Pastor Neil Schori testifies – Defense argues that conversations were privileged.
The judge in the Drew Peterson hearsay hearing issued a recess Tuesday after the defense called into question whether pastor Neil Schori’s conversations with Stacy Peterson were privileged.
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I can’t wait.
Pastor Neil Schori was filmed by Fox News going into the courthouse as one of today’s witnesses.
How convenient that Mr. Brodsky can stand outside the courthouse and voice HIS opinions on what is fact and what isn’t. So, is Judge White supposed to sit down with his evening cup of coffee, turn on his tv, and listen to the sound bites of the defense counsel give his take on things, so he can take it all in and make his rulings? Nice. Roll those cameras for Mr. Brodsky to give his opinions for the Judge. That is who Mr. Brodsky is rehearsing and cuing up for, right? His sound bites of disbelief of the witnesses. Aww, come on now, that interview in front of the courthouse stairs WAS rehearsed, cued and staged, right?
Well, um, yeah, they’ll be able to show that. It’s no secret she wanted out of her marriage. But, um, see, the problem is how she left. The State seems to be showing that she left being carried out in a blue container.
I found it pretty funny that the Torrezes called the police.
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The man so alarmed Torrez’s husband, Hector Torrez, that he called the police to report a suspicious person.
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/peterson/2010050,Peterson-hearsay-neighbor-testifies_JO012510.article
It would be interesting to know if DP stopped paying life insurance premiums on Stacy’s $300,000 life insurance policy.
I’m wondering will we hear all of Neil Schori’s story now.
Doesn’t that kind of privilege die with the client?
I remember when Joel was talking about that on the blogs. He’d change his tune from one post to the next. One minute Schori was a bad dude for sharing Stacy’s confidences – the next he was raked over the coals for merely listening and not going to the authorities.
Wonder if they’ll take both tacts in the courtroom?
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/pastor-testimony-questioned-peterson-hearing#
So…is the defense representing Stacy now? Exactly how are they in a position to complain about Schori divulging their conversations?
I hope they keep protesting. The more they don’t want us to hear what he has to say, the more important it seems that he say it.
But I don’t think I knew that Neil Schori is now a ‘former pastor’ at WCC. If I did, I’d forgotten. What is he doing now?
This is his blog
http://resurrectedheart.com/
He’s a pastor at Naperville Christian Church.
http://napervillechristian.org/
http://www.wandtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11881856
Yeah, it’s right up there with the defense planning on showing that Stacy wanted to leave Drew.
Wow, now that’s a shock, heh?
I guess there is a huge difference between what a worshpper said during a confession and a conversation of a worshipper with a clergy man.
Is that it for today?
Bucket video showed a number of witnesses entering the courthouse. I think they are only at recess while they consult case law about Schori’s testimony.
Bucket – No, only a recess to allow the attorneys to get their case law in support of their arguments. I’m sure they have it ready
At 11:30 our time, there will be a live report with an update.
Cyrhla, yes I think it might be complicated since Neil was counseling Stacy.
Cool. Thanks guys. (btw are you sure the dream team will have anything ready?)lol
A little blast from the past. This is what Joel Brodsky was posting about Neil as a wintess back in the summer of 08:
HA! You bet they do, Bratsky!
Oh, in the light of this info, I see the things are much more complicated, but as far as I can remember Pastor Shori was given a permission by his superiors. That was not his personal decision only then but accepted by the church.
Thank you, Facs, for the Schori update.
But out of all the arguments (including death, as Bucket noted above)I would have excpected the prosecution to take, the fact that this is a non-denominational church I don’t think would ever have even crossed my mind.
And-seems that testifying or not would be a liturgical and not a legal point.
Another old post from Joel:
Read back @ what was posted while I was typing. I see the point, now.
I have a feeling that we will be hearing the rest of Neil’s testimony. Joel has to pull out whatever he can to keep Neil from testifying though, doesn’t he?
Oh wait…Joel “would love to get Shori (sic) on the stand…and question him.”
Umm…which is it?
