize that about Pachter, but it still bugs me that DP was still willing to make it go away. That is what bugs me!

    Lopez asking Falat about the condom found in the trash. Falat says he told crime scene investigator about it. Condom was not inventoried for evidence or tested.

    Way to go Mr. Lopez! How can this possibly help you? To me, all it does is reinforce the fact that this was a shoddy investigation! 🙂

  16. Just saw Jeff Ruby on InSession. What a great guy. He is bringing “awareness” to the trial. He made a comment on how this judge is losing the case for the prosecution. Then I saw Brodsky blathering about how the prosecution is unorganized, how they have no plan and that the judge is getting angry at the prosecution. He continued to say this trial shouldn’t be taking this long.
    Mr. Brodsky, if you and your team would keep your mouths shut, the case may be able to proceed. With all the defenses “mistrial antics” and objection to the true evidence, the trial may be a fair trial.

    I don’t know why Brodsky is so afraid of all the evidence coming in. Jurors should hear ALL the evidence, good & bad. If the defense was so confident about their case, they would let the evidence in.

    Why is the audience repremanded not to make eye contact with the defendant but he can “stare” at people, mostly young women, even mouthing the word “blondie”? Why is he able to stand up and walk around. If it were anyone else, he would have to stay at that table and a baliff would make sure. DP should be the one reprimanded and told to sit. He’s in control of the courtroom not this judge.

  17. Anyone notice that there are three reporters and an A&E producer on Drew’s Visitor list, classified as “friends”?

    Michele Sneed
    Brian Cohen
    Amy Jacobson


    Michelle Reindal

  18. The witness denies knowing anything about who placed the blue towel in the Savio bathroom. “But you never saw Sgt. Peterson in that house?” “No, Sir.” He repeats he got the call around midnight, and responded to the scene about 45 minutes later. “The paramedics and other people were outside?” “That’s right.”

    This is all I’ve got, Granny.

  19. Okay. There’s a difference between asking if he knows who put the towel there and whether he personally saw the towel. So far, it seems the first to arrive (Pontarelli’s and locksmith) didn’t see a towel.

    Who testified that they SAW the towel? Anyone, or was it just something that showed up in the photos with nobody actually seeing it themselves (other than police photographer, of course).

    It would help to determine when the opportunity would have been there for Drew to slip in a clean towel.

  20. Facs, I’m not seeing a huge issue with the reporters being shown as visitors and “friends” of Drew on the visitor’s log. We all know Drew and Brodsky are publicity whores and any publicity (good or bad) keeps their case in the spotlight.

    I think White’s admonishment about reporters was more due to Drew and Brodsky’s initial barrage of interviews and trying their case in the media. There’s quite possibly a lessening of the rules (after three years) whereby these reporters are permitted to come and go in order to work on a project, but not to use it for their “nightly news” broadcast.

    See the difference?

  21. I am curious after watching updates on DP children if Eric Peterson will be testifying for the prosecution – I recall reading grand jury testimony that he testified against his father about witnessing his father dragging his Mom and know it was ruled inadmissible for the trial – Drew only talks of the other 5 and nothing about Eric.

  22. Granny, Judge White ruled “anyone associated with the case, including Peterson, his defense lawyers and prosecutors, must notify the judge before conducting any media interviews.”

    So let’s pretend that Peterson got permission for these interviews. Why did he then call these people “friends” rather than reporters and producers and why was Michael Sneed’s name misspelled as “Michelle”?

    if everything is above board, then why misrepresent who these people are? I know for a fact that Michelle Reindel is not a pal because she and I exchanged a few emails while she was researching the Biography show. She was just learning about the case and hoping I could put her in touch with some people.

    Sorry but I can’t help but guess this was deliberately misleading.

  23. I know. But do you think that could have been changed since then, given as how Drew has been “behaving” 🙂 and it’s now been three years since he first went behind bars??? I suspect that there has been a change order somewhere.

    Just thinking out loud here…

  24. Why speculate about it? I haven’t heard of any change. IMO it was sneaky, and I’ll leave it at that! 🙂

    Hi Wilma. Eric’s testimony about his dad’s prior bad acts was barred by Judge White and White’s decision was upheld by the appellate court as being too remote in time to Kathleen’s death.