I have the same feeling, facs.
As for Neil going public with his story, this is what his dad had to say about it:
There’s an old song that goes, “I’d rather be sorry for something I did than for something I didn’t do.
Good on Neil.
Shori was thretened by Drew so I guess it is the additional issue the defense is going to avoid.
Forgive me for posting all these old snippets but I think today they might be helpful while we wait to see what is decided about allowing Neil to testify.
Here’s an interesting bit from something someone posted at the FSP board long ago. Something to think about:
I’ve never heard of a “statement against penal interest” but if this yet another hearsay exception, that might come into play.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statement_against_penal_interest
Just posting, again, a couple of links for live feeds if anyone wants to watch at Noon:
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/subindex/video/live_video
wgntv.com
Both have live feed newscasts at noon.
Julian Crews is reporting now.
They’re arguing over what was said during private counseling sessions should remain private (marriage counseling).
Schori met with her two or three times alone, and then an interview with Stacy and Drew.
They’re objecting to the counseling session when both were together.
Oh, so Drew can object to them being divulged. Well fine – Neil doesn’t talk about anything Drew told him. That seems fair. 🙂
I just hope somebody gets this right! Whichever way it goes.
See, there is always more than one way to skin a cat…:)
Thanks Womanscorned for grabbing this video!
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/judge-bars-public-media-from-peterson-hearing.html
It is that the hearings are closed until the judge hears the attorneys’ arguments, and once he decides, he’ll open up the hearings again to Schori’s testimony?
Brodsky did a sound bite today where he said he believes many of the State’s witnesses are lying in their testimony. He said he doesn’t think Glasgow knows it. He says these witnesses might think they’re helping, but they’re not.
Huh?
Joel should try to familiarize himself with the US court system, where witnesses swear to tell the truth and are assumed to be truthful. We aren’t in Italy where witnesses are assumed to by lying.
Edit\ Apologies to Italy – got that wrong!
Facs, in Italy it’s the accused they expect to lie, so they’re not even required to take an oath. (sorry….I’m a little Perugia-defensive, LOL) …and no need to apologise for posting anything!
That’s nice that Joel believes witnesses are lying.
I believe that Joel is a tool.
That’s right, Bucket. I forgot. I actually kind of like that idea. Why assume the suspect is going to tell the truth?
🙂
http://www.bnd.com/326/story/1104904.html
Makes sense. Since DP is still living and breathing, it sounds right that those conversations would remain confidential and private. Complicated, but I guess the thinking heads figured it out.
Unfortunately they’re right, if Drew was being counselled.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/judge-bars-public-media-from-peterson-hearing.html
Does it apply to the phone messages Drew sent to the Pastor after Pastor Shori talked to Stacy?
Stacy St Clair, get it together!
Maybe he can’t disclose what was said there, but I hope he can relate how creeped out he was by Drew contacting him immediately after seeing Stacy.
Im just at the beginning of today’s thread, but wanted to comment on JB’s press briefings outside the court house. If I were Judge White, I’d be offended by a defense attorney going beyond the facts and putting his own dismissive spin on the testimony of the witnesses, making derogatory comments about witnesses. JB attacking Tom Morphey, making allegations that he’s an addict, is so transparent! The same for attacking Sharon Bychowsky’s testimony. It just shows that the defense is running scared. I hope Judge White is seeing JB for what he is……..an embarrassment to the legal profession.
Facs…………..Thanks for posting that video! It’s been a long time since Schori’s interview and it’s excellent to refresh our memories of what was said.
The fact that the defense is fighting so hard against Pastor Schori’s testimony being made, tells us that this is the one witness the defense cannot be dismissive about. They can’t say that Neal Schori is an addict, or just trying to sell more Avon. The defense hasn’t got anything to counter this testimony!
What do you mean, Bucket?
Statements covered under marital privilege? I don’t understand the legal complexity of all of this, surely but isn’t that marital privilege something that kicks in when in a court room and it pertains to once spouse testifying against the other? Telling Pastor Schori that Drew admitted killing Kathleen figures in how as far as marital privilege?