  25. Burmilla seems to give Drew preferential treatment. For example, the spectators are quickly threatened with arrest when they make eye contact with Drew, yet Drew has never been told to stop scouring the gallery looking for someone to lock stares with.

    Also, didn’t I just read somewhere that Drew is allowed to get up and walk around? THAT is something I’ve NEVER heard of. The Defendant is either shackled to the chair or kept in that spot by Deputies who have electronic devices which will immediately taze the Defendant via a hidden belt under his clothes if he tries to get out of the chair. (If Drew is being held on $20 million bond, there is reason to believe he could be unpredictable.)

    This is one heck of a murder trial. It seems the Defendant is treated better than the jury or guests — and most definitely the witnesses.

    Shameful reflection on the judge, IMHO.

  26. During lunch Beth Karas said that she’s told he’s been admonished and they are going to start cracking down. She said she hadn’t seen him stand up and scan the gallery today at all (finally).

    That should have been the case since day one.

  27. Yea, only after repeated comments from the peanut gallery shamed them into it.

    I can’t help but think that friends or family of jury members have taken this opportunity to be part of the trial by sitting in the gallery from time to time. (I know I would if one of my close family members was being held captive for weeks on end on a jury for a murder trial.) Drew’s antics will be part of the overall decision as to his innocence or guilt.

  28. Facs, you said:

    Anyone notice that there are three reporters and an A&E producer on Drew’s Visitor list, classified as “friends”?
    Michele Sneed
    Brian Cohen
    Amy Jacobson
    Michelle Reindal

    I don’t know who put “Michele” Sneed on the visitor’s list, but I’m guessing it was Drew himself. Remember when he met her, he said, “All this time I thought you were a guy.” (I’m paraphrasing). It follows to me that he would then misspell it to make it more like a girly thing. (We all know about his ego).
    Also-his ego would want everybody to think that anyone not related to him would be visiting him as his friend, not because of work.
    But one thing does kind of jump out at me. When Kris went to court to see his dad on August 9, the comment was made that they hadn’t seen each other for quite a while. On the list that Joe Hosey got, it shows Kris saw his dad in March of this year. So I’m thinking Kris DID go to see his dad in jail…

  29. You’re right, Cheryl. I thought i remembered some story from this Spring about the boys seeing him in jail finally, but I can’t find it so maybe I just imagined it. Certainly looks like they were there. And weird that Raines was going to see him just this July, seeing as she has had a new boyfriend for the last three years. Maybe they are working on a book deal!

  30. “Jurors have complained defense team’s in-court printer is too loud and they can’t hear testimony. Judge has barred printing.”

    Seriously? Are you kidding? The Defense team actually has a printer INSIDE the courtroom? Now I’ve heard everything. I can’t believe the judge permitted it in the FIRST place. How can this man take himself seriously? He has to have heard the printer going and he didn’t step in to protect the integrity of the trial? The JURY had to call his attention to it?

    This trial is going to go down as the best-case example of how NOT to do a trial.

  31. I’m a little disappointed in Jeffrey Pachter’s testimony. I had hoped for a more detailed testimony that included mention of the man he contacted about doing the job, William Green.

    But overall, Pachter did well on the witness stand, not allowing the defense to intimidate him. I wonder how the jury reacted to his testimony?

    I thought Falat did well. He seemed honest and his hesitation when asked if he thought it was a thorough investigation tells me he felt more could have been done. But he’s not trained in crime scene investigation.

    Drew’s visitor list is interesting. I note Steve Carcerano is on the visitor list, but last visited in 2009, shortly after Drew’s arrest. On another website, a poster found information that Steve Carcerano was arrested in March 2012 for domestic violence – on his brother. This makes me wonder if he will be testifying for either the prosecution or defense.

  32. You’ve got to be kidding me…. From IS:

    The jury is now gone, and the witness leaves the courtroom. Judge; “One of the jurors has advised the bailiff that he or she knows the witness. I want to see all of the witnesses with the court reporter in the judge’s conference room. And then, Donna [the bailiff], I’ll want you to bring back the juror.” The judge and the attorneys leave the courtroom.


  33. I have been in the court room atleast once a week since the trial started and today had a totally different feel to it. It seemed to move quickly. The judge ruled on objections quickly and testimony was delivered smoothly…..Most times it is hard to keep from laughing at the cross, they do not know when enough is enough. Just my thoughts.

  34. There is that house dark again when she was found. Probably DP’s biggest mistake. Turned off the lights after the deed

  35. If there was a turning point needed in this trial, I do believe this testimony from a then 14 yr old boy, might be it. Its time to cross the t’s and dot the i’s

  36. I agree about the lights LA! Even during the daytime, when I go into my bathroom, I turn the light on!

    Big mistake by Drew to turn them all off! IMO Of course! 😉

  37. “Pontarelli: saw Peterson at Savio’s house the next day, along with Peterson’s son Steve as well as Stacy. They were taking stuff out of the house”

    They certainly didn’t waste any time – what could they so urgently need from that house ?

  38. “Lopez asks Pachter if he knows how to write and suggests witness wants to write a book and make money from case.”

    Was that supposed to be a serious question or was that asked purely for entertainment value ?

  39. If I am correct one of reporters on the visitors list facsmiley noted is Amy Jacobsen. I live in the Chicagoland area and there was an incidence with Jacobson the summer of 2007. Coincidentally, another woman went missing from Plainfield IL (near Bolingbrook) and her husband was a suspect also. Amy Jacobson was fired from her on-air TV reporter position for swimming at the suspects home after the wife (Lisa Stebec) went missing. She was getting a scoop on the story. There was video of her in her bathing suit in his house. Google” Amy Jacobson gets fired” She has also been linked to Brodsky. Let me guess when DP gets accquited she will be his first interviewer while he is writing “his side” of the story in a soon to be published book. He has to pay for his high profile defense team of more than 8 lawyers…

    I hope the jury can see through all the defense antics and uses their common sense.

  40. Whoever first quoted this must have been mistaken. (Not you, Harleyjoey!)

    The jury is now gone, and the witness leaves the courtroom. Judge; “One of the jurors has advised the bailiff that he or she knows the witness. I want to see all of the witnesses with the court reporter in the judge’s conference room. And then, Donna [the bailiff], I’ll want you to bring back the juror.” The judge and the attorneys leave the courtroom.
    Surely he said (or meant) “I want to see all of the attorneys…” and not “…all of the witnesses.” I can surely understand trying to get the information to us quickly and making the error. Or, maybe I’m wrong.
    Smile time: Of all the different blood groups, Type O’s make the most spelling mistakes. :>)

  41. Lostacres, I submit that Drew turned all the lights out BEFORE the deed! Couldn’t take a chance on someone being able to see in, and he knew that house like the back of his hand. Also, of course it would have unnerved poor Kathleen to suddenly be in the dark. That’s just how I see Drew-always overdoing everything, just because he can.
    You know, Granny, if the order for interview permissions, etc came from Judge White, I’m wondering along with you what may have changed when Judge Burmila took over!
    And one last thing: Dammit that the worker’s comp fraud was Ric Mims!!! What’cha wanna bet this means he won’t testify, either? And his testimony would have been dy-na-mite! Hopefully, I’m putting the cart before the horse. I’m bad about that.

  42. Yeah Cheryl, I think they meant the jurors. They were taken out. I got that from the IS FB page. They were probably in a hurry to get the update out, and knew what they meant but it came out wrong. 😉

    I wanted to add that today it did not appear to me that Lopez “scumbagged” Nick. That is a good thing! I just hate when he does that to any witness or victim!

  43. With the boys gone, and the fuss with Steve, Kathleen would have known exactly what was happening when the lights went off. God love her. She must have been absolutely terrified! I bet she was asleep and that’s why the covers were so jumbled. He took her straight from her bed-and I bet he was grinning like a maniac the whole time, and telling her how she wasn’t going to get anything but a burial!