Did she tell him that in his official capacity as a clergyman, or did she tell him that because she trusted him and knew him?
Marital privilege?
Does this work? (Marital Privilege)
http://definitions.uslegal.com/m/marital-privilege/
Wouldn’t all marital privilege be tossed once you’re suspected of killing your spouse?
Well, that’s as clear as day.
Drew always thought ‘marital privilege’ meant he was entitled to trade-in for a new spouse any time he wanted.
Sorry, I am a little bit confused… The BreakingNews from now.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/judge-bars-public-media-from-peterson-hearing.html
Afterwards, the judge said he will not rule under tomorrow on whether Schori can testify about statements Stacy attributed to Drew.
OK. They keep on interviewing other witnesses. I thought the Judge made the decision.
Cyrhla, looks like this to me.
Can Pastor’s testimony be heard?:
What Stacy told the pastor in solo counseling sessions. YES
What Drew and/or Stacy told the pastor in joint counseling sessions: NO
What Stacy told the pastor that Drew said: TBD
The last item is crucial since Stacy told him that Drew told her he killed Savio,
I got the idea, facs, now. I got confused reading the news if the final decision was already made or not, as they later added the sentence I cited.
Thanks for the explanations.
Roe Conn says “Drew Peterson’s lawyer” will be on his show at 4:00. Link if anyone wants to listen:
http://www.wlsam.com/article.asp?id=152352
Cyrhla – I’m not sure that’s right, but it’s what it looks like to me. I really hope Neil is allowed to tell what Stacy told him…all of it.
JOLIET, Ill. — A Will County judge says a Bolingbrook minister can reveal conversations he had at a coffee shop with Stacy Peterson, who disappeared in 2007.
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Isn’t that the most important part of Neil Schoris involvement anyway ?
Yes Jah – but read up. The judge still has not decided if Neil will be able to testify about what Stacy told him Drew told her.
It’s Walter Maksym…the “Civil attorney” who is on Roe Conn. Let’s see if he discusses the murder case…which he really shouldn’t be talking about.
Blah blah blah hearsay law. I’m done.
http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=11883744
Neil Schori’s testimony is important since he goes in to detail about what Stacy said about Drew killing Kathleen. Also I’m very curious about the end to the story he started to tell. It just keeps you hanging like a soap opera doesn’t it?
We will 🙂
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100126/ap_on_re_us/us_drew_peterson
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/judge-bars-public-media-from-peterson-hearing.html
Not sure if this is the M.R. no charges are listed, I’m assuming it is
ROBINSON MICHAEL 1 27 10 900 04F 000340 Motions
Hmm. That could mean a lot of things. Or maybe what I’m thinking it means.
~snipped from story above~
“I wish Drew would hit me so I could get out,” she told her aunt Candace Aikin in early October 2007. “I feel stuck.”
Does this mean that Drew had not ever hit Stacy?
I thought I had remembered a story from someone (Cass?) that he had thrown her across the room. I’m looking for it now.
That statement comes from Cassandra. She said she saw Drew throw Stacy across the room.
Thanks, Rescue. I was looking on acandyrose.com but wasn’t sure what keywords I should be looking for.
Neil My prayers definitely go out to you bro. God’s got this.
You’re welcome, Noway.
Here’s what I’ve found about that:
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/stacy.peterson.drew.2.698407.html
Yea Noway that is true and it came from Cass.
Rescue, I’m sure I can get Drew pissed really quick lol. I know I have been.
KING: Did you ever get physical with Stacy?
PETERSON: Never. I’m a police officer and I don’t work for the phone company or the power company and as a police officer, we don’t have the same abilities to do things as the common person. If I get involved in a domestic situation where I’m physical with a wife, I’ll lose my job and I would never even come close to risking that.