  44. Cheryl, I do believe DP turning off the lights has nothing to do with wanting noone seeing in. I think it has to do with money, that leaving lights on would cost. I think it was instinctive, turn off the lights, close the fridge door, close an open door in the winter. I lived with one of those. I do not think he put any thought behind that, after trying to clean up a crime scene too well, other then, well. instinct. ” turn off the light”. Hope that makes sense

  45. Just out of curiosity…..did anyone check to see whether the light bulb(s) in the bathroom had burned out? That could easily have happened if they’d been left on for a couple of days.

  46. Also, I have a hunch about the speedy day today. I suspect that when Burmilla notified everyone that they’d be working five days a week and “other remedies” were possible, it made the Defense team panic. Didn’t one of them say they were too old for this kind of thing?

    I suspect that Burmilla’s tactic was to shame them all into getting their acts together — not calling unnecessary witnesses; objecting only when it was truly necessary; limiting sidebars, etc.

    Whatever he did, it worked! Let’s hope we see more productive days like this.

    And, regarding the printers — I’ve just never seen that. Laptops, yes. Printers, no. Usually there are enough team members handy that one can slip out to get documents or make copies as necessary. (Again, as seen in my neck of the woods.)

  47. Granny, when the neighbors and Peterson entered Savio’s bathroom it was about 10 p.m. Monday night.

    You think they searched the house and entered the bathroom without turning on the lights? No the bulbs were not burnt out. Think about it.

  48. About the lights, I doubt they tested, but I am assuming someone turned lights on as they worked at the scene throughout the night.

  49. I just read this on InSession:
    , “I just heard via Jane Velez Mitchell…that the Pastor is testifying tomorrow!”
    Can’t confirm, but I hope Neil Schori gets to really testify and not just sit in the witness’ chair.

  50. By prearrangement, today I will be Mr Positive.

    What a fantastic day for the prosecution inside Jude Burmila’s crowded and noisy courtroom in Joliet, Illinios. Above the monotonous drone of Defence Council’s laser printer, the much-maligned District Attorneys succeeded in presenting the jury, (all dressed in UPS uniforms in a remarkable coincidence), with four seemingly unimpeachable eye-witnesses.

    By the end of the electrifying day, the cumulative weight of the powerful and shocking testimony left the Accused, former Bolingbroke policeman Drew Peterson, aged 58, looking as a guilty as an Illinois Governor caught on camera placing a wad of thousand dollar bills in a suitcase labeled ‘Governor’s Retirement Fund’.

    Showing his usual distaste for publicity, outside the courtroom under cloudless skies, a normally self-assured defence attorney, Mr. Joel Brosky, aged 67, was reduced to removing his sun shades, rubbing his eyes and awkwardly mumbling about the State’s case being, “A rush to judgement.”

    They’ll be sleeping like babies in Seattle tonight.

  51. Oh, Oxy, I think you just more than fulfilled your end of the bargain! LOL and a good night to ye. Can’t wait for your synopsis tomorrow.

  52. A couple of questions:

    1) Where do you think the defense is going with its questions to Nick about the light being on?

    Court adjourned just after the Defense asked Nick to confirm that he saw her reading light was on in the bedroom on Saturday night. I’m intrigued to learn how they will manage to overcome the problem with the light being turned off, and their stated theory that Kathy died in an accident.

    2) Who is Commander George? …referred to by Officer Falat

    Q: Did somebody brief you before you entered the
    A: “Commander George and Sgt. Collins.

    Has anyone interviewed Commander George?

  53. Oxy, you’re a riot! You forgot the part about Mr. Peterson sitting quietly in his chair, trying not to look at the throng of admirers who were staring intently at his back.

    Facs, I somehow thought that Kathy’s body was found in late morning or early afternoon. (My own bathroom has a large window, so I don’t turn on lights during daylight hours.) Wasn’t thinking about the hours that people would have been working and how they’d have to know if the bulbs were burnt out just by being there that many hours. 😦

  54. 1. I’m guessing the defense is setting up for their experts to say that the time of death was during daylight hours. Playing the prosecution’s own witness against them.

    2. No idea. Maybe Keith George? He hasn’t testified before.

  55. Drew went to work at 5 pm on Monday and then started trying to contact Kathleen at about 7pm. Got neighbors together 9-ish, locksmith opened the door 10:30 pm or so.