November 16, 2007 : But in the first interview granted by one of his ex-wives since Stacy’s disappearance, Vicki Connolly, 48, said Thursday that during their marriage an increasingly controlling Peterson told her he could kill her and make it look like an accident. While she couldn’t believe he would ever do it, something prompted her to confide in Bolingbrook police officers who she considered friends. “So they would know he said these things to me,” she said.
She said Peterson would hit her but not hard enough to go to the hospital, and not often enough for her to expect it. It made it worse, she said, that she never knew it was coming. “It was mind games; it was head games,” she said.
Apr 12, 2008 Cassandra Cales accepted that challenge today. “I have seen him, personally, throw my sister across the room,” she said. And Cales says just last week the former police sergeant unleashed a profanity-laced tirade against her after she spoke with Stacy’s young son outside the home. “He was red and he was screaming,” Cales said. “If that’s not mad, I don’t know what is.”
Testimony of Stacy’s aunt: Stacy also began confiding things about Drew Peterson’s temperament and troubling behavior, including a story in which she accused Drew of stealing Savio’s garage door opener to go to her house to swipe her wedding ring shortly before she was found dead in her bathtub in March 2004.
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07/18/2002 Bolingbrook Police Incident Report filed by Kathleen Savio of July 5, 2002 “Criminal Trespassing,” “Unlawful Restraint” “Domestic Battery” filed against Drew Peterson (Transcribed by http://www.acandyrose.com)
“Kathleen advised that she again told him to go, he said that he would go when he wanted and then he looked out the window. He thew one of her garage door openers down and he left the residence. She then called her attorney Harris Smith, her friend Steve Maniaci, her sister Susie Lizak and her neighbor Mary Ponterilli. She advised that her attorney advised her to file a report but she was afraid to file because she believed Drew was unstable and had warned her that if she called anyone he would deny it. During the time of the incident Kathleen advised that three times the telephone rang but Drew would not allow her to answer it. Those calls she later learned were from her sister Susan Lizak, the next door neighbor child, 12-year-old Nicki and her friend Steve Maniaci.”
“Kathleen also mentioned a previously unreported incident where Drew cut a hole in the drywall in the garage to gain entry into the family room. Also, a time where he was living in the basement and while she was gone cut a hole in her bedroom door to gain entry and removed jewelry and money. I observed the drywall and door. She advised that Drew later gave her back the pair of earrings when he came to the house with another unidentified police officer to have her sign a legal document, at which time he returned the earrings to her. She advised that she did not file police reports on either of these incidents but did advise her attorney. She also mentioned that she had given Drew’s tuxedo to her neighbor, Tom, to hold for her and that Drew had threatened Tom with a search warrant if he did not return his tuxedo, at which time Tom gave Drew the tuxedo back.”
“Later this date I spoke with Mary A. Pontarelli (BLACKED OUT AREA) She advised the following summary. (BLACKED OUT AREA)”
Peterson pastor might not testify
January 26, 2010
By JOE HOSEY jhosey@stmedianetwork.com
JOLIET — Stacy Peterson’s preacher went on national TV more than two years ago and told how the missing woman confided in him about Drew Peterson murdering Kathleen Savio, but he might not get to repeat his story in a Joliet courtroom.
Neil Schori, the pastor of Naperville Christian Church, was called Tuesday into an ongoing hearing being conducted to determine what hearsay evidence will be allowed at Drew Peterson’s murder trial Tuesday,
But arguments over whether his conversations with the accused wife killer and missing mom Stacy are privileged kept him from testifying.
Judge Stephen White closed the courtroom and heard what Schori had to say about his interaction with Drew and Stacy Peterson. Schori will return to the witness stand Wednesday but it is not known if he will testify in open court.
Drew Peterson’s attorneys questioned whether Schori would be violating his privilege as a clergyman if he repeated what Stacy and Drew Peterson told him while he was providing counseling. The couple went to Schori to try to save their failing marriage.
Schori was a minister at Westbrook Christian Church in Bolingbrook when Stacy supposedly told him that her husband, Drew Peterson, came clean about killing Savio. Schori said Stacy blurted out the shocking accusation in August 2007. She disappeared about two months later.