    First witness of the day, Louis Oleszkiewicz, Bolingbrook firefighter and paramedic. Oleszkiewicz says he was called to the Savio home. He received a call at 10:49 pm for an “unresponsive female.” He arrived 4 minutes later.

    So they’d know if the bulb was burnt out immediately. As soon as they entered the bathroom and turned on the light.

  56. I heard from Attorney Karen Conti, and she shared her feelings on the coordinated color choices of the jury:

    The jurors’ decision to wear the same color clothing each day is a very interesting situation.

    There have been juries in other cases that have done similar things. In the case of the trial of terrorist Jose Padilla, the jurors dressed up for the 4th of July holiday with one row of jurors wearing red, row two in white and row three in blue. One another day, the men all wore blue and the women all wore pink. Another week all of the jurors but one wore black. In a death penalty case, jurors dressed in the same color for several days, prompting the defense to move for a mistrial. The judge denied the motion after the jurors told him that they were merely doing this to relieve tension.

    What does color coordination mean in this case?

    If I were the lawyer on either side, I would not like it. If I were a prosecutor, I would think that the jurors are not being serious about the murder of a young woman. However, I think I would dislike it more if I were a defense lawyer. If the jurors are like-minded and united they are more likely to vote together. And we know that it takes just one juror to say not guilty resulting in a hung jury and a retrial.

    We all should agree that a murder trial is a serious matter. But, when people are thrown together for all of this time, it is not surprising that they are doing things to amuse themselves, especially given the long side bars they have had to endure. I have known jurors in long federal trials to decorate the jury room for holidays, bring special treats from home and celebrate their birthdays with balloons and crepe paper. Jurors are humans and this is very stressful to their lives.

    As long as the Drew Peterson jurors are paying attention and not discussing the merits of the case before the close of evidence, I say that is ok that they discuss the color of their clothes.

  57. @ fac…great find on Commander George! So it appears on the night Kathy was discovered in the bathtub, the Commander of Detectives briefed the Officer, as well as his direct superior Sgt Collins. I suspect that was probably nothing more than a telephone briefing, probably standard procedure as a death had been reported. And sadly that was probably as close as qualified detective ever came to investigating the death.

    As for the lights, i was wondering if the reason for the DEFENSE to bring up the light again was the fact it was not a ceiling light but a “bedside reading” light. While Granny is probably right that many light bulbs were working during the investigation on Monday night, i suspect we’ll find no-one switched on the reading light…duhhhh

  58. “What time did you make this observation of Mr. Peterson and his son at the house?” “It was early in the morning, probably 9:00 or 10:00?”

    So how did Drew, Steven and Stacy get into the house early next morning ?.

    Did Drew now suddenly have a key or did he have to call the locksmith again (!!)

  59. @ Hen

    Actually, Nick’s testimony is contradicted by two other prosecution witnesses…Kathy’s two sister.Ann Doman (Aug 3) and Susan Doman (aug 10)

    Ann testified the police brought keys over to her house early in the morning., Along with her sister Susan, Susan’s son Mike. and an Uncle Mike they all rushed over to Kathy’s house to look for the will etc., (after first going to a funeral home)

    Eventually Drew appears, knocks on the front door and much to the sisters’ chagrin, Unlce Mike lets Drew in.

    Drew then proceeded to clean up the bath, and remove kids clothes from the upper bedrooms.

    Neither sister mentions Steven being present.

    So maybe Nick is simply confusing Steven with Ann’s son Mike.

    No witness, including Nick. mentioned Stacy being there.

  60. Could that have been when the Savios were there and Drew pounded on the door to be let in?

    I don’t remember hearing that Steve and Stacy were tagging along at the time.

  61. This is from Anna Doman’s testimony:

    Early on the morning of Tuesday, March 2, Drew called her. “He said, ‘Kitty’s dead. She drowned in the tub.’ It just wasn’t registering. I just kept asking, ‘What?’ and I got a little hysterical after that. I said I’d come over, and he said, ‘Don’t bother. Because by the time you get here, she’ll be gone.’ At first, I screamed a lot, and then I thought I should call somebody, so I did . . . Drew had said he’d already called Henry, my brother, so I knew I had to call Suzy, my sister . . . I called my nephew first, Michael, her son; I wanted someone there with her, and said, ‘Please go there.’ And then I called her, and told her what happened.”