Peterson shook his head in apparent disbelief Tuesday when Schori testified that the Westbrook church had no rules dictating that a clergyman’s counseling sessions be kept confidential.
Schori spoke about Stacy’s alleged comments onGreta Van Susteren’s Fox News Network program in late 2007.
Peterson is charged with murdering Savio, who was his third wife and turned up drowned in a dry bathtub in March 2004. Prosecutors are trying to prove he killed Stacy, his fourth wife, to prevent her from testifying against him.
Stacy vanished in October 2007. Peterson maintains she ran off with another man, but state police believe Peterson killed her.
Killing comments
With Schori’s testimony was put on hold, Stacy’s aunt Candace Aikin spoke at Tuesday’s hearing. She recalled how Drew once told her how he was “able to kill someone and make it look like an accident.”
He said this in front of Stacy, Aikin said, and his young wife shot back, “Not this chickie.”
A friend of Aikin’s was present for this exchange; Donna Badalamenti testified to hearing essentially the same conversation.
Badalamenti also said Peterson told her soon after marrying Stacy, “This marriage better work out or I’ll kill myself.”
Badalamenti remembered telling Peterson, “Don’t do that,” to which he replied, “Then I’ll just kill her.”
Andrew Abood, one of Peterson’s attorneys, likened this to “kind of a ‘Romeo and Juliet’ thing.”
“If I can’t have you, I’ll kill myself,” Abood said. “It’s kind of a romantic thing.”
Badalamenti went on to tell how Peterson showed off a set of lock picks he was carrying and bragged that he had another set and still one more on order.
“He said he used them with his work,” said Badalamenti, who noted that when Peterson spoke of killing Stacy, “he kind of laughed, but it was a chilling laugh.”
“If I can’t have you, I’ll kill myself,” Abood said. “It’s kind of a romantic thing.”
Romantic? Sort of like “nothing says ‘I love you’ like a Glock?”
Rather dramatic than romantic, I would say. Has Abood ever read ‘Romeo and Juliet’? ;). I would rather compare it with Hamlet’s “to be or not to be” (for Drew Peterson).
I was frustrated by:
“In order to have hearsay evidence admitted under a new state law, prosecutors are trying to convince the judge that Peterson caused Savio’s death or Stacy’s disappearance.
– Stacy St. Clair, staff”
Maybe I’m wrong, but this isn’t quite right and adds to the confusion. I had pedantic pants on yesterday. 😉
we early birds can’t wait the next day,right, bucket? 😉
God has been with Neil Shori since the very beginning and will be with him today as well. I keep my fingers crossed for him and other witnesses asked in for today.
LOL! Wake up, Chicago! Cyrhla and I are ready
Go Neil!!!
I have such admiration for Aunt Candace and Sharon, too. Faithful Sharon, tortured and taunted by the killer but never gave up, and Aunt Candace who walked a tightrope, trying to keep channels open with Drew for the sake of Stacy and the children. Stacy has a lot of heroes on her side. Hurrah!
I’ve got to wonder what Drew said to Neil. I hadn’t even thought of that before. I wonder if alone in conversation Drew told him all about how unstable and premenstrual she was, blah blah blah
Just thought I’d share another reaction…did anyone else want to slap Collins’ laughing face?
Yes, I do.:)
I am happy you have also noticed his arrogance in front of the cameras. Same sort as cocky as Drew to me!
I hope Rescue and Facs won’t ban me… ;). I hope you’ll defend in case, bucket:).
The first (very personal) feeling I had after learning that Collins had already retired and had been trying to contact Ric Mims was “Was he the one Drew had to make a call after learning Kathleen would be exhumed?” (Drew said to a journalist he had to make a bunch of calls) and if so, did he submit his resignation as soon he learnt about it (as Drew did).
Seriously, if you think this post is not OK, delete it, please:).
Me, too. Not investigating at all is a “mis-step”?????
New thread – Hearsay hearings – Day 6
https://petersonstory.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/drew-peterson-hearsay-hearings-day-6/