    That morning, a policeman came over “with a bunch of keys . . . he said they were keys.” Family members gathered at Doman’s house, ‘trying to figure out what we were gonna do.” “Where was the first place you went?” “The funeral home . . . [then] we decided to go to the house, to see if we could find insurance papers, or a will . . . I had those keys the policeman gave me . . . we all went to the house; we all had our own cars.” “How did you get into the house?” “With the garage door opener, and the inside door going into the house was unlocked . . . [it goes] into the laundry room, which goes into the kitchen.” “At some point, were you all together in the house?” “Yes.” “And what were you trying to do?” “Look for the insurance or the will, because she told me she had one.” “Did anyone come to the door?” “Yes, Drew came to the front door . . . he was banging on the door, and yelling, ‘Open the door!’ really loud. I said don’t let him in, but my Uncle Mike opened the door.”

    She repeats that Drew called her on the morning of March 2 to tell her that Kathleen had died. “And he told you not to come to the house?” “Right.”

    I think maybe the fact that Drew had told them pointedly to NOT go to the house, made them all decide to go…and Drew, realizing that they probably WOULD go, also hightailed it over there.

    Still, first I’ve heard of S & S being there.

  62. Oxy,
    I have been searching testimony of the Pontarelli family, which includes, Mary, Thomas, and Nick. I cannot find anywhere, any of them said the light on in Kathy’s bedroom that night was a “bedside reading” light. In all 3 testimonies, they said her bedroom light was on, and they thought she was studying. My reference for this is ACandyRose,( Trial day, July 31, 2012 for Mary, and Trial day, Aug. 01, 2012 for Thomas,) and Nicks testimony today, at top of this blog.

    Somewhere, it seems like I can remember a long time back, something about a lot of her books, scattered on her bed, because that was the way she liked to study, sitting on her bed. If this is true, wouldn’t she need an overhead light on to read by? Just wondering. Maybe someone else can remember this?

    Can you please refer me to the place that you found a testimony of the “bedside reading” light? I would really appreciate that, as I haven’t been able to find it.


  63. “Pontarelli said he had difficulty sleeping that night. He didn’t go to school the next day.
    Pontarelli: saw Peterson at Savio’s house the next day,
    along with Peterson’s son Steve as well as Stacy. They were taking stuff out of the house”.

    Wow, do you think this very astute young man got this so wrong ??

    These were exactly the people living at Drews house at the time and according to him he saw them taking stuff out of Kathleens house early in the morning (9 or 10 am).

  64. JAH, I think Nick is correct about the time — possibly not correct about Steve & Stacy being there since no other witness has mentioned them being there that morning, but who knows?

  65. Did anyone ever ask Nick Pontarelli if he knows what Steven Peterson and Stacy look like or if he knew them ?

    I still find it incredulous that he would just “assume” it was Steven and Stacy if he didn’t know what they looked like …….

  66. @ Hen

    1) just to be precise about the lamp in your earlier question

    “The light you saw that evening when you came home . . . you’ve described that previously as a
    reading light?” “It was a reading lamp in her bedroom.” “You knew that was the area she would study
    in?” “Right . . . it was just a lamp she would use to study.” “She would study by lamp light, not by
    ceiling light?” “Right.”

    2) Your second !Q – yes i do think Nick got it wrong. At the time he was a highly traumatized 12 year old trying to see what was going on from his own house. Although he knew Kathy and Drew very well, i doubt he knew Susan Savio’s family members anything like as well…if at all. So I would much rather believe the testimony of two witnesses who were present in the house ie Anne and Susan, Kathy’s sisters over his. I think Nick is likely confused about who he saw with Drew.

  67. “What time did you make this observation of Mr. Peterson and his son at the house?” “It was early in the morning, probably 9:00 or 10:00?” “Did you see Susan
    or Anna Doman there?” “No, but I know that they were there that day.” “You never saw Drew and Anna and Susan and Henry that day together?”

    From the above it definitely looks like that Nick Pontarelli is talking about 2 seperate visits………

